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Incompetence in handling the immigration crisis. As if by indifference and looking the other way, the problem will disappear. And that of addressing the symptoms rather than the root cause of the disease through raids, harassment, and arrests. Or via enforcement-only approach. I mean, enforcing something that's broken, and expecting to achieve what? I know, just to reemphasize the breakage! By threatening immigration practitioners of laborcert audits, then when the other party rose up to the challenge - oops! just settle. By chalking up regs upon regs to overcome the judicial challenge of the no-match/safe harbor rule, with effective date in January 2009, while it's primary basis, E-verify, will expire two months thereafter - oops! again settle! And because of the rule of law, due process, and equal protection doctrines, the "arrestees" seek for redress from the impartial and non-biased arbiters - the judiciary. An unending string of immigration-related cases that unnecessarily clog their already strained dockets. There is where the incompetence lies that I was referring to. Don't try to spin and twist it once again.
"The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life." (Justice Holmes on 3 Cor 3:6)
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Searching for root causes? The only breakage are those that choose to violate the laws. If your friends obeyed our laws to begin with there would be no immigration problem. Lines would be short and order would exist. You blame the courts and USCIS for the long lines of violators? Lets dig a little deeper, shall we. Why is the illegal here? Is it because we allowed it? No, not really. Our laws should not require a cop on every corner implementation to secure enforcement. There should be a self imposed respect for law and order which is missing from those who violate it. The intent of the law is for the benefit of those willing to obey. The sword for those that don't. We need more swords.
The moment you capitulate to lawlessness you've lost your civility.
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| Posts: 8971 | Location: San Diego, or near by. | Registered: 06-08-2007 | |
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Oh no, it cannot be the law, never! Really? Well....
Of course it's the law!!!
Jesus Christ, that's the problem and has always been the problem! Current law incites fraud, promotes disparities, and seems to come straight out of some sci-fi world that only politicians could make up.
INA is not designed to protect marriage, it destroys it, the strain placed upon the institution is simply too great most of the times. Now, changing the law is not the way to go because people still refuse to acknowledge that reality, and instead try to manipulate the legal channels and get set on personal vendettas like they're the God Father. Aliens use VAWA, USCs use the "removal of conditions" and the "inadmissible at entry" clause.
Both USCs and aliens are victims of the very same law. A law that couldn't care less about marriage and the dignity of the spouses and the welfare of the children, but it's designed to please certain special interest groups. That's the story, and while sad it's a reality that must be dealt with.
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Oh, ok, foreign nationals should self-regulate. They should be responsible enough not to sneak into the "closed" border. They should not overstay beyond their visas. They should not commit document fraud. After all, the government "hates" these acts. And in response, we conduct workplace raids here and there, we put up checkpoints here and there, we make early morning home break-ins here and there. Then come immigrant advocates and lawyers to the rescue. Then the courts intervene. Then "sneakers" and "overstays" do their thing at the other end of the spectrum. Then again raids and arrests. Then lawsuits once again. But remember, at least, the government hates these "irresponsibles." That's the main thing, that's performance. Then we say, enough is enough of this silly cycle!
"The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life." (Justice Holmes on 3 Cor 3:6)
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And is where opinions diverge. One says send them packing, the other GCs for all. Anyone from anywhere is aware of civility. They are aware of common decency and the requirement of rules to follow. If there is a clear pattern of defiance so simple and clear what can be expected when confronted with other forks in the road where the choice between right and wrong are met? Should we expect a similar clogging of criminal courts? Will that be met with a plea for leniency and criticism of yet another system of justice?
The moment you capitulate to lawlessness you've lost your civility.
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| Posts: 8971 | Location: San Diego, or near by. | Registered: 06-08-2007 | |
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No, no and no! November 4th was the most resounding response!
"The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life." (Justice Holmes on 3 Cor 3:6)
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I am black man in America. I have learned to tread lightly because the "Long arm of the law" has always been ready to "Get me". It has not been "The Law" that I have been concerned with, but the enforcement of those laws. I have always been aware that the law enforcement establishment is very biased in it's decisions. But the idea that "illegal immigrants" can openly be above the law just chaffs.
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Illegal immigrants are above the law? I don't think so. I'd rather look at it that the existing law is already "beneath" the requirements of the current illegal immigration problem.
"The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life." (Justice Holmes on 3 Cor 3:6)
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No No No? Foreigners are not aware of civility? Is it now our responsibility to teach them right from wrong? Should this be taken as an admission to an innate character flaw? A justification to excuse. Are we to classify it as a disability? How far down the evolution chain do you place them? This comes across very discriminatory. Reminiscent of the GEICO/caveman commercials.
The moment you capitulate to lawlessness you've lost your civility.
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| Posts: 8971 | Location: San Diego, or near by. | Registered: 06-08-2007 | |
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Such mentality didn't and won't work! How many times do you have to be told to accept this? People from everywhere have come, are still coming, and will continue to come. This is a fact of life in this country since time immemorial, and will continue to be so for a long, long time. Instead of trying to "change" that fact, which is unchangeable, we have to change how we "react" by streamlining or rationalizing our regulations in cadence with the changing demands. Don't worry, that's what the new administration will do.
"The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life." (Justice Holmes on 3 Cor 3:6)
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In other words tear down the borders since the hordes have no respect for the law. That way no law is broken and their status is cleansed. How many other barriers buttressed by the rule of law should be torn down? The right to your domicile to not be broken into? How about the right to life? Where does it end? The only fact I see trying to be changed is culpability.
The moment you capitulate to lawlessness you've lost your civility.
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| Posts: 8971 | Location: San Diego, or near by. | Registered: 06-08-2007 | |
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I was gonna post this in the Immigration article thread but since it's turned to an illegal immigration discussion on here, here it is: Both lose in aborted immigrant-citizen home sale Brumback, Associated Press Writer – Sun Nov 16, 12:30 pm ET ROSWELL, Ga. – Like all illegal immigrants, Lorenzo Jimenez knew the knock on the door from immigration agents could come at any time. Still, he had enough faith in the American dream to buy a house in this Atlanta suburb, even though signing the papers meant raising the risk: He put his 2-year-old, American-born daughter's name and Social Security number on the title. And it worked, for a while. Jimenez and his family lived happily enough for several years alongside "regular" citizens. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081116/ap_on_re_us/a_house...39xGjYBI8QmXhzhvzwcFAn example of when things go badly wrong on both side? Aside the fact she seems like an evil bia-tch!
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move - Douglas Adams
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Another home foreclosed on which helped sink the value of the 'regular citizen's' home. I'm sure the neighbors didn't mind losing another 10-20k in value. Another broken border. Finance laws that require the borrower to use their own information. We can't have that. Its too discriminatory. It impedes their ability to pursue normalcy. What other excuses can we conger up? Honesty is too great an expectation. I get it now.
The moment you capitulate to lawlessness you've lost your civility.
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| Posts: 8971 | Location: San Diego, or near by. | Registered: 06-08-2007 | |
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quote: Another home foreclosed on which helped sink the value of the 'regular citizen's' home. I'm sure the neighbors didn't mind losing another 10-20k in value.
Typical davdah, it's all about money again! 
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move - Douglas Adams
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NOTE: IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT $$$$$$! WHETHER THE INDIVIDUAL WANTS IT TO BE OR NOT!!!! NO CHOICE!!!!
USC and Legal, Honest Immigrant Alike Must Fight Against Those That Deceive and Disrupt A Place Of Desirability! All Are Victims of Fraud, Both USC and Honest Immigrant Alike! The bad can and does make it more difficult for the good! Be careful who you blame!!!
kami ay nanonood!!!
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Robin, welcome to ILW I am sorry to hear of your story...but I think it would be best that you remove your phone numbers. It is best for people to private message you and have contact that way..you really shouldn't publish your numbers on a forum. All the best ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God Bless America - God Bless Immigrants - God Bless Poor Misguided Souls Too  National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1.800.799.SAFE (7233) 1.800.787.3224 (TTY) Anonymous & Confidential Help 24/7 |
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quote: Originally posted by robinhorton1962:
Please contact me via phone. I also feel that others are watching this forum and could use the strategies against us. My name is Robin and I could use the help. I will call back my number is or my cell is . I had to leave my home and am just settling in to an apartment. My children are hanging in. My adult daughter whom my husband sexually assaulted while she was sleeping in her own bed will hopefully see her justice soon. The DA has assured me they are going to make it a felony 2 charge and ask for max bond to be posted. My fear of him abducting our son who is 6 and chronically sick is a horror I havent the words to explain. Last week, I wrote a letter to the Federal U.S. Attorney General here in Harrisburg, PA, he called me back and said if ICE hands it to him he WILL prosecute and passed all my information onto FBI (which I had already done), ICE (which I have done), and my local police department (which I had done). My local DA is trying to get DATELINE NBC producer to interview me. Recently Dateline did a story on some big case here in York, PA. Sad the DA is on my side but the civil side of the law who gave my ex husband (yes I signed divorce to get on with life and fight for justice for my children and others too) unsupervised visitations after he took the 5th amendment on his name and date of birth. Please contact me I could use some support. I will pay for the call. Call collect. I don't know your situation but I pray for all who have experienced the pain and suffering of another's actions to defraud innocent people in the pursuit of green card and citizenship.
Sorry To Hear Of Your dilemma. This Is Not The Way, Posting This On a Public Forum. Private Message Someone Here. Delete This Post and Try Private messaging. Many Here Are Similar.
USC and Legal, Honest Immigrant Alike Must Fight Against Those That Deceive and Disrupt A Place Of Desirability! All Are Victims of Fraud, Both USC and Honest Immigrant Alike! The bad can and does make it more difficult for the good! Be careful who you blame!!!
kami ay nanonood!!!
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I wish I knew how to take off my phone number but I don't know how to PM or what it is or where people here PM. I am not computer literate and I am so tired with moving and my son currently sick, and that means every 3 hours I will be giving him breathing treatments 24/7. If anyone can help teach me how to get thru the site I would greatly appreciate it. Robin
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