It's pretty scary facing the truth and realizing that these kind of women are criminals and of the same cloth as murderers, only worse, as they have no sense of guilt, right and wrong, and can feel good about what they are doing even though it hurts so many people day after day after day. I am not sure if there is an overall answer but it is time that our court system addresses it and not be the means for perpetuating it.
It appears someone(s) from this group is upset about my posting my Belarusian/Russian Nightmare here, as I have recieved an email from them that includes the following (( External Board Disruptions April 30, 2007, 12:58:43 PM by Admin This message is to describe the steps taken to address board disruptions which have occurred the past couple of weeks.
Before I outline those details, I first want to acknowledge the many members of RWD who have been offended by the actions of a few. There are clearly some people who have joined RWD, but who do not share our enthusiasm and interests in the pursuit of a life-partner from a foreign country. That they have had a negative impact on our members and board is very unfortunate, and we are taking immediate steps to address the problem. To those RWD members who were deeply offended and hurt in the past few weeks, you have my sincere apology for the injuries suffered.)))
I have not made any posting to that web site and to my knowledge do not belong to the site, but I suspect that there are those here who do and are not happy about my and others experience with these women who apparently are "Their Businesses".
I have never lied and have done nothing but bared my soul here during the worst time and experience of my life. Nothing I have said was anything but my opinion based on my personal and first hand experience and I think those who know, know I have been telling the truth about these woman and probably the majority of women..at least half anyway and 80% of the Russian women I know. I wish I was wrong, being right about these women being cold blooded gold diggers means the destruction of everything I worked for, hoped and dreamed.
Moreover, I suggest that any man considering finding a wife amongst these women get a "Prenupual Agreement" and make sure it is accepted by the court. These women consider their ***, their bodies and presense in your life to be worth more than your ***, your bodies and presense in their lives and if you don't give them the lives they want and they think they can do better, they will gut you...as mine has gutted me. Not all of them...surely, not all of them. Moreover, there must be some attractive good women here amongst our own, I just never met any that weren't attached.
As for whomever amongst this group that was part of my recieving that email/newletter. Nothing I have shared here was anything but the truth from my experience. I almost hung myself because this truth about my lovely Belarusian Wife was almost more than I could bare. Then I realized the truth about this woman and those around here, and then I spent months thinking about the other women in my life. They Eat Their Mates...if that is not the truth, then one of you men set me straight, because it is a horrible reality to face and would like to be wrong. I would like my wife to call crying and saying she is sorry for all the bad she did...hell, I would forgive her..love isck fool that I am, but I am not wrong and such women are not worth laying down and dying for.
Read back over what I have said over the past months. Nothing I have said is anything but the truth.
Originally posted by MajKarma: Read back over what I have said over the past months. Nothing I have said is anything but the truth.
The truth is very subjectiv
“To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is trueâ€
I know what the truth is and so do most people. You can quote the Bible or the Devil for all I care, but that will not change the facts as I have shared here.
However, we are all adults here and everyoe is welcome to find out for themselves and come up with their own truth.
I will say this, 28 days before my wife drugged me and left in the middle of the night she was telling INS that she was happy, her son was here and loving it and that we were on our way to building a life together. Do you think INS would say she was lying then or lying now?
We live in a time when some people really don't know what is right and wrong, what the truth is and what are lies... I suspect you are one of them. I would love to hear from a man here who is happily married to a Russian Woman for 5 years and doesn't feel like he is on a treadmill keeping her happy and doesn't have any fear that she would dump him if their finances got tough. Please, would some one out there please tell me I am wrong based on first hand experience!!!! All I get is women saying "We aren't all that way" or some "Pimp Type" who is making a living promoting these women. As God Is Mt Witness, I would be very happy to be wrong about my conclusions.
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This is going to be my last posting here. I never intended to be or become a whinning, crying, bitter, dumped middle aged male spewing my hurt and misery upon innocent passers by.
I have to believe love and true commitment between a man and woman exists. That us men who so seriously want mates to love and be loved by can find the womens of our dreams. I thought I have found mine and let the relationship seep into my soul. I truly thought what I gave and offered and tried to show and share every day was valued and that when she said she loved me and would stick with me thick or thin, that it was true.
I want to beleive I am wrong, that I am to blame or what happened...it's easier and frankly, in my heart I want to think my wife is the wonderful woman in invision her as and that I am the bad guy...it's easier. I want to believe that she went with her son and lived with that man in Dana Point and was miserable, that her niece that sponsored her tourist Visa and is no divorcing her husband and sharing a place with the other russian divorcee are all rying to have a normal family life and are not out partying asI am being told. I want to believe all the other things I am hearing are lies and that I am the one who is screwed up...there is no doubt about it, I am screwed up, lost and pretty much don't know what life or the future is about.. I thought it was about the relationship and life I was build with this woman...sorry, I must have been wrong and if I was wrong about that, I am probably wrong about other things.
I apologize for any undue distress I have caused anyone.
I didn’t quote the Bible, it was Aristotle, a Greek philosopher. I didn’t meant to hurt you feelings and I didn’t say you were a liar, I just said the truth is subjective and that statement itself is not wrong. What is the truth? The truth is, your (or my) point of view on a certain subject to a certain time at a certain place. Since this point of view can change, truth is not objective and not universal.
My country of origin is close to Russia, so I can tell you, that my opinion about Russian women is not the highest one. This is very generally spoken, I guess there are some exemptions. I am sorry how you were treated, but you are not the only one, there are thousands of people who were mistreated by their spouses. I think a big problem with theses mixed marriages is the difference in the culture: what is considered normal in one culture is absolutely inappropriate in an other one. I think you had one of those extreme ones, but let me give you an example: Italian people are from nature loud, full of emotions and express them in any way, if they are happy or angry, they carry on, yell, and are very dramatic, but that is how they are and no Italian thinks anything about it. If you would mix such an Italian with an American there would be some problems. Do you understand what I mean? I don’t say what you ex-wife did was right, because it wasn’t, but I also think part of it is just her culture. Just learn you lesson and never marry an other Russian woman. And yes, I think you are whining, how long ago was that now? A year? Well, she broke your heart, torn your life apart and who knows what, but guess what, it will hurt for the rest of your life. Obviously what this woman did to you, will never heal, and changed who you are. But you miss out on the rest of you life if you carry on like that. Yes it was wrong what she did, and yes it hurts, but if you don’t start going on, she will have the power over you for the rest of your life, do you want that?
Again, I don’t meant to hurt you in any way, I am sympathetic towards your situation, but I read your postings, you need to stop whining and start living again, she already took parts of your life, don’t hand her the rest of it, because then she really won. Best wishes for you.
I really have said all I have to say, but there is something which I want say somewhere, somewhere it will be heard and maybe not altogether lost, about Aksana and my marriage to Aksana.
I am no frog; am well educated a BA and MBA), a tall, green eyed blond..an ex marine and horseman and have always been told I was good looking. Attracting women was never a problem but I never found what I really wanted..I always settled for the best I could find and adapted and then I saw Aksana.. God help, I feel in love with her from the beginning, and when i met her, even though she spoke no english, I heard and understood her like no woman before. I loved her more every day..even her bad and selfish side made me want to pamper her...she wanted so much and I wanted to give it to her. What the hell is life about for a man except a woman like this? A Woman that makes you want to do and strive and climb and make her happy.. I never looked at another woman after she came into my life.
So, go ahead and make jokes...quote me some Greek or some old country western song. I can't tunr on her..there is no way I can doing anything to harm her or rob her of her dreams, but I don't know how I am going to live without her.
Originally posted by MajKarma: I really have said all I have to say, but there is something which I want say somewhere, somewhere it will be heard and maybe not altogether lost, about Aksana and my marriage to Aksana.
I am no frog; am well educated a BA and MBA), a tall, green eyed blond..an ex marine and horseman and have always been told I was good looking. Attracting women was never a problem but I never found what I really wanted..I always settled for the best I could find and adapted and then I saw Aksana.. God help, I feel in love with her from the beginning, and when i met her, even though she spoke no english, I heard and understood her like no woman before. I loved her more every day..even her bad and selfish side made me want to pamper her...she wanted so much and I wanted to give it to her. What the hell is life about for a man except a woman like this? A Woman that makes you want to do and strive and climb and make her happy.. I never looked at another woman after she came into my life.
So, go ahead and make jokes...quote me some Greek or some old country western song. I can't tunr on her..there is no way I can doing anything to harm her or rob her of her dreams, but I don't know how I am going to live without her.
Do you a favor and just don't say anything.
MajKarma, I wish you luck, but take a word of advice or two. Do not generalize anything about women whether from a country a region or as a whole. You may be smart intellectually, but I don't believe you understood what marriage is meant to be. Yes, it is supposed to last forever, but I think you, and her, went into this marriage with false expectations. I am not stating it is her fault entirely nor yours nor both; there is just not enough info to make that determination. However, I really do think you should get counseling. The breakup has definitely damaged you emotionally and this needs to be resolved.
Again, good luck to you.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
I have met two seperate attoneys and an officer with BCIS or whatever it is called now. In each case they told me these "Sweetheart Marriages" are very common, that over 60% of these marriages end in divorce sought by the immigrant. That of these, half don't make it through the Green Card Process with the Immigant Spouse Claiming Spousal Abuse. However, none of this is what I based my opinion on. My opinion was based on my experience and the experience of men I personally know who are also married or in the process of a divorce with their Russian/Belarusian wives. However, I have spoken to some Russian men who have told me that in their country Marrying an American is a topic amongst their women, who educate and coach each other on how to find, marry and dumb their husbands...that is heresay but I beleive it, as I am watching it take place in my marriage/divorce and that of another American. I was also told by both of these attorneys that there was no question but that the court would grant me an annulment based on her timing after the Green Card Conditons being removed and her behavior/actions when and after she left. However, I am a not mean or vendictive person...if this is what will make her hopes and dreams come true, I am going to try to find a way to live with it.
As for your comment about my not knowing what marriage is supposed to be about; if I had done this to her, there would be women coming out of the woodworks saying what a no good ******* I am. We live in a time when marriage and marriage vows mean nothing. That getting a divorce does not require counseling or any kind of healing effort made. We live in a throw away society..immoral, shiftless, ruthless and down right evil. My wife has left me because she thinks she can get a rich husband like her girlfriends have...she wants to party and have fun... that is very American, isn't it.
Whatever the case, I am very sure about what I think. It's easy to figure out what is right and wrong, all you have to do is consider if everything were reverse. If I had come from Belarus, married an American Woman who brought my son here, helped me through learning English, learning to drive, establishing credit, etc etc etc and then 28 days after I got my Green Card Conditions removed, drugged my wife, gutted our checking account, took our only car and left no word or returned any phone calls except a Birthday Card saying "Good Luck... I wonder how many women's group etc would be out there helping her string me up.
Don't tell me about Generalizations Mister Hudson. Cripes, we made love the night she left..she initiated it. Is using the term "Colded Blooded Mercenary" too strong?
Please, spare me your comments. I am forced to swim in this sewage but I don't have to like it, and I sure as hell am not in the mood for a lesson in what marriage is about..I remember my marriage vows and meant them..even now.
I guess this forum is doing me some good. at least I am not crying.
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GREEN CARD GIRLS (GCGs) (by Maxx and Elena Garrett)
Recently we published "Classification of Scammers" article on this web site. The Green Card Girl (also called The Green Card Hunter, or The Green Card Scammer) was mentioned there briefly. However, the problem of CGCs is of much bigger concern to us than the problem of the usual visa and tickets scammers we all know about. Read on and you will know why.
How they operate
Here is the usual plan:
Find an American (any American will do, but the richer the better of course).
Get married as soon as possible
Get access to his bank accounts, credit cards, etc. Start moving family finances under control.
Build a network of other Russian immigrants in the area. Tell them tales of abuse, neglect and sufferings (they will serve as witnesses later on)
Start looking for a boyfriend to taste (optional)
Once change of status petition is filed, move into action:
Stage a "confrontation" incident (may include a 911 call; some self-inflicted scratches and bruises; staged "confrontation" scene completed with overturned furniture and broken things)
Get police on the scene
Get the husband arrested
Get any "evidence" of abuse documented (scratches and bruises photographed)
Before he gets out of jail, get to a women's shelter
Tell everyone stories of life threats, abuse, intimidation, fear of calling police, etc.
Enlist the shelter's help in getting a protective warrant against the husband.
After the police report is filed, file a petition with INS to continue with the greencard paperwork to receive American residency without the husband's involvement.
Once that petition is approved, start collecting welfare from the state
Using the Affidavit of Support the husband filed prior to marriage, ask for maintenance during the domestic violence trial and later during divorce proceedings
Problems the victims of GCGs create for all of us:
These newly arrived immigrants are getting welfare or social service benefits at the taxpayers' expense. To get these they need only to make the claim of abuse to the INS (USCIS). They then receive these benefits while their application forms (I-360) are being processed. This can take many months. They get United States Citizenship at an accelerated rate. The fraud they commit, which is a Federal felony, is rewarded at a faster rate than those immigrants who adhere to the law. The INS' system of accepting the "evidence" of abuse only from the petitioner as well as their lack of a system to receive "the other side of the story" from the accused plus there being no hearing with either party seems to indicate their wish to wink these cases through... Why? Possibly to avoid a time consuming and costly appeal process through the Executive Office of Immigration Review (EOIR), the immigration courts. American woman are now being targeted with marriage fraud and with it, it's false abuse charges. The INS is gender neutral about this and grants foreign men Legal Permanent Residency (LPR) status or a "Green Card" and eventual US citizenship because these men claim that their American wives abused and beat them. Many INS personnel are sympathetic to American men and women caught in these situations but are powerless to help them. As of 1996 all spousal abuse petitions are handled by the Vermont Service Center. The local INS service centers that are in the position to hear both sides of the case and receive evidence from both the accuser and the accused are kept out of the process by the V.S.C. and directives from Arlington, Virginia. Under directives they are required to send the permanent files of the petitioner to the V.S.C. This effectively ends their involvement with the petitioner in regard to these abuse claims. By INS directives the accused is NOT permitted to find out what claims the petitioner has made against him. Nor is he permitted to be a witness at her trial if she has one. The accused is given no opportunity to defend himself against her charges to the INS. The accused, a United States citizen is labeled "The Abuser" by the immigrant spouse in her or his INS petition and this is put into Federal files and INS computers permanently .
American men who became victims of this scam has no place to voice their complaints and no law to protect them. They suffer severe emotional and financial damages trying to defend themselves against false accusations.
So, if you or anyone you know is planning a marriage to a lady or a man from another country (not just FSU by any means), please keep this information in mind. I hope shortly I will also be able to publish more info on the typical GC hunters and how to identify them.
I have read this over and over on many different internet sites. I don't believe all foreign women coming to this country are scammers, nor do I believe all illegal immigrants are criminals. But it takes one bad potato to spoil the bunch. I believe at least 50% of the Russion and Fillipino women coming over are scam artists - so my dear American men, please beware.
It disappoints me that you either did not read or didn't understand that my opinion about these Russian women was not a maybe. I have been calling around to the men I met at different parties who I knew were married to Russian. The number of divorces is no longe 8...it's 17... 17 women who married Americans and filed for divorce soon after getting their Green Cards, in which case they filed spousal abuse charges or after they gor there Perm Green Card and in those cases no Spousal Abuse charge(s) were filed ..probably because they can get what is gettable without trumping up charges at that point.
Yes, I am living, it does not mean I am not still hurting and wishing it was all a bad dreram and thatr I could go home and find her there. It is also true I will not be able to replace it.. I have known many women and she was so very rare.. I am lucky if I see even one woman I personally find attractive in a week.. I am so very particualr.
Whatever the case, I am trying to live but nothing...Nothing I am doing now has changed anything I have said or believe. I still believe there is something very dark in ALL WOMEN...that you women are capable of things most of us men can not do. Don't get me wrong, I see examples of women fighting this evilness, women who choose to not embrace it, but it is there and I am not kidding. It explain so much and why I know men who I always suspected hated women. I do not hate women, but I will never love or trust one as I did again. In fact, if I come out of this and I do mean IF, I will make a point of remembering and never letting myself truly trust and love a woman again..it is just not worth it and I do believe women's love can be bought. I am sorry, I have no examples to the contrary...even my own mother was one of them.. you women have it in you to betray and justify anything and again, I am sure about everything I said in that forum more than ever. Name of the game is MAKE THE MONEY...because women have mercenary hearts.
Okay - now I'm through posting responses. I've heard enough about dark women, hating women and know when to bow out gracefully. As always, I wish you luck and hope you can get around this obstacle.
I got you all beat ! When my scammer got her conditional green card, her boyfriend rigged the natural gas heating system to blow up the house while I was asleep !! Fortunately, it just caused a fire and the insurance company paid for a brand new heating system !!! Counseling will not help men like us. I got my "revenge" or "justice". It helped a little but not completely. People like us have become traumatized for life. You never get over it but you learn to move on and bury the pain deep inside.
Impeach Obama ! ............................... SOM - THE VOICE OF REASON
Originally posted by ProudUSC: Okay - now I'm through posting responses. I've heard enough about dark women, hating women and know when to bow out gracefully. As always, I wish you luck and hope you can get around this obstacle.
ProudUSC, Here is a thought. Perhaps SonofMichael and MajKarma should shackle together, go to Connecticut or Massachusetts to perfrom a civil union and live "happily ever after"
Then when that does not work out and they blame each other, we could all take bets and see who they will blame next. Perhaps the ***** Godmother.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
Originally posted by MajKarma: It disappoints me that you either did not read or didn't understand that my opinion about these Russian women was not a maybe. I have been calling around to the men I met at different parties who I knew were married to Russian. The number of divorces is no longe 8...it's 17... 17 women who married Americans and filed for divorce soon after getting their Green Cards, in which case they filed spousal abuse charges or after they gor there Perm Green Card and in those cases no Spousal Abuse charge(s) were filed ..probably because they can get what is gettable without trumping up charges at that point.
Yes, I am living, it does not mean I am not still hurting and wishing it was all a bad dreram and thatr I could go home and find her there. It is also true I will not be able to replace it.. I have known many women and she was so very rare.. I am lucky if I see even one woman I personally find attractive in a week.. I am so very particualr.
Whatever the case, I am trying to live but nothing...Nothing I am doing now has changed anything I have said or believe. I still believe there is something very dark in ALL WOMEN...that you women are capable of things most of us men can not do. Don't get me wrong, I see examples of women fighting this evilness, women who choose to not embrace it, but it is there and I am not kidding. It explain so much and why I know men who I always suspected hated women. I do not hate women, but I will never love or trust one as I did again. In fact, if I come out of this and I do mean IF, I will make a point of remembering and never letting myself truly trust and love a woman again..it is just not worth it and I do believe women's love can be bought. I am sorry, I have no examples to the contrary...even my own mother was one of them.. you women have it in you to betray and justify anything and again, I am sure about everything I said in that forum more than ever. Name of the game is MAKE THE MONEY...because women have mercenary hearts.
This is the biggest BS I have ever heard.
So, you became a statistic in thw world of divorce. Congratulations. Personally, I think blaming someone else is a way for to justify how you feel, no matter how wrong it is. Like I said, perhaps SonofMichael will be your perfect lover for you and just knock yourself out. But when the two of you split, you will not have the "women" to blame.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
Originally posted by ProudUSC: Okay - now I'm through posting responses. I've heard enough about dark women, hating women and know when to bow out gracefully. As always, I wish you luck and hope you can get around this obstacle.
ProudUSC, Here is a thought. Perhaps SonofMichael and MajKarma should shackle together, go to Connecticut or Massachusetts to perfrom a civil union and live "happily ever after"
Then when that does not work out and they blame each other, we could all take bets and see who they will blame next. Perhaps the ***** Godmother.
I really don't know what to say. I just don't think all women are dark, money hungry, men haters as MajKarma and Sonof imply. I'm sorry they were both scammed by immigrants, but as you say, divorce is not uncommon. They need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and move on. Generalization is not typically a good thing. I believe USC men (and women) should be very cautious when entering into these green card marriages. I know many people where the relationship worked out - others, it didn't. I'm pretty intuitive and believe I would know if I was being scammed. But, both of them were blinded by love and couldn't see through it.
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