Here's one for the bigots

Truth or Consequences

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You support slavery?

Nearly 1000 child labor violations. Wages at half what they should be.

There isn't anything bigoted about supporting the law of the land and not supporting criminals. Regardless the origin of those criminals. It is treasonous and un_American to support those that undermine our economy.

The town will improve once the wages are restored to the standard they should be and children are in school instead of working the assembly line.

Talking about slavery.... Slavery was the law of the land, so there was nothing wrong in supporting it I guess.

How absurd.

I support legal immigration and the law. However, there needs to be an actual plan implemented that addresses and solves this massive and growing problem.

Don't you agree?

I agree that the government and citizenry need to support the current laws on the books. They are there for a reason. The extreme disobedience of those laws is what created this mess.

Lowering the legal bar is not the answer. That will only motivate more criminal activity with the message being we will cower our own laws under foreign pressure. In this age of terrorism that is the worst signal to broadcast.

You forget davdah that past US Governments, Republican and Democrat have turned a blind eye to the illegal immigrant issue over the years. This isn't something that just started happening, it goes back decades. We're now paying the price of inaction.

Finding them, rounding them up and deporting them all isn't the answer. Secure the borders, then find a resolution to this problem. The only way forward is some form of legalization for those are guilty of nothing more than trying to support their families.

Not all illegal immigrants are criminals and not all legal immigrants are not criminals. In fact a lot of illegal immigrants contribute more to this country than legal immigrants. But of course some people will say, illegal is illegal...

When the Government prosecutes a murder suspect, they often cut a plea bargain, guaranteeing a reduced sentence in exchange for co-operation.

Since the immigration problem was permitted to get so out of hand, the Government bares some of the responsibilities for the problem. What is the point of having laws, if we are not prepared to enforce them?

Considering the fact that in reality there will be no 20,000,000 deportations, America needs to cut a plea bargain. If each alien was required to pay a fine of say $5,000 to $10,000 to register, and be required to start paying taxes. We would then have everyone's finger prints, millions of new tax payers, and huge lump sum of much needed cash, much less crime, no more slave labor, etc.

After that, the borders need to be secured once and for all.

At least there's a glimmer of hope in the horizon. The people have spoken and spoken aloud that enough is enough of the era of indifference and incompetence. It may not be quick, it may not be all-encompassing out right, but sometimes change starts small. But small or something, anything, is better than nothing at all.

Imo,we have passed the mass.deportation phase in this debate.

I can't say I really agree with legalization but if it would get the d a m n Congress to do something about the problem then so be it.It is very obvious what must be done judging by the facts.

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Originally posted by JCWin:
Not all illegal immigrants are criminals and not all legal immigrants are not criminals. In fact a lot of illegal immigrants contribute more to this country than legal immigrants. But of course some people will say, illegal is illegal...

Seems this is igniting a debate. The fact is every illegal immigrant is a criminal. They violated US laws and sovereignty by entering and staying in our country. Most illegals are an economic drain on society. They deflate wages as is exemplified by the original post. They cause problems for those who did follow protocol in the immigration process by clogging it with endless appeals and legal nonsense instead of doing what is right, leaving.

Something needs to be done and the easiest fix is to create an environment that eliminates the attraction to violate those laws. Simply put. Make it more difficult that its worth to hire an illegal.

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Originally posted by Brit4064:
You forget davdah that past US Governments, Republican and Democrat have turned a blind eye to the illegal immigrant issue over the years. This isn't something that just started happening, it goes back decades. We're now paying the price of inaction.

Finding them, rounding them up and deporting them all isn't the answer. Secure the borders, then find a resolution to this problem. The only way forward is some form of legalization for those are guilty of nothing more than trying to support their families.

Securing the borders isn't too difficult. Ridding us of the illegal alien drain isn't that much more difficult either. Simply remove what they came for.

To god, the gov doesn't hold any liability for people not obeying the clearly established laws. And there very well can be a 20 mil deportation. It could be done within a few months with little effort if the government chooses to.

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Seems this is igniting a debate. The fact is every illegal immigrant is a criminal They violated US laws and sovereignty by entering and staying in our country. Most illegals are an economic drain on society. They deflate wages as is exemplified by the original post. They cause problems for those who did follow protocol in the immigration process by clogging it with endless appeals and legal nonsense instead of doing what is right, leaving.

Wrong. There is a distinction on how the person became an illegal immigrant. If it were through EWI then yes, that is considered a crime. Even so, it's a misdemeanor crime similar to a DUI. Visa overstay is thought to account for about 50% of illegals. In that case it is considered a civil misdemeanor.

"Under the Act, "illegal alien" may mean an alien who has illegally entered the country, which is a criminal offense under § 1325, or an alien who legally entered but is illegally present in the United States, which may be only a civil violation."

http://www.cairco.org/legal/legal.html

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Securing the borders isn't too difficult. Ridding us of the illegal alien drain isn't that much more difficult either. Simply remove what they came for.

The unofficial "smoke 'em out" policy won't remove all illegal immigrants and it won't be quick in any case. It could takes years to accomplish.

You can't apply absolute black and white policy. There are grey areas such as what to do with kids under 18 who came into the country illegally with their parents when young. They didn't ask to be illegal. It wasn't their choice. A humane decision has to be made. Do you send them back to a country where they possibly don't speak the language and have never been to?

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Originally posted by Brit4064:

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Securing the borders isn't too difficult. Ridding us of the illegal alien drain isn't that much more difficult either. Simply remove what they came for.

The unofficial "smoke 'em out" policy won't remove all illegal immigrants and it won't be quick in any case. It could takes years to accomplish.

You can't apply absolute black and white policy. There are grey areas such as what to do with kids under 18 who came into the country illegally with their parents when young. They didn't ask to be illegal. It wasn't their choice. A humane decision has to be made. Do you send them back to a country where they possibly don't speak the language and have never been to?

Hi, Brit. Then and now, can you think of anything they say that's close to being "official?"

New Blog Challenges Anti-Immigrant Blogosphere

"The current climate of undeterred online, immigrant-bashing is about to be faced with a force to contend with. The Immigration Policy Center (IPC) is pleased to announce the launching of its new blog, Immigration Impact (www.ImmigrationImpact.com). Immigration Impact was developed to help reshape the immigration debate in a way that will bring us closer to comprehensive immigration reform. The blog will provide thoughtful and rapid-response commentaries and insights on the latest news and events so that you can be up-to-date with what's going on with the immigration debate." [www.bibdaily.com]


Data Shows Americans Support CIR, Discredits Restrictionist’s Claims

By Michele Waslin

"Immigration restrictionists don’t know what to do with themselves. First off, none of the vehemently anti-immigrant candidates for president got their party’s nomination (or a great deal of public support), and both presidential candidates agreed on the need for comprehensive immigration reform – including a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants. Restrictionist poster child Lou Barletta failed to win his election for Congress in Pennsylvania and Libby Dole in North Carolina along with other enforcement-only candidates across the country lost to candidates who supported enforcement PLUS some kind of immigration reform. ..."

More here: http://immigrationimpact.com/2...sts-claims/#more-498

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Hi, Brit. Then and now, can you think of anything they say that's close to being "official?"

I guess the closest to it would be the local State/town laws some have adopted, such as OK State, Prince William Co, VA and Hazelton, PA.

I doubt these laws will survive much longer. I'm sure they'll end up being overturned or made obsolete once Federal CIR is enacted.

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Originally posted by JCWin:
Not all illegal immigrants are criminals and not all legal immigrants are not criminals. In fact a lot of illegal immigrants contribute more to this country than legal immigrants. But of course some people will say, illegal is illegal...

Definitely Pinoy!!!!

This is the diatribe of an illegal attempting to justify their crime.

The link Rn posted is laughable. It reminds me of when Hillary was giving speeches years back during the Clinton era about what they intended to do with gang members and troubled youth in school. Anyone remember that? 'We're going to set up boot camps to straighten these kids out. We're going to make their parents pay a fine. We're going to......' Nothing happened. The ACLU stepped in and said you can't force kids into the military. You can't further decimate a poor family with a fine. Into the abyss it went.

Same will happen here. They say they want to impose a fine. They say they want to mandate English proficiency. Really? I seem to recall a fervor of anti-English only sentiment not long ago. Now we are going to force feed it? Can anyone say pandering?

Why would these stipulations be floated for your approval? If the illegals are of such benefit why would we fine them? Why force them to learn a language? Is speaking English going to shift their moral compass?

Or are the CIR carpetbaggers pitching on your perceived prejudice? The elite tilted their hand once again. In their eyes you are nothing more than ignorant joe six-pack rednecks. That by switching out appearances with a promise of language it will transform them into your average citizen. And just for good measure hit them with a fine. Makes you feel like you got a little justice in the process. Guess what folks. No language and no fine.

What you will get is your wages subverted the more and increased taxes. Remember the one big mistake Reagan made? He legalized about 3 or so million. What happened? The welfare rolls ballooned since the illegal was fired when he demanded a descent wage and was now eligible for welfare. More illegals came to take the jobs they used to have. The welfare expenditure debate followed the first amnesty lockstep. Now imagine that problem times 10. Add into the equation the weak economy we have. A disaster waiting to happen. Makes you wonder who's side are they on?

An unintended consequence of the illegal immigration crackdown? So davdah and those who think the same, are you prepared to pay the inevitable extra taxes for your "mustn't reward bad behavior" mantra?

The cost of this "enforcement only" approach is gonna be astronomical in the end. Wouldn't it have been easier, cheaper and financially beneficial to let those who qualify become legal? Think davdah, all that income generated from a $5000 fine per person or more?

Shortage of court interpreters worsening in U.S.
By Maité Jullian, USA TODAY

An existing shortage of certified court interpreters is worsening, court officials say, as law enforcement agencies step up actions against illegal immigrants.

Arrests leading to federal prosecutions and deportations reached record levels in fiscal year 2008, according to an October report by Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/n...t-interpreters_N.htm