I would like to know if there is any one whom had thought that they were in a genuine relationship with the US CITIZEN spouse who sponsored them to the U S only to find out that,the US CITIZEN spouse was under false pretense and only wanted to use the condtional spouse to the extent where the conditional spouse was threatened by green card over his head that if he/she did not comply to the US CITIZEN'S demands that the threat of having the conditional resident deported to their country of citizenship?

OMG that is not good. Why is he doing that? It is not like anything I have heard. What are you going to do?

Oh sorry why is she doing that?

LOL ; what TOTAL BULL SH-T !!!
Who the F--- do you think you are kidding??

LOL
pathetic

Sonomichael,why do you act snosnubbish and stupid at times? I JUST ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION.As I do know of people who complain about coming here to the U.S. as conditional residents and only to find that their U.S. Citizen spouse,got them here with the intention of threatening them to do things that they normally didn't wanted to do,thus using the green card threat to drive fear into them...

Do you really think we are supposed to believe someone would go through all that trouble and expense to "control" someone using a conditional green card? That is BS and you KNOW it ! If I wanted to control someone, here is what I would do (talk about a scamster !!) I would bring someone over on a K-1 visa and never marry them. Thats right; no marriage, no conditional gren card no nothing. I would lock them in the basement (with my other women) and just abuse them. I would never give them anything they could use aganst me (no bank accounts, no tax returns, no marriage, no pictures, etc...). And I bet that woman would love me even more. Women LOVE being abused and this is a fact. EVERYONE knows that it is the grint that marries with bad intent and does not appreciate a nice guy, not the other way around. See the amazingly great website IMBRA.org for more details. American men are the smartest, the bravest and the kindest men in the world and I am their leader. We have liberated the world and brought freedom, peace and love to all corners of the globe.

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND F*** EVERYONE ELSE !!!

By the way,sonofmichael,you behave just so stupid and rotten,I wish you would act more grown up...I really don't get your point as you are not making any sense at all.

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Originally posted by omni:
By the way,sonofmichael,you behave just so stupid and rotten,I wish you would act more grown up...I really don't get your point as you are not making any sense at all.

And marrying someone and going through the expense and trouble sponsoring them for a green card just to abuse them makes sense !

You can quote me on this: "Real abusers have no trouble meeting women; nice guys do !"

Sonofmichael you ugly sin,pull your self together.This thing happens all the while,and no doubt about it,as people coming here (Conditional residents)are subjected to abuse and threats that if the don't comply to the U.S. Citizen's spouse's demands is that they won't go any further with them as far as getting conditions removed...I know one guy who married a woman from another country and was helping her to adjust her status thru marriage,but he had a sinister side to him,and had an ex girl friend stopping by the house when his wife was out,she his wife did live in domestic work and she's only home during the week-ends,the wife told me that one night her husband's ex girl friend called her up on her cell phone and got into an argument with her about her husband ....and things got so bad afterwards to the point where the husband made threats that she can either accept what his happening with the ex girlfriend or she can risk the chance of him having her conditional green card revoked and the immigration department put her into removal proceedings to kick her out of the U.S....This is fact that actually happened and not hear say,OK!

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Originally posted by omni:
Sonofmichael you ugly sin,pull your self together.This thing happens all the while,and no doubt about it,as people coming here (Conditional residents)are subjected to abuse and threats that if the don't comply to the U.S. Citizen's spouse's demands is that they won't go any further with them as far as getting conditions removed...I know one guy who married a woman from another country and was helping her to adjust her status thru marriage,but he had a sinister side to him,and had an ex girl friend stopping by the house when his wife was out,she his wife did live in domestic work and she's only home during the week-ends,the wife told me that one night her husband's ex girl friend called her up on her cell phone and got into an argument with her about her husband ....and things got so bad afterwards to the point where the husband made threats that she can either accept what his happening with the ex girlfriend or she can risk the chance of him having her conditional green card revoked and the immigration department put her into removal proceedings to kick her out of the U.S....This is fact that actually happened and not hear say,OK!

OH REALLY ? THEN WHY DID SHE STAY ??? Is she that desperate for a green card? I would rather starve to death in some third world country than be treated like that.
She would NOT be put into removal proceedings if she just left the country ! Why would she even want to stay with a person like that? Nonsense; its a lie. YOU know it and I know it !

Sponsoring someone for a green card is a service for the benfeit of the American, not for some lying foreigner. The 2 year conditional green card is away of determining whether the foreigner is sincere in her love for the American. As bizarre as it seems, many conditional residents leave as soon as they get it and remain in the US and often they cite "abuse" as the reason to get the conditions removed The justification to waive the joint application for abuse was to protect alleged victims of abuse. But how much of a "life" could they really have established in the US in 2 years that they can't return home. If you abused then leave. The fact is in 100% of these abuse cases, the foreigner is lying. A NORMAL person being abused would leave and go home to escape all these terrible abusers in America !

sonofmichael you kiss off and drop d***!

Omni, it isn't necessary under false pretenses, what can happen is that once the immigrant lives here permantly, and there are some rough patches during the marriage, the USC uses the Green card as ammunition to hurt the immigrant.
They may not actually mean it, but in any argument one of you would want to have something to hurt the other, and in this case using the Green Card issue is a good weapon to hurt the other or to blackmail them with.

There are some that turn into one of those controling spouses, a way of feeling powerful.
They know you are in a foreign country, no family, friends and no one to turn to.
It maybe because they feel insecure that you may leave them, or that they want something that you won't give them, so this is a good way to get what they want.

It does happen a lot Omni, but if you can prove a bona fide marriage, you can have a chance in staying.

But you also have to see it the other side too, there are many that decide to leave the relationship once they get their GC, and married only to get into the US.

Precautions have to be taken hence the conditional GC.
If she does keep threatening you, then try and have her put that in writing, or record her, whatever you can to prove at a later date that she was blackmailing you or lying.

Michael..I do see your point totally about why would anyone want to stay here after being treated that way.
The thing is, unless you have been in the shoes of an immigrant, you really won't understand.

It is the same for the many Americans who decided to stay in other countries once they immigrated and were treated badly.
You give up pretty much everything when you move countries, you mentally make the US your home. You kind of have to otherwise you won't cope being away from friends and family.
You settle here, you make start a new life, a job, friends, home and so on.
When things go bad, its not just the matter of..yeah lets go back to home country, all will be fine.
If there are children involved, that makes it even harder, because it affects the child too.

As I say, unless you have been in the shoes of that said person, and experience it yourself, it is very hard to understand why you just don't up and leave.

For many of us immigrants, we have made the US our home, just like your ancestors did and most Americans did.

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Originally posted by Sprint_girl07:
Michael..I do see your point totally about why would anyone want to stay here after being treated that way. The thing is, unless you have been in the shoes of an immigrant, you really won't understand. .

I think you meant unless I have been in the shoes of a lying con artist then I really won't understand. If that is what you meant, that is true. I have never understood how people can get satisaction in getting something they took from someone else and felt good about it. Even if it is not much, I earned everything I have and the pride I feel in that is something that a lying con artist will never understand.

No, you know exactly what I meant Michael.

Are you saying that all immigrants are cons, regardless?

No..second thoughts don't answer that, you pretty much are mind set, no one can ever convince you otherwise.

I am sure though, other countries have the Michaels in their immigration forums, feeling the same way about immigrants to their country, and even about American men and women going there to fraud people through marriage.

You have been hurt by one, very hard for you to see the wider picture.

So sonofmichael you were hurt by a person who defrauded you into getting a green card thru you? I can see that is why you are attacking immigrants..It is time for you to get over the hurt and of course that has nothing to do with me,but the thought of being used for the purpose of acquiring a green card to me is a bit ungrateful and low,needless to say,it works out both ways,US Citizens do get caught up in abusing of immigrants that they sponsor here to the U.S. and there are immigrants whose intention is only to use a U.S. Citizen for the purpose of acquiring a green card...

Don't twist this around; NO US Citizen has ever sponsored a foreigner, accepted the responsibility to support that person for life, and went through the expense and trouble simply for the "joy" of abusing them. That is a sick purposely twisted viewpoint that the fraudsters have used. That is ABSURD ! AND for your edification, I am probably THE strongest proponent of immigration you ever met.

For life?? where did you get that from?

Michael..actually there are many that do sponsor immigrants and use them like slaves or prositutes. You can read about it all over the net.
Having said that, it also happens in many other countries too.

Michel..you said you wouldn't marry an American woman, so you can't be totally against immigrant spouses?

Oh, also want to point out, I feel very offended with your new quote.

If that is how you really feel, then maybe my country and others should not be allies with America in war and fight against terrorism eh?

SonofMichael Well Said and Truly Said.

Omni - 99.9999% of women make this kind of s*** up just to get a greencard. As Michael pointed out, if she did not marry for the greencard and only married the person for love and who he is, then she ought to move back to her country and not spread the false rumors. Just because of such low level ****, lot of us are getting into trouble when we have a clean record. These immigrants who want to commit fraud or I should say who are committing fraud don't even think once on what will happen to USC's life by false accusations as such.

By visiting such message boards, they get things in their mind that may be they ought to use such an accusation and make up a fictional story, shed couple of tears and viola a Greencard is handed to them on a Golden Platter.