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And over there

In the middle east


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Originally posted by davdah:
Here is one for Hudson.
BTW, I took a look at that site. Did you know they would deport you for being with your Chinese wife.

stormfront

Not to mention you as well with your Indonesian wife hammer


"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
 
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Geee, I didn't notice that Roll Eyes

But hey, they aren't my buds.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Geee, I didn't notice that Roll Eyes

But hey, they aren't my buds.

But who said anything they were mine? whistling


"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
 
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You brought them into this. I didn't know they existed until you mentioned them.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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I hope this pisses off a bigot.......

Once upon a time in a country far far away a government tried to make a certain group of people to leave the country. Everything they did was to make life harder and harder for this group of people they wanted to leave. Then this government got much more earnest in their efforts. They started passing more and more repressive laws which made life even harder for this certain group of people that they waqnted to get rid of. The repressive laws only made life much harder on this group of people but they adapted by doing what they had to do even if was breaking more laws. The repression still didn't work. No, this is not Missouri. This was Germany in the 1930's which resulted in Crystal Night otherwise known as The Nite Of Broken Glass which resulted in the worst genoside the world has ever known. We kept saying it couldn't happen here and then it happened to us.
 
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Your comparing our Gov to nazi Germany?


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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You brought them into this. I didn't know they existed until you mentioned them.

Your kidding right?


"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
 
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No, didn't you say 'Go back to stormfront'? And I did not know of their existance until you mentioned them.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Cup of a "grande" size "Americano" Starbucks coffee:... $1.89
Morning newspaper:.................... $0.75
Oatmeal cookies:.......................$1.39

Watching some well-known bigots choke on articles like this:.... PRICELESS Smile


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AZ_LAWMAKERS_VIS...OME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Delegation of Mexican lawmakers denounces employer sanctions law


TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) -- A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora traveled to Tucson to make the case against Arizona's new employer sanctions law,

The lawmakers say it will have a devastating affect on the Mexican state.

At a news conference Tuesday, they said Sonora cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as illegal Mexican workers in Arizona return to their hometowns without jobs or money.

The law, which took effect Jan.1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States.

Businesses found violating the law face suspension or loss of a business license.

The lawmakers were to travel to Phoenix Wednesday for a breakfast meeting with Hispanic legislators.

They're expected to tell them how the law will affect Mexican families on both sides of the border.

"How can they pass a law like this?" asked Mexican Rep. Leticia Amparano Gamez, who represents Nogales. "There is not one person living in Sonora who does not have a friend or relative working in Arizona," Amparano said in Spanish.

Amparano said the Sonoran legislators are already asking the federal government of Mexico for help.

Rep. Florencio Diaz Armenta, coordinator of the delegation, represents the agricultural rich San Luis, Rio Colorado, area south of Yuma which employs some 28,000 legal Mexican workers.

"What do we do with the repatriated?" he asked. "As Mexicans, we are worried. They are Mexicans but they are also people's fathers and mothers and young people with jobs who won't have work in Sonora."

Diaz said the Arizona law will lead to the disintegration of the family, as one legal Mexican parent remains in Arizona and the other returns to Mexico.

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Information from: Tucson Citizen, http://www.tucsoncitizen.com
 
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As the title of this thread reads, you really like to piss bigots off, whknapp!
 
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Wouldn't this have the opposite affect? After all aren't they being sent away and these legislatures are scrambling to figure out what to do with their citizens?


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Wouldn't this have the opposite affect? After all aren't they being sent away and these legislatures are scrambling to figure out what to do with their citizens?


I can see you are as sharp as SomeDumb12. Read the title of the thread, then re-read the article...
 
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Duhhh. Of course I read the title and the article. Since the illegals are getting bounced it would put a smile on a bigots face. Were you referring to the hand ringing of the Mexican politicians? Their input has about as much influence as a fan on a forest fire. Not even worth mentioning. Or do they have legislative authority in our country?


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Duhhh. Of course I read the title and the article. Since the illegals are getting bounced it would put a smile on a bigots face. Were you referring to the hand ringing of the Mexican politicians? Their input has about as much influence as a fan on a forest fire. Not even worth mentioning. Or do they have legislative authority in our country?



You're obviously more dense than I gave you credit for. Read the highlighted text. The answer is NO, THEY DON'T. That's the point. That's what makes bigots foam at the mouth. Got it now?...
 
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Perhaps you should look a little closer at your own choice of words. The way you wrote the post gave the impression of causing anger, not joy. Your quick to slander response illuminates the obvious character flaws.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Perhaps you should look a little closer at your own choice of words. The way you wrote the post gave the impression of causing anger, not joy. Your quick to slander response illuminates the obvious character flaws.


I do not intend to cause anger or joy when I post on this thread. Just to PISS OFF the well-known bigots of this forum. By the way, where are the others? How come only one has jumped so far?.

Please note that smart people understand this without any explanation. Read hjv's comment above...
 
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Like I said, your choice of words caused the wrong response. Your implication that I'm a bigot is laughable. I have children and a former wife who are in varying degrees Hispanic. An illegal is not a race, color, nationality, tribe, union, or even club. Its simply what it is. Illegal. Nothing more or less. My argument is based on legal status and geography. Yours apparently is not.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles...ew_immigration_raid/


Homeland Security inspector general to review immigration raid

January 18, 2008

NEW BEDFORD, Mass.—Homeland Security has agreed to review an immigration raid at a New Bedford leather goods maker that immigrant advocates said caused a humanitarian crisis.

Standard Times of New Bedford reports that the inspector general of Homeland Security will look into the March 2007 raid at Michael Bianco Inc.

Sen. John Kerry requested the probe a few days after Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials detained 361 illegal workers at Bianco.

Most of the detained workers were women with young children, and immigrant advocates criticized the agency for tearing families apart.

A spokeswoman for the agency says she's confident the review -- which is expected to take about eight months -- will find that the raid was handled appropriately.

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Information from: The Standard-Times, http://www.s-t.com
 
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http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/fromcomments/221067.php

Some who voted for sanctions seek rollback
By Howard Fischer
Capitol Media Services
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 01.18.2008

PHOENIX — Some state lawmakers who backed Arizona's new employer sanctions law last year now are pushing to dilute some of its provisions.

Rep. Bill Konopnicki, R-Safford, prime sponsor of the rollback, wants the law altered so a firm cannot lose its license to do business for having an undocumented worker on the payroll unless the worker was hired after the law took effect Jan. 1.

He said it's not fair to punish employers who had no opportunity to verify the legal status of new workers through the federal government's E-Verify database program, as required by the sanctions law.

Further, Konopnicki wants to require prosecutors to prove "regular, repeated and intentional actions" of illegal hiring before a license could be suspended or revoked.

Companies would not be penalized for "isolated, sporadic or accidental acts."

Konopnicki's bills also would limit the types of licenses a judge could take away, a move Rep. Russell Pearce, R-Mesa, who crafted the original measure, said could exempt more than half of Arizona businesses from any type of punishment.

And even in those cases left, a company would be subject to license suspension or revocation only if guilt was proved "beyond a reasonable doubt," the same standard that applies for criminal convictions.

"You're talking about not just taking away a person's ability to make a living," Konopnicki explained. "You're talking about shutting down an investment, you're talking about jeopardizing bank loans and you're talking about having employees without jobs."

Sen. Carolyn Allen, R-Scottsdale, is one of the co-sponsors of Konopnicki's proposal who also voted for last year's bill.
She said she has since found provisions in the original law she does not like, such as allowing prosecutors to pursue investigations on anonymous complaints, an option the new proposal would foreclose.

Allen said she saw a legislative solution as preferable to an initiative, which, if approved by voters, could not be altered by lawmakers.
Konopnicki said the historic legislation, the first state law in the country to punish firms that knowingly hire undocumented workers, is flawed. "It was drafted too quickly, and there wasn't enough attention to detail."

But Pearce said Konopnicki, who owns several McDonald's franchises, has an ulterior motive.
"It's everything he can do to create an amnesty program for illegal employers," he said.

Konopnicki said the 2007 legislation is a minefield that will entrap companies that make inadvertent errors. He said that's why one of his bills would forbid license revocation unless prosecutors could show a "pattern or practice" of hiring people not authorized to work in this country.

"You pick somebody up on the corner, you pay them cash, you don't pay taxes, that's really where the target ought to be," Konopnicki said.
But Pearce said there is no reason to exempt any employer from the provisions of the law. And he said there are sufficient safeguards to ensure no one is unfairly prosecuted.

He noted the law gives a "rebuttable presumption" of innocence to any company that has checked a new employee's legal status through the E-Verify program. And a judge cannot suspend or revoke a license unless prosecutors prove the business knowingly or intentionally hired an undocumented worker.
Another change Konopnicki wants is a clear exemption from punishment for hiring independent contractors who are not here legally. But Pearce said that creates another loophole, allowing businesses to simply fire their employees and instead contract with them.
Other lawmakers who voted for last year's legislation and now are working with Konopnicki include Sens. Jake Flake, R-Snowflake, and Amanda Aguirre, D-Yuma, and Rep. Jack Brown, D-St. Johns.
 
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