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So you agree that right and wrong which equate to legal and illegal do matter. And doing the wrong thing a long time doesn't make it right. Hmm, tennis shoe or sandal?

Nativism is nothing more than fear of change and there are no laws barring it.


Excuse the intrusion, NHF.

From Webster: Nativism is a policy of favoring native inhabitants as opposed to immigrants.

It is much more than the fear of change, Davdah. And there are laws barring the more radical expressions of nativism.
 
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The extreme expressions of it are illegal. Just as the extreme of just about anything is either illegal, fattening, or immoral. But never the less it is still at its core a fear of change. I was referring to the more common versions though.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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The extreme expressions of it are illegal. Just as the extreme of just about anything is either illegal, fattening, or immoral. But never the less it is still at its core a fear of change. I was referring to the more common versions though.


UUhhhggg!
Same ole, same ole!! When confronted with truth, you change your tune. The more common versions??? More common than what??
Some laws are clearly unethical. This has been proven time after time again throughout history. Please don't even go there. People's lives are being destroyed Davdah. Unlike yourself (as you so proudly have shared with the board) people without financial means to do anything about it. Mothers seperated from children, families broken apart.
We need comprehensive immigration reform and it does not involve destroying lives, which to some come as such an easy answer.
Stop while you're not ahead.
 
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The extreme expressions of it are illegal. Just as the extreme of just about anything is either illegal, fattening, or immoral. But never the less it is still at its core a fear of change. I was referring to the more common versions though.



UUhhhggg!
Same ole, same ole!! When confronted with truth, you change your tune. The more common versions??? More common than what??
Some laws are clearly unethical. This has been proven time after time again throughout history. Please don't even go there. People's lives are being destroyed Davdah. Unlike yourself (as you so proudly have shared with the board) people without financial means to do anything about it. Mothers seperated from children, families broken apart.
We need comprehensive immigration reform and it does not involve destroying lives, which to some come as such an easy answer.
Stop while you're not ahead.



Oh Puleeze cut the c-rap Those "mothers" need to stop humping everything that has a bulge in its crotch masquerading as men. Simply having s-ex and getting knocked up DOES NOT MAKE YOU A MOTHER. It makes you a stupid breedmare who lacks common sense and can't keep your legs closed. If they didn't come here with the purpose of getting knocked up and big pimping and stayed home they could "keep their families together". They know exactly what the consequences are for coming here illegally, so if they deliberately breed to stay here and knowing they could end up being seperated from their "children" because they are criminals (see Smellvira Arellano) why should we care?

Oh and for the record, a lot of them LEAVE CHILDREN BEHIND AND COME TO THE US, so WHOSE SEPARATING THEIR "FAMILIA"? THEY ARE, but you don't hear those stories despite the fact that they are voluminous. So you can put away your violin with the invisible strings. tt2

As Michael Jackson once sang: "If you can't feed your baby then DON't HAVE A BABY."

These stupid Breedmares have babies so they can get a check, American sympathy and feed themselves. They pimp their ill gotte gains for whatever freebies they can milk the US taxpayers for. Sympathy IS NOT FREE and I'm sick of my tax dollars footing their bills. I'd rather chip in for sterilization and deportation its a hell of a lot cheaper since they don't have enough brain cells or the will to keep their ****ed legs closed.

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Immigrant child separated from mom at family detention center (AP)

Posted: November 15, 2007
By ANABELLE GARAY Associated Press Writer

DALLAS — An 8-year-old girl was separated from her pregnant mother and left behind for several days at a detention center established to hold immigrant families together while they await outcomes to their cases.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials say they had to transfer the Honduran woman because she twice resisted attempts to deport her and was potentially disruptive. ICE spokesman Carl Rusnok said guards and ICE staff watched over the child after her mother was removed from the T. Don Hutto Family Residential Facility, a former Central Texas prison where non-criminal immigrant families are held while their cases are processed.

But others are critical of the agency's handling of the case, saying it put the girl at risk and is yet another example of why the controversial facility should be closed.

"Here, it's the government itself that has the custody of this child and then leaves her without proper supervision," said Denise Gilman, who oversees the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas School of Law, which provides legal services to Hutto detainees. "We certainly don't want to see it happen again."

The 28-year-old mother and child lost a bid for asylum and are back in Honduras. But Immigration Clinic attorneys plan to file a complaint with the federal government.

"There is something to complain about, because we're talking about a child's welfare," said Michelle Brane, director of the detention and asylum program at the Women's Commission for Refugee Women and Children. "This is a perfect example of why family detention just doesn't work."

Since opening last year near Taylor, the Hutto facility has been exempt from state child-care licensing requirements. ICE officials told the Texas Department of Family and Protective Services that parents would be at the facility with their children and would be responsible for their care, so state regulation wasn't needed.

But if the state's child care licensing division receives a complaint indicating child care is being provided, it could investigate, said Patrick Crimmins, a spokesman for the Department of Family and Protective Services.

ICE officials have previously said detaining families at the facility is meant to help "children remain with parents, their best caregivers" while they are processed for deportation.

But Irma Banegas of Fort Worth said that's not what happened in the case of her sister and niece. She asked that they not be identified by name due to concerns for their safety in Central America.

Banegas said the mother and daughter told her they cried inconsolably after they were awakened and separated.
"They've never been apart," Banegas said of her sister and her niece.
Banegas said the pair fled Honduras earlier this year to escape an abusive relationship and growing gang violence in that country, including attacks that scarred her sister.

The girl and her mother had traveled from El Balsamo, Honduras to Mexico and then crossed by boat into South Texas, where they were apprehended in August.

The two were sent to Hutto, where they were held for about two months. They were waiting for a decision on their bid for asylum, which they eventually lost.

The agency attempted to deport the woman twice in October, but she wouldn't comply. ICE officials didn't reveal specifics about her efforts to resist deportation.

But as a result, Rusnok said, she was considered a high risk for disruptive behavior and moved to a South Texas detention center in Pearsall.

"Such family separations at Hutto are extremely rare. ICE personnel took extraordinary care to minimize family disruption and separation time, while at the same time ensuring the good order of the family residential center," Rusnok said in a statement.

Advocates agree that detainees who endanger themselves or others should be removed, but decry the lack of guidelines for transferring or punishing troublemakers.

"What that standard is, I think, is a gray area," Brane said. "This is part of our concern with there not being any standards."

During the separation, the girl continued her regular routine at Hutto and "felt comfortable and safe" at the facility, according to the agency.

Lawsuits filed earlier this year accused Hutto's uniformed, handcuff-toting correctional officers called "counselors" of threatening to separate misbehaving children from their families. A settlement reached in August bans the practice and called for improving conditions at Hutto.

Those concerns have been rekindled as word of the most recent case spread through the facility, advocates say.
"That kind of fear it strikes to the heart of all other children," Gilman said.



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DALLAS — An 8-year-old girl was separated from her pregnant mother and left behind for several days at a detention center established to hold immigrant families together while they await outcomes to their cases.



And your point? You should be asking yourself WTF is wrong with this crazy beyotch. She's poverty stricken, HERE ILLEGALLY and steady screwing and breeding.

Ever hear the words PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?


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Needhelp, what I was referring to when I said 'more common' was unreasonable or unrealistic fears as Hudson pointed out to begin with. But it isn't a nativism based anger that is being expressed with this issue. Just like calling someone a racist when they say there are too many illegals running the streets. Its another mislabeling to hide the reality.

Beverly just brought to light something else. In the hispanic community what is the dominant religion? Catholicism kiddies. And what does Catholicism preach when it comes to birth control. Thou shalt not use birth control. The same church that wants us to tear down our borders. The same church who is seeing its membership levels drop in the richest country in the world. Not to ping on them since I was born and raised one myself but I see a conflict of interest here.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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What is all the bickering about separating the families for? When they are deported don't they all go back together? Doesn't the mother take her kids with her?


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Now you oppose the Catholic church?
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What is all the bickering about separating the families for? When they are deported don't they all go back together? Doesn't the mother take her kids with her?


Davdah, before you go siding with extremists views, do some research on the basic human rights violations committed to the families caught up in "paperwork snafus".
 
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The catholic church needs to teach ABSTINENCE in light of the fact that these "worshipers" don't have common sense.

Then again the catholic church wants them here so they can replenish their coffers and their pool of future victims. Molesting children isn't a cheap hobby when especially if you get caught and have to pay for your sins. death

Archaic religious beliefs have no place in a modern society. Too many 3rd world citizens are catholic and not to knock anybody's religion but let's face it this mideval corrupt religion should be condemned.


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I oppose them getting involved in politics. They have enough problems already.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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What is all the bickering about separating the families for? When they are deported don't they all go back together? Doesn't the mother take her kids with her?


Because that's what A REAL MOTHER WOULD DO.

Breeding is a perpetual hobby and children are merely pawns to these ignorant idiots. When you breed 2 a year, the sexual aspect become a hobby and the life conceived is the equivalent of a disposable diaper.


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The religeon & bible are fine. Its the people who read it and twist the words that are the problem.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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What is all the bickering about separating the families for? When they are deported don't they all go back together? Doesn't the mother take her kids with her?


Davdah, before you go siding with extremists views, do some research on the basic human rights violations committed to the families caught up in "paperwork snafus".




To answer your question, no. The children are not always "sent back" with their mothers or fathers. The social service industry is absolutely overflowed with foster kids that are in the familial separation process. If you don't think this is morally wrong, it is costing the US alot of money to take care of these kids as well.
 
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Needhelp, what an advocate would call a human rights violation versus a 'real' human rights violation are far apart. Want to see real human rights violations? Visit Somalia. Its like equating a scrape to a dismembered corpse.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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There you go again with your "we're not as bad as others" line of reasoning. ...
 
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Religion is a tool of separation created by man to pit one cult and its beliefs against another in pursuit of personal worship and wealth. I admit to being skeptical, but with good reason. I gave practicing "religion" long ago. God and his word are all I believe in.

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I oppose them getting involved in politics. They have enough problems already.


Amen. If they don't remain neutral then they should have their tax exempt status revoked.


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