http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2213880,00.html

Hispanic names make top 10 list in America

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Tuesday November 20, 2007
The Guardian


Forget about keeping up with the Joneses. It's the Garcia, Rodriguez and Martinez families that are the ones to watch.
Data from the US census bureau suggests that some surnames of Hispanic origin have supplanted Anglo ones - such as Wilson - traditionally thought of as quintessential American names.

In the 2000 census, Garcia was the eighth most common surname in the US, and Rodriguez came in at number nine, both ahead of Wilson, which at 10th was only just ahead of Martinez.

It was probably the first time in US history that a non-Anglo name ranked among the top 10 most common surnames.
Demographers say the change reflects the rapid growth of the Latino community in the US which increased by 58% in the 1990s, and accounts for 13% of the population.

America's Asian population experienced similarly rapid growth and made its own claim on the list of most common surnames. Lee, which in its various spellings is a familiar name among Chinese and Korean-Americans, was 22nd in the census.

The preponderance of Garcias and Lees was also seen as a sign of greater ease and acceptance of minority communities. Immigration authorities no longer wield the power to arbitrarily assign new identities as they did to the new arrivals from Europe a century ago.

"Back at the turn of the previous century when people came here from eastern Europe or Italy they may have wanted to Americanise their names," said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution.

"These days, that's not the case. People are proud of their names."

Not yet. But it's only 6:20 p.m.

wknapp


most everybody has complied with posting this type of stuff under one thread name. as you can see finally the board has started to return to normal people that are asking for help.


lets not have it revert to what it has been for the past several days

Please cooperate in getting this board back to a professional standard by being courteous like Explora and others that are posting articles under one thread.

Sure, 4now. I'm using this thread only...

There were many of us worried about your chicken pet this weekend, Whknapp. Everything okay? LOL!

ok cool






This one got away

I found it, ProudUSC. I had to spend the entire weekend looking for Bev12 (my chicken pet's name) but luckily I found it, unharmed. Thanks for asking!.

We suspected it took the whole weekend . Glad Bev12 is safe and sound. Lol!

BTW, there were alot of loose chickens on the board this weekend, if you get my drift. HA!!!

I'm so happy to hear Bev12 is safe and sound and back home again!

Bev12? Hmm.. that sounds like an average board name. Why not make it more standing out like BevDahSoM12, or DavBevSM12 or 12SonsofSomeonesandDavdahmarriedBeverelyinhell.

I like the Bev12 name. It must be a chicken of a mixed up, cross breed heritage?

quote:

Originally posted by Brit4064:
I like the Bev12 name. It must be a chicken of a mixed up, cross breed heritage?

Actually, I think you should name your Flintstone version of burglar alarms/dinner after Chicago's Illegal Alien lover Mayor Daley:

Except he thinks your culture is barbarian as hell also:

City of Chicago wants to Remove Chickens

****-a-doodle-do Mayor Daley. Many of Chicago's Hispanic community have live Roosters in the back yard. They provide a warning if strangers are lurking. Also in the morning these birds provide a wake-up call. These are egg-cellent birds. Mayor Daley is cracked. This possible new law leaves egg on the Mayor's face. Daley is scrambling for answers on this. I could go on and on, but Chicago has a Budget Crisis and all the billions of dollars made on Chicago assets like the Chicago Skyway is now gone. Read more on this story click below. Thanks Fran Spielman. Photo by Patrick McDonough

First pigeons, now chickens cause a stink
CITY COUNCIL | Alderman wants to add birds to ban

October 9, 2007
BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter/fspielman@suntimes.com
Four years ago, the City Council clipped the wings of Chicagoans who bred and raced pigeons in residential neighborhoods amid complaints from homeowners fed up with the stench.

"Flatulence is like roses compared to the smell of pigeon manure," Northwest Side resident Paul Covangka complained then.

Now, Southwest Side Ald. Lona Lane (18th) wants to throw chickens into the same coop. She's introduced an ordinance to amend the pigeon ban to include chickens.

"There are residents within our ward who have neighbors raising chickens as pets. They're letting them run around in their backyards. Debris from the chickens is creating mice. The odor from the feathers is something they're not happy with," Lane told the Chicago Sun-Times.

"I was alerted that some of the people are cutting their heads off in some kind of ritual, letting them run around, then dumping them in hot water, plucking their feathers and cooking them. They're throwing carcasses in the garbage."

The ordinance that Lane introduced at the Sept. 27 City Council meeting would make it a crime to "import, sell, own, keep or otherwise possess any live chicken" in a district zoned for residential use. The "keeping of chickens for slaughter" would require a "valid wholesale food establishments license."

Lane's staff could not immediately identify either neighbors who had complained about pet chickens or the residents accused of keeping them.

During City Council hearings on the pigeon ban, breeders spoke with passion about a cherished family tradition that dates back at least four generations to their great-grandfathers in Poland.

But aldermen overruled them because of what Ald. Tom Allen (38th) called an "epidemic of pigeon coops" that had made life smelly and miserable for Northwest Side neighbors. The ban has been upheld by a federal appeals court.


Illegal Barbarians . . .

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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1212guatemex.html

Guatemalans, Mexicans blending as families

As migrants marry, new Latino identity emerges
Daniel Gonzá***
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 12, 2007 12:00 AM

Santiago Chavez spotted Bibiana Arzeta at a Latin nightclub in Phoenix and asked her to dance.

Where are you from? Arzeta asked. Mexico, Chavez replied.

Chavez gave Arzeta his phone number, and later, the two began talking regularly. That's when Arzeta, who is originally from Acapulco, noticed Chavez didn't speak Spanish with an accent like hers.

Where are you really from? Arzeta asked. This time, Chavez told the truth. Guatemala.

The couple now have a 1-month-old son, Leo. Their union represents an emerging demographic trend taking shape in Phoenix and other cities throughout the Southwest: Growing numbers of Guatemalan and Mexican immigrants are marrying and having U.S.-born children, creating mixed Latino families with ties to three countries at once.

These new inter-Latin American families are also less likely to return to their home countries, their children tend to integrate into American society faster and more are converting from Catholicism to evangelical Christianity, immigration experts and community leaders say.

The mixture has become so common in Phoenix, some community members have even coined a name "Guatemexicoestadounidenses," or Guatemexiamericans, to describe the families.

The trend is being driven by an influx of immigrants from Central America, mainly Guatemala, who are settling in communities long dominated by Mexican immigrants, experts say. Although no specific data exists about the number of mixed Latino marriages, the trend is undeniable. As more Central Americans arrive, the more they meet and marry Mexicans.

"There is a great mixing taking place," said Nestor Rodriguez, a sociologist at the University of Houston who studies immigration trends. Latinos, he said, are becoming like other Americans with European ancestry, with ties not to a single nationality but many.

"If you ask an Anglo, where is your family from, they'll say something like, my mother is Irish, my father is German and my grandfather was Norwegian. The same thing is happening to Latinos. One parent may be Mexican, the other Guatemalan, or Salvadoran or Honduran," Rodriguez added.

Cultural exchange
Newly arrived Guatemalan immigrants tend to settle in the same neighborhoods as Mexican immigrants. They also share the same language and similar cultures, so it's not surprising that more Guatemalans and Mexicans are marrying, said James Loucky, an anthropologist at Western Washington University, who studies Guatemalan migration.

Guatemalans, however, often pass themselves off as Mexicans in order to blend in, Loucky said.

"Guatemalans know that oftentimes Mexicans look down on them," Loucky said.

Chavez, 24, said he fibbed about being Mexican when he met Arzeta because he thought it would make it easier to ask her out. Chavez speaks Spanish, but his first language is Mam, a language spoken by Mayan people from the highlands of western Guatemala, where he is from.

Chavez came to the United States in 2000 and works in the housing-construction industry building roof tresses.

Arzeta, 20, is from Acapulco. She has lived in the U.S. since she was 5 and grew up in a Mexican neighborhood in south Phoenix. After she became pregnant, Arzeta moved in with Chavez in a neighborhood near 35th Avenue and McDowell Road in Phoenix known for its high concentration of Guatemalan immigrants. Now, Arzeta is learning to say words like "ear" in Mam and cook Guatemalan food.

Guatemalan influx
In Arizona, a surge of Guatemalan immigrants have made them the second-largest Latino immigrant group behind Mexicans, according to the Census Bureau. In 2006, there were about 14,100 Guatemalan immigrants living in Arizona, the bureau estimated. Guatemalan government officials, however, believe the number is at least double that.

There are 30,000 to 35,000 Guatemalan immigrants in Arizona, and about two-thirds live in the Phoenix area, said Oscar Padilla Lam, who runs the Guatemalan consulate in Phoenix. In contrast, there are more than 608,000 Mexican immigrants living in Arizona, according to 2006 estimates by the bureau.

Many of the Guatemalans coming to the U.S. are young single men looking for work. Many end up marrying Mexicans because there aren't as many Guatemalans, Padilla Lam said.

Many Latino immigrants come to the U.S. for work with the intention of returning someday to their home countries. But mixed Latino immigrant families are less likely to return home because it becomes difficult to pick one country over another, said Cecilia Menjívar, a sociologist at Arizona State University and an expert on Central American migration. She pointed out that little research has been done about mixed Latino families.

But she said it's possible that children of mixed Latino families may adopt American culture faster. Children from families where both parents share the same nationality tend to develop a "hyphenated" identity, for example, Mexican-American or Guatemalan-American, she said. But children of mixed Latino families have a harder time choosing, so they become more oriented toward American culture, making them more likely to be involved politically and civically down the road.

A higher proportion of Guatemalans also have converted from Catholicism to Evangelical Christianity than Mexicans. As more Guatemalan and Mexican immigrants intermarry, the number of Mexican evangelicals could go up, she said.

Joel Lugo coined the term Guatemexicoestadounidenses about five years ago when he started meeting more families like his. Lugo, 44, a native of Mexico, and his wife, Mayra, 38, a native of Guatemala, have been married for 20 years. They met when there were relatively few Guatemalans living in the Valley. The couple now have four children ranging in age from 6 to 20.

Lugo, who owns a landscaping business, said he is raising his children to be American, but they maintain ties to both Mexico and Guatemala.

Both Joel and Mayra were raised Catholic. They now attend an Evangelical Christian church with a mixture of Mexican and Guatemalan families.

"I see this mixture of Guatemalans and Mexicans more and more," Lugo said. "It's a nice mixture."

Memo From Mexico, By Allan Wall
More Hypocrisy: How Mexico Handles Its Own Illegal Immigration
How are Central Americans treated in Mexico? Just fine, according to President Vicente Fox,

"Every year more than 250,000 Central Americans cross the [Mexican] border. They are treated with respect, and are offered a better place to stay and new opportunities." [Newsflash: HR4437 Rejected!—By Mexico’s Meddling Government]

But Jose Luis Soberanes, president of the CNDH (National Commission of Human Rights) doesn’t agree with Fox.

Soberanes has reported that Central American and even Mexican migrants in Mexico are subject to abuse at the hands of police and military personnel, and that immigrants are detained in municipal prisons.

According to Soberanes, "the Mexican government mistreats ‘indocumentados’ that cross its territory, it keeps them in jails, in overcrowded conditions, many times without food, without medical attention and overall, violating their human rights."

Mauricio Farath, another CNDH official, reported that in some Mexican states, Central Americans "go to the municipal jails, where they stay for days and weeks. In some small rooms there are dozens of them and they do not separate the men and the women." [CNDH: Aquí se criminaliza a los ilegales, Victor Ballinas Enviado, December 21st, 2005]

Later, Jose Luis Soberanes put it this way

"We demand that they [Americans] treat us well, and we are incapable of treating Central Americans well."

[Exigimos que a nosotros nos traten bien, y somos incapaces de tratar bien a los centroamericanos.] (Presidente promete ‘pelear’ por los paisanos by Jose Luis Ruiz, Universal, March 29th, 2006)

In 2005, Mexico detained 240, 269 illegal aliens in its territory. Of that total, 42% were from Guatemala, 33% from Honduras, with most of the rest being from El Salvador.

All three of those countries are poorer than Mexico (more on that later).

I recall some years ago in the state of Quintana Roo in southeastern Mexico. There were quite a few Guatemalans on the bus I was traveling on. At a checkpoint, the Guatemalans were unceremoniously yanked off the bus and their papers rifled through. It seemed like an everyday occurrence.

Mexico is certainly within its rights to control its own immigration policy. Mexico has the right to detain and deport illegal aliens. (For that matter, Mexico has the right to expel legal aliens if it so desires).

According to Mexico’s Ley General de Población, Article 123, illegal aliens can be fined and sentenced to up to two years in prison.

"Se impondrá pena hasta de dos años de prisión y multa de trescientos y cinco mil pesos, al extranjero que se interne ilegalmente al pais. "

Usually though, they’re just deported, as Article 125 allows. [PDF]

The Mexican immigration agency is the INM—Instituto Nacional de Migracion). But it is not the only agency that enforces immigration law. The Mexican military helps. And so do local Mexican police. In fact, by law, all Mexican police, regardless of unit or level, are required to enforce immigration law.

(On that point, we could surely learn from Mexico).

Enforcing the law is one thing, abuse of authority is another. And that’s what frequently happens to Central Americans in Mexico. The illegal aliens are victims of both corrupt authorities and private criminals. Corrupt officials often shake them down for bribes. Some are robbed, raped or even murdered. Not much is done about it.

In a recent AP piece Mark Stevenson reports that

"Undocumented Central American migrants complain much more about how they are treated by Mexican officials than about authorities on the U.S. side of the border, where migrants may resent being caught but often praise the professionalism of the agents scouring the desert for their trail." [Few Protections for Migrants to Mexico, AP April 19th, 2006]

Most illegal Central Americans enter Mexico to pass through to the United States. But some stay and seek work in Mexico. Some Mexican employers now prefer Guatemalans to Mexican workers. (Guatemalans doing work Mexicans won’t do?)

Just to put things in perspective, consider the economic differences between Mexico and most of her Central American neighbors.

Mexico’s GDP per capita is $10,100 (higher than the world average of $9,300.) Here, in descending order, is the GDP per capita of each Central American nation:

Costa Rica $10,100 , Belize $6,800 Guatemala $5,200, El Salvador $5,100,

Honduras $ 2,800, Nicaragua $2,400

As you can see, except for Costa Rica, which ties with Mexico, all the others have a lower GDP per capita than Mexico.

Another useful socioeconomic barometer is the UN’s Human Development Index (HDI) which takes into account life expectancy, education and adjusted real income. The list goes from #1 Norway to #177 Niger, the U.S. is #10. Mexico comes in at #53 (a better score than some eastern European countries).

Mexico’s Central American neighbors, with one exception, have worse HDI scores than Mexico: Panama (56), Belize (91), El Salvador (104), Honduras (116), Guatemala (117).

Among Central American nations, only Costa Rica, at #47, scores higher.

(Isabel Lyman is a VDARE.COM friend and home school activist and her parents came from Costa Rica).

So with the exception of Costa Rica, all the Central American nations are poorer than Mexico.

There are even illegal alien flows between the Central American nations. Costa Rica has its own illegal immigration problem with illegal aliens from Nicaragua. And when I visited Belize, I met an illegal alien from El Salvador.

We always hear how Mexico is poorer than the U.S: Well, most Central American countries are poorer than Mexico. It doesn’t stop Mexican authorities from detaining and deporting their citizens, does it?

What about profiling? Recently near Mexico City, police shot Mexican construction worker Robert Lugo. Because Lugo had dark skin and work clothes, the police mistook him for a Central American. (Mexican police kill man in illegals raid WorldNetDaily, April 19th, 2006

Several years ago, I wrote a VDARE.COM article about seven Mexican Indians who were mistaken for Guatemalans, imprisoned for 10 days, and almost deported to Guatemala.

Illegal alien stories regularly appear in the Mexican media. Here are a few recent ones:

In Chiapas a few months back, local police were chasing Guatemalan illegal aliens. They shot an illegal and his Mexican smuggler (both lived). Fifteen illegal aliens were detained. [Balean policies a inmigrantes guatemaltecos Siglo, Feb. 13th, 2006]


In a tragic accident in April, 80-85 Central American illegal aliens were riding in a truck which crashed into a trailer (both drivers and some of the illegals fled the scene). Known casualties: 9 of the illegal aliens died, 16 were wounded. [Mueren nueve indocumentados en acidente en Chiapas, 26 April 2006, Universal]


A 15 year old illegal immigrant girl from El Salvador arrived to a Mexican metropolitan area and wound up working as a prostitute. Her pimps kept control of her by threatening to report her illegal status if she didn’t do what they said. Finally, she was fed up with her harsh treatment and sexual abuse. She escaped and turned herself into immigration authorities. The immigration authorities imprisoned her, incommunicado, in a cell in the basement of a government building, with a man as her roommate. The press didn’t discover it for two months. [Siglo – Mantienen incomunicada a una salvadoreña By Luis Alberto Morales Cortés, April 30th, 2006]
Now this ought to win some kind of award for sheer chutzpah: Bush, Fox and Canada's Harper recently met at a summit in Cancun.

Fox was both agitating for Mexican illegal aliens in the U.S. and boasting about fighting illegal immigration in Mexico:

"On our southern border, we are very active in patrolling, in construction of [immigration] stations, to stop the illegal migrants that enter Mexican territory and return them to their country, always with full respect for their human rights."

"En la frontera sur estamos muy activos en el patrullaje, en construcción de estaciones para detener a los migrantes ilegales que entran a territorio mexicano y regresarlos a su país, siempre con el pleno respeto a los derechos humanos", dijo Fox. [Privilegian la seguridad en Norteamérica Natalia Gomez Quintero y Jose Luis Ruiz Universal, March 31st, 2006]

So why is it good if Mexico controls immigration and bad if the U.S. does?

So, while demanding rights for Mexicans illegally in U.S. territory, Mexico defends its own territory by detaining illegal aliens from countries poorer than Mexico. Many Mexican officials abuse these illegal aliens.

And yet, you don’t see Central American illegal aliens marching through the streets of Mexico, demanding their "rights."

You don’t see the governments of Guatemala and Honduras meddling in Mexican internal politics.

Why not?

Because they all know that Mexico wouldn’t tolerate it.

But up north, Uncle Sam tolerates illegal aliens in the streets demanding legalization and constant meddling in U.S. politics by Mexican officials.

No wonder they don’t respect us!

American citizen Allan Wall (email him) resides in Mexico, with a legal permit issued him by the Mexican government. Allan recently returned from a tour of duty in Iraq with the Texas Army National Guard. His VDARE.COM articles are archived here; his FRONTPAGEMAG.COM articles are archived here his "Dispatches from Iraq" are archived here his website is here.

I think this deserves some analysis and some possible research. We have someone who frequents this board, Mike2007 who is stuck in Mexico. Mike, if you read this would you object to a little research in Mexico? What would be nice to know is what the police or local authorities have to say about staging a rally on behalf of Central Americans wanting citizenship. You may want to make sure you tell them 1, you aren't one. And 2, this is purely hypothetical, will not actually happen. Wouldn't want you in jail for mentioning those words.

Tell them there will be Central American flags waived. The flag of Mexico would probably be burned by disenfranchised Central Americans and possibly some Mexican sympathizers. What would happen? Police protection? Would it even be possible? What if they did it without consent assuming they would be told no they can't.

Davdah


bite your tongue lol

Mike is stuck as an illegal in mexico.. and we want him to come back home without incident. not put in a mexico jail somewhere for reporting for cnn

Maybe he could get someone to ask for him. It would be very telling to hear how the Mexican officials respond