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Originally posted by Honey:
Hi guys! Just here are the recent news – for your information. The government of the USA recently asked Czech Republic (I think Poland too) if the USA can put a radio base on its territory (in order to locate and track ballistic missiles – safety precaution).
The reaction of Russia was a threat : if you two countries will do so, our ‘revenge’ will be substantial .

I could not believe this. They probably did not screw us up enough, they want more! B******S !

Personally, I think Europeans should take care of Europeans. The US is not the World's police man.

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Originally posted by Honey:
Cannot I tease sometimes or what?

Was it a tease or was it a snide remark?

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Originally posted by iperson:
I think so Honey. I mean to not know what happened and what our nations went through? Come on!
At least they must have heard about the Iron Curtain and the Berlin Wall?? Ya'd think...

I have a very good idea of what happened behind the Iron Curtain from hearing first hand accounts. this also includes what happened in Vietnam, Korea, and China. Perhaps you have heard of them or are you just Euro centrist? But that does not preclude from the fact that Some Poles were willing participants in those atrocities. Why do you think I said, "And Poland has done some nasty stuff." The atrocity near the Silesian forest were allegedly committed by the United Workers Party of Poland against the German minority. Two wrongs do not make a right, IP.

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Originally posted by iperson:
No, it is not only MY history, it is the history and herstory of my nation, battered through centuries with partiations, wars and attrocities, that finally ended in 1989 and sealed with EU membership in 2004.

There are some Poles who believe communism was good and some, basically a majority, who believe it was not. So, who has the "Real History" IP. To put blame on the west for what happened in Poland after WWII is revisionist history, IP. If you study both the Yalta and Potsdam transcripts of the proceedings, you might understand what happened there. Of course, nothing from the general agreements in Potsdam went the way according to plan and it was only after the fact that the elections were rigged. Of course, UK, France, and the US could have gone to war with the remnants of the Wehrmacht, but Poland might have protested anyway.

Of course, the same argument being used by you and Honey has also been used in Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, China, Indonesia, East Timor, and other countries after WWII. The US is the darn if you do and darn if you don't.

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Originally posted by Hudson:

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Originally posted by Honey:
Hi guys! Just here are the recent news – for your information. The government of the USA recently asked Czech Republic (I think Poland too) if the USA can put a radio base on its territory (in order to locate and track ballistic missiles – safety precaution).
The reaction of Russia was a threat : if you two countries will do so, our ‘revenge’ will be substantial .

I could not believe this. They probably did not screw us up enough, they want more! B******S !

Personally, I think Europeans should take care of Europeans. The US is not the World's police man.

Hudson: What is your point here? I am not American citizen (yet), and even if I become to be USC, I will still be Czech too, so ...
BTW: it is linked with our previous conversation here; some of those 'superpower countries' simply like to stick their noses everywhere.
And the Russian reaction came because of AMERICAN base, buddy.

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Originally posted by Hudson:

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Originally posted by Honey:
Cannot I tease sometimes or what?

Was it a tease or was it a snide remark?

Yest, it was a snide remark. Yours.

I cannot imagine for one moment that America isnt doing it to benefit America. America isnt being the Police force of Europe, America is looking after thier own!!!!!! America asked the Czech Republic not the other way around... Look after each other for a safer world.....

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Originally posted by ntfd3:
I cannot imagine for one moment that America isnt doing it to benefit America. America isnt being the Police force of Europe, America is looking after thier own!!!!!! America asked the Czech Republic not the other way around... Look after each other for a safer world.....

Yes, America wants those bases for Americas' protection. And, maybe, for others' protection too ... What is your point?

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Yes, America wants those bases for Americas' protection. And, maybe, for others' protection too ... What is your point?

さん,がんばれ!

U answered it urself!!!
there is no need to look for something that isnt there, I made a comment as everyone else is doing.... constructive criticism, my opinion as urs is urs. its an informative forum not a dictatorship. offending u wasnt my purpose, however being attacked was uncalled for. have a nice day.

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There are some Poles who believe communism was good and some, basically a majority, who believe it was not. So, who has the "Real History" IP. To put blame on the west for what happened in Poland after WWII is revisionist history, IP. If you study both the Yalta and Potsdam transcripts of the proceedings, you might understand what happened there. Of course, nothing from the general agreements in Potsdam went the way according to plan and it was only after the fact that the elections were rigged. Of course, UK, France, and the US could have gone to war with the remnants of the Wehrmacht, but Poland might have protested anyway.

Of course, the same argument being used by you and Honey has also been used in Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, China, Indonesia, East Timor, and other countries after WWII. The US is the darn if you do and darn if you don't.

This is a complete mumbo jumbo Hudson. Your lack of knowledge is astounding. You are blaming Poland for the 50 years of communism?
Of course there were Polish people who believed in communism. They sold their polish souls and hearts for money and power. There always are weasels and scoundrels on earth.

Yeah, as if you studied transcripts of Yalta proceedings.

I really mean IE was right about you. Remember Antifascist? I start to miss him.

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I have a very good idea of what happened behind the Iron Curtain from hearing first hand accounts. this also includes what happened in Vietnam, Korea, and China. Perhaps you have heard of them or are you just Euro centrist? But that does not preclude from the fact that Some Poles were willing participants in those atrocities. Why do you think I said, "And Poland has done some nasty stuff." The atrocity near the Silesian forest were allegedly committed by the United Workers Party of Poland against the German minority. Two wrongs do not make a right, IP.

Again, you don't have any facts. You ****ed it out of your finger, so to say.
With your lack of knowledge it's possible.
I recommend you read up on history and don't continue on this subject, buddy.

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Originally posted by ntfd3:

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Originally posted by Honey …... What is your point?

U answered it urself!!!
there is no need to look for something that isnt there, I made a comment as everyone else is doing.... constructive criticism, my opinion as urs is urs. its an informative forum not a dictatorship. offending u wasnt my purpose, however being attacked was uncalled for. have a nice day.

to ntfd3: I do not understand you anger. If I offended you, I can apologize – but I did not mean to offend you at the first place. Not at all.
I feel sorry for German factories being closed and people loosing jobs but I can not understand how this can be blamed on Poland or CR. This happens everywhere, many factories were also closed in CR after 1989 (like we used to have a very competitive hand-brushed crystal … many of those were closed etc.), many of relatively ‘ok running’ factories we sold to foreign investors (like Cokoladovny were sold to Nestle and Danone – and they closed more than a half of factories Cokoladovny originally had), and I can go on. And this happens also here in the USA – goods from China, South Korea etc., cars from Japan …. And big 3 are closing factories (and not only them). Today is difficult to find something in store with the label “made in the USA”.
It seemed like you are against the presence of Poland, CR and other new countries in the EU. If you did not mean it that way, I will say ‘sorry’.
Because blaming the whole complicated economical status on one cause is not constructive. It is like saying that Jews were responsible for unemployment in Germany.

[Oil. Right. And you won't take it from infidels, you have to first free the country to take the oil in its pure form.
Gotya.[/QUOTE]

We prefer to BUY the oil, and we also prefer that the people of the nation producing the oil actually realize some benefit from it, as free people. We don't care what your religion is. You may care not to deal with infidels, but it really makes no difference to us, as long as you don't want to eliminate us because we don't believe in your religion. We just want you to be free, so that our future will not be affected by your self-appointed dictators. We have faith in the ability of well-informed humans to respect each other, but this only happens if the people are free and endowed with the power to govern themselves.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Honey:
Hudson, please, you cannot judge Poland when this country was communist (or CR, same thing).

You're making my point again. The people of Poland didn't have any power of self-determination, did they? Don't you think that the tenacity of the US contributed to the demise of your dictatorial USSR? And go back a few years to the Third Reich. Is there any doubt that a free Europe is in the best interests of the American people? Does that mean that we didn't do it for the European people, too? Just because we have a self-interest in your liberty doesn't mean that you won't benefit from our efforts. The idea is to empower the citizenry so that they can exercise their humanity in their governance of their own homeland. Then, because of our uniquely American confidence that human societies will gravitate toward the common GOOD, maybe they won't threaten us or people we have promised to protect. You seem to think that American self-interest is an exclusive concept. Not true at all. American ideal is to include YOUR best interests as essential to the protection of our own. We want the best for ourselves, of course, and our way of accomplishing this is to enlist your help by protecting your interests.

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[Oil. Right. And you won't take it from infidels, you have to first free the country to take the oil in its pure form.
Gotya.

We prefer to BUY the oil, and we also prefer that the people of the nation producing the oil actually realize some benefit from it, as free people. We don't care what your religion is. You may care not to deal with infidels, but it really makes no difference to us, as long as you don't want to eliminate us because we don't believe in your religion. We just want you to be free, so that our future will not be affected by your self-appointed dictators. We have faith in the ability of well-informed humans to respect each other, but this only happens if the people are free and endowed with the power to govern themselves.[/quote]

The sentence you quoted was meant to be sarcastic.
The rest of your post is misdirected as most, if not all posters on this forum, live in the US and are not of Middle Easter decent.

Poland doesn't buy oil....the cars in Poland use coal and old newspaper to fire their 3 hp engines.....no wonder there is such a dark cloud of pollution in and around Poland.

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Originally posted by Honey:
Hudson: What is your point here? I am not American citizen (yet), and even if I become to be USC, I will still be Czech too, so ...
BTW: it is linked with our previous conversation here; some of those 'superpower countries' simply like to stick their noses everywhere.
And the Russian reaction came because of AMERICAN base, buddy.

WWEEEELLLLL< I could care less what Russia does, has done, or is going to do. The point is that the Europeans are big enough to take care of themselves without their favorite whipping boy, the US, that seems to get blamed for everything. In other words, the US should direct its resources to other areas and not Europe.

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Originally posted by ntfd3:
I cannot imagine for one moment that America isnt doing it to benefit America. America isnt being the Police force of Europe, America is looking after thier own!!!!!! America asked the Czech Republic not the other way around... Look after each other for a safer world.....

The only thing I disagree with is that any base in Europe will not benefit the US, much less Europe.

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Originally posted by Honey:
Was it a tease or was it a snide remark?

So, now I am ntfd3?