...and when America says you are getting liberated, you better shut up and get liberated. After all, at over 3.7 million square miles (over 9.6 million km*2) America is a great country!
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
And, it's not for the oil. It's somewhat about the privilege of buying the oil from free people who will benefit from the resources of their land.
Aha... There ya go. I love Americans who speak single talk, not double. Oil. Right. And you won't take it from infidels, you have to first free the country to take the oil in its pure form. Gotya.
Come on, a regular American even does not know the basic geography so if I drop you off in Bhutan how long is it going to take you to find some oil over there? One hint, get at least 8km long drill
And, it's not for the oil. It's somewhat about the privilege of buying the oil from free people who will benefit from the resources of their land.
Aha... There ya go. I love Americans who speak single talk, not double. Oil. Right. And you won't take it from infidels, you have to first free the country to take the oil in its pure form. Gotya.
Sure, America needs pure resources only; what if the oil is haunted with some bad curse or spell ?
Does freedom in the Middle East, and killing the terrorists mean anything to you? If not, who cares. It means something to us, and I hope we stay there until it means something to Iraqis, too. And then maybe Iranians. And later maybe even Saudis. Maybe we should let the new Ottomans have you, Europe. Problem is that they won't be satisfied with Europe because they would ruin your societies and economies and then have to come over here and get what we have. Weren't you their ***** for about 1,000 years once?
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Originally posted by John Shorkey: Does freedom in the Middle East, and killing the terrorists mean anything to you? If not, who cares. It means something to us, and I hope we stay there until it means something to Iraqis, too. And then maybe Iranians. And later maybe even Saudis. Maybe we should let the new Ottomans have you, Europe. Problem is that they won't be satisfied with Europe because they would ruin your societies and economies and then have to come over here and get what we have. Weren't you their ***** for about 1,000 years once?
Buddy, I wish you a good luck. It seems to me you are a dreamer in some respect. Because this is the only thing that explains to me your saying “I hope we stay there until it means something to Iraqis … etc.â€. You think you can persuade somebody by force? Do you? My country was occupied by Austrian Empire for 400 years and they tried to assimilate us, to make us speak German, they tried to make Austrians from us, they did not want us to be Czechs at all. But even those 400 years were not enough; they NEVER conquered us and ultimately we regained our independence back after all. I have never understood the Arabic way of life; there are some things I am confused about, really – but this does not mean I am entitled to interfere into their way of life unless they ask me to do so. In my book I should respect their habits and traditions; we have our way of life, they have theirs. Do you think they care about ‘western’ principles of freedom? BS, they perceive you as invaders and intruders, somebody who is raping their countries and their way of life! Sure, I do understand that Arabic world should not threaten the rest of the world either but this subject should be taken care of by some World Wide recognized authority here (NOT United States) like United Nations. Once you let the USA to take the control over, the consequences will turn back over to us … making the USA to be a black sheep on the map of this planet and this is not fair to all the American people who will suffer from it (remember the 11.9.2001?). Sorry. And Ottomans really tried to conquer Europe in the past – partially they succeed but not for long. For sure not for 1000 years – go back to school and learn this part of the history. What was your point in this statement, anyways?
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I think his point is to justify the war in Iraq. The American general policy to bully her way through the world and democratize everyone, whether they like it or not. And by saying it means something to the American people: I think this ideology has slipped into minority, as evidenced by the last sweeping election.
My thinking: One has to sweep his own door step first, before going around attempting to sweep others. And, there is plenty to sweep up right here.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Originally posted by Kollerkrot: I think his point is to justify the war in Iraq. The American general policy to bully her way through the world and democratize everyone, whether they like it or not. And by saying it means something to the American people: I think this ideology has slipped into minority, as evidenced by the last sweeping election.
My thinking: One has to sweep his own door step first, before going around attempting to sweep others. And, there is plenty to sweep up right here.
Thank you Kollerkrot! I know that he is trying to justify the war in Iraq – but I think he is getting on a very thin ice here … And yes – as I already stated before – I fully agree that US should sweep in front of their own door first.
Originally posted by Kollerkrot: ...and when America says you are getting liberated, you better shut up and get liberated. After all, at over 3.7 million square miles (over 9.6 million km*2) America is a great country!
France, 1944-1946.
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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
Originally posted by Honey Thank you Kollerkrot! I know that he is trying to justify the war in Iraq – but I think he is getting on a very thin ice here … And yes – as I already stated before – I fully agree that US should sweep in front of their own door first.
shouldn't this apply to everyone After all, no country is innocent. Poland has done some nasty stuff in the past, it is just "forgotten" and replaced with "how bad America is?" And we can look at the Czech Republic whose own government "lied" about the economy. Then of course, we could look at China, France,, and Germany with their involvement in the oil for food scandal. Then, lets look at the UNDP scandal? To me, the UN is the most corrupt organization on this earth and yet you complain about the United States and probably place full faith in the UN? Why don't you go and sweep your back door, front door, and all the windows before you go and start criticizing about the United States.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
We weren't talking about scandals. Every country has good and bad. And of course there are scandals, that is part of life.
What I made reference to is Foreign Policy. America's foreign policy. Every since WWII, America is walking around the globe democratizing everyone, and if it just happens that they don't want to be....they use force.
I don't think this is right and I also think (I am very sad to say) this why 9/11 happened.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Regarding Somebody12's comments. I really don't want to waste my time reading those comments. There's other postings much more informative and worthy of our time.
obviously you must have, or else you wouldn't have an opinion....no doubt you would rather read the misguided rantings of hudson, coco****** or Iperson....but hey, morons seek out other morons....
We weren't talking about scandals. Every country has good and bad. And of course there are scandals, that is part of life.
What I made reference to is Foreign Policy. America's foreign policy. Every since WWII, America is walking around the globe democratizing everyone, and if it just happens that they don't want to be....they use force.
I don't think this is right and I also think (I am very sad to say) this why 9/11 happened.
China invading India, 1963, along with one or two other times. Kosovo: 1996-present. EU could not agree on what to do and practically begged the US to come in. Afterwards, certain groups, some of them wanting the US to do something, protested that the US should not be in involved. Afghanistan 1979-1988: No one would help the Afghan people except one, the US. They all criticized the USSR for invading, but also criticized the US for helping the same people whose country was invaded. Israel: Prior to 1968, France was the major supporter, militarily and economically, to Israel, not US. After the 6 day war, the US became the major supporter once France believed their colonial conquests would not be achieved. French Indo China: France's blunder in administrating to the Indo China peninsula. And the US only got involved because France did not want to support NATO. De Gualle was very anti-American and it went back to WWII because he believed he should have been SHAEF.
Before you post something like this again, try read up on international history, please.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
Originally posted by Honey Thank you Kollerkrot! I know that he is trying to justify the war in Iraq – but I think he is getting on a very thin ice here … And yes – as I already stated before – I fully agree that US should sweep in front of their own door first.
shouldn't this apply to everyone After all, no country is innocent. Poland has done some nasty stuff in the past, it is just "forgotten" and replaced with "how bad America is?" And we can look at the Czech Republic whose own government "lied" about the economy. Then of course, we could look at China, France,, and Germany with their involvement in the oil for food scandal. Then, lets look at the UNDP scandal? To me, the UN is the most corrupt organization on this earth and yet you complain about the United States and probably place full faith in the UN? Why don't you go and sweep your back door, front door, and all the windows before you go and start criticizing about the United States.
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Originally posted by Kollerkrot: Your funny!
We weren't talking about scandals. Every country has good and bad. And of course there are scandals, that is part of life. What I made reference to is Foreign Policy. America's foreign policy. Every since WWII, America is walking around the globe democratizing everyone, and if it just happens that they don't want to be....they use force. I don't think this is right and I also think (I am very sad to say) this why 9/11 happened.
China invading India, 1963, along with one or two other times. Kosovo: 1996-present. EU could not agree on what to do and practically begged the US to come in. Afterwards, certain groups, some of them wanting the US to do something, protested that the US should not be in involved. Afghanistan 1979-1988: No one would help the Afghan people except one, the US. They all criticized the USSR for invading, but also criticized the US for helping the same people whose country was invaded. Israel: Prior to 1968, France was the major supporter, militarily and economically, to Israel, not US. After the 6 day war, the US became the major supporter once France believed their colonial conquests would not be achieved. French Indo China: France's blunder in administrating to the Indo China peninsula. And the US only got involved because France did not want to support NATO. De Gualle was very anti-American and it went back to WWII because he believed he should have been SHAEF. Before you post something like this again, try read up on international history, please.
To Hudson: yes, I agree that none of the countries are innocent. There is always something wrong, we all are just humans (and not everybody is just and honest either). But my point is that even if you think that UN is the most corrupt organization on this earth, it is an authority where nations have their say so – or they should have. Well, UN may be corrupt but show me a single country on this planet whose government is not. Or at least some of their officials are.
See, I would love to sweep my back door, front door, and all the windows but I know that this would be a job for Sisyphus. The communists ‘heritage’ shall not go away so quickly there. Sorry, this is not my fault but I will feel the injustice of history till the day I die (and do not forget that also the USA let this happen to my country, it was not only Churchill who was in Yalta in 1943).
I NEVER said I criticized the USA. I just said some things should have been done in a different way. The USA standing against the USSR – YES, that made the World at least balanced; now when the USSR is gone, there is only one superpower and this country should not misappropriate its force. When there is something to be done, it should be done with consent of the majority of other countries, at least – and if you do not like UN, fine – establish a different organization, whatever.
Just one thing here; I am not sure when the Czech government was lying about the money (I would appreciate your specification) but I am sure that on 20.5.2006 something else happened that amused the whole world http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vk9YIVK_bg - it took me time to find a video with English subtitles for you (well, they pronounce their names wrong, but it is OK, I guess). See, I am not saying my home country is perfect; I am just trying to say we prefer not to interfere in other countries’ matters.
Finally, I do not fully agree with some of your descriptions – for instance about Kosovo. It was not the USA, it was NATO, UN units, KFOR and European Counsel who went there. Even Czech military specialists (we have e.g. experts for chemical weapons treatment) went there. Sure, there were Americans included too but everything was done AFTER consent of the majority of countries; it was not one country who decided to ‘settle the mess’ by itself. This is the point.
Once the USA starts to treat every single (even the smallest) country as a partner and will respect its rights and opinions fully and stop enforcing its will, then all the voices of criticism will stop.
Sure, this planet needs the USA and everybody should appreciate the help given! There were many conflicts in the history of this Earth and God bless all those who gave their lives in the name of freedom! But there is a big difference between US engagements in W.W.II. (and the US was ‘begged’ to come many times before they actually did … oh, just by the way US got to Europe only because mainly they realized Staling might ultimately grab it all) and US having its ‘private’ war in Iraq. This war was NOT approved by the UN.
And this is what the USA should realize – and I say it here because I love my new country. My husband was born here and my son too. If I did not love US, I would not have cared. On the other hand I do understand a few languages so and I am able to comprehend (unfortunately, maybe) what those other countries are saying about the USA. Sometimes it is good, sometimes not.
And – just by the way – I have MA in International Trade, International Policy & Diplomacy. Not saying I cannot be mistaken … everybody makes some of those. But for sure I studied a little bit of international history.
P.S. and if you US guys went to Iraq, why is it you did not take their guns at the first place and prevent these guys from killing each other?
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Poland has done some nasty stuff in the past, it is just "forgotten" and replaced with "how bad America is?"
Ok, I had no time to be on the boards today but once I lurk in the wee morning hours and what do I see?????????
What did Poland do that was nasty? I cannot think of one single thing. And don't start me on the false rumours that these were Polish people who created Holocaust, because I'll jump in through the computer screen, grab you by your shirt and smack across your face.
Originally posted by iperson: Ok, I had no time to be on the boards today but once I lurk in the wee morning hours and what do I see?????????
What did Poland do that was nasty? I cannot think of one single thing. And don't start me on the false rumours that these were Polish people who created Holocaust, because I'll jump in through the computer screen, grab you by your shirt and smack across your face.
You talked about the history of Silesia. Yes, Poland is known for the atrocities committed by the Nazis on Jews and other less desireable groups during WWII, but did you know about the atrocities that Poles committed on ethnic Germans at the end of WWII near the Silesian forest? This and the atrocities committed by Polish troops when it was a Communist country.
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After all, no country is innocent. Poland has done some nasty stuff in the past, it is just "forgotten" and replaced with "how bad America is?" And we can look at the Czech Republic whose own government "lied" about the economy. Then of course, we could look at China, France,, and Germany with their involvement in the oil for food scandal. Then, lets look at the UNDP scandal? To me, the UN is the most corrupt organization on this earth and yet you complain about the United States and probably place full faith in the UN? Why don't you go and sweep your back door, front door, and all the windows before you go and start criticizing about the United States.
