New research from an Oregon university shows an increase in drug and alcohol use among Hispanics who are considered “acculturated†into American society.
I'm always amazed at the politically-correct view of the Hispanic family. Hispanic family values are apparently wonderful, and they also apparently love their families so much that...well, by all accounts, Americans of other ethnicities don't love their families at all. This is, of course, absurd...and, often the opposite is the reality.
Hispanics apparently love their children so much that fewer than fifty percent of them, whether legal or illegal, are capable of graduating from high school...and, thus, must remain at home (or close to home) indefinitely. The rest of the American population shows its evident dislike for their children by encouraging them to graduate from high school and go to college...so that they can throw them out of the house as soon as possible.
Hispanics love their families so much that they often force their children to forgo the full opportunities of an American education by dropping out of high school..."to help pay the rent." How often have you heard that? This, of course, simply perpetuates the cycle of poverty. This is especially true when it's considered that the Hispanic population has an out-of-control teen birth rate, most of it unmarried. Soon, the high school dropout is not only helping to pay the rent, but also trying to support numerous children (with the financial assistance of the rest of the American population that selfishly encouraged their kids to go to college (leave home), get a good job and pay taxes).
Furthermore, many Hispanic kids grow up in families with just a passing interest in obeying the law. It starts with illegally living in America, and progresses to using fake identification, to driving without a license to working without authorization...and on and on and on.
Is it any wonder that the report's conclusions are as they are?
Instead of considering whether "living in the U.S. is bad for Hispanics," perhaps the more pertinent question would be: Are Hispanics living in the U.S. bad for America?
I'm sorry, but targeting Hispanics is racist. No, we don't need millions coming here illegally, but our borders are not secure, right? Mexico is doing practically nothing to boost its economy, right? If you, your wife, your kids were starving, what would you do? I'm against illegal immigration, but for God's sake, please take a step back and understand why it's happening. The US of A is allowing it to happen.
When I look into their shopping carts, they are truly frugal people. They buy the bare necessities to get by - and choose healthy food! They're not buying alcohol, cigarettes - just the basics to feed their families. Please lay off. They are people just like us trying to earn a living and provide for their families.
I feel sorry for your bitter, pathetic A S S . Whether you like it or not, you'll always live surrounded by hispanics, specially if you stay in Arizona. Perhaps you should go back to that lapdog-of-the-USA "country" you came from. We all would be very grateful if you did that...
After reading ProudUSC's politically-correct tear ****er, I note that he manages to throw around the word "racist." Evidently, he's been reading his talking points from the apologists for illegal aliens: when you don't have an argument, just call those with whom you disagree "racist."
Likewise, I note that Whknapp is also quite adept with the insults...while being unable to counter my position in any substantive way.
Singling out Hispanics is racist, SunDevil. I don't agree with the statistics you provided. It depends on the source of these statistics. Most are not accurate. Being against illegal immigration is not being racist, but picking on the Hispanic community is. There's a difference.
I have to say something about this. Sundevil is partially correct. One of my former wives is hispanic (no racist here). In their culture they generally don't put much emphasis on education. It was like pulling teeth to try and get my kids to finish school when their mom didn't think it was a big deal. Its not an absolute bias against education but on average there are more hispanics less concerned with education than others. Just averages here.
I think part of it has to do with the idea that any standard of living here is better than what they had in Mexico. So the ideals of reaching for lofty goals isn't as important. After a generation or two they seem to become like the rest of us.
You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
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If Hispanics don't care about education, like SunRabidUSA wants us to believe, I don't understand why in Mexico (pop. 100,000,000) more engineers graduate every year than in the US (pop. 300,000,000).
".. The result is a bu mper crop of engineers. Currently, 451,000 Mexican students are enrolled in full-time undergraduate programs, vs. just over 370,000 in the U.S. The Mexican students benefit from high-tech equipment..."
You do understand the difference between the wealthy and the poor don't you? Wealthy people in any country are educated and Mexico is no different. While I do not subscribe totally to what SunDevil has said there is one aspect he is correct about. I have witnessed it with my own eyes and there have been movies made depicting it (one movie springs to mind "Real Women Have Curves" with America Ferreira, the girl in Ugly Betty, that was on HBO for a long time). Their children may have opportunities for full scholarships that would require them to move far from home and they won't let them take it, going to school means you are not going to work and they need you to work so the little ones can go to school (and even that is because they will get in trouble legally if they don't send the little ones to school). The poor live hand to mouth and can ill-afford to let their children have opportunities that might help improve their overall situation. This myopic view perpetuates the cycle of poverty. I'm also not totally convinced that some of it is not jealousy (I didn't have the opportunity so why should you?). I am, however, willing to give the benefit of the doubt that this is not the major reason.
Proud USC, I was unaware that you can buy hard core alcohol or malt liquor in a grocery store. My understanding is that you can only buy that kind of thing in a bodega (corner store). In any minority community you will find an abundance of bars and liquor stores. Someone must be frequenting them if they are still in business. Let's not pretend that alcoholism doesn't exist in the Hispanic communities. It exists in every community. I understand SunDevil's frustration that recently the "Hispanic family values" has been held up as some kind of virtue to strive for. There are problems created by their belief system as in any other.
Proud USC, I was unaware that you can buy hard core alcohol or malt liquor in a grocery store. My understanding is that you can only buy that kind of thing in a bodega (corner store). In any minority community you will find an abundance of bars and liquor stores. Someone must be frequenting them if they are still in business. Let's not pretend that alcoholism doesn't exist in the Hispanic communities. It exists in every community. I understand SunDevil's frustration that recently the "Hispanic family values" has been held up as some kind of virtue to strive for. There are problems created by their belief system as in any other
I was referring to beer and wine, not hard core stuff. The point I was trying to make is they appear to be very frugal, not wasting money on things like many USC's (at least where I live). Nobody likes illegal immigration, but throwing remarks around about Hispanics (like SunDevil always does) is racist.
Originally posted by whknapp: If Hispanics don't care about education, like SunRabidUSA wants us to believe, I don't understand why in Mexico (pop. 100,000,000) more engineers graduate every year than in the US (pop. 300,000,000).
".. The result is a bu mper crop of engineers. Currently, 451,000 Mexican students are enrolled in full-time undergraduate programs, vs. just over 370,000 in the U.S. The Mexican students benefit from high-tech equipment..."
If they have the numbers given why isn't Mexico a technology leader? Why aren't we getting any of those sneaking across the border. We already know the answers to both questions. Someone should be preaching one word south of San Ysidro, Revolution.
You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
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Originally posted by whknapp: If they have the numbers given why isn't Mexico a technology leader? Why aren't we getting any of those sneaking across the border. We already know the answers to both questions. Someone should be preaching one word south of San Ysidro, Revolution.
Well, I think our southern neighbor is already moving in that direction (becoming a technology leader):
The Emerging Silicon Valley in Mexico:
""..Mexico has gained a strong reputation for its engineering talent..."
The thing to remember about Whknapp's posts is that they're always good for a laugh.
Mexico is a leader in corruption, crime and poverty...NOT technology (as Davdah eloquently points out).
I'll give the "leaders" of Mexico some credit...they routinely (and without apparent shame) export their people for America to support and provide for, thus also exporting those who otherwise might be demanding better.
It's ironic, however, how the Mexican government, having willfully failed to provide any educational or employment opportunities to Mexicans in Mexico, shamelessly proclaims its undying devotion to Mexicans in America. The sheer hypocrisy is spellbinding.
Originally posted by SunDevilUSA: The thing to remember about Whknapp's posts is that they're always good for a laugh.
Mexico is a leader in corruption, crime and poverty...NOT technology (as Davdah eloquently points out).
I'll give the "leaders" of Mexico some credit...they routinely (and without apparent shame) export their people for America to support and provide for, thus also exporting those who otherwise might be demanding better.
It's ironic, however, how the Mexican government, having willfully failed to provide any educational or employment opportunities to Mexicans in Mexico, shamelessly proclaims its undying devotion to Mexicans in America. The sheer hypocrisy is spellbinding.
The thing to remember about my posts is that (unlike yours) they are based on articles from reliable sources and they are not based (like yours) on stupid, biased, blind, bitter, irrational opinions. Keep vomiting all those sick, hateful statements without citing any sources (besides your sick, twisted mind). Let's see whose posts are more laughable...
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Yeah, right. The Mexican Government must be the owner of BusinessWeek now. I forgot ignorant people don't read business magazines. I used to think your posts were childish and inmature. Now I think they're just like you: worthless. I won't waste my time replying to such an idiot anymore. Get a life, and say "Hola" to your neighbors. ROTFLMAO
IMMIGRANT FAMILY FIGHTS TO BEAT THE ODDS SISTERS VOW TO GRADUATE, JUST AS THEIR BROTHER DID
By Jason Wermers jwermers@news-press.com Originally posted on August 19, 2007
Alexia Ramirez is well aware she doesn’t face the best odds of succeeding.
The 14-year-old, who lives in the Manna Christian RV Park in Bonita Springs, will begin her ninth-grade year at Estero High on Monday.
She knows of friends like herself — immigrants — who have not made it through high school, succumbing to pressures of drug abuse or to the call to work to support the family.
But she has an example to follow. Her 18-year-old brother, Luis, graduated from Estero last spring.
The family emigrated from Matamoros, Mexico, first to Texas, then to Lee County, seven years ago.
Luis and Alexia learned English in Lee County schools. Alexia was beneficiary of bilingual teachers in second and third grades.
She already is starting to lend a hand to immigrant children coming up behind her. She has served as a volunteer tutor at New Horizons Super Kids Club in Bonita Springs for children who speak little or no English.
“The little kids are learning at a young age so they can succeed later in life,†Alexia said. “I like teaching people something, but mostly the little kids.â€
Michelle Ramirez, 11, followed in her older siblings’ footsteps. She is about to enter fifth grade at Spring Creek Elementary, the same school her sister attended. And because she was not yet in school when the family arrived in the United States, she learned English at home from Luis and Alexia.
“I was scared my first year,†Michelle said. “I didn’t know anybody.â€
But she made friends. And her teachers helped her master English.
“They’ve done well,†she said of her teachers. “They helped me a lot in school.â€
Sergio and Josefina Ramirez work to support their children. Sergio is a construction worker; Josefina cleans a clubhouse at a nearby apartment complex.
Luis Ramirez is setting his sights on earning a college degree. Alexia and Michelle hope to follow his example.
Alexia said she wants to become an English for Speakers of Other Languages teacher in the United States. Michelle would like to be a social worker in Mexico when she grows up.
“It’s good,†Alexia said of the Lee County school system. “They taught me a lot more stuff that I wanted to know than when I was in Mexico.â€
Why do Chinese and Asian immigrants do so well in school in the U.S.? They are not any smarter, so the only other logical explanation must be that they value education more. I don't understand why so many people come to this country and DROP OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL.
Explora, your posts are usually nonsensical. Your latest post only adds to your string of not relevant posts. Thank you.
Hispanics might value families more, but no one can honestly deny that there is a big presence of "Machismo" in their culture as well.
Families are closer, but women and children are more abused (physically and sexually). I don't think that you can credit a society for their family values, but ignore the brutalities that are present.
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