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Originally posted by 4now:

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Originally posted by mike_2007:
NY Times, Jan

A former supervisor with the federal Citizenship and Immigration Services office in New York was sentenced in Federal District Court on Thursday to 42 months in prison for taking bribes in exchange for granting citizenship to ineligible applicants, prosecutors said. The defendant, Jimmie Ortega, 59, of Lindenhurst, N.Y., admitted that from 2004 to 2006, he used his position as an adjudications officer to obtain citizenship for at least 20 immigrants in exchange for payments of $1,500 to $4,000, said Michael J. Garcia, the United States attorney in Manhattan. Mr. Ortega, who retired in April 2006, pleaded guilty last July to conspiracy and soliciting bribes, prosecutors said.

Now I wonder if they are going to dig up those 20 that received citizenship and review the applications. I hope so. these people are not off to a good start by bribing to get citizenship. Not the kind of moral character we are looking for in this country.

And this sleeze adjudicator right inside the uscis. so imagine with the outside contractors that cover up fraud to make nice package for I/o to approve.

These numbers cant be real.. this guy worked 4cheap

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Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:

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Where oh Where in the post other than in your own mind did you manage to come to the conclusion that I thought Mandela should be treated different?

Compare your comments here: http://discuss.ilw.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f//m/6...#

and here: http://discuss.ilw.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f//m/6...#

You said, not me, that:

Ahmad is inadmissible ‘based on his past.’

Mandela is inadmissible ‘by USA weak standards.’

... only in my own mind? You’re the one who made the comments, not me; you’re the one who’s changing positions, not me; you’re taking the position that’s convenient and self-serving, not me, you twit.

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Speak to Condi Rice, Rep Berman and Sen. Gregg about why they are jumping hoops on why is this different. IT WAS MY POINT RN.... but as usual you missed it

Oh c’mon, kiss dc’s arse, now that’s your point. Again, compare your comments in the two cases.

What do these mean?

Your comment about Mandela: “Ok guys..This is perfect example of Boom.. one day you are on the list! hope you are seeing the big picture about how and why "who is deemed terrorist" by USA weak standards. This relates back to the story of the language interpreter that could not adjust his status because of the group he once belonged to.”

As compared to some of your comments about Ahmad such as this: “No one has turned their back on anybody. Mr. Ahmed remains in this country on asylum. He was given a special visa to do translator work along with 500 or more other people. I have a fiend(sic) in Germany who does the same. I do not believe it is reasonable thinking to expect becuase(sic) someone has held a temporary job for a number of years to in turn expect to get a permanent job. After all they were told it was temporary to begin with and that there were no guarantees. It is not shameful or stabbing in the back, Nor is it unfair.”

And this: “Again, I ask.. Would you feel the same way if he had a nazi(sic) past?

USA uses people of no scrupples(sic) all the time. the same that usa(sic) uses spies who double spy etc. They get a visa to be here. This was a job to translate. Mr. ahmed went a little further in hopes to get brownie points to clinch a green card.

Can you honestly tell me that this person's past doesnt(sic) leave you feeling just a little queasy?”

Plus this: “Very Simple... He doesnt(sic) qualify per uscis(sic) standards as outlined in their denial.

elementary my dear.. do you need crayola to help you better understand?”

Haha! Proving that you’re clever doesn’t necessarily come as an offshoot by insulting me, brainy (I'm very much tempted to say,‘t ra nn y’).

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I still maintain the usa has weak standards when it comes to deeming groups "terrorist".

Again.. another point. Americans should not automatically accept who usa deems as a terrorist. (do a little research and decide yourselves)

What??? No. No. Noooo! You didn’t say this when we were discussing about Mr. Ahmad’s case. You dwelt in his past KDP membership, and that the USCIS was justified when his AOS was denied. Again, refer back to the link that I’ve given above to refresh your memory.

Don’t give me this ‘I still maintain usa(sic) has weak standards when it comes to deeming groups “terrorist”’ stinking heap of c-r-a-p. How can you ‘maintain’ something that you came to realize only now? Does s.e.x. reassignment operation really corrupt brain functions?

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Homeland security seems to agree by this quote:

He says the issue "raises a troubling and difficult debate about what groups are considered terrorists and which are not."

Funny. Look back at our discussion about Ahmad, the Iraqi translator.

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And while you are asking Condi and the gang about that... also you may want to ask why they joined the bandwagon to place them there on the list back then anyway.

Now.. Who says hamas is terrorist and by who's standard

Much funnier. Well, you ask the agencies that you used to defend in Ahmad’s AOS denial.

(Oh, by the way, how’s your prosthetic pink d0ng working? Me, envious? Nah! Beyond happy with the real thing).

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Originally posted by 4now:
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You want to make them appear different. Wrong! They're the same more than you would want to accept it. Again, all due to your silly flare for pinkish spin.

Never tried to make them different. both were inadmissable . The conversation about Ahmed was relative to a greencard thats all. no spin


Both Ahmad and Mandela are inadmissible. Both of their old organizations are on the terrorist watch list. Even if Ahmad is applying for permanent residency (denied) and Mandela is ineligible for admission, there's only one letter of law that applies to both. It's INA Section 212 [8 U.S.C. 1182] entitled - GENERAL CLASSES OF ALIENS INELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE VISAS AND INELIGIBLE FOR ADMISSION...

Please read it all the way down so you may know what I mean. Oh, just one word of caution, that's written in pure ENGLISH. Sorry.

RN.. you would have to be a fr iggin idiot to think or believe that I didnt know that. Perhaps you are. I am starting to believe that you just like to hear yourself talk/write.


I am not defending Mandela's denial. it is the uscis policy. BTW.. mandela wa no saint or angel you know. It just became the media spin and frenzy .

I didn't say that, did I? What caught my interest was the 'glaring absence' of the 'unyielding' and 'uncompromising' stance in Mandela's case compared to the former.

I may be wrong, though unlikely, in translating, nope, deciphering this line about Mandela: 'hope you are seeing the big picture about how and why "who is deemed terrorist" by USA weak standards.'

What other possible meaning is there for the phrase 'hope you are seeing the big picture?' I don't know, but it sounds so 'yielding' and 'compromising' to me. I'm wrong? Ok, what can I do?

Well you could always apologize for misreading what was being said.


A lie. You're a liar. That's aside from being a funny a...le! Perhaps I'll start believing you had you been writing 'USA' in capital letters. That's the first step. Expert my b...

Calling me a liar now.. ok Twisted sister once again mudslinging, trying to cast aspersions..oh yea with the "expert" thing that you said not me. And of course, as always, resorts to little spelling/language police...OK USA. Well since you feel you are the language expert... perhaps you can assist me in completing the following





Now you have a nice day baby and yall come back now ya hear.

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Originally posted by 4now:
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You want to make them appear different. Wrong! They're the same more than you would want to accept it. Again, all due to your silly flare for pinkish spin.

Never tried to make them different. both were inadmissable . The conversation about Ahmed was relative to a greencard thats all. no spin

Denial! Denial! Denial (tra nny) queen!

What other meaning, I wonder, this paragraph could have: “The discussion about Ahmed was about uscis procedure in denying a greencard based on the standards used. I will refresh.. You and others felt he should have been given the card soley on his serving time in the military for usa... and that was the sole issue of discussion and my position on it. Uscis followed guidelines. Nelson mandela is not applying for a greencard. the issue that the two have in common is the Terrorist List that labels organizations as belonging to Terrorist groups.”

Oh, nice, you agreed that what’s common between the two cases is that they’re both ‘inadmissible’ pursuant to one relevant law. (I said that by the way, not you. Thank you for agreeing).

I’m not surprised though. Of course, what else is new? It’s my ‘lack of reasoning and poor comprehension skills’ and, oh, it’s because of the ‘fr iggin idiot’ in me at work once again!

No spin? Ok, how about ‘twist?’ Oh my, oh my... 'twisting' and 'denying' what's more obvious than sunlight that’s said and written by you yourself! Who’s the ‘fr iggin idiot?’ Me?

Both Ahmad and Mandela are inadmissible. Both of their old organizations are on the terrorist watch list. Even if Ahmad is applying for permanent residency (denied) and Mandela is ineligible for admission, there's only one letter of law that applies to both. It's INA Section 212 [8 U.S.C. 1182] entitled - GENERAL CLASSES OF ALIENS INELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE VISAS AND INELIGIBLE FOR ADMISSION...

Please read it all the way down so you may know what I mean. Oh, just one word of caution, that's written in pure ENGLISH. Sorry.

RN.. you would have to be a fr iggin idiot to think or believe that I didnt know that. Perhaps you are. I am starting to believe that you just like to hear yourself talk/write.

Oh my... oh my... me, not knowing what I cited??? I cited it, not you!

This was what I only said: ‘Please read it all the way down…’

And whether you know that law or not is outside of my concern. That’s not the point, yeah? I cited the relevant law because of your attempt to set the two identical cases apart.

But of course I know what you’d say. That’s not what you meant when you said that, it’s my comprehension problem, etc., etc.

What else? Let’s see... oh, ‘that I just like to hear myself talk/write.’ Ahh no, wrong again. Sorry. Because I know, and I’m 100% sure about it, that I have at least one listener/reader: YOU! Tee-he, tee-he!

I am not defending Mandela's denial. it is the uscis policy. BTW.. mandela wa no saint or angel you know. It just became the media spin and frenzy .

I didn't say that, did I? What caught my interest was the 'glaring absence' of the 'unyielding' and 'uncompromising' stance in Mandela's case compared to the former.

I may be wrong, though unlikely, in translating, nope, deciphering this line about Mandela: 'hope you are seeing the big picture about how and why "who is deemed terrorist" by USA weak standards.'

What other possible meaning is there for the phrase 'hope you are seeing the big picture?' I don't know, but it sounds so 'yielding' and 'compromising' to me. I'm wrong? Ok, what can I do?

Well you could always apologize for misreading what was being said.

‘... apologize for misreading what was being said.’ That’s new. WhooHoo! And the proof is... is... yes? Silence... deafening silence.

A lie. You're a liar. That's aside from being a funny a...le! Perhaps I'll start believing you had you been writing 'USA' in capital letters. That's the first step. Expert my b...

Calling me a liar now.. ok Twisted sister once again mudslinging, trying to cast aspersions..oh yea with the "expert" thing that you said not me. And of course, as always, resorts to little spelling/language police...OK USA. Well since you feel you are the language expert... perhaps you can assist me in completing the following

Yes, you’re a liar. Prove me wrong. And I’m waiting! I pleaded guilty to being a ‘novice’ as charged.

But once again, c’mon you ‘fr iggin idiot,’ what other meaning do you want attributed to this statement of yours: ‘You are the novice here in realizing these things RN, not me. I have known for many years about how usa government politically does with certain groups.’? Tell me, you ‘fr iggin idiot!’

Huh! ‘spelling/language police.’ That’s not the point! It’s more than just spelling or grammar... always remember, it’s far, far more than that... it’s the value of the English language that this country holds dear and high, yes, this very country that adopted you.

Clue: why do you think you had an English test when you applied for naturalization?

It’s part decorum, part etiquette, part respect. Yes, it’s the same language that you perpetually corrupt – by your rubbish words and thoughts, and your trashy manner in conveying them, on a public access forum no less.



Vowels don’t come cheap for those who are opposed to profanities.

Consider this returned to sender! ‘ Which’ is the more appropriate receiver. You accuse me of slinging mud, so then you’re slinging what?

Oh, I have seen at least ‘one’ fly applauding over your stench!

Now you have a nice day baby and yall come back now ya hear.

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Yes, you’re a liar. Prove me wrong. And I’m waiting! I pleaded guilty to being a ‘novice’ as charged.



Why would I prove you wrong when you have not proved that I AM a Liar you dipchit. the burdon of proof of this statement is on you.

But once again, c’mon you ‘fr iggin idiot,’ what other meaning do you want attributed to this statement of yours: ‘You are the novice here in realizing these things RN, not me. I have known for many years about how usa government politically does with certain groups.’? Tell me, you ‘fr iggin idiot!’



Huh! ‘spelling/language police.’ That’s not the point! It’s more than just spelling or grammar... always remember, it’s far, far more than that... it’s the value of the English language that this country holds dear and high, yes, this very country that adopted you.

ROFL. Sounds like a personal problem 2me.if only you knew how stupid you sound. Get a grip Bip.

Clue: why do you think you had an English test when you applied for naturalization?

It’s part decorum, part etiquette, part respect. Yes, it’s the same language that you perpetually corrupt – by your rubbish words and thoughts, and your trashy manner in conveying them, on a public access forum no less.

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Originally posted by Sprint_girl07:


4Now..that isn't very nice, wash you mouth out!

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Originally posted by 4now:

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Yes, you’re a liar. Prove me wrong. And I’m waiting! I pleaded guilty to being a ‘novice’ as charged.



Why would I prove you wrong when you have not proved that I AM a Liar you dipchit. the burdon of proof of this statement is on you.

Ok, you want proof? I said it before and I'm saying it again now. You asked for it, I'll be happy to give it to you back again and again on end. This is your exact forum profile:

> an immigrant with skinhead and nativist mentality.

> attacks the government leadership for all other matters, but attacks people when it comes to immigration.

> questions the slow visa process for own case (pending sibling petitions), but blames the illegals instead of blaming the government.

> claims to be more AMERICAN than the rest, but so un-American say, for not trying to polish up English language skills for a start. Evidence? Messy posts in blatant violation of basic grammar and writing rules. (Hopefully English writing is not required in your full-time job).

> too effeminate to be a man (avatar-obsession and of all colors why PINK?), but too obtrusive to be a woman (Hah! like a raging tiger when teased).

You'll use nails and teeth to 'deny' these points. Anyhow, what else is new? But, bingo! that soundly proves my point, you're a LIAR.

Therefore, 'the burdon, ehe! burden of proof' is absolutely 'overcome' beyond reasonable doubt!

But once again, c’mon you ‘fr iggin idiot,’ what other meaning do you want attributed to this statement of yours: ‘You are the novice here in realizing these things RN, not me. I have known for many years about how usa government politically does with certain groups.’? Tell me, you ‘fr iggin idiot!’



Huh! ‘spelling/language police.’ That’s not the point! It’s more than just spelling or grammar... always remember, it’s far, far more than that... it’s the value of the English language that this country holds dear and high, yes, this very country that adopted you.

ROFL. Sounds like a personal problem 2me.if only you knew how stupid you sound. Get a grip Bip.

Me? "With personal problem? How stupid I sound?"... "you think that what is in your mind solely will become truth and fact simply just(sic) because you pen it in a public forum"?

Get a 'drip' ehe! I mean grip, you 'bot' ehe! 'pig' ehe! never mind.

Clue: why do you think you had an English test when you applied for naturalization?

It’s part decorum, part etiquette, part respect. Yes, it’s the same language that you perpetually corrupt – by your rubbish words and thoughts, and your trashy manner in conveying them, on a public access forum no less.

Like I told you ... get some help for your mental disorder. you think that what is in your mind solely will become truth and fact simply just because you pen it in a public forum. The only thing corrupt here is you and your thought process. You are a j erk and this is not about my writings. you insult the members intelligence here on this one. You are a hater... you pick and choose who you wish to verbally attack. If you were so worried about the english language being corrupted on a public forum.. you would be correcting Hudson's atrocious spelling 10 times a day. But never once have I seen you do it because you are phonier than a three dollar bill.

"... get some help for your mental disorder..." and "It’s more than just spelling or grammar... always remember, it’s far, far more than that... it’s the value of the English language that this country holds dear and high... It’s part decorum, part etiquette, part respect."

Hudson's misspellings are clear lapses, but decorum, etiquette, and respect he does possess. And most of our positions on issues coincide. It's human nature, where only those with differing views collide, right?

You are the type to want to sling it about, but when you have to bend over and take it, then you want to cry about the pain. Well get over it Miss insignificant and move on. the Ignore button is always at your fingertips.

Pink significant, move on. The ignore button is just a click away. I just like to hear myself write and talk, right? Why do you listen or read?

I could care less what you have to say back and it will be more of the same hot air anyway, so dont bother wasting your key strokes.

'nuff said.

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Originally posted by 4now:

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Originally posted by Sprint_girl07:


4Now..that isn't very nice, wash you mouth out!

Ah... the concept is only in the mind and what you make of it.
@ sprint.. Why do you admonish me and why should I wash my mouth and you did not give same to RN? Just curious

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Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:

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Originally posted by 4now:

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Yes, you’re a liar. Prove me wrong. And I’m waiting! I pleaded guilty to being a ‘novice’ as charged.



Why would I prove you wrong when you have not proved that I AM a Liar you dipchit. the burdon of proof of this statement is on you.

Ok, you want proof? I said it before and I'm saying it again now. You asked for it, I'll be happy to give it to you back again and again on end. This is your exact forum profile:

> an immigrant with skinhead and nativist mentality.

> attacks the government leadership for all other matters, but attacks people when it comes to immigration.

> questions the slow visa process for own case (pending sibling petitions), but blames the illegals instead of blaming the government.



> claims to be more AMERICAN than the rest, but so un-American say, for not trying to polish up English language skills for a start. Evidence? Messy posts in blatant violation of basic grammar and writing rules. (Hopefully English writing is not required in your full-time job).

> too effeminate to be a man (avatar-obsession and of all colors why PINK?), but too obtrusive to be a woman (Hah! like a raging tiger when teased).

You'll use nails and teeth to 'deny' these points. Anyhow, what else is new? But, bingo! that soundly proves my point, you're a LIAR.

Therefore, 'the burdon, ehe! burden of proof' is absolutely 'overcome' beyond reasonable doubt!

But once again, c’mon you ‘fr iggin idiot,’ what other meaning do you want attributed to this statement of yours: ‘You are the novice here in realizing these things RN, not me. I have known for many years about how usa government politically does with certain groups.’? Tell me, you ‘fr iggin idiot!’



Huh! ‘spelling/language police.’ That’s not the point! It’s more than just spelling or grammar... always remember, it’s far, far more than that... it’s the value of the English language that this country holds dear and high, yes, this very country that adopted you.

ROFL. Sounds like a personal problem 2me.if only you knew how stupid you sound. Get a grip Bip.

Me? "With personal problem? How stupid I sound?"... "you think that what is in your mind solely will become truth and fact simply just(sic) because you pen it in a public forum"?

Get a 'drip' ehe! I mean grip, you 'bot' ehe! 'pig' ehe! never mind.

Clue: why do you think you had an English test when you applied for naturalization?

It’s part decorum, part etiquette, part respect. Yes, it’s the same language that you perpetually corrupt – by your rubbish words and thoughts, and your trashy manner in conveying them, on a public access forum no less.

Like I told you ... get some help for your mental disorder. you think that what is in your mind solely will become truth and fact simply just because you pen it in a public forum. The only thing corrupt here is you and your thought process. You are a j erk and this is not about my writings. you insult the members intelligence here on this one. You are a hater... you pick and choose who you wish to verbally attack. If you were so worried about the english language being corrupted on a public forum.. you would be correcting Hudson's atrocious spelling 10 times a day. But never once have I seen you do it because you are phonier than a three dollar bill.

"... get some help for your mental disorder..." and "It’s more than just spelling or grammar... always remember, it’s far, far more than that... it’s the value of the English language that this country holds dear and high... It’s part decorum, part etiquette, part respect."

Hudson's misspellings