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I live in the US legally for 15 years and is a GC holder. I was deported to my country in 2001 for CMT - embezzlement. I have accepted a plea bargain agreement and was sentenced to 18 mos. in federal. I am doing well in my country and would like to apply for a visitors visa. I tried applying and I was denied because of my criminal record. What are the chances of my being approved for the waiver and do I need to file any other forms. Thanks appreciate any help/suggestions.
 
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How much did you steal?


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Christen,
If you were deported, you need to file the I-212 along with the I-601. The I-601 will address the CIMT and you have 2 ways to go:
1) Proving extreme and unusual hardship on your USC spouse or fiance.
or
2)Proving rehabilitation for yourself, note that 15 years need to pass since the crime was committed though.
 
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It may also depend on the amount taken and the severity of the prosecution.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Originally posted by NeedHelpFast:
Christen,
If you were deported, you need to file the I-212 along with the I-601. The I-601 will address the CIMT and you have 2 ways to go:
1) Proving extreme and unusual hardship on your USC spouse or fiance.
or
2)Proving rehabilitation for yourself, note that 15 years need to pass since the crime was committed though.

He is not looking to immigrate, just visit.

As far as the waiver is concerned, well if you do not try you will never know. Chances, so many variables. Best to have a chat with a LAwyer familiar with your Consulate.
 
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Theone,
Is there a way to just visit after a deportation??
 
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2cryin. WHY US????? But At Least she is honest. Now! Roll Eyes

I Respect The HONESTY "ABOVE ALL". Good luck! Wink

Let me Think About it????

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dCWUiBn2yXc

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Honest? Not much of a choice if she wants an informed answer to her dilema. Not by choice my friend, but of necessity. The real test is when the thruth is optional.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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to NHF -- sorry, but your posting regarding an I 601 is a mistake....an I 601 does not apply to any nonimmigrant visa category except K1 (and more rarely, K3)....in order for this thief to get to visit my country, he would have to (a) qualify in all respects for a toursit visa -- which means, the embassy would have to believe that he would return to whatever country he is living in now, and not violate the terms or rules that govern activities for a B2 visa holder [like not using it to go shoplifting or steal cars, or embezzle funds from some company)...then, if by some miracle this happened, he could then (b) ask for a nonimmigrant waiver, under section INA 212 d 3 a....but the embassy officials can recommend (or not) the approval of said waiver, then DHS adjudicates the waiver...if they approve it, he would most likely get a single entry visa...but if he used this opportunity for some other unlawful purpose, well, he should expect a ton of misery...
now...so, no I 601, no hardship to some random spouse, etc...he may also need an approved I 212 because he is most likely inadmissable for a period of time following his deportation (usually ten years), and once again, hardship is not considered....all in all, it sounds doubtful given his history that all of this would happen....which is just as well, since we don't need to import thieves and embezzlers to America....
 
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to NHF -- sorry, but your posting regarding an I 601 is a mistake....an I 601 does not apply to any nonimmigrant visa


Yeah, I misread the question. I was assuming he wanted to immigrate here. Above suggestion was for an immigrant visa. Thanks for clarifying.
Back to my question regarding non immigrant visa's post deportation....I did not realize that someone deported could apply for a non immigrant visa due to the 10 year bar. How do you get around the ban for a B2?
 
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I would like to try to apply for the INA 212 d 3 waiver. What form should I use? Hey guys Hope springs eternal! He who has not sinned cast the first stone and see if it hits you back 001_rolleyes Thanks for any info any good guys can give.
 
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Hi Christen,

Please see below:

http://www.greencardbase.com/page.asp?id=311

THE 212(D)(3) WAIVER

The Following Article Was Prepared By ~~ American Immigration Attorneys, LLP
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THE 212(D)(3) WAIVER – You may still be eligible for a US Visa


Recently our law firm has been receiving more and more calls from clients who wish to come to the United States, but believe that because of some “indiscretion” in the past they are not eligible for a visa. In some cases, we have been happy to inform our clients that these misdeeds don’t necessarily preclude them from coming to the United States, because they are eligible to apply for a waiver.


This article seeks to offer a brief explanation of the broad-based generic waiver allowing nonimmigrant visa applicants to overcome many grounds of inadmissibility. The scope of this article is to explain the law where such a waiver is available. It will not, therefore, delve into other waivers that may be available, or categories of inadmissibility or removeability for which waivers or other forms of relief are not available. This article is not intended to be a substitute for legal advice, as many nuances exist in immigration law, especially as they pertain to the facts of specific cases. For complete advice regarding your individual case, you should consult with an immigration attorney.



NONIMMIGRANT VISAS

In the case of persons seeking nonimmigrant visas, the section of the Immigration and Nationality Act (I.N.A.) that provides for a waiver is 212(d)(3). Nonimmigrant visa holders are those who have entered the United States with permission, for a temporary period, with conditions attached. Examples include visitors for business or pleasure, students, H-1B visa holders and other temporary workers, treaty traders and investors, intracompany transferees, and foreign government officials.



GROUNDS COVERED BY THE WAIVER

A waiver under section 212(d)(3) of the I.N.A. allows nonimmigrant applicants to overcome many grounds of inadmissibility. Some of the grounds that are covered by the waiver include permanent grounds of inadmissibility, such as fraud or criminal conduct, as well as some grounds that are limited in duration, such as previous unlawful presence.


One recent case in which we have sought a waiver for a client involved a Canadian citizen who was inadmissible because of a conviction for possession of less than one ounce of marijuana over 30 years ago. At the time of his conviction, the client was just 18 years old, and the punishment inflicted was a mere fine of $100 Canadian. Although the Canadian government had no record of the conviction, United States Customs had asked the client about the conviction when he sought to enter the U.S., and had refused to grant him admission.


Another recent client seeking a waiver had been convicted of petty theft during a visit to the United States four years earlier. The charge was a misdemeanor, and the client had pled guilty and paid a fine of $300. When the client went to the U.S. Consulate to renew his nonimmigrant visa, they had refused to grant a renewal, and had even revoked the visa of the client’s wife.



FACTORS USED IN DETERMINING WHETHER TO GRANT A WAIVER

According to the statute, the waiver involves a discretionary decision to be made by the Attorney General. The Attorney General has delegated this decision making power to the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS, formerly the Immigration and Naturalization Service). Therefore, although the person seeking the nonimmigrant visa will often apply to the U.S. Consulate office closest to where they reside, the application will in most cases be forwarded to CIS.


The factors to be balanced by CIS were enunciated in a case called Matter of Hranka, decided in 1978. This case involved a Canadian citizen who had previously resided in the United States but had been deported in 1975 for having engaged in prostitution. She also had a history of heroin use. However, following her deportation she had returned to Canada and apparently had become a contributing member to society. The alien wished to obtain a visa so she could make trips to the United States in order to visit family, dine at restaurants, attend sporting functions, and for other social reasons. The Immigration and Naturalization Service denied her application because they stated sufficient time had not passed to demonstrate that she been rehabilitated and that her reasons for wanting to visit the United States were not sufficiently compelling. The Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA) decided that the alien was eligible for such a visa because the alien had been rehabilitated, despite the short period of time that had passed, and that she need not show compelling reasons for wishing to visit the United States.


Matter of Hranka enunciated the following factors to be balanced in the discretionary adjudication process:


1. The risk of harm to society if the alien is admitted;

2. Seriousness of the alien's criminal or immigration violation or other ground of inadmissibility; and

3. The alien's reason for wanting to come to the U.S.



Thus in Matter of Hranka, the relative seriousness of the grounds of inadmissibility were balanced against the minor risk of harm to society presented by admission of the alien because of her rehabilitation and her justifiable reasons for wanting to come to the United States.



OTHER PROCEDURAL CONSIDERATIONS

As discussed above, the waiver is granted by the CIS, even though the visa is initially sought from a U.S. Consulate. In cases where a client knows in advance that he or she may be ineligible based on one of the grounds listed above, it is best to seek the waiver contemporaneously with the filing of the visa application, rather than wait until the visa application is denied. Although a client can seek reconsideration of a visa denial, this is not a good choice of strategy.


A fee is generally not required when applying for the waiver, if the visa is being sought at a U.S. Consulate. However in cases where the alien is exempt from obtaining a visa (primarily Canadian citizens), a fee is required along with the waiver application.


For waivers in consular processing cases, the duration of the waiver is usually the same as the duration of the nonimmigrant visa sought. For waivers where no visa is required (primarily Canadian citizens), waivers were can be granted for up to 5 years.



COMPARING THE 212(d)(3) WAIVER WITH OTHER WAIVERS

There are many waivers available under the I.N.A., but most of them are for aliens seeking immigrant visas (permanent residency). Two examples of these waivers include the I.N.A. section 212(h) waiver for inadmissibility based on criminal grounds, except drug related crimes, and the I.N.A. section 212(i) waiver for immigration-related fraud or misrepresentation. These waivers requires a showing of extreme hardship to the alien’s United States Citizen or Lawful Permanent Resident spouse or parent (or child in the case of 212(h)). Alternatively, the 212(h) section waiver can be sought when 15 years have passed between the filing of the visa application and the criminal ground sought to be waived, the alien’s admission would not be contrary to U.S. welfare, and the alien can show he or she has been rehabilitated.


Case law regarding the definition of “extreme hardship” demonstrates that this is a tough standard to satisfy. Where an alien is inadmissible based on a criminal ground and less than 15 years have passed since conviction, but the alien is otherwise eligible for both an immigrant and nonimmigrant visa, it is often better to seek a waiver under I.N.A. section 212(d)(3). The alien can then be admitted under the nonimmigrant waiver, and wait to apply for the section 212(h) waiver until the passage of 15 years, where the lower standard becomes applicable.


The waivers available for persons seeking nonimmigrant visas cover fewer grounds of inadmissibility. One such waiver is the I.N.A. section 212(d)(4) waiver for aliens not in possession of a passport, visa or border-crossing card, usually granted on the basis of an unforeseen emergency. Another waiver is the I.N.A. section 212(d)(1) waiver for government informers. A third waiver is the I.N.A. section 212(d)(3) waiver for victims of human trafficking or other victims of criminal activity. Waivers are also available under I.N.A. section 212(a)(9)(A)(iii) for aliens who have been previously removed or under I.N.A. section 212(a)(9)(C)(iii) for aliens who have entered without inspection. Both of these waivers require the passage of certain amounts of time since the alien last departed the United States, depending on the seriousness of the immigration law violation. Finally, a waiver is available under I.N.A. section 212(d)(5) called discretionary parole. This provision allows for the temporary admission of aliens for “urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit.”



Recommended Immigration Attorney

Steven Riznyk has been practicing immigration law for 15 years dealing with a variety of complex US immigration applications, problems and appeals.


Steven can be contacted for Immigration Consultation and Services at:


American Immigration Attorneys, LLP

www.ClearedForLanding.com
 
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This is an informative article Proud. INA section 212 is the immigration law that is referred to, via the I601 waiver which covers the various inadmissibilities spoken of. My question was pertaining to the I212 waiver, which covers a deportation which is different than the I601 which covers inadmissibilities. Does that make sense?
Deportation is a seperate bird and comes with a ten year ban that needs to be addressed through a seperate I212 waiver.
My original question was can you use the I212 waiver for a non immigrant visa. I have found out that you can, it says so right on the form.
I.N.A 212 is confusing with it's numbers because it has the same number as the I-212 waiver for deportation.
I just didn't realize this waiver could be used for a tourist visa.
 
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I'm not sure, but I believe these could be the instructions and forms that you need, Christen:

Instructions:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-192instr.pdf

Form:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-192.pdf

Hi NHF,

I interpreted the article I posted that that a person who has been deported is eligible to apply to enter as a nonimmigrant. Perhaps one of the more knowledgeable members here will correct me if I am wrong. Smile
 
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Originally posted by christen:
I live in the US legally for 15 years and is a GC holder. I was deported to my country in 2001 for CMT - embezzlement. I have accepted a plea bargain agreement and was sentenced to 18 mos. in federal. I am doing well in my country and would like to apply for a visitors visa. I tried applying and I was denied because of my criminal record. What are the chances of my being approved for the waiver and do I need to file any other forms. Thanks appreciate any help/suggestions.




Hello

Your ban is not over yet, is this correct?


Regardless whether you are non immigrant or immigrant intended visa, you will still need the 212 waiver for the deportation. Circumstances at the time will determine if approved or denied by usa.

Aften your ban has been served for the green card being revoked due to the deportation, then you will need the 212 waiver (for the deportation offense)to apply for the tourist visa .(non immigrant visa)



Can you tell us more info about your case? Wht was your orignal greencard based on ? family or employment? If family, was it from a marriage, a parent/other family member?

If so, they may be other avenues. Was this your only run in with the law?


Also, what is the reason being stated for you wihing to visit. job interview, do you have children here, parent etc? these will be determing factors for approval/denial. If you have relatives etc, it will be an excuse for denial based on immigrant intent.
 
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Originally posted by ProudUSC:
I'm not sure, but I believe these could be the instructions and forms that you need, Christen:

Instructions:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-192instr.pdf



Form:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-192.pdf

Hi NHF,

I interpreted the article I posted that that a person who has been deported is eligible to apply to enter as a nonimmigrant. Perhaps one of the more knowledgeable members here will correct me if I am wrong. Smile



HI PRoud

"Case law regarding the definition of “extreme hardship” demonstrates that this is a tough standard to satisfy. Where an alien is inadmissible based on a criminal ground and less than 15 years have passed since conviction, but the alien is otherwise eligible for both an immigrant and nonimmigrant visa, it is often better to seek a waiver under I.N.A. section 212(d)(3). The alien can then be admitted under the nonimmigrant waiver, and wait to apply for the section 212(h) waiver until the passage of 15 years, where the lower standard becomes applicable."

My interpretation is that because the situation is 2 fold for the CIMT, that this excerpt is referring to such. for example:

Once his 10 yr ban is over for deportation, he still must overcome the 15 year limit if he will apply for coming for immigrant intent. He can get around this limitation by applying for non immigrant visa waiver 212d (like f-1) if approved, stay here legally for 4 to 5 years and be eligible for the 212h waiver.

He still has to be eligible.

This article mostly spoke of those that were on f1, hib tourist overstays, etc.non immigrant)

both of these cases used in the article were of instances where the parties had previusly been deported on non immigrant visas.

this person was deported from immigrant standpoint. He must overcome/complete the 10 yr ban in order to apply 212d waiver to get approval for a b2/f1 etc., and comply with terms.
 
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I would like to try to apply for the INA 212 d 3 waiver. What form should I use? Hey guys Hope springs eternal! He who has not sinned cast the first stone and see if it hits you back 001_rolleyes Thanks for any info any good guys can give.


Hi Christen,

There's some additional information regarding 212 waivers at this website:

http://immigrate2us.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=23
 
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Originally posted by 4now:
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Originally posted by ProudUSC:
I'm not sure, but I believe these could be the instructions and forms that you need, Christen:

Instructions:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-192instr.pdf



Form:
http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-192.pdf

Hi NHF,

I interpreted the article I posted that that a person who has been deported is eligible to apply to enter as a nonimmigrant. Perhaps one of the more knowledgeable members here will correct me if I am wrong. Smile



HI PRoud

"Case law regarding the definition of “extreme hardship” demonstrates that this is a tough standard to satisfy. Where an alien is inadmissible based on a criminal ground and less than 15 years have passed since conviction, but the alien is otherwise eligible for both an immigrant and nonimmigrant visa, it is often better to seek a waiver under I.N.A. section 212(d)(3). The alien can then be admitted under the nonimmigrant waiver, and wait to apply for the section 212(h) waiver until the passage of 15 years, where the lower standard becomes applicable."

My interpretation is that because the situation is 2 fold for the CIMT, that this excerpt is referring to such. for example:

Once his 10 yr ban is over for deportation, he still must overcome the 15 year limit if he will apply for coming for immigrant intent. He can get around this limitation by applying for non immigrant visa waiver 212d (like f-1) if approved, stay here legally for 4 to 5 years and be eligible for the 212h waiver.

He still has to be eligible.

This article mostly spoke of those that were on f1, hib tourist overstays, etc.non immigrant)

both of these cases used in the article were of instances where the parties had previusly been deported on non immigrant visas.

this person was deported from immigrant standpoint. He must overcome/complete the 10 yr ban in order to apply 212d waiver to get approval for a b2/f1 etc., and comply with terms.


Thanks for the clarification, 4Now. Smile It makes sense that the 10 year ban needs to be fulfilled before applying for the waiver.
 
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