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Originally posted by davdah:
I get it, so the original plea wasn't completed then. If not then they should bring him in and cut his b.alls off and 40 lashes. That would be my plea bargain if I were the prosecution,...next case.

Why be so kind Davdah?

With civility being what it is you can't get away with real punishment any more. But, since you asked.

I would hang him by his feet so he is suspended about 10 feet off the ground at the business end of a shooting range. It would be set up so he would swing back and forth between the left and right sides like a clock pendulum. He would be blind folded and gagged.

On the other end a firing squad, also blind folded and instructed to fire down range. That way none of them would know who got him. Let em have at it until someone gets lucky.

Hudson,

Most plea agreements are just that, an agreement, subject to conditions. If you get a charge dismissed and one reduced to the "lesser included offense" (that's the only acceptable plea) then you must plea of guilty. The purpose of most agreements is to ensure a conviction and allow for a smoother, quicker, less traumatic process and, in cases such as the present one, spare the victim the pain associated with the right of the accused to confront the accuser in court.

When it comes to double jeopardy, it's a tricky question, all the state needs to show is that the offense is not the same one previously charged. There are plenty of federal charges that can be brought against this person without double jeopardy implications.

Regarding unlawful flight, most states charge contempt. Others could charge obstruction. The "unlawful flight" is basically one that's uniquely federal and the purpose of the statute is to provide assistance to states by giving the Marshals power to arrest for the specific crime (under the unlawful flight pretext) regardless of any geographical implications, this prevents a fugitive from avoiding the consequences of criminal acts by simply crossing state lines.

Would you go along with my idea of a plea agreement?

Put him in jail for only a few days, tell inmates he is there for raping 15 years old child , see how swift justice can be.

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Originally posted by Hudson:
Yes Davdah and Aroha, he has pleaded guilty to a lesser offense under a plea bargain arrangement. However, a judge can reject (a rare occurrence) a plea bargain or the new prosecution can reject a plea bargain (at least that is what some prosecutors have said).

Again, if the court accepts the guilty plea to a lesser offense, a misdemeanor and we follow established procedures in 1977, then the plea bargain should remain intact. Should it not? If the prosecution revokes the plea bargain, has the defendant really plead guilty to a crime?

It is not as simple as he has plead guilty because we really do not know if he plead guilty under an offense contract or a sentencing contract.

I am not defending the guy Davdah and Aroha, but I do find the legal predictament fascinating. Most of this is really murky water.

I didn't think you were defending him and I know you like to look at the ins and outs. I'm interested in how they're going to deal with it as well.

It seems to me that if all he was waiting on was sentencing, he had actually been convicted as the sentence is rarely handed down the same day as a guilty verdict or plea. If that's the case, the conviction would still hold, wouldn't it?

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It seems to me that if all he was waiting on was sentencing, he had actually been convicted as the sentence is rarely handed down the same day as a guilty verdict or plea. If that's the case, the conviction would still hold, wouldn't it?

From what I've been reading, he was waiting for the official decision on sentencing from the Judge (Rittenband). While on bail some photos of Polanski showing him at the Oktoberfest enjoying himself supposedly came into the hands of the prosecution. Polanski got wind of this and never returned to the USA because he feared Rittenband would revoke the plea bargain.

David Wells, a "bit player" from the original prosecution at the time now admits he lied about the case when interviewed last year on an HBO special.

cnn.com

The bit that I don't understand is why he was given permission to travel to Europe before sentencing was carried out? Kinda dumb in retrospect.

7,000 unemployed Americans lose their lifeline every day

By Tami Luhby, CNNMoney.com senior writer
On 10:14 am EDT, Thursday October 22, 2009

Another day, another 7,000 people run out of unemployment benefits.

One month after the House passed a bill extending unemployment benefits, the issue is still being debated in the Senate.

Democratic leaders in the Senate introduced a bill two weeks ago to lengthen benefits in all states by 14 weeks. Those that live in states with unemployment greater than 8.5% would receive an additional six weeks.

Senate Republicans want to add several amendments, including one that would pay for the extra benefits with stimulus funds rather than by extending a federal unemployment tax.

While leaders in both parties are trying to negotiate a compromise, Senate Democrats Wednesday took a step to bring the bill to the floor as early as the end of next week. If it passes, the Senate legislation must then be reconciled with the House version, which extends benefits by 13 weeks in high-unemployment states.

Meanwhile, the bickering has cost people like Crystal Jordan of Dolton, Ill., their benefits. The single mother of three ran out in late September.

She is one of the 1.3 million people set to lose their benefits before year's end if Congress doesn't act, according to the National Employment Law Project, an advocacy group. In October alone, more than 200,000 people will fall off the rolls.

Lawmakers twice lengthened the time people can receive checks to as much as 79 weeks, depending on the state.

Jordan lost her administrative support job in the spring of 2008. She had never been unemployed before and hasn't been able to find work since, despite sending out 10 resumes a day.

Jordan is also finishing her bachelor's degree in business management. She hopes that will give her the edge she needs to find a job in 2010.

The $1,000 check she received every two weeks allowed her to pay the rent and feed her family. Now, she doesn't know how she'll cover next month's bills.

"I am fearful we will all end up on the street because I can't find a job and have no income," Jordan said. "Everyone's household is extremely tight at the moment so I cannot lean on friends or family for any support."

More Americans than ever before are in Jordan's situation. More than one in three people who are unemployed have been out of work for at least six months, according to the law project. The unemployment rate hit a 26-year high of 9.8% in September.

"We're talking about people who've been unemployed for well over a year," said Judy Conti, federal advocacy coordinator at the law project. "If they had savings, it's gone. This is their last lifeline."

Gregg Rock, a business strategy consultant, drained his savings after joining the ranks of the unemployed in summer 2008. He was forced to move back to his mother's home in Huntington, N.Y., for the first time in more than 20 years.

With so many people looking for work, Rock feels his best chance is land a new job is through networking. But it costs him $18 just to trek into Manhattan, not to mention $4 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks, where he often meets people who he hopes will lead him to a job.

Rock's benefits ran out last week. Now, he says, he'll be forced to drive a cab at night or take a bartending job just to earn enough to keep job hunting.

"Unemployment is what allows you to afford to be out there networking," Rock said

Watch this.


You have to wonder. Why do they need to invent something that eliminates the pain from being hit in the head with a shovel?

Hold up. I'm still stuck on the article MIR posted - lol!

Here's an example of the media trying to dig at the heartstrings of people to get their point across. First, they cite an unemployed, single mother of three? Why? Because, people will be concerned about the children. There was no mention if the lady was ever married to their father{s}, nor if child support is involved. So, it makes one deduce there's no father(s) in the picture. It angers me when people keep popping out kids and rely on government aid to support them. Maybe I misinterpreted the story, but I don't think so.

Okay, so the guy in New York, I presume is single. A former yuppie, no less. Moved back home with his parents and I suspect pays nothing. And he can't think of any other way to get a job but spending $18 traveling to the city to buy a $4 cup of coffee to network? He could network via computer at home and save $22 per day by doing so. And hand that savings over to his folks to help pay his meals!!!!

The entitlement issues of people just kills me. I feel genuinely bad for hard-working people who lost their jobs, but for people who sit back and decide government assistance is the only answer, I have no sympathy, unless they are truly disabled.

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Originally posted by davdah:
Watch this.


You have to wonder. Why do they need to invent something that eliminates the pain from being hit in the head with a shovel?

LOL!! You can here the "TINK" must have a plate in his head.

Dallas police ticketed 39 drivers in 3 years for not speaking English

Dallas police wrongly ticketed at least 39 drivers for not speaking English over the last three years, Police Chief David Kunkle announced Friday while promising to investigate all officers involved in the cases for dereliction of duty.

Pending cases will be dismissed, and those who paid the $204 fine for the charge, which does not exist in the city, will be reimbursed, Kunkle said.

"I was surprised and stunned that that would happen, particularly in the city of Dallas," Kunkle said. "In my world, you would never tell someone not to speak Spanish."

dallasnews.com

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Originally posted by Brit4064:
Dallas police ticketed 39 drivers in 3 years for not speaking English

Dallas police wrongly ticketed at least 39 drivers for not speaking English over the last three years, Police Chief David Kunkle announced Friday while promising to investigate all officers involved in the cases for dereliction of duty.

Pending cases will be dismissed, and those who paid the $204 fine for the charge, which does not exist in the city, will be reimbursed, Kunkle said.

"I was surprised and stunned that that would happen, particularly in the city of Dallas," Kunkle said. "In my world, you would never tell someone not to speak Spanish."

dallasnews.com

While I believe that people who come to the US should learn English, as far as I know, it isn't against the law to speak another. Totally ridiculous. I guess the Dallas Police Department was running short on funds.

Running short on brains more like Proudie

Those Few Dallas Idiots Gave Power To the others!!!

Suits Coming!!

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Originally posted by MakeItRight!:
Those Few Dallas Idiots Gave Power To the others!!!

Suits Coming!!

and Sunglasses. LMAO

Why are you laughing your a.ss off? That's not funny.

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Originally posted by OldE:
Why are you laughing your a.ss off? That's not funny.

Inside joke. Sorry. Those on the outside would not get the humor.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITI...ter.anger/index.html

Analysis: Anger, frustration fuel Election Day 2009

By Paul Steinhauser, CNN Deputy Political Director

November 3, 2009 10:34 a.m. EST


Two people react at a health care town hall meeting in Reston, Virginia, in August.

Washington (CNN) -- As voters across the country head to the polls Tuesday, one thing appears certain: Many of them are angry.

And that anger could shape the results of three of the most high-profile elections this year -- gubernatorial battles in New Jersey and Virginia and the fight for an open seat in New York's 23rd Congressional District.

National polls indicate that many voters are in a foul mood. The big question is whether that mood will continue into 2010, when the entire House of Representatives, more than a third of the Senate and more than a third of the governorships are up for grabs.

"We're in the middle, I think, of a political rebellion going on in America," House Minority Leader John Boehner said Sunday on CNN's "State of the Union." "And this rebellion is by people who really have not been actively involved in the political process and they don't really care if you're a Democrat or a Republican. They want to see people who are going to stand up and protect the future for our kids and grandkids."

The victory by the grassroots on the right over the moderates and the Republican Party structure in New York 23 could foreshadow more fights ahead for the GOP, as the party tries to rebuild following election defeats in 2006 and 2008. But the energy currently on the right is powerful, and that could come in very handy in next year's crucial elections.

Anger could also be a factor in New Jersey and Virginia, the only two states that hold gubernatorial contests in the year after a presidential election. For the past 32 years, the party that won the White House lost Virginia the next year. It's been the same story in New Jersey for the past two decades. History may repeat itself in 2009.

"Right now it looks like Republicans and conservatives are angry and energized to vote in the midterms next year," said Stuart Rothenberg, editor and publisher of the nonpartisan Rothenberg Political Report.

Anger is a major factor in the New York 23 race, which has grabbed national attention. The House seat in the district in northern New York state opened up after nine-term Republican Rep. John McHugh stepped down after being confirmed as Secretary of the Army.

Republicans have represented this area of the state since 1872. But in last year's presidential election, President Obama edged out John McCain in the district.

Local Republican leaders picked state assemblywoman Dede Scozzafava as their nominee because they felt her moderate views would appeal to centrist Republicans, independents and even some Democrats. But the move sparked a revolt among many conservatives, who were angry with what they called Scozzafava's liberal views on same-*** marriage, abortion, and on fiscal matters such as the federal stimulus. They backed Doug Hoffman, an accountant, who is running on the Conservative Party line.

Scozzafava suspended her campaign on Saturday after she nose-dived in local public opinion polls following a flood of support and contributions by some top conservative names and organizations for Hoffman.

Scozzafava then endorsed Bill Owens, the Democrat in the race, and campaigned for him on Monday. Conservatives protest Biden appearance for Owens.

In Virginia, the most recent polls suggest that the Republican candidate, Bob McDonnell, the state's former attorney general, holds a double-digit lead over Democratic candidate Creigh Deeds, a lawmaker from the rural western part of the state. While the battle for Virginia will be won or lost because of state issues and the candidates themselves, the contest can also be partially seen as an early test on Obama and his policies.

"The race in Virginia is partially about the broad national environment, how the two political parties are doing, and how the president is doing," Rothenberg said.

McDonnell's campaign appears to be trying to nationalize the contest by linking Deeds to the Democrats who control the White House and Congress. A McDonnell television ad says: "Creigh Deeds supports Washington's job-killing policies."

At a debate in September, Deeds was asked by the moderator if he was a "Barack Obama Democrat."

"I would try to escape that by saying I'm a Creigh Deeds Democrat," responded Deeds, who also acknowledges that "a lot of what's going on in Washington has made it very tough."

If Republicans win back the governor's office, they "could now show they are alive and well and they are competitive in Virginia, but it also sends a national message about the Republicans' ability to come back in the Obama era," said Mark Rozell, a professor of public policy at George Mason University in Virginia. Voters out early in Virginia

Democrats also control the other governor's seat up this year, in New Jersey, where Gov. Jon Corzine is fighting for a second term and for his political life.

Corzine trailed his Republican challenger, former federal prosecutor Chris Christie, in the polls during the summer but has pulled even in just about all recent surveys.

The polls suggest Corzine has increased his backing among fellow Democrats, but growing support for independent candidate Chris Daggett may also be a major contributing factor.