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None of the reasons you've given so far to justify your statements are valid.

For the lack of argument another mumbo jumbo.

My justification is the civilization of life as opposed to the civilization of death that the US brings to the world. It's not just the cola and McDonalds, it is the wars and destruction.

Very much agree with you Frank32825.

look, Maria, the way you feel about black people is the way alot of Americans feel about you. Instead of talking so much Krap about them why dont you try to understand them, not all are bad, I have thousands of black friends, and while some do use the "its because I am black" excuse not all of them do. You would think that becuase we and I mean we, because although I am an American citizen, I come from a family of immigrants. Dont you know that we are a minority, blacks are also a minority, If we unite we would be huge, but racist immigrants like you, just dont get it.

I ran into this site by accident hoping to find somthing useful about immgration,instead i found racist ******* like maria.by the way i never liked any latina by that name.what you said about blacks is the samething being said about latinos and low life immgrants like maria or whatever is your name is.just to get back to your hateful comments,let me say this.i would agree with you,had you said some blacks but you said all black people.with all terrible things that were done and being done to afro americans,they stillin any level of government and any important field doing great.racist and hateful people like maria will never stand,history proved that.you are wrong when you said south africa under white rule was the richest country and today is poorest under blacks.south african economey grew 10% under black leadership,two times more than under white leadership.blank middle class grew by 50/.the reason you can't find devloved african country is because they been under white rule for centries,robbed and ripped off while west is being deploved.do you expect africa to catch up west in just 50 years or less under unfair trade and world bank loans.latin america was not ripped off like africa was,how come you still very poor?why did you run a way from your stupied country.in concluson,this is my first posting and i do not intend to post again.just stay hateful and disrespectful like that,what goes around comes around.you said blacks have half brain ,the same thing was said to women and proved to be wrong.i'm going to copy your comments and fax it to all civil rights movment.you will be deported for hate speech. clean your big p*****

What can you say about that white comedian who made a racial slur using the "N" several times in his show?

to maria,i just read the following article in local newspaper:some latino pahrump residents have been harassed.lucero enrriquez,the owner of mi ranchito market in pahrump,received an anonymous postcard last week that said,in part,(we are sick to our stomachs of seeing latinos on every street walking with 2 or 3 kids and the mother has 2 more in her belly.you people are draining and abusing our welfare system and we are frankly sick of it).george romero,owner of pahrump's romero's mexican restaurant,said he got a call on friday from an unidentified man who told him,( if i didn't like the ordinance,i could get out of town ).

Maria,

I witnessed a young white boy watch "Roots." He was really angry at those bad white people. If he was so angry you can imagine the feelings a small black boy. Especially when that anger is
fostered and they are made to feel they are victims and the situation hopeless. Jesse Jackson,Gangsta Rap and militant black groups encourage the rage. When asked "How do you feel about what you saw?" The little white kid said he was glad the black people had their problems solved now. He's had black teachers and seen
distinguished black leaders. There isn't a great deal of white "guilt" in generations coming up now. Black Generations who know nothing but living on Welfare and handouts are
losing these subsidies. The govt is telling them to go to work.

There is something seriously misguided in the mind of kids who will kill another kid for a pair of tennis shoes or football jacket. Where did these priorities come from?

It is sad. But, the change has to come from within the black community. Black parents who are tired of losing their children need to save their children. The good news is some leaders are emerging from the black community who are
telling it like it is and they are telling black parents to take responsibility. Hopefully more will listen and people like you won't be shouted down just for asking a question.

It's sad..how many more black parents have to bury their children for it to change..I don't know. How many jail visits will it take to make them decide to do something for the ones still at home? When will black parents wake up and sacrafice for the future of their kids?

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this is not about somebody just asking questions.this is about a racist who made a hateful and disrespectful comments against entire black race. i careless about jesse jackson,gansta rap or milita black.you need to get rid off the problems in your community first.like serial killers,pedphiles,racist and corporate crooks.then,only then,you can tell other people to strighten up their community.

africa, I am not sure if you are african or not.

I am an african male. I dont think that this is a good way to react to such an issue. Take a step back and read. There is no need to be so defensive. You have to face the reality: african americans have a lot of issues to resolve on their own and unfortunately many black leaders are more concerned with their bank accounts than dealing with the real issues. It's true white people have many issues like any other race, but those issues are not talked about much, especially in the media. If I were you, I would take this as a positive thing. As the media focuses on what wrong with african americans, the community response should be to show the world that they are better than that. Of course, the media will always invent something new, setting the bar higher everytime. In the end, who wins? The black community because they would have cleaned alot of stuff. On the other hand, the white community will be misguided with overlooked issues. I dont think that is good for anyone.

Consider for instance the idea that african americans have babies out of wedlocks. The media is so focused on it that we miss the underlying issue. CNN recently reported that 36% of americans babies are born out of wedlock. Uhm, if african americans represent 13% of the population and all of them were not married, I wonder where the 23% of children born out of wedlock come from. I am not advocating here that it is good or bad to have children out of wedlock, but just pointing out there is an underlying issue that the society is missing. Could it be because people would rather stay together than have that piece of paper, named marriage licence, which would bring them alot of trouble? Could it be that marriage as an institution does no longer have the social value it once held? The society as a whole is missing the point because people are focused on pointing the fingers to a particular group. What is the point really?

Another problem: having fewer children.

Why is it that the media is keeping it quite although it is a real threat to the society?

This is all economics driven. The truth is, white people represent the majority of the population, meaning the majority of customer base. As a capitalistic system at its best, would a corporation upset this segment? Absolutely not. Whatever this segment of the population does, the media will put a spin on it to make it look good. If all white people decided today that they want to smoke cigarette, trust me there will be new scientific evidence that smoking is a good thing. If they decided to stop drinking, alcohool will become the new target of all the lawsuits.

The economics drives most things these days.

Now, how can you expect to get the same treatment when you only represent 13% or less of the population? I dont think confrontation is the solution. You can ask the goverment to pass all imaginable laws, the truth is it all will come down to how much are you economical worth.

So, instead of calling the activists and all that, why dont you go out and ask your brothers to clean their stuffs? I dont need Jesse Jackson or other black leaders to speak up for me, all I need is average black people like you to show a little respect for themselve in how they handle themselve in the society. For, your behavior relfect on me no matter how hard I try to make my life and the life of my family better.

Africa,

Maria is a black man. What is your problem with black who disagree with you? And, What is your problem with Latinos?

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We should start by admitting to the truth, racism is alive and well in this country and it's a growing trend. Folks often say there's no such thing as a racial problem in the 21st century but still, most people have very strong "profiles" of what different races are and how they behave. Back in the 80's, all drug dealers were "black", now they're all "hispanic". Fact is that drug dealers come in all sorts of colors but nobody is willing to admit to that, it's easier to target a whole group than it is to actually study and understand the problem for what it really is.

The U.S. Constitution clearly disapproves of racism in any way, but it took more than one hundred years for the legal system to recognize that very fact because, after all, the law being more than the interpretation of justice by men presented difficulties and often endorsed acts now considered to be criminal conduct. Many members of congress have been involved with radical groups and others have clearly opposed the civil rights movement of the late 1960's. Racism has not gone away, it has changed now targeting different groups.

It's always an argument in immigration talk how legalized immigrants would be entitled to public benefits. But the argument never looks at how the same immigrants would be ordered to pay taxes. Racism is again a player here, having an underprivileged class is appealing to many people, they feel better about themselves by looking at those people who "have it worse". Back in the 60's it was "them boys" and "can't throw a rock without hitting one of them"... now the argument is the same but against immigrants.

Some people don't want to offer legal status to aliens who "broke the law" and at the same time rally at some state prison to ask the governor to pardon a convict on death row. Breaking the law is a huge factor as long as it preserves that underprivileged class. People smile when they get a warning instead of a ticket, but that's only good when it happens to them, not others. Some people here post about "following rules" and call other insult others on a regular basis thus violating the terms of service imposed by this board. In reality, they want "OTHERS" to follow the rules, but they don't do that themselves.

Talking to a racist is like talking to a little kid in the middle of a tantrum, it's simply impossible to maintain a conversation of substance. The arguments and ideas are often backed by irrational explanations, distorted facts, lies and misrepresentations. That's why education is the enemy of racism, an educated person is able to look beyond the lies and deceit and evaluate things for what they really are.

Blacks, whites, we're all the same and should be judged by what's in our hearts and not by the color of our skin.

Huston,

Assume, the whole planet walk to your door and say: Huston, we agree with you, racism exists in this country. Now what?
The government is doing what it can to reduce it. Even George Bush admitted (during his visit to NAACP last year) that racism still exists in this country. Do you need a better evidence?

There is a difference between people calling you names and treating you differently because of how you look, although the two are related. Names calling leads to generalization and hence, differential treatment based on the association with the names. This necessary implies that if one wants to stop differential treatment, one should stop name calling. However, history has thought us that this approach is less effective. They called you negroes, you asked to stop that, they called you black, you asked to stop that and now are calling you african american. But regardless of the name under which you have been, the same or similar issues have surfaced and associations of the new name to the behaviors have been made.

You still want to keep going and asking people to stop this, stop that, etc. What do you want to stop on your own?

I agree with you that the bad behaviors of african americans are overrated and the laws aren't helping that much. But think about it for a second: you are not the only minority here. Why arent the chinese or native americans called cracked head? Because it is hard to find them selling or using that thing.
Or even better, they say crimes rate in your cities are higher than other cities. Have you taken steps to investigate this claim or are you just sitting there and blamming it on racism? Real motivation for this? very simple: since you have "higher" crime rate, then insurance companies will charge you more, the law enforcement has easier job in throwing more of you in jail for almost anything. Yet, you are still sitting there pointing fingers while your hard earned money is going to finance beach party of someone else daughter.
Do you want to do something about the city crime rate statistics? Pick up your phone and set up an appointment with the Department that registers crimes. Find out for yourself what is happening and what can you do to improve the situation. You do not agree with the report, then you have the right to challenge it. You may not win, but trust me, the following year the Department will be very careful in registring crimes.

There is no need for you to play the victim. God does not make victims. Someone want to victimize you? stand for yourself! This does not necessarly mean to get physical with people. You can do it in a civilized manner and without even raising your voice.

Unfortunately, what is happening is that you get distracted with other things while other people are sneaking behind your back and stricking you hard. And for as long as you keep behaving like that, the only thing you will be doing is to react, point fingers to who did it to you for a day or two. After that, you get back into your distraction until the next round.

Any challenges that you are facing are not going to be resolved by anyone else but you. The government can help, but change and solutions will have to come from within.

And finally, I suggest you scrach this statement you made:

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Blacks, whites, we're all the same and should be judged by what's in our hearts and not by the color of our skin.

I am suggesting it for two reasons:
First, it does not help you: why? because the word "should" is an indication of something idealistic. The real world is not. If a run a gas station and 9 out of 10 black customers that a receive try to rob me (this is a pure hypothesis), the next time I see a black customer, I for sure will take my precautions no matter how much I believe people should be treated equally.

Secondly, I am not genius enough to be able to know what is in your heart. The only way I can read you is through my interaction with you. I associate what you do with my prior experiences and assumptions and you have the opportunity to ovewrite as well as reinforce them. No matter how clean your heart is, people will assess you from outside and based on what you say. So, next time you are dealing with someone of a different background, think about it: Am I going to reinforce or overwrite his/her assumption that I am so and so? At the same time, open your mind to the possibility that s/he has an opportunity to change your assumptions as well. Until then, have a wonderfull week.

What's in a person's heart inevitably reflects upon their actions and that's pretty easy to evaluate. I may not look black, arab, indian, hispanic or asian, but it doesn't mean that I'm indifferent to the struggle of others who demand simply what's granted to them by the Constitution. Color of skin is only one factor though, some people use "material possessions" to judge a person, but in any case, these judgments are unfounded and damaging to our society.

You see a person in ragged clothes and you assume the person is going to rob you, but you don't have the same "feeling" about a clean-cut individual wearing a business suit. What you don't know is that well-dressed man may be packing heat under that $300 coat.

What I'm trying to say is simple, "actions speak louder than words", what a person does is material, how that person looks like or where that person comes from is not. Most people don't even know the faces of all members of the House of Representatives, people may not know how many black or white people work there, but what they do is material and their actions affect every single one of us.

Playing victim? What are you talking about? I'm not the one being insulted all the time, and even if I was, I wouldn't care, this is just a public board and nothing else. What bothers me is hypocrisy. Some folks feel they have the authority to "insult" others because they've "broken the law" but while doing so, they're breaking the terms of service of this place and they don't seem to care. The phrase "FOLLOW THE RULES" applies to all. I don't have a clue what challenges you think I should be facing, and I honestly don't care, I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is not a place to deal with personal issues but a place to talk about the law and discuss legal matters and trends.

If you get involved with immigration law you'll see the Act is plagued with racism and profiling. That's something that should bother everybody. The problem with racism is that it tends to find its way into the statutes, it becomes institutionalized, it slowly destroys society. Racism has caused armed conflicts and horrific wars, it's a social issue with potentially dangerous implications.

The bottom line is that you, like everybody else, are entitled to like or dislike people based upon whatever beliefs you may have, that's protected by the Constitution as long as it does not transpire into criminal activity. You cannot, however, impose your personal point of view as a matter of law in direct conflict with the Constitution, you can't prosecute the same type of conduct you endorse and promote.

yeah,yeah,finally,maria is a black man.i'm an african male like you kumna.i agree some africa americans have a lot of issues to work on.however i reject generalization and stereotype.i said in my first comment that i would agree with maria,had she said some blacks.

Just FYI, evidences and historical documents point to Africans as the earliest people. So, the whites are actually the blacks' descendants.

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Just FYI, evidences and historical documents point to Africans as the earliest people. So, the whites are actually the blacks' descendants.

Nat according to Chinese mythology, Macy.

However, those "africans" you are referring to were pre-man (or humanoids), not man. Take a look at this web site and the different family trees. Some fossils have been found in Australia, China, Africa, and Europe. Therefore, one cannot conclude that all of mankind is from a particular region or area, namely Africa.

Hudson,

I took a look at the website.

It is a litte bit suspicious however.
The homosapien looks like a white guy. This is strange to me, because I personally doubt that white people were around that long ago. It is like saying J.C had blond hair, blue eyes. Sound familiar?

I think cultures have been living together long enough to buy such ****.

There is no need to manipulate science and technology for hidden agenda. You have told many lies in the past to fool people all over the world. But with the global society, I doubt those little tricky things will work anymore. It's like someone telling me that mathematics or physics was invented by a white man, which is a total lie. Or, even funnier: instead of saying indians discovered Columbus, you twist it and say Columbus discovered america.
It makes me laugh, but hey that is what america is all about: the bests from all over the world decided to meet here. So, we get the best mind twisters, best scientists, etc.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

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Hudson,

I took a look at the website.

It is a litte bit suspicious however.
The homosapien looks like a white guy. This is strange to me, because I personally doubt that white people were around that long ago. It is like saying J.C had blond hair, blue eyes. Sound familiar?

I think cultures have been living together long enough to buy such ****.

There is no need to manipulate science and technology for hidden agenda. You have told many lies in the past to fool people all over the world. But with the global society, I doubt those little tricky things will work anymore. It's like someone telling me that mathematics or physics was invented by a white man, which is a total lie. Or, even funnier: instead of saying indians discovered Columbus, you twist it and say Columbus discovered america.
It makes me laugh, but hey that is what america is all about: the bests from all over the world decided to meet here. So, we get the best mind twisters, best scientists, etc.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

Apparently, you did not look close enough. The point is that pigmentation is more about adaptation, not about which humanoid became homosapien. What you are arguing is the fact that homosapiens should be of a specific pigmentation (name your skin color). This is manipulating the facts and science of archaeology.

The other problem archaeology, specifically cultural archaeologists, is the fact that most african culture is **** history. A lot of that history has been lost through the ages for a variety of reason, not the least which, the decedents not remembering and not retelling the **** histories. This is why **** history has such a wink link in any culture since those histories can be reinterpreted or lost altogether.

As with your other statements, you are making racists statements, not me. I never made any such statements nor alluded to any such statements. I was refuting that Whites were decedents of Black. Archeological science tells otherwise. Again, pigmentation is more about adaptation, not about which race decended from which humanoid.

Uhm... You got my mind twisted. I wonder what new technical terms you will throw at me.
Anyway, Assume it is all about ada