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Let’s be dead serious and honest now. Our exchanges were cordial about DREAM until you introduced the thing about that “13-year old Nebraska kid” on the “Senate Bills” thread.
During that time, after you, I was already deep into my discussion with davdah. You butt in. I have no problem with that. I’m also butting in when people discuss.
It was irrelevant and off-topic, but it was a let-go foul. Anyway, that was your choice, not mine, right? quote: 4now: Posted November 05, 2007 01:27 PM / Thread: Senate Bills – Page 6…
… Dont worry RN and Proud USA... Im sure he will be able to comeback and get a greencard now under the U-visa for testifying against the teacher.
hmm.. maybe this story could spark new legislation titled "WET DREAM ACT"
quote: RN: Posted November 05, 2007 02:16 PM / Thread: Senate Bills – Page 6…
Hmm... no more sensible idea to support your campaign, 4now? Haha! You're now resorting to a poor "tabloid" tactic! Nice attempt. But, sorry, I won't bite that. Haha! C'mon, show me what you got, kid!
quote: 4now: Posted November 05, 2007 02:46 PM/ Thread: Senate Bills – Page 6… 
quote: RN: Posted November 05, 2007 03:05 PM / Thread: Senate Bills – Page 6…
Okay, 4now. Cheers, babe!
And then, on this “current thread” in my conversation with Cayita, you butt in.quote: 4now: Posted November 09, 2007 06:47 PM / Current Thread – Page 3… Rough Neigbor quote: [Likewise, since I joined this forum, I haven’t made any reference, classification, prejudice, “distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference” to any group in particular, except, perhaps, when I mentioned my commonly-shared abhorrence of criminality and religious extremism. They intentionally inflict harm, sow hatred, promote terror, and annihilate the advances of civilization, hence, every individual in all nations should unite in the rejection of their activities and campaign[quote] But when Davdah said this in the Senate Bill thread [quote]Maybe a reminder might help. Its just down the street senator. Go take a look. http://www.jtf.org/america/ooo.black.crime.washington.slum.small.jpg [quote] You replied back with this.. and it surprised meRough Neighbor Quote: [quote]No legislation is necessary for those who have all the chances in the world but choose to bungle them. [quote] And this really seemed to me that you think undocumented who sneak in are more deserving of help than black americans. and you are not alone in this kind of thinking.. and I think that this is what Davdah is trying to point out to you. You may not even be aware that you think like this.. but out of the heart's abundance the mouth speaks.Use the monies to help fix problems america is facing for their own citizens first. thats is what is most important.
Just look back how level-headed I responded to you afterwards. And then, this…quote: 4now: Posted November 10, 2007 09:48 PM / Current Thread – Page 3… ... I mistook you for a better server, but because you misread or confused who brought out the original topic of race, more than half of your response is not relative. And as for soul searching, I prefer "google"  Eyes on the ball.Rn, Focus, babe focus, babe  And I think withstanding the facts...... 
That was when I also made pointed broadsides (but only in response to yours).
Then, the rest is history… you just have to read back, my friend! It’s not so far, just a few scrolls back away.
And now you would want to “sanitize” your act by making me appear as the “off-topic, disrespectful, feline, rude” and “childish, personal” attacker?
Tee-he-he-he! Gimme a break!
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quote: Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
Let’s be dead serious and honest now. Our exchanges were cordial about DREAM until you introduced the thing about that “13-year old Nebraska kid” on the “Senate Bills” thread.
During that time, after you, I was already deep into my discussion with davdah. You butt in. I have no problem with that. I’m also butting in when people discuss.
It was irrelevant and off-topic, but it was a let-go foul. Anyway, that was your choice, not mine, right?
[QUOTE]4now: Posted November 05, 2007 01:27 PM / Thread: Senate Bills – Page 6…
… Dont worry RN and Proud USA... Im sure he will be able to comeback and get a greencard now under the U-visa for testifying against the teacher.
hmm.. maybe this story could spark new legislation titled "WET DREAM ACT"
[Quote]And then, on this “current thread” in my conversation with Cayita, you butt in[quote] You want butt? I'll give you butt.  DUH.... Public Forum.. no such thing as butting in... private conversations are 4chat. Get a Grip. Well... look what popped up.....from explora 's ongoing and informative thread. NEW 'U' VISA MAY AID BOY IN TEACHER S.E.X CASEBy OSKAR GARCIA – 39 minutes ago OMAHA, Neb. (AP) — A 13-year-old illegal immigrant who fled to his native Mexico amid a *** scandal with his schoolteacher could be eligible to return to the United States under a new visa the government started granting the week before he disappeared. The visa helps illegal immigrants who are victims of s e x crimes. If the boy, who spent most of his life in Lexington, Neb., qualifies, he could stay legally in the United States for four years and eventually apply for permanent residency. It also would extend temporary residency to his parents and his unmarried siblings under 18, if they applied for it."It's a win-win," U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services spokeswoman Marilu Cabrera said of the so-called "U" visa. "It helps us and law enforcement be able to solve a crime, and it certainly helps the individual who is a victim of a crime." Cabrera said a conviction would not be necessary for the boy to qualify for the visa. "It doesn't matter what the outcome of the case is as long as they cooperate," she said. Full story at http://discuss.ilw.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/902603441/m/2...10328241#96210328241It also would extend temporary residency to his parents and his unmarried siblings under 18, if they applied for it.  Now who can say that usa is not a humanitarian nation.  This truly is a dream act. |
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quote: Originally posted by 4now: [Quote]And then, on this “current thread” in my conversation with Cayita, you butt in[quote] You want butt? I'll give you butt. DUH.... Public Forum.. no such thing as butting in... private conversations are 4chat. Get a Grip. ...
See? As bright as the breaking sunrise? You just emphatically proved my point! I know what your animated avatar stands for: messy style, incoherent reasoning, and knickers-level offensive. But in regard to your accompanying "Get a Grip" comment, I don't know what in heaven's name it connotes, I'm "lost in translation," totally. quote: Now who can say that usa is not a humanitarian nation. This truly is a dream act.
For sure, not me. You, maybe (or shall I say, for sure)! I have said it before and I'm saying it again now, that: "This country is known for being both just and kind - depending on the prevailing political climate at a given time.
Unfortunately, the problem of US illegal immigration is viewed with short-sightedness. And remedies and cures are patterned so as well, in a short-term basis. This is actually a "social reality" and a "legal impossibility."
Hence, it should be viewed in its whole spectrum with eyes wide open as a "law-enforcement," "economic," and "humanitarian" issue. Any action taken independently from the other is bound to fail."Okay, anyway - anytime, anytime at all, that you would want to engage once again in any serious discussion about immigration, I'm just a keystroke away. And I'm ready. Just tell me when, where, and how - I'll be there.
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The one comment that made me stop a second was what needhelp asked. Where do I stand? Well needhelp, in truth, a little bit on both sides. I realize this country needs some new blood from time to time. We also need to control who comes in. We can't leave the gate wide open and close our eyes hoping for the best. I'm all for forgiving some minor transgressions. But not at the cost of selling out our own people. Our country and its people first. We should selectively pick and choose who comes in. We should accept the fact we can't and are not responsible for saving everyone. A cause should only be carried to the point where it doesn't cause a greater anger. For immigration, you can't win converts by applauding illegal alien law breakers. This is probably part of the reason for the new laws in Oklahoma and other states. On one side you have people who are pro-immigrant at any cost. The other side has to respond in kind. To clarify the episode about the senator I mentioned the black kids in the original thread for a specific reason. Just to draw out any racist attitudes. More or less to see if anyone would play them down as less or undeserving. The fact is, a black child in a ghetto doesn't have the golden opportunity. They probably have slightly more than your average EWI but shouldn't they? Couldn't we take another look and see what else can be done. But the main point was to show that the senator was yanking everyone's chain. He knows better and so do we.
Vote Republican and this country will still be worth sneaking into.
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quote: Originally posted by davdah:
The one comment that made me stop a second was what needhelp asked. Where do I stand? Well needhelp, in truth, a little bit on both sides. I realize this country needs some new blood from time to time. We also need to control who comes in. We can't leave the gate wide open and close our eyes hoping for the best. I'm all for forgiving some minor transgressions. But not at the cost of selling out our own people. Our country and its people first. We should selectively pick and choose who comes in. We should accept the fact we can't and are not responsible for saving everyone. A cause should only be carried to the point where it doesn't cause a greater anger. For immigration, you can't win converts by applauding illegal alien law breakers.
This is probably part of the reason for the new laws in Oklahoma and other states. On one side you have people who are pro-immigrant at any cost. The other side has to respond in kind.
To clarify the episode about the senator I mentioned the black kids in the original thread for a specific reason. Just to draw out any racist attitudes. More or less to see if anyone would play them down as less or undeserving. The fact is, a black child in a ghetto doesn't have the golden opportunity. They probably have slightly more than your average EWI but shouldn't they? Couldn't we take another look and see what else can be done. But the main point was to show that the senator was yanking everyone's chain. He knows better and so do we.
Ok Charlie Brown. You have lost my respect by your continuous wish-washiness. You don't know where you stand on issues, and you contradict yourself. How can you stand on both sides of a fence? You can't. You end up jumping over and over and give those a headache who bare to endure the sight. Mediocrity makes no difference in the vast scheme of things, even in the best case scenario. Make up your mind. Take a stand and stand! A double minded man is unstable in all his ways... |
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here's my stand:
1 - deport every illegal immediately
2 - bar every one of them from legal re-entry for 10 years
3 - eliminate all waivers for overstays and fraud
4 - anyone sneaking back in or scamming a visa spends 20 years at 'hard labor' (doing those alleged same jobs that Americans won't do, except under guard) followed by a swift deportation....
5 - see #1
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Ok, I'll clarify this a little more. It seems many here have extremist views. I don't think anyone should adhere to those. I don't. To be pro immigrant should not mean you tear down the border. Anti-immigrant doesn't mean you stand at the border with an ar-15 either. When has an extremist view ever been successful in any debate or situation? In immigration there are those that come here in a legitimate pursuit of a better life and do it correctly or at least make the corrections when needed. Many here try to sell the tunnel vision idea 100% of the people who cross the border have honorable intentions and want to give blanket protection for all. They are unwilling to accept the fact there are a large number who have no respect for this country and would cheer at its demise. As demonstrated on this board several times. The current policy is selective about who gets to come in. That is the way it should be. This country would end up like mexico if we block open the borders. Or like China if we close it completely. Two extremist views that didn't work. I'm not really a fan of peanuts but didn't Charlie Brown usually come out on top in the end?
Vote Republican and this country will still be worth sneaking into.
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quote: Originally posted by davdah:
I'm not really a fan of peanuts but
didn't Charlie Brown usually come out on top in the end?
Nope, Charlie Brown always ended up last. You don't have to adopt an extremist view to be clear on how you stand on an issue. Considering the numerous contradicting postings by you on this board, you want to have it both ways. My summation for whatever it is worth, is that you are confused and are led away with every wind of a new debate. Better to be clear with how you feel and stand on an issue. Don't really need or require a response, this is just an observation. |
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quote: Originally posted by Someone12:
here's my stand:
1 - deport every illegal immediately
2 - bar every one of them from legal re-entry for 10 years
3 - eliminate all waivers for overstays and fraud
4 - anyone sneaking back in or scamming a visa spends 20 years at 'hard labor' (doing those alleged same jobs that Americans won't do, except under guard) followed by a swift deportation....
5 - see #1
And here's mine: 6 - CIR 7 - Agjobs & DREAM 8 - no cap visas (demand-driven) for H-1B, H-2A&B, & healthcare professionals 9 - PR dependents' visa limits scrapped 10 - discard 1 - 5 options quoted above and its proponent exiled to Darfur
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