Don't give away the secret plan for world domnination.

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Originally posted by Hudson:

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Originally posted by olalala:
Sure with Mr Pres. orders!

There ya go!...
Now, when are the Repubs gonna END Iraq war?????

You do realize that the US and Iraq have signed a troop withdrawl.

And do you also realize that US troops are still stationed in Germany, Japan, and Korea after those conflicts have ended. Ergo, why did the Presendets then not withdraw the troops then?

DEAL OR NO DEAL ?


. "Until we have a deal, we don't have a deal,"

thanks for that Hudson.

Maybe you're the better person here to ask.

But this one caught my attention.

President Bush had been hoping to get an open-ended pact to keep troops in Iraq for several more years as proof of success before he leaves office.

What is the future of this agreement?

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DEAL OR NO DEAL ?


. "Until we have a deal, we don't have a deal

That why most are still in doubt 4now

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Originally posted by davdah:
Olala, they don't follow his orders. They just agree.

Koller, the congress reached that majority and look what happened. Up until then it was getting worse with the more seats they had. In 06 when they crossed the magic number the economy went to krap. If you own property didn't it plummet in 06? What a funny coincidence. The more dems in congress the worse the economy.

Davdah, that is not right! It was the republican controlled congress/Bush, that enacted that private enterprise through HUD and Fannie Mae go out and make money available to lower and middle class families. They were thinking about and enabling corporate enterprise (because Republicans only support enterprise) to loan government insured monies to lower and middle class families. That was, I believe at the end of Bush's 1st term, sometime around 2003. Now the enterprise, with the government backing them, went out and haunted lower and middle class people convincing them that although they couldn't really afford the mortgage, they were still able to get one (and all for the sake of profit supported by the Republican controlled government). I remember when Bush made a speech mentioning the fact that he made that possible. Was he thinking about the middle class - NO, NO, NO!! He was sort of throwing a bone to the middle class - by telling them that everybody is entitled to the American Dream - big mistake! The remifications about that, are felt now, and it didn't just take two years.

Really, so Bush approved all those bad loans. He was the one nudged the borrowers to go ahead and sign the loan docs? He convinced people to borrow far more than they could afford? Sounds to me you want to hold harmless the people who probably lied about their income to get a house they couldn't afford.

At who's beckoning was HUD and fannie mae made to lower their standards? Who came crying to Bush saying its not fair that some can't afford a mortgage.

Have to post Hillary's much-awaited speech last night here. She is the first woman to break the glass ceiling, the one who had a shot at being the first female president

Hillary Clinton's speech at the Dems convention Tue Aug 26, 11:44 PM ET



Remarks of New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, for her address to the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday night in Denver:

I am honored to be here tonight. A proud mother. A proud Democrat. A proud American. And a proud supporter of Barack Obama.

My friends, it is time to take back the country we love.

Whether you voted for me, or voted for Barack, the time is now to unite as a single party with a single purpose. We are on the same team, and none of us can sit on the sidelines.

This is a fight for the future. And it's a fight we must win.

I haven't spent the past 35 years in the trenches advocating for children, campaigning for universal health care, helping parents balance work and family, and fighting for women's rights at home and around the world ... to see another Republican in the White House squander the promise of our country and the hopes of our people.

And you haven't worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership.

No way. No how. No McCain.

Barack Obama is my candidate. And he must be our president.

Tonight we need to remember what a presidential election is really about. When the polls have closed, and the ads are finally off the air, it comes down to you — the American people, your lives, and your children's futures.

For me, it's been a privilege to meet you in your homes, your workplaces, and your communities. Your stories reminded me everyday that America's greatness is bound up in the lives of the American people — your hard work, your devotion to duty, your love for your children, and your determination to keep going, often in the face of enormous obstacles.

You taught me so much, you made me laugh, and ... you even made me cry. You allowed me to become part of your lives. And you became part of mine.

I will always remember the single mom who had adopted two kids with autism, didn't have health insurance and discovered she had cancer. But she greeted me with her bald head painted with my name on it and asked me to fight for health care.

I will always remember the young man in a Marine Corps T-shirt who waited months for medical care and said to me: "Take care of my buddies; a lot of them are still over there ... and then will you please help take care of me?"

I will always remember the boy who told me his mom worked for the minimum wage and that her employer had cut her hours. He said he just didn't know what his family was going to do.

I will always be grateful to everyone from all fifty states, Puerto Rico and the territories, who joined our campaign on behalf of all those people left out and left behind by the Bush Administration.

To my supporters, my champions — my sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits — from the bottom of my heart: Thank you.

You never gave in. You never gave up. And together we made history.

Along the way, America lost two great Democratic champions who would have been here with us tonight. One of our finest young leaders, Arkansas Democratic Party Chair, Bill Gwatney, who believed with all his heart that America and the South could be and should be Democratic from top to bottom.

And Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones, a dear friend to many of us, a loving mother and courageous leader who never gave up her quest to make America fairer and smarter, stronger and better. Steadfast in her beliefs, a fighter of uncommon grace, she was an inspiration to me and to us all.

Our heart goes out to Stephanie's son, Mervyn, Jr., and Bill's wife, Rebecca, who traveled to Denver to join us at our convention.

Bill and Stephanie knew that after eight years of George Bush, people are hurting at home, and our standing has eroded around the world. We have a lot of work ahead.

Jobs lost, houses gone, falling wages, rising prices. The Supreme Court in a right-wing headlock and our government in partisan gridlock. The biggest deficit in our nation's history. Money borrowed from the Chinese to buy oil from the Saudis.

Putin and Georgia, Iraq and Iran.

I ran for president to renew the promise of America. To rebuild the middle class and sustain the American Dream, to provide the opportunity to work hard and have that work rewarded, to save for college, a home and retirement, to afford the gas and groceries and still have a little left over each month.

To promote a clean energy economy that will create millions of green collar jobs.

To create a health care system that is universal, high quality, and affordable so that parents no longer have to choose between care for themselves or their children or be stuck in dead end jobs simply to keep their insurance.

To create a world class education system and make college affordable again.

To fight for an America defined by deep and meaningful equality — from civil rights to labor rights, from women's rights to *** rights, from ending discrimination to promoting unionization to providing help for the most important job there is: caring for our families. To help every child live up to his or her God-given potential.

To make America once again a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws.

To bring fiscal sanity back to Washington and make our government an instrument of the public good, not of private plunder.

To restore America's standing in the world, to end the war in Iraq, bring our troops home and honor their service by caring for our veterans.

And to join with our allies to confront our shared challenges, from poverty and genocide to terrorism and global warming.

Most of all, I ran to stand up for all those who have been invisible to their government for eight long years.

Those are the reasons I ran for president. Those are the reasons I support Barack Obama. And those are the reasons you should too.

I want you to ask yourselves: Were you in this campaign just for me? Or were you in it for that young Marine and others like him? Were you in it for that mom struggling with cancer while raising her kids? Were you in it for that boy and his mom surviving on the minimum wage? Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?

We need leaders once again who can tap into that special blend of American confidence and optimism that has enabled generations before us to meet our toughest challenges. Leaders who can help us show ourselves and the world that with our ingenuity, creativity, and innovative spirit, there are no limits to what is possible in America.

This won't be easy. Progress never is. But it will be impossible if we don't fight to put a Democrat in the White House.

We need to elect Barack Obama because we need a President who understands that America can't compete in a global economy by padding the pockets of energy speculators, while ignoring the workers whose jobs have been shipped overseas. We need a president who understands that we can't solve the problems of global warming by giving windfall profits to the oil companies while ignoring opportunities to invest in new technologies that will build a green economy.

We need a President who understands that the genius of America has always depended on the strength and vitality of the middle class.

Barack Obama began his career fighting for workers displaced by the global economy. He built his campaign on a fundamental belief that change in this country must start from the ground up, not the top down. He knows government must be about "We the people" not "We the favored few."

And when Barack Obama is in the White House, he'll revitalize our economy, defend the working people of America, and meet the global challenges of our time. Democrats know how to do this. As I recall, President Clinton and the Democrats did it before. And President Obama and the Democrats will do it again.

He'll transform our energy agenda by creating millions of green jobs and building a new, clean energy future. He'll make sure that middle class families get the tax relief they deserve. And I can't wait to watch Barack Obama sign a health care plan into law that covers every single American.

Barack Obama will end the war in Iraq responsibly and bring our troops home _a first step to repairing our alliances around the world.

And he will have with him a terrific partner in Michelle Obama. Anyone who saw Michelle's speech last night knows she will be a great first lady for America.

Americans are also fortunate that Joe Biden will be at Barack Obama's side. He is a strong leader and a good man. He understands both the economic stresses here at home and the strategic challenges abroad. He is pragmatic, tough, and wise. And, of course, Joe will be supported by his wonderful wife, Jill.

They will be a great team for our country.

Now, John McCain is my colleague and my friend.

He has served our country with honor and courage.

But we don't need four more years ... of the last eight years.

More economic stagnation ... and less affordable health care.

More high gas prices ... and less alternative energy.

More jobs getting shipped overseas ... and fewer jobs created here.

More skyrocketing debt ... home foreclosures ... and mounting bills that are crushing our middle class families.

More war ... less diplomacy.

More of a government where the privileged come first ... and everyone else comes last.

John McCain says the economy is fundamentally sound. John McCain doesn't think that 47 million people without health insurance is a crisis. John McCain wants to privatize Social Security. And in 2008, he still thinks it's OK when women don't earn equal pay for equal work.

With an agenda like that, it makes sense that George Bush and John McCain will be together next week in the Twin Cities. Because these days they're awfully hard to tell apart.

America is still around after 232 years because we have risen to the challenge of every new time, changing to be faithful to our values of equal opportunity for all and the common good.

And I know what that can mean for every man, woman, and child in America. I'm a United States senator because in 1848 a group of courageous women and a few brave men gathered in Seneca Falls, New York, many traveling for days and nights, to participate in the first convention on women's rights in our history.

And so dawned a struggle for the right to vote that would last 72 years, handed down by mother to daughter to granddaughter — and a few sons and grandsons along the way.

These women and men looked into their daughters' eyes, imagined a fairer and freer world, and found the strength to fight. To rally and picket. To endure ridicule and harassment. To brave violence and jail.

And after so many decades — 88 years ago on this very day — the 19th amendment guaranteeing women the right to vote would be forever enshrined in our Constitution.

My mother was born before women could vote. But in this election my daughter got to vote for her mother for president.

This is the story of America. Of women and men who defy the odds and never give up.

How do we give this country back to them?

By following the example of a brave New Yorker, a woman who risked her life to shepherd slaves along the Underground Railroad.

And on that path to freedom, Harriet Tubman had one piece of advice.

If you hear the dogs, keep going.

If you see the torches in the woods, keep going.

If they're shouting after you, keep going.

Don't ever stop. Keep going.

If you want a taste of freedom, keep going.

Even in the darkest of moments, ordinary Americans have found the faith to keep going.

I've seen it in you. I've seen it in our teachers and firefighters, nurses and police officers, small business owners and union workers, the men and women of our military — you always keep going.

We are Americans. We're not big on quitting.

But remember, before we can keep going, we have to get going by electing Barack Obama president.

We don't have a moment to lose or a vote to spare.

Nothing less than the fate of our nation and the future of our children hang in the balance.

I want you to think about your children and grandchildren come election day. And think about the choices your parents and grandparents made that had such a big impact on your life and on the life of our nation.

We've got to ensure that the choice we make in this election honors the sacrifices of all who came before us, and will fill the lives of our children with possibility and hope.

That is our duty, to build that bright future, and to teach our children that in America there is no chasm too deep, no barrier too great — and no ceiling too high — for all who work hard, never back down, always keep going, have faith in God, in our country, and in each other.

Thank you so much. God bless America and Godspeed to you all.

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Of course, the Reps' reply.

Great job Hillary, say gleeful Republicans by Jo Biddle
10 minutes ago


Republicans Wednesday crowed with delight at Hillary Clinton's show-stopping convention speech, claiming she had helped to build their case against Democrat White House hopeful Barack Obama.

Commentators seized on the fact that in a speech full of drama, tears and laughter in which Clinton repeatedly urged her supporters to unite to elect Obama president, she never once said he was ready to lead.

"I think she gave a very good speech from her point of view and our point of view, but not necessarily for Barack Obama's point of view," former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani told Fox News.

"She never really answered the key question, is he prepared to be president? Which is the issue she put out there, rather dramatically, during the primaries."

Even as the last cheers were still echoing through the vast Denver convention center, the campaign of Republican presidential hopeful John McCain swiftly tore Clinton's speech to shreds late Tuesday.

"Senator Clinton ran her presidential campaign making clear that Barack Obama is not prepared to lead as commander in chief," Tucker Bounds, spokesman for Obama's Republican rival John McCain, said in a statement.

"Nowhere tonight did she alter that assessment. Nowhere tonight did she say that Barack Obama is ready to lead. Millions of Hillary Clinton supporters and millions of Americans remain concerned about whether Barack Obama is ready to be president."

The former first lady's speech held the packed center spellbound, but did not sound like she planned to bow out of politics any time soon.

Instead, passed over by Barack Obama in his search for a running mate two months after her own campaign folded, Senator Clinton wrote her own history of her campaign, and seemed to be spotlighting her future role.

"This is a fight for the future. And it's a fight we must win," Clinton said, in comments about November's election, but which might have referred to her own political hopes.

Influential commentator Michael Barone writing in U.S. News magazine said the speech put everyone on notice that Clinton could indeed make another historic tilt at the White House in 2012.

The speech was "good, but not quite very good, for Barack Obama in 2008. Even better, if things should turn out like they might, for Hillary Clinton in 2012," he wrote.

"What was missing was much in the way of description of Barack Obama. What kind of man is he? One who supports the same positions she does," he asked.

"Has she looked deep into his heart and found something worthy? No evidence here that she had. Would he be a good commander-in-chief? Not a word on that, as the McCain campaign quickly and gleefully noted."

And Rush Limbaugh, the high priest of conservative talk radio, told Fox News that the adoration of Clinton late Tuesday was "the first time since 1976 that a convention has been more excited about a loser than a winner."

Despite calling on her millions of disappointed fans to vote Obama, Clinton "de-linked herself from him," Limbaugh argued.

"Those two both need for Obama to lose and they're going to do whatever they can after they leave Denver to see that that happens," he argued.

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LIONS RULE !!!

GO MACCAIN !!!

Hillary: "It's all about me!!!"

IT'S ALL ABOUT LIONS !!!

Instead of backing Obama, Hillary sounds like she's still on the campaign trail. I wonder what Bill has up his sleeve for his speech tonight?

Hillary knows that McCain will be the next President and does her best to make ground for her own run in 2012.
She couldn't care less about Obama.
Same with Bill.
Anyway, their train has gone in 2000.

It's new reality, new paradigm, evrything in the world is different since then and it will take forceful leaders to get the US through all the global turmoils that are very well seen on horizon.

MC CAIN FOR PRESIDENT !!!

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:
Instead of backing Obama, Hillary sounds like she's still on the campaign trail. I wonder what Bill has up his sleeve for his speech tonight?

I guess there's some work to be done insofar as the Dem's party unity is concerned. I read this and can see the viewpoint of those who are reluctant to back Obama.

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:
Instead of backing Obama, Hillary sounds like she's still on the campaign trail. I wonder what Bill has up his sleeve for his speech tonight?

This was a shameless promotion of one's self.

What Dems approved her speech. It is appalling and deliberately disgraceful to Barack Obama. Why doesnt she just get on her knees and beg mccain to be his running mate. Sore Sore loser as she is holding out for obama to some how be taken out of the race before november.

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Originally posted by 4now:

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:
Instead of backing Obama, Hillary sounds like she's still on the campaign trail. I wonder what Bill has up his sleeve for his speech tonight?

This was a shameless promotion of one's self.

What Dems approved her speech. It is appalling and deliberately disgraceful to Barack Obama. Why doesnt she just get on her knees and beg mccain to be his running mate. Sore Sore loser as she is holding out for obama to some how be taken out of the race before november.

Totally agree, 4Now. She was not at all sincere in her 'supposed' backing of Obama. As far as trying to unite the party, she did more to divide it than anything else.

Yup, thats exactly it. Hoping for a successful injunction based on his questionable citizenship or maybe something else even more diabolic. She'll call it leaving her options open though.