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Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
Hispanic group to grill McCain, Obama

"Although Hispanic voters have diverse political views and don't share a single monolithic stance on immigration, LULAC Executive Director Brent Wilkes said the vast majority wanted a comprehensive policy that would give legal safeguards and eventual citizenship to undocumented immigrants, most of whom are from Latin America. ''If they're against comprehensive immigration reform, they will not get the Latino vote, and they can't win,'' he said of the two candidates." McClatchy, July 7, 2008.

http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/story/596713.html

LULAC, the nation's largest and oldest Hispanic organization, with 115,000 members, is insisting that the next president support -- and force Congress to pass -- comprehensive immigration legislation that would create a guest-worker program and put millions of illegal immigrants on paths to citizenship.

LULAC leaders say that they'll also insist that Obama and McCain promise to reverse decades of inadequate representation by Hispanics in the federal work force. Hispanics constitute about 15 to 16 percent of the population but hold just more than 7 percent of federal jobs.


Force ... Blackmail.... This is scary. Let them not vote then. Sadly, this is the same attitude used by the very ones that broke into the country and disrepected the rules and regs.

Thumbs down to LULAC for these tactics. And Thumbs down to either of those 2 clowns that cave in to their DEMANDS.

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Originally posted by 4now:

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Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
Hispanic group to grill McCain, Obama

"Although Hispanic voters have diverse political views and don't share a single monolithic stance on immigration, LULAC Executive Director Brent Wilkes said the vast majority wanted a comprehensive policy that would give legal safeguards and eventual citizenship to undocumented immigrants, most of whom are from Latin America. ''If they're against comprehensive immigration reform, they will not get the Latino vote, and they can't win,'' he said of the two candidates." McClatchy, July 7, 2008.

http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/story/596713.html

LULAC, the nation's largest and oldest Hispanic organization, with 115,000 members, is insisting that the next president support -- and force Congress to pass -- comprehensive immigration legislation that would create a guest-worker program and put millions of illegal immigrants on paths to citizenship.

LULAC leaders say that they'll also insist that Obama and McCain promise to reverse decades of inadequate representation by Hispanics in the federal work force. Hispanics constitute about 15 to 16 percent of the population but hold just more than 7 percent of federal jobs.


Force ... Blackmail.... This is scary. Let them not vote then. Sadly, this is the same attitude used by the very ones that broke into the country and disrepected the rules and regs.

Thumbs down to LULAC for these tactics. And Thumbs down to either of those 2 clowns that cave in to their DEMANDS.

LULAC is doing no more or less than other lobbyists and PAC groups that represent voters on various issues. Do you condemn them including the anti-immigrant groups? Or ware we dealing with a double standard here?

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Originally posted by JermCool:
Neither could Bill Clinton. ****, he even had the chance to give the kill order and passed it up.

Bear in mind, people - Al Qaeda has been out there a lot longer than just the Bush administration. Aside from a meaningless missile strike on an abandoned AQ training camp, Clinton did little-to-nothing about them.

I take it you getting your info from this site?

President Clinton on at least one occasion ordered a strike into the Tora Bora region which Obama was located from intelligence reports. However, when the Sudanese government offered Bin Laden as bait in 1997, the cost was too hight. For if the US agreed with the Sudanese government, the US would then be implicitly linked to the genocide in Southern Sudan that has been going on for the past decade.

The problem was that President Clinton pursued terrorism as a international criminal issue. But since AQ limited their attacks to soft targets, then the American people would not support any military action whatsoever, including the Republican Party. When 9/11 cocured, that policy had to change. But what I did disagree with President Clinton was attempting to support the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan. And it was this policy that made anti-Americanism a popular fad, unfortunately.

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Originally posted by Hudson:

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Originally posted by 4now:

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Originally posted by Rough Neighbor:
Hispanic group to grill McCain, Obama

"Although Hispanic voters have diverse political views and don't share a single monolithic stance on immigration, LULAC Executive Director Brent Wilkes said the vast majority wanted a comprehensive policy that would give legal safeguards and eventual citizenship to undocumented immigrants, most of whom are from Latin America. ''If they're against comprehensive immigration reform, they will not get the Latino vote, and they can't win,'' he said of the two candidates." McClatchy, July 7, 2008.

http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/story/596713.html

LULAC, the nation's largest and oldest Hispanic organization, with 115,000 members, is insisting that the next president support -- and force Congress to pass -- comprehensive immigration legislation that would create a guest-worker program and put millions of illegal immigrants on paths to citizenship.

LULAC leaders say that they'll also insist that Obama and McCain promise to reverse decades of inadequate representation by Hispanics in the federal work force. Hispanics constitute about 15 to 16 percent of the population but hold just more than 7 percent of federal jobs.


Force ... Blackmail.... This is scary. Let them not vote then. Sadly, this is the same attitude used by the very ones that broke into the country and disrepected the rules and regs.

Thumbs down to LULAC for these tactics. And Thumbs down to either of those 2 clowns that cave in to their DEMANDS.

LULAC is doing no more or less than other lobbyists and PAC groups that represent voters on various issues. Do you condemn them including the anti-immigrant groups? Or ware we dealing with a double standard here?

There are no double standards here Hudson

I do condemn anti immigrant groups. (hint... UNDOCUMENTED and overstays are not immigrants. They fit into the category of ILLEGAL.)

I know you like to call illegals the same as legal immigrants... but it is not so and i wish the media and others would stop deliberately trying to confuse people about the matter.

I have not heard of supporters of MCcain telling him that if he proposes to make illegals legal that they will not vote or support him. Take davdah 4instance... he is a supporter of Mccain even though he is against illegals being given amnesty/being made legal.

No way can I believe their representation anyway. I know 4fact that not all hispanics want or support illegals being made legal. This will not be criteria for their vote.

Maybe Obama should stay far away from Reverend types

CHICAGO (July 10) - The Rev. Jesse Jackson apologized Wednesday to Barack Obama for making a "regretfully crude" comment about the Democratic presidential hopeful during what he thought was a private conversation three days ago.

Rev. Jesse Jackson issued an apology to Barack Obama Wednesday after comments he made about the presidential candidate were picked up on an open microphone. After a Fox News interview on Sunday, Jackson said, "Barack, he's talking down to black people."

Jackson said the "hurtful and wrong" comments Sunday came in response to a question from a fellow guest during a break from taping "Fox & Friends." The guest asked about speeches on morality Obama has given at black churches.

Jackson said at a news conference that he had replied that Obama's speeches can come off as speaking down to black people and that there were other important issues to be addressed in the community, such as unemployment, the mortgage crisis and the number of blacks in prison.

He said he was not aware the microphone was still on.

Jackson declined to repeat the comments, but said he decided to apologize publicly after hearing from Fox that it would air them.

In an interview with The Associated Press earlier Wednesday, Jackson said he didn't remember his exact words, but said he was "very sorry." He told CNN the remark was "regretfully crude."

Fox News aired Jackson's comment Wednesday night, including a slang reference to his wanting to cut off Obama's testicles. The report bleeped out the slang but made clear what Jackson said.



How embarrasing! How many times will it take for this low life to stop getting caught making inappropriate remarks in private.

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It seems that history lessons have escaped out the window here.

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Olalah, take a look back through history during any wartime and what the two parties did or did not do. It's self explanatory.

Too much history from the Rep!
Time for Economic class !

Clinton vs. Terror, Republicans vs. Clinton

President Clinton led the fight against terrorism over strong opposition from Republicans in Congress and the pro-Republican Media.

Here's a partial - yet incredibly long - list of accomplishments against terrorism for which the Clinton Administration gets almost no credit or even recognition. President Clinton:

-- sent legislation to Congress to TIGHTEN AIRPORT SECURITY. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.

-- sent legislation to Congress to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF TERRORIST FUNDING. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.

-- sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for BETTER TRACKING OF EXPLOSIVES USED BY TERRORISTS. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.

When Republicans couldn't prevent executive action, President Clinton:

-- Developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.

--Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.

-- Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.

-- Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).

-- Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.

-- Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.

-- Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.

-- Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.

-- Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries

-- Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.

-- Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton's efforts "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama"

-- Paul Bremer, Bush's Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden. "

-- Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort."

Here, in stark contrast, is part of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism record before September 11, 2001:

-- Backed off Clinton administration's anti-terrorism efforts.

-- Shelved the Hart-Rudman report.

-- Appointed new anti-terrorism task force under **** Cheney. Group did not even meet before 9/11.

-- Called for cuts in anti-terrorism efforts by the Department of Defense.

-- Gave no priority to anti-terrorism efforts by Justice Department.

-- Ignored warnings from Sandy Berger, Louis Freeh, George Tennant, Paul Bremer, and Richard Clarke about the urgency of terrorist threats.

-- Halted Predator drone tracking of Osama bin Laden.

-- Did nothing in wake of August 6 C.I.A. report to president saying Al Qaeda attack by hijack of an airliner almost certain.

-- Bush - knowing about the terrorists' plans to attack in America, warned that terrorists were in flight schools in the US - took a four week vacation.

-- By failing to order any coordination of intelligence data, missed opportunity to stop the 9/11 plot as Clinton-Gore had stopped the millennium plots.

-- Blamed President Clinton for 9/11.

MikeHersh

Lets see the list of credible sources for these claims.

Comparing Democrat’s hero-CLINTON—versus Republican’s hero--REAGAN
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1.JOBS—grew by 43% more under Clinton.
2.GDP---grew by 57% more under Clinton.
3.DOW—grew by 700% more under Clinton..
4.NASDAQ-grew by 18 times as much under Clinton.
4.SPENDING--grew by 28% under Clinton---80% under Reagan.
5.DEBT—grew by 43% under Clinton—187% under Reagan.
6. DEFICITS—Clinton got a large surplus--grew by 112% under Reagan.
7.NATIONAL INCOME—grew by100% more under Clinton.
8.PERSONAL INCOME—Grew by 110% more under Clinton.

SOURCES—Bureau of Labor Statistics (www.BLS.Gov)--Economic Policy Institute (EPI.org)—Global & World Almanacs from 1980 to 2003 (annual issues)
www.the-hamster.com (chart taken from NY Times)
National Archives History on Presidents. www.nara.gov
LA Times 10-11-00 on Market--www.Find articles.com

A vote for a Republican is a vote for Less Success.
A vote to reduce the Standard of Living for all Americans.

Clarence Swinney-Political Historian-Lifeaholics of America-Retired

Bush Record

Accomplishments as President:

1)Attacked and took over two countries.Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

2)Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

3)Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

4)Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

5)Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

6)Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

7)Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

8)Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

9)Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)

10)Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

11)Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

12)Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

13)Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

14)First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

15)First president in us history to enter office with a criminal record.

16)First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

17)After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

18)Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

19)Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.


20)Members of his cabinet are the richest of any administration in us history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

21)Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

22)Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

23)Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

24)First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

25)First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

26)Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Good Day Republicant!

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Originally posted by davdah:
Lets see the list of credible sources for these claims.

Davdah, she gave the link for the last one - it's in the lower part, right-hand corner.

Olala, thanks for sharing that interesting diagram (Economic Performance Index) - yes, if you could please post the link on that too. Thanks!

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Originally posted by olalala:
Comparing Democrat’s hero-CLINTON—versus Republican’s hero--REAGAN
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1.JOBS—grew by 43% more under Clinton.
2.GDP---grew by 57% more under Clinton.
3.DOW—grew by 700% more under Clinton..
4.NASDAQ-grew by 18 times as much under Clinton.
4.SPENDING--grew by 28% under Clinton---80% under Reagan.
5.DEBT—grew by 43% under Clinton—187% under Reagan.
6. DEFICITS—Clinton got a large surplus--grew by 112% under Reagan.
7.NATIONAL INCOME—grew by100% more under Clinton.
8.PERSONAL INCOME—Grew by 110% more under Clinton.

SOURCES—Bureau of Labor Statistics (www.BLS.Gov)--Economic Policy Institute (EPI.org)—Global & World Almanacs from 1980 to 2003 (annual issues)
www.the-hamster.com (chart taken from NY Times)
National Archives History on Presidents. www.nara.gov
LA Times 10-11-00 on Market--www.Find articles.com

A vote for a Republican is a vote for Less Success.
A vote to reduce the Standard of Living for all Americans.

Clarence Swinney-Political Historian-Lifeaholics of America-Retired

In this post as well as the other three, it is nothing but revisionist history. There are circumstances and situations that tell "the rest of the story" (As Paul Harvey would say). It looks cute, but in reality, is more like propaganda from WSWS.

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Originally posted by Mrs. B.:

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Originally posted by davdah:
Lets see the list of credible sources for these claims.

Davdah, she gave the link for the last one - it's in the lower part, right-hand corner.

Olala, thanks for sharing that interesting diagram (Economic Performance Index) - yes, if you could please post the link on that too. Thanks!

Mrs B. the index is not a real indication of how well or how poorly an economy can be under Republican or Democratic Leadership. There are econometric models that have looked into this, and surprisingly, the two parties show very little divergence in most cases.

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Mrs B. the index is not a real indication of how well or how poorly an economy can be under Republican or Democratic Leadership. There are econometric models that have looked into this, and surprisingly, the two parties show very little divergence in most cases.

As far as leadership goes, Clinton did better than Bush!

A web site using hamster as part of its name is 'very' credible. But that aside. All the statistics being viewed from an unlearned perspective would give the false impression intended.

A deeper view would reveal the truth. Who creates and spends the budgets is a legitimate question to ask. Economic cycles and their affects and duration is another. Political upheaval timing and responses given is yet another. Getting past the 30 second sound bites would illustrate a clearer reality. That is, if you open your eyes to see it.

Another thought to entertain is this. The republican party is more perfomance based. Where as the democrat is more aligned with benefit delivery. Hence the reason for people in need clinging to those with promises to deliver.

With that in mind does it make sense to believe the republicans are the ones who created the current fiscal problems? Isn't it the democrat controlled congress who writes the checks to pay for everything? To pay for those benefits people want. And, you do understand it isn't free?

Most would agree that the more money you have to spend the