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Originally posted by olalala:

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The vast majority of people knew they could not afford the home they were purchasing. They went along and played the game of deceit to get approved. Now what? They are crying because the financial straw house blew down? They want the rest of the country to bail them out. Sorry, I am not willing to post that bond.

Sure some I agree they live beyond their means.
But what about those who don't, say 10 years ago
they can afford the mortgage, now the economic went to ****, where companies are cutting off
employee's hours,and closing down. When they need to spend $500 worth of gas a month to get to theirjob,and add $250 dollars more on the heat and electric bills not to mention the price of other commodities.

People who got laid off are force to take a minimum wage job just to survive some of the bills.

A lot of American people can't even afford
healthcare for their children.

If illegal immigrants get a free health care
and free school and free gov. service,

Whats wrong if American people ask for a special
mortgage program?

Here is where the argument falls apart and yet comes together in another arena. Why should illegals get freebies? They shouldn't. And is why many Americans are upset at the system. This country is not based on socialism. Which is why it is completely inappropriate to subsidize personal financial mistakes.


The illegals don't directly get free Gov service. Their kids do. Which by definition of being born here gives them that entitlement. However, the argument is they wouldn't have been born here if laws weren't broken to make that birth on U.S. soil possible. Should the fact a law was broken to receive the benefit void the benefit? In many areas of law it does. This one being a constitutionally based dilema is still up for debate.

Our medical system is such that no one can be refused. It isn't so much an illegal versus illegal dilema. More a litigation problem that drives the cost of health care throught the roof. Not to mitigate the increased burden they have on our system. It is significant to the point of putting many medical care facilities out of business. But the overwelming problem with affordability is lawyer intrusion.

A simple fact yet hard to explain. America has now become a charity to illegals, criminals and fraudsters at the cost of USC. Very sad but true and undeniable fact.

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Whats wrong if American people ask for a special mortgage program

You didn't answer my question.
a lot of Americans got laid off.
Small business are going down or closing down.
Big Companies are cutting employee's hours.

10 years ago they can afford their houses.
With this economic crisis people are desperate!
and you call them stupid instead!

Actually I did answer it. The point is each person is individually responsible for their own financial doing. This country is not and was never intended to be a socialist experiment.

Yes, people get laid off. Do you know anyone who hasn't ever lost a job? This economy goes through cycles. Back in 1986/87 we had a similar situation in So Cal where housing prices peaked and fell dramatically. People lost their jobs, me included. And the first house I just bought 6 months prior. And with a new baby. Oh woe was me. I didn't go crying to papa bush or anyone else. I didn't have parents to go running home to. It was me and only me I could count on. Even then I knew it was my own fault that I lost that first home. I bit off more than I could afford at the time. It was nice while it lasted but it never lasts forever.

My thoughts are that each person should own up to what they did. Each of us knows our own mistakes and its weakness of character to blame someone else for their own mess.

And if so many Americans are losing their jobs then all the more reason to deport the 12 or so million illegals to free up those needed jobs.

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And if so many Americans are losing their jobs then all the more reason to deport the 12 or so million illegals to free up those needed jobs.

which is next to impossible!

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This country is not and was never intended to be a socialist experiment.

and the country is responsible for Iraq?? HAH!

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Originally posted by olalala:

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And if so many Americans are losing their jobs then all the more reason to deport the 12 or so million illegals to free up those needed jobs.

which is next to impossible!

Is it? I think not. Unless you are a defeatist.

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Originally posted by olalala:

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This country is not and was never intended to be a socialist experiment.

and the country is responsible for Iraq?? HAH!

Not just us, many other countries went along with it. And, if we didn't go care to guess what the consequences would have been?

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Originally posted by olalala:

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This country is not and was never intended to be a socialist experiment.

and the country is responsible for Iraq?? HAH!

Question - what does Iraq have to do with the US not being a Socialist Experiment?

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Originally posted by davdah:
The initial comment was a general note about the trade off in security. Perhaps the rest of the world is more threat aware. Does it validate what we do? Or does it lend to the argument that our society is becoming similar to what we claim to disassociate from? I think it is the rest of the world attempting to create a like environment here. Remove what makes this country great.

Do you think the interrogation is justified? Would you soften it or get information at any cost?

One huge mistake made was giving terrorists access to criminal courts. Doing so legitimatized their activity by giving them the capability to question our actions in defending ourselves. You can't negotiate with them. You can't expect truth. And you surely should not give them another weapon to use. The high evidence bar required for conviction is better than an AK-47. What of the problems with revealing elements of national security during the trial? If all evidence can't be exposed to show the terrorist connection it will likely result in acquittals.

Again, there are legitimate reasons for adding security and there are illegitimate reasons as well. The question is how to differentiate between the two. Not allowing third parties to enter the concourse area, unifying the procedures for security baggage checks, stricter enforcement of airport personnel and ID badges are security measures I agree with. Federalizing airport security personnel was one idea that I disagreed with. TSA should have been a regulatory agency only with 5000-10000 employees nationwide. But still allow the private security agencies to operate within the refined rules.

As for Guantanamo Bay, I have mixed feelings. The biggest problem I see has nothing to do with the stories of former prisoners, but with the policy objectives. When US military gets involved in family and clan disputes, as it did in 2002-2004, many priosners were sent to Gitmo with no direct evidence of supporting terrorism, only circumstantial in most cases. The circumstantial evidence were only sworn affidavits, and money being paid, by those who accused them of supporting the Taliban or Al Queda. Again, it reminds me of the Korean History during 1950-1953 that sounds most familiar. So it begs the question of did Gitmo turn some prisoners into terrorists because of the conditions and presumption of guilty instead of innocence?

Finally, you need to read the Supreme Court ruling again instead of relying on entertainment talk show programs. The court said they have a right for their status to be determined in Federal courts. This is even in GCIII articles, and even unlawful German combatants had during WWII.

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Question - what does Iraq have to do with the US not being a Socialist Experiment?

It's the Republican way of telling desperate Americans in need to go scratch their back!

What does IRAQ got to do with the economic crisis?

My questions still stand?

Why can't the American people get a special mortgage plan to save their houses? What are they doing about it?

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Originally posted by olalala:

It's the Republican way of telling desperate Americans in need to go scratch their back!

I have a short hand that doesn't reach back, will you come and scratch my back since you always state talk to hand

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What does IRAQ got to do with the economic crisis?

My questions still stand?

Why can't the American people get a special mortgage plan to save their houses? What are they doing about it?

Government is not their to cover stupid people's ***.es. One knows what he/she can afford, yet we go out and start buying stuff beyond our reach. We can only afford a condo yet we dream to live in a castle and go out and get a mortgage by creating false documents. Why should Govt bail them out? Where does Govt get all the money? It is my money they will be using to bail those stupids. It is about time people come to their senses and not live in an instant gratification mode. Learn to compromise and understand that dreams are dreams. No every dream can materialize.

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Government is not their to cover stupid people's ***.es. One knows what he/she can afford, yet we go out and start buying stuff beyond our reach. We can only afford a condo yet we dream to live in a castle and go out and get a mortgage by creating false documents. Why should Govt bail them out? Where does Govt get all the money? It is my money they will be using to bail those stupids. It is about time people come to their senses and not live in an instant gratification mode. Learn to compromise and understand that dreams are dreams. No every dream can materialize.

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Government is not their to cover stupid people's ***.es. One knows what he/she can afford, yet we go out and start buying stuff beyond our reach. We can only afford a condo yet we dream to live in a castle and go out and get a mortgage by creating false documents. Why should Govt bail them out? Where does Govt get all the money? It is my money they will be using to bail those stupids. It is about time people come to their senses and not live in an instant gratification mode. Learn to compromise and understand that dreams are dreams. No every dream can materialize.

And Iraq deserve the tax payers money?

come on WUSC american people are getting laid off..loosing hours suffering from the high cost of gas and etc.

This government is not doing nothing on illegal aliens!

We are working to save other countries behind geezzz!!

the Republican are such a BS!!!

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One knows what he/she can afford, yet we go out and start buying stuff beyond our reach.

They had help securing the loans they couldn't afford from unscrupulous mortgage lenders. Some of the blame should be placed on them as well.

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They had help securing the loans they couldn't afford from unscrupulous mortgage lenders. Some of the blame should be placed on them as well.

They are called loan shark!! burying people more deeper in debts.

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Originally posted by olalala:
And Iraq deserve the tax payers money?

Nope. It is that dum.b s.hit Bush that hijacked the election and created all this. The blame should be put on Congress and Senate who authorized the war. Next time when your senator is running election, don't vote for him/her. You are paying for their mistake.

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come on WUSC american people are getting laid off..loosing hours suffering from the high cost of gas and etc.

By bringing Obama into the office won't solve the problem. There has to be revolution against cronies, big corporations etc. If an average American keeps mum, then they will have to pay the price. Obama is not the answer. He is still a new kid on the block. Even if he wins, I can assure you he will lose in re-election.

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This government is not doing nothing on illegal aliens!

We are working to save other countries behind geezzz!!

the Republican are such a BS!!!

Democraps and Republicans are alike. They all will promise you castle, but deliver you condo The first rule of being politician is to sell dreams that you cannot deliver. Second rule, BS in a way so the listener buys it as a fact and truth. Third rule, once you win, tell the world you now have amnesia and cannot recall what you promised. Welcome to the world of politics.

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:

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One knows what he/she can afford, yet we go out and start buying stuff beyond our reach.

They had help securing the loans they couldn't afford from unscrupulous mortgage lenders. Some of the blame should be placed on them as well.

I respectfully disagree with you on this. If you know you can only afford a house with $1000 mortgage payment yet someone comes around and tells you they will help you secure it so you can go ahead for $1500/month, then I blame it on person and his/her stupidity. Did they not think where are they going to get that additional $500/month. You cannot blame it on loan sharks. They are in business to make money.

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Originally posted by whiteUSCNeedsHelp:

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:

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One knows what he/she can afford, yet we go out and start buying stuff beyond our reach.

They had help securing the loans they couldn't afford from unscrupulous mortgage lenders. Some of the blame should be placed on them as well.

I respectfully disagree with you on this. If you know you can only afford a house with $1000 mortgage payment yet someone comes around and tells you they will help you secure it so you can go ahead for $1500/month, then I blame it on person and his/her stupidity. Did they not think where are they going to get that additional $500/month. You cannot blame it on loan sharks. They are in business to make money.

With all due respect back to you, WUSC, bank loans can be quite complicated - especially the ones that contain balloon payments. I believe many of the foreclosures were under these circumstances. A person could be financially secure at the time the loan was made, be convinced by the lending institution that they could keep up with the loan payments via cost of living raises and such. But, in reality, it wasn't the case (particularly with our economy being the way it is at present). So, while I do believe the homeowners are accountable, some of the blame should be placed on the lenders as well.