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quote: Originally posted by Jasmin: Lesson of the day-read between the lines...as climate of the country is very hot...given democrats and Republicans are up to fu-ck us up.. 
Still I believe in practical lessons, they are far more effective 
I am not racist. I am not anti-immigrant. I am AGAINST CRIMINALS, FRAUDSTERS, WHO DISOBEY THE LAW, BREAK THE LAW AND PERPETRATE THE FRAUD.
You may not like what I have to say but that does not mean I am wrong.
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quote: Originally posted by Jasmin: i'm aware of the fact that this thread has been going for quite some time, and i did not say it's inappropriate it to be brought out but i think it's about time to give it a rest...otherwise we need to bring all the dead threads from ashes to make its relevancy to the subject..
Jasmin, you opened another thread the other day, I forgot the subject line in that you called Sen. Obama a street organizer. What is a street organizer?
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
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quote: Originally posted by davdah:
Why give it a rest. We're getting ready for a big election. This will continue, as it should, until election day. Then once McCain wins and the Dems are done crying the blues it can be given a rest.
Davdah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!! Dream on!!!
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
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quote: Originally posted by whiteUSCNeedsHelp: 
As long as I can imagine what is under the frame of the picture I have no problem with the concept 
Have all the good s.ex you can, in all the ways you can, for as long as ever you can !
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quote: Originally posted by davdah:
I agree its a tough call. On one hand you have people's lives you're trying to keep safe. The other is decency in interrogation. Which is more important? Add to that the unknown factor. Is the person even guilty or know anything of value? This is like the screening at airports. Each of us knows that we are not carrying anything explosive and don't like being inconvenienced with taking our shoes off or being groped. The problem is the screener doesn't know. All are guilty until proven innocent. Would we prefer the quicker lines and no security?
The only ones who can truly answer both questions are surviving members of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team who served WWII. The biggest problem was that the US military placed bounties on unknown terrorist or Taliban supporters in Afghanistan. This politicy unwittingly led to personal, family, or clan retribution for the past 2000 years which those accused supporting terrorism really had nothing to do with that. However, because of the fear emphasized in the second question, it placed a great dilemma within the military and public policy. And the consequence has now led to questioning the entire program even though it is following the Ex Parte Quinn case, to some degree.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
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Ralph Nader: Barack Obama tries to 'talk white' and appeal to 'white guilt' June 25, 2008Recommend (8) By M.E. SPRENGELMEYER | Scripps Howard News Service WASHINGTON -- Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader accused Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic Party nominee, of downplaying poverty issues, trying to "talk white" and appealing to "white guilt" during his run for the White House. Nader, a thorn in the Democratic Party's side since the 2000 presidential election, has taken various shots at Obama in recent days while ramping up his latest independent run for president. In a wide-ranging interview with the Rocky Mountain News on Monday, he said he is running because he believes Democrats, like Republicans, are too closely aligned with corporate interests. Economic exploitation: Nader was asked if Obama is any different than Democrats he has criticized in the past, considering Obama's pledge to reject campaign contributions from registered lobbyists.  "There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader said. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that?  Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards." The Obama campaign had only a brief response, calling the remarks disappointing. I AGREE  Asked to clarify whether he thought Obama does try to "talk white," Nader said: "Of course. "I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law," Nader said. "Haven't heard a thing." "We are obviously disappointed with these very backward-looking remarks," Obama campaign spokeswoman Shannon Gilson said.  Plans to visit DNC: Nader said he plans to travel to Denver during this summer's Democratic National Convention, hoping to highlight an alternative agenda that he thinks the party should pursue. His appearance in the city is sure to anger some Democrats who believe his presence on the ballot during the contested 2000 election cost Al Gore votes, helping Republican George Bush win the disputed election. Nader rejects that blame, saying Democrats "scapegoated" him instead of looking at other factors that contributed to the defeat. 'Appeal to white guilt': Nader said he is not impressed with Obama and that he does not see him campaigning often enough in low-income, predominantly minority communities where there is a "shocking" amount of economic exploitation. He pointed to issues like predatory lending, shortages of health care and municipal resources, environmental issues and others.  "He wants to show that he is not a threatening ... another politically threatening African-American politician," Nader said. "He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful. Basically he's coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it's corporate or whether it's simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up." Wow... I can't believe that Nader is such an Ahole to make these comments . I think he would be highly offended if people were to bring up his lebonese background and say the same sort of stupid remarks in regard to him... Disappointing and shallow indeed. 
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quote: Originally posted by Hudson: quote: Originally posted by davdah:
I agree its a tough call. On one hand you have people's lives you're trying to keep safe. The other is decency in interrogation. Which is more important? Add to that the unknown factor. Is the person even guilty or know anything of value? This is like the screening at airports. Each of us knows that we are not carrying anything explosive and don't like being inconvenienced with taking our shoes off or being groped. The problem is the screener doesn't know. All are guilty until proven innocent. Would we prefer the quicker lines and no security?
The only ones who can truly answer both questions are surviving members of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team who served WWII. The biggest problem was that the US military placed bounties on unknown terrorist or Taliban supporters in Afghanistan. This politicy unwittingly led to personal, family, or clan retribution for the past 2000 years which those accused supporting terrorism really had nothing to do with that. However, because of the fear emphasized in the second question, it placed a great dilemma within the military and public policy. And the consequence has now led to questioning the entire program even though it is following the Ex Parte Quinn case, to some degree.
The 442nd can't comment to this. Different war, different purpose, different attitude, different country, different culture. Just different. And who is to say what was prevented by the actions taken? We don't know.
You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
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quote: Originally posted by davdah:
Why give it a rest. We're getting ready for a big election. This will continue, as it should, until election day. Then once McCain wins and the Dems are done crying the blues it can be given a rest.
Hi Jasmin, I agree with Davdah on this one - except for the last statement. (Davdah -  ) If that "someone" you're referring to is me, I can assure you it's not for spotlight purposes. LOL! As a PR who was curious about the candidates' immigration stand (and now I know both are going to give amnesty), the discussion gave insights also to the mindset of some Reps and Dems. I think it's very informative as well and benefits not just PR's like me who are "shopping" so to speak, for our political party but also gives a chance for supporters from other sides to see a different viewpoint. Of course, I have to sift through some jokes and nonsense sometime, but over-all, I believe it's a good discussion. When I have questions about politics, this is where I ask the old-timers' opinions as well. You can choose to ignore it also. Just to say that your past inputs were good so it's up to you. Other threads are going on for some time and will continue on indefinitely (CM's avatar thread and E's song thread). This thread, however, will last only until the winner is proclaimed.
Do all the good you can, in all the ways you can, as long as ever you can.
--John Wesley
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| Posts: 1504 | Location: Georgia | Registered: 12-22-2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by davdah: quote: Originally posted by Hudson: quote: Originally posted by davdah:
I agree its a tough call. On one hand you have people's lives you're trying to keep safe. The other is decency in interrogation. Which is more important? Add to that the unknown factor. Is the person even guilty or know anything of value? This is like the screening at airports. Each of us knows that we are not carrying anything explosive and don't like being inconvenienced with taking our shoes off or being groped. The problem is the screener doesn't know. All are guilty until proven innocent. Would we prefer the quicker lines and no security?
The only ones who can truly answer both questions are surviving members of the 442nd Regimental Combat Team who served WWII. The biggest problem was that the US military placed bounties on unknown terrorist or Taliban supporters in Afghanistan. This politicy unwittingly led to personal, family, or clan retribution for the past 2000 years which those accused supporting terrorism really had nothing to do with that. However, because of
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