Originally posted by iperson: Nobody's pro-abortion Koller, neither am I. But pro-choice means pro-abortion.
In nature animals consistently kill their babies, esp. those that are born weak and disabled. They leave them to die on their own and don't take care of them. Routinely, it's part of nature.
I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-choice. Abortion would be the last option I would take. There is tons of ways not to have to abort.
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Originally posted by iperson: Nobody's pro-abortion Koller, neither am I. But pro-choice means pro-abortion.
In nature animals consistently kill their babies, esp. those that are born weak and disabled. They leave them to die on their own and don't take care of them. Routinely, it's part of nature.
I am not pro-abortion, I am pro-choice. Abortion would be the last option I would take. There is tons of ways not to have to abort.
Of course, there's no question about it, but we're talking about the law and detailed code referring to different situations. It's about writing a detailed policy on this complex issue.
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All right Jasmin, but what does experience mean? Bush had some governor's experience and what did he do? Ruined this country. It's about judgement, not experience. You can have all the wrong experience in the world, and have disastrous consequences on this country.
I still feel this is just your excuse Jasmin.
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Jasmin, your problem is that you blindly are not willing to learn more about Obama. Things you say are because you know nothing about him. If you let yourself open your mind just a little, you would see how wrong you are.
But I think I know what it is that prohibits many white people in this country to support him, even though he is half white. Maybe you should try and start thinking about him as a white guy, not a black one. I think it would be a helpful start. Now, if his skin was completely white, I don't think we'd be having this conversation right now.
"While the term racism usually denotes race-based prejudice, violence, discrimination, or oppression, the term can also have varying and hotly contested definitions. Racialism is a related term, sometimes intended to avoid these negative meanings. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, racism is a belief or ideology that all members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially to distinguish it as being either superior or inferior to another racial group or racial groups. The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief. The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."
I think this is the crux of the matter Jasmin. It's not that Obama doesn't have a long record of public service (he does have a long one enough), but you inherently feel that because Obama is Black, he is not intelligent enough or capable enough to handle this job. DOn't you Jasmin?
And so does JermCool, and Davdah, and Hudson, and PUSC. So you're in a company Jasmin.
In a couple decades in this country white race is going to become a minority, and yes we will see Hispanic presidents, and Indian, and maybe even Chinese. And that is fine because they also represent a growing minority that is going to outnumber the white race.
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Originally posted by iperson: All right Jasmin, but what does experience mean? Bush had some governor's experience and what did he do? Ruined this country. It's about judgement, not experience. You can have all the wrong experience in the world, and have disastrous consequences on this country.
I still feel this is just your excuse Jasmin.
In my personal judgement, Bush has never used his experience whenever it was a judgemental call. Rather he has always relied blindly on his advisors, even when he was a TX governor, like Karl Rove, Andy Card and etc...That's why I was against of his candidacy from the beginning.
Otherwise, someone MUST need enough experience in govt. sector to handle this most powerful job in the world.
So what makes you think that the senile, forgetful McCain will use his experience? Do you think that his experience in corruption (special interests) will help him have a good judgement? Do you think his imprisonment at war will be helpful in detaining prisoners in Guantanamo Bay? The question is whether his experience will be a positive one or a negative one.
As I said, I don't think you're being honest with yourself when you put forward experience as the prevailing argument. THis has to do with his capabilities as a black man. And yes dear, it is racism. Because it is not true that the white race is superior to any other races. In many ways it is inferior, and to tell you the truth, hearing you and people like you speak, makes me ashamed of me being a white person and my race. I'd rather be black.
I am a proud heart-bleeding tree-hugging latte-sipping urban-dwelling elitist progressive liberal.
How many mothers have you hypocrite repugs killed? How many have you left to fend for themselves, and then vilify them for relying on welfare. How many drop out of college and end up on welfare for most part of their life? Where are your solutions to teen pregnancies? The truth you don't care about the mothers, the wives, and the women. You don't care about their babies either. You use this issue for political gains but never really care about the mothers and the "babies" (fetuses).
Preganancy is a medical state, and should be dealt with medically. It is not a civilized society that leaves its citizens to endanger their lives, and which doesn't have any solutions to change the situation.
Hypocrites.
Pregnancy is a medical state? Typical liberalism. Dehumanize it to justify killing it. Have you seen what that medical state looks like? It doesn't look like a chicken, I'll tell you that. If choice is what you want, fine. But exercise those choices on your own body, not someone else's
It isn't any party's fault that teenage girls get pregnant. Its there own. No one told them to bop anyone. This is part of that weak argument that says they will do it anyway so its our fault for not coddling the result. Or, we must enable the forgoing of their God given responsibility for their actions.
Vote Republican and this country will still be worth sneaking into.
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McCain will win this coming election, whether in landslide or not remains to be seen, but that he will win it can hardly be questioned now.
The reason he will win is that he is a "maverick", charismatic person who has appeal to broader voter pool. Not really the guy that party base is too happy with, but one they chose as a necessary compromise - to win the GE, which is not decided by hardcore base but by mainstream population where , on top of it, some tiny margin of swing voters decide whether one will be elected (or not) to the highest office in the country.
Democrats seem to be doing all they can to lose this election, as they did last time, and they very well deserve what they get for all I can see. How on earth will Obama compete with McCain come November the 4th If he was running against Rush Limbaugh, then who knows what the outcome would be, but McCain
Originally posted by iperson: All right Jasmin, but what does experience mean? Bush had some governor's experience and what did he do? Ruined this country. It's about judgement, not experience. You can have all the wrong experience in the world, and have disastrous consequences on this country.
I still feel this is just your excuse Jasmin.
In my personal judgement, Bush has never used his experience whenever it was a judgemental call. Rather he has always relied blindly on his advisors, even when he was a TX governor, like Karl Rove, Andy Card and etc...That's why I was against of his candidacy from the beginning.
Otherwise, someone MUST need enough experience in govt. sector to handle this most powerful job in the world.
So what makes you think that the senile, forgetful McCain will use his experience? Do you think that his experience in corruption (special interests) will help him have a good judgement? Do you think his imprisonment at war will be helpful in detaining prisoners in Guantanamo Bay? The question is whether his experience will be a positive one or a negative one.
As I said, I don't think you're being honest with yourself when you put forward experience as the prevailing argument. THis has to do with his capabilities as a black man. And yes dear, it is racism. Because it is not true that the white race is superior to any other races. In many ways it is inferior, and to tell you the truth, hearing you and people like you speak, makes me ashamed of me being a white person and my race. I'd rather be black.
I've been out of the country for a week, but I just don't understand why things digressed to the nastiness they have in this thread. What's up? Everyone is entitled to their own political opinion, so who died and made anyone God while I was away?
This is the result of them stupid moron liberalists
Human Remains Found in Dumpster of Abortion Clinic By Penny Starr CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer March 14, 2008
(CNSNews.com) - The Michigan Department of Environmental Quality and the Lathrup Village (Mich.) Police Department are investigating the contents of a dumpster behind the WomanCare abortion clinic where body parts of aborted babies, bio-hazardous materials and patients'medical records were found earlier this month.
"I was aware of the reality of abortion, but it was unnerving," Police Sgt. Vincent Lynch said of viewing the evidence, adding that "intact fetuses" were among the debris.
The clinic, in Lathrup Village, and several others in the Detroit area, are owned by Dr. Alberto Hodari, a controversial abortionist who was caught on videotape late last year telling medical students that doctors have "a license to lie," as reported by Cybercast News Service, and who has been outspoken about his opposition to a ban on partial-birth abortion.
At least one patient died -- a 15-year-old girl in 2004 -- following an abortion at one of Hodari's clinics, but no criminal charges were filed.
The Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) will decide if the improper disposal of "pathological waste" at the Lathrup Village clinic violates civil or administrative statues, according to Robert McCann, press secretary for the state agency.
Because this kind of disposal is not considered criminal, Hodari could receive a warning or be fined, depending on the results of the investigation, McCann said.
Lynch said he is meeting next week with the Oakland County prosecutor's office to determine whether the county will bring criminal charges against Hodari for improperly disposing of medical records, which is a misdemeanor under state law and punishable by a maximum sentence of 90 days in jail.
Monica Migliorino Miller, professor of sacred theology at St. Mary's College of Madonna University, Orchard Lake, Mich., and founder and director of Citizens for a Pro-life Society, said she and other pro-life activists had been monitoring the trash receptacles at the Lathrup Village clinic and two other clinics between Feb. 8 and March 2.
Medical waste and patient records were found at all three sites, but when the police and DEQ officials found human remains in the Lathrup Village dumpster, the investigation was launched.
"My ultimate hope is that (Hodari's) license is revoked and his practice shut down," Miller told Cybercast News Service. "And being a pro-life activist, I hope we can get exposure about what happens in the abortion business."
Hodari did not return repeated calls to his Lathrup Village clinic requesting an interview.
Miller and other activists transported contents from dumpsters to her home where they sorted and videotaped the contents of black plastic bags, which included syringes, bloody suction canulas, condoms, plastic gloves and human arms, spinal columns and fully-formed hands the size of a ballpoint pen tip. (The video, which is graphic, is posted on YouTube.com.)
The case has raised questions about laws concerning medical waste and proper procedure when pathological waste is put in an open trash container.
"It's been terrible," Lynch said. "Michigan laws are truly inadequate in this regard."
He said he is frustrated that misdemeanor charges for the patient records is the only charge that can be levied, particularly in light of the public health risk the dumpster content could have posed.
"Animals could go in there and drag that stuff around," Lynch said, adding that the clinic is next to a residential area. "And the guy at the landfill or the rodents or whatever that go to the landfill. I don't know how long viruses or whatever can live, but if it rains and there is runoff, it could contaminate the ground water."
Proper disposal of medical waste requires specially designed and marked red containers and collection by companies with personnel trained to handle potentially toxic materials.
Lynch said no forensic work was done on the tissue or blood found in the dumpster.
"Was there testing done?" he said. "No."
The DEQ photographed the dumpster's contents and police documented the evidence. The human remains were then released to Miller, who has given them to a local funeral home where they will be buried after the investigation and possible legal action are complete.
Since the late 1980s, Miller has helped bury thousands of aborted babies.
She said she marks the tombstones of the common graves with the words, "Holy Innocents of God," includes the date the remains of the unborn were recovered, and includes a verse from the Bible from the book of Jeremiah, The Lord says, 'A sound is heard in Ramah, a sound of crying in bitter grief. It is the sound of Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because her children are gone.'"
Pro-life activists who heard about the Michigan case told Cybercast News Service that they are not surprised by the dumpster discovery.
"The only difference between Hodari and the typical abortion provider is that Hodari got caught," said Mark Crutcher, founder and president of Life Dynamics.
"This outrageous behavior is what we've found is typical of many abortion clinics," Troy Newman, president of Operation Rescue, said, adding that abortion clinics don't attract the best and brightest in the medical field.
"Abortion by its very nature draws the lowest of the low to this kind of medicine," he said. "The fine doctors have life-saving, not life-ending practices."
I am not racist. I am not anti-immigrant. I am AGAINST CRIMINALS, FRAUDSTERS, WHO DISOBEY THE LAW, BREAK THE LAW AND PERPETRATE THE FRAUD.
You may not like what I have to say but that does not mean I am wrong.
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Originally posted by iperson: All right Jasmin, but what does experience mean? Bush had some governor's experience and what did he do? Ruined this country. It's about judgement, not experience. You can have all the wrong experience in the world, and have disastrous consequences on this country.
I still feel this is just your excuse Jasmin.
In my personal judgement, Bush has never used his experience whenever it was a judgemental call. Rather he has always relied blindly on his advisors, even when he was a TX governor, like Karl Rove, Andy Card and etc...That's why I was against of his candidacy from the beginning.
Otherwise, someone MUST need enough experience in govt. sector to handle this most powerful job in the world.
So what makes you think that the senile, forgetful McCain will use his experience? Do you think that his experience in corruption (special interests) will help him have a good judgement? Do you think his imprisonment at war will be helpful in detaining prisoners in Guantanamo Bay? The question is whether his experience will be a positive one or a negative one.
As I said, I don't think you're being honest with yourself when you put forward experience as the prevailing argument. THis has to do with his capabilities as a black man. And yes dear, it is racism. Because it is not true that the white race is superior to any other races. In many ways it is inferior, and to tell you the truth, hearing you and people like you speak, makes me ashamed of me being a white person and my race. I'd rather be black.
I've been out of the country for a week, but I just don't understand why things digressed to the nastiness they have in this thread. What's up? Everyone is entitled to their own political opinion, so who died and made anyone God while I was away?
And what's nasty about what I said above?? Because this is the truth?
Or I get it, you've decided I am nasty in your group-think, and a racist and even though there is no evidence to support it, you still believe its true.
FYI, so far, I am the only person, with Kollerkrot, and maybe 4now, who is NOT a racist. Everything points to the fact that the people who are racists on this forum are: PUSC, Davdah, Jerm, and the other low lives who appear here with their worthless carp. I am nasty to you because you deserve it, mostly for your moronism, racism and stupidity.
I am a proud heart-bleeding tree-hugging latte-sipping urban-dwelling elitist progressive liberal.
Originally posted by iperson: All right Jasmin, but what does experience mean? Bush had some governor's experience and what did he do? Ruined this country. It's about judgement, not experience. You can have all the wrong experience in the world, and have disastrous consequences on this country.
I still feel this is just your excuse Jasmin.
In my personal judgement, Bush has never used his experience whenever it was a judgemental call. Rather he has always relied blindly on his advisors, even when he was a TX governor, like Karl Rove, Andy Card and etc...That's why I was against of his candidacy from the beginning.
Otherwise, someone MUST need enough experience in govt. sector to handle this most powerful job in the world.
So what makes you think that the senile, forgetful McCain will use his experience? Do you think that his experience in corruption (special interests) will help him have a good judgement? Do you think his imprisonment at war will be helpful in detaining prisoners in Guantanamo Bay? The question is whether his experience will be a positive one or a negative one.
As I said, I don't think you're being honest with yourself when you put forward experience as the prevailing argument. THis has to do with his capabilities as a black man. And yes dear, it is racism. Because it is not true that the white race is superior to any other races. In many ways it is inferior, and to tell you the truth, hearing you and people like you speak, makes me ashamed of me being a white person and my race. I'd rather be black.
I've been out of the country for a week, but I just don't understand why things digressed to the nastiness they have in this thread. What's up? Everyone is entitled to their own political opinion, so who died and made anyone God while I was away?
And what's nasty about what I said above?? Because this is the truth?
Or I get it, you've decided I am nasty in your group-think, and a racist and even though there is no evidence to support it, you still believe its true.
FYI, so far, I am the only person, with Kollerkrot, and maybe 4now, who is NOT a racist. Everything points to the fact that the people who are racists on this forum are: PUSC, Davdah, Jerm, and the other low lives who appear here with their worthless carp. I am nasty to you because you deserve it, mostly for your moronism, racism and stupidity.
There is one person who has created a nasty atmosphere on ILW and it sure as he.ll is not me. Enough said.
This is not a social club PUSC, let me remind you. Get off this board to socialize, play with avatars, and talk nonsense. This is not the place for empty chatter.
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Originally posted by iperson: FYI, so far, I am the only person, with Kollerkrot, and maybe 4now, who is NOT a racist. Everything points to the fact that the people who are racists on this forum are: PUSC, Davdah, Jerm, and the other low lives who appear here with their worthless carp. I am nasty to you because you deserve it, mostly for your moronism, racism and stupidity.
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