Peeps Obama dancing on the nomination

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Originally posted by whiteUSCNeedsHelp:
Peeps Obama dancing on the nomination

I'm a Obama supporter, but this is pretty d.amn funny! lmao!

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:

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Originally posted by whiteUSCNeedsHelp:
Peeps Obama dancing on the nomination

I'm a Obama supporter, but this is pretty d.amn funny! lmao!

See be my buddy and you shall see more

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Originally posted by whiteUSCNeedsHelp:

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:

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Originally posted by whiteUSCNeedsHelp:
Peeps Obama dancing on the nomination

I'm a Obama supporter, but this is pretty d.amn funny! lmao!

See be my buddy and you shall see more

I thought we already kissed and made up, WUSC?

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Originally posted by ProudUSC:

I thought we already kissed and made up, WUSC?

I always want more One ain't enough

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Smile I always want more WinkOne ain't enough Big Grin

*Takes note*

This piece is directed to 4now and all those posters interested in the immigration issue. I do appologise that it is a copied article but it is an excellent summary of the problem from a simpathetic perspective. 4now and some others won't like it but maybe they will give some extra thought to the plight of our 15 million undocumented.

HERE IT IS:

Here's another New York Times editorial that tells it like it is. I don't know any other publication that has been more vocal and on-the-mark about the injustices of the current American approach to immigration enforcement-without-reform than the Times. The Roman Catholic Church, Sojouners, ELCA, and a few other religious groups have also been consistently assertive about the need for justice, grace and humanity in immigration policies.

I'm wondering what we could do to show the world, and Washington, that the American people care about our neighbors without immigration status and demand justice for them. I'm thinking, something like a two-week "surge" of people, moving from the coasts to a central point, or maybe to Washington, converging on July 4th with a great concert and celebration and party and worship service.

Can we call this, or something like this, into being somehow, with prayers and preparations?

Jonathan Robert Nelson
5th Avenue Presbyterian Church NYC


June 3, 2008


The Great Immigration Panic



Someday, the country will recognize the true cost of its war on illegal immigration. We don’t mean dollars, though those are being squandered by the billions. The true cost is to the national identity: the sense of who we are and what we value. It will hit us once the enforcement fever breaks, when we look at what has been done and no longer recognize the country that did it.

A nation of immigrants is holding another nation of immigrants in bondage, exploiting its labor while ignoring its suffering, condemning its lawlessness while sealing off a path to living lawfully. The evidence is all around that something pragmatic and welcoming at the American core has been eclipsed, or is slipping away.

An escalating campaign of raids in homes and workplaces has spread indiscriminate terror among millions of people who pose no threat. After the largest raid ever last month — at a meatpacking plant in Iowa — hundreds were swiftly force-fed through the legal system and sent to prison. Civil-rights lawyers complained, futilely, that workers had been steamrolled into giving up their rights, treated more as a presumptive criminal gang than as potentially exploited workers who deserved a fair hearing. The company that harnessed their desperation, like so many others, has faced no charges.

Immigrants in detention languish without lawyers and decent medical care even when they are mortally ill. Lawmakers are struggling to impose standards and oversight on a system deficient in both. Counties and towns with spare jail cells are lining up for federal contracts as prosecutions fill the system to bursting. Unbothered by the sight of blameless children in prison scrubs, the government plans to build up to three new family detention centers. Police all over are checking papers, empowered by politicians itching to enlist in the federal crusade.

This is not about forcing people to go home and come back the right way. Ellis Island is closed. Legal paths are clogged or do not exist. Some backlogs are so long that they are measured in decades or generations. A bill to fix the system died a year ago this month. The current strategy, dreamed up by restrictionists and embraced by Republicans and some Democrats, is to force millions into fear and poverty.

There are few national figures standing firm against restrictionism. Senator Edward Kennedy has bravely done so for four decades, but his Senate colleagues who are running for president seem by comparison to be in hiding. John McCain supported sensible reform, but whenever he mentions it, his party starts braying and he leaves the room. Hillary Rodham Clinton has lost her voice on this issue more than once. Barack Obama, gliding above the ugliness, might someday test his vision of a new politics against restrictionist hatred, but he has not yet done so. The American public’s moderation on immigration reform, confirmed in poll after poll, begs the candidates to confront the issue with courage and a plan. But they have been vague and discreet when they should be forceful and unflinching.

The restrictionist message is brutally simple — that illegal immigrants deserve no rights, mercy or hope. It refuses to recognize that illegality is not an identity; it is a status that can be mended by making reparations and resuming a lawful life. Unless the nation contains its enforcement compulsion, illegal immigrants will remain forever Them and never Us, subject to whatever abusive regimes the powers of the moment may devise.

Every time this country has singled out a group of newly arrived immigrants for unjust punishment, the shame has echoed through history. Think of the Chinese and Irish, Catholics and Americans of Japanese ancestry. Children someday will study the Great Immigration Panic of the early 2000s, which harmed countless lives, wasted billions of dollars and mocked the nation’s most deeply held values.


Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company

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Every time this country has singled out a group of newly arrived immigrants for unjust punishment, the shame has echoed through history. Think of the Chinese and Irish, Catholics and Americans of Japanese ancestry. Children someday will study the Great Immigration Panic of the early 2000s, which harmed countless lives, wasted billions of dollars and mocked the nation’s most deeply held values.

So poignant. And so ridiculous. The Chinese, the Irish, the Catholics, and the Japanese all came here legally. They followed the letter of the law. Yes, they were treated like dirt and unfairly. But these illegal immigrants (and this has been going on a LOT longer than just this decade) flaunted the law. WHY shouldn't it apply to them?! No one can answer that question!

WHY should the illegals be allowed to stay when FAMILIES have to wait OVER A YEAR?! Why give them a quick and easy path when THEY BROKE THE LAW!!!

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WHY should the illegals be allowed to stay when FAMILIES have to wait OVER A YEAR?! Why give them a quick and easy path when THEY BROKE THE LAW!!!

AMEN AMEN AMEN

Hudson---This a good one for you to read.

Here's another New York Times editorial that tells it like it is. I don't know any other publication that has been more vocal and on-the-mark about the injustices of the current American approach to immigration enforcement-without-reform than the Times. The Roman Catholic Church, Sojouners, ELCA, and a few other religious groups have also been consistently assertive about the need for justice, grace and humanity in immigration policies.

I'm wondering what we could do to show the world, and Washington, that the American people care about our neighbors without immigration status and demand justice for them. I'm thinking, something like a two-week "surge" of people, moving from the coasts to a central point, or maybe to Washington, converging on July 4th with a great concert and celebration and party and worship service.

Can we call this, or something like this, into being somehow, with prayers and preparations?

Jonathan Robert Nelson
5th Avenue Presbyterian Church NYC


June 3, 2008


The Great Immigration Panic



Someday, the country will recognize the true cost of its war on illegal immigration. We don’t mean dollars, though those are being squandered by the billions. The true cost is to the national identity: the sense of who we are and what we value. It will hit us once the enforcement fever breaks, when we look at what has been done and no longer recognize the country that did it.

A nation of immigrants is holding another nation of immigrants in bondage, exploiting its labor while ignoring its suffering, condemning its lawlessness while sealing off a path to living lawfully. The evidence is all around that something pragmatic and welcoming at the American core has been eclipsed, or is slipping away.

An escalating campaign of raids in homes and workplaces has spread indiscriminate terror among millions of people who pose no threat. After the largest raid ever last month — at a meatpacking plant in Iowa — hundreds were swiftly force-fed through the legal system and sent to prison. Civil-rights lawyers complained, futilely, that workers had been steamrolled into giving up their rights, treated more as a presumptive criminal gang than as potentially exploited workers who deserved a fair hearing. The company that harnessed their desperation, like so many others, has faced no charges.

Immigrants in detention languish without lawyers and decent medical care even when they are mortally ill. Lawmakers are struggling to impose standards and oversight on a system deficient in both. Counties and towns with spare jail cells are lining up for federal contracts as prosecutions fill the system to bursting. Unbothered by the sight of blameless children in prison scrubs, the government plans to build up to three new family detention centers. Police all over are checking papers, empowered by politicians itching to enlist in the federal crusade.

This is not about forcing people to go home and come back the right way. Ellis Island is closed. Legal paths are clogged or do not exist. Some backlogs are so long that they are measured in decades or generations. A bill to fix the system died a year ago this month. The current strategy, dreamed up by restrictionists and embraced by Republicans and some Democrats, is to force millions into fear and poverty.

There are few national figures standing firm against restrictionism. Senator Edward Kennedy has bravely done so for four decades, but his Senate colleagues who are running for president seem by comparison to be in hiding. John McCain supported sensible reform, but whenever he mentions it, his party starts braying and he leaves the room. Hillary Rodham Clinton has lost her voice on this issue more than once. Barack Obama, gliding above the ugliness, might someday test his vision of a new politics against restrictionist hatred, but he has not yet done so. The American public’s moderation on immigration reform, confirmed in poll after poll, begs the candidates to confront the issue with courage and a plan. But they have been vague and discreet when they should be forceful and unflinching.

The restrictionist message is brutally simple — that illegal immigrants deserve no rights, mercy or hope. It refuses to recognize that illegality is not an identity; it is a status that can be mended by making reparations and resuming a lawful life. Unless the nation contains its enforcement compulsion, illegal immigrants will remain forever Them and never Us, subject to whatever abusive regimes the powers of the moment may devise.

Every time this country has singled out a group of newly arrived immigrants for unjust punishment, the shame has echoed through history. Think of the Chinese and Irish, Catholics and Americans of Japanese ancestry. Children someday will study the Great Immigration Panic of the early 2000s, which harmed countless lives, wasted billions of dollars and mocked the nation’s most deeply held values.


Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company

JermCool---Maybe you might find something good in the following article.


Here's another New York Times editorial that tells it like it is. I don't know any other publication that has been more vocal and on-the-mark about the injustices of the current American approach to immigration enforcement-without-reform than the Times. The Roman Catholic Church, Sojouners, ELCA, and a few other religious groups have also been consistently assertive about the need for justice, grace and humanity in immigration policies.

I'm wondering what we could do to show the world, and Washington, that the American people care about our neighbors without immigration status and demand justice for them. I'm thinking, something like a two-week "surge" of people, moving from the coasts to a central point, or maybe to Washington, converging on July 4th with a great concert and celebration and party and worship service.

Can we call this, or something like this, into being somehow, with prayers and preparations?

Jonathan Robert Nelson
5th Avenue Presbyterian Church NYC


June 3, 2008


The Great Immigration Panic



Someday, the country will recognize the true cost of its war on illegal immigration. We don’t mean dollars, though those are being squandered by the billions. The true cost is to the national identity: the sense of who we are and what we value. It will hit us once the enforcement fever breaks, when we look at what has been done and no longer recognize the country that did it.

A nation of immigrants is holding another nation of immigrants in bondage, exploiting its labor while ignoring its suffering, condemning its lawlessness while sealing off a path to living lawfully. The evidence is all around that something pragmatic and welcoming at the American core has been eclipsed, or is slipping away.

An escalating campaign of raids in homes and workplaces has spread indiscriminate terror among millions of people who pose no threat. After the largest raid ever last month — at a meatpacking plant in Iowa — hundreds were swiftly force-fed through the legal system and sent to prison. Civil-rights lawyers complained, futilely, that workers had been steamrolled into giving up their rights, treated more as a presumptive criminal gang than as potentially exploited workers who deserved a fair hearing. The company that harnessed their desperation, like so many others, has faced no charges.

Immigrants in detention languish without lawyers and decent medical care even when they are mortally ill. Lawmakers are struggling to impose standards and oversight on a system deficient in both. Counties and towns with spare jail cells are lining up for federal contracts as prosecutions fill the system to bursting. Unbothered by the sight of blameless children in prison scrubs, the government plans to build up to three new family detention centers. Police all over are checking papers, empowered by politicians itching to enlist in the federal crusade.

This is not about forcing people to go home and come back the right way. Ellis Island is closed. Legal paths are clogged or do not exist. Some backlogs are so long that they are measured in decades or generations. A bill to fix the system died a year ago this month. The current strategy, dreamed up by restrictionists and embraced by Republicans and some Democrats, is to force millions into fear and poverty.

There are few national figures standing firm against restrictionism. Senator Edward Kennedy has bravely done so for four decades, but his Senate colleagues who are running for president seem by comparison to be in hiding. John McCain supported sensible reform, but whenever he mentions it, his party starts braying and he leaves the room. Hillary Rodham Clinton has lost her voice on this issue more than once. Barack Obama, gliding above the ugliness, might someday test his vision of a new politics against restrictionist hatred, but he has not yet done so. The American public’s moderation on immigration reform, confirmed in poll after poll, begs the candidates to confront the issue with courage and a plan. But they have been vague and discreet when they should be forceful and unflinching.

The restrictionist message is brutally simple — that illegal immigrants deserve no rights, mercy or hope. It refuses to recognize that illegality is not an identity; it is a status that can be mended by making reparations and resuming a lawful life. Unless the nation contains its enforcement compulsion, illegal immigrants will remain forever Them and never Us, subject to whatever abusive regimes the powers of the moment may devise.

Every time this country has singled out a group of newly arrived immigrants for unjust punishment, the shame has echoed through history. Think of the Chinese and Irish, Catholics and Americans of Japanese ancestry. Children someday will study the Great Immigration Panic of the early 2000s, which harmed countless lives, wasted billions of dollars and mocked the nation’s most deeply held values.


Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company

14 REASONS TO DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the United States . http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://www.house.gov/mccaul/pdf/Investigaions-Border-Report.pdf

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million *** Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

So using the LOWEST estimates, the annual cost OF ILLEGAL ALIENS is $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR! So if deporting them costs between $206 and $230 BILLION DOLLARS, get rid of em', We'll be ahead after the 1st year!!!

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JermCool---Maybe you might find something good in the following article.

Um...Chuck? My comment was in regards to that article which you posted 3 times...

As far as I know this is a thread on presidential race, not immigration.
Start your own thread on the topic or move it to an existing one people.

Jasmin, you are hopeless, as is your cause.
We are a movement. We are a revolution. We are unstoppable.
There is absolutely nothing you can do to stop millions of people that make the Obama nation.

Start getting used to the idea of Obama being the president.


HRC doesn't need to concede anymore as she already lost.

This is who you support:


This is where Bush and McSame were while Katrina hit New Orleans. A party.

At what point did a poorly photoshopped image become evidence?

Oh right. Liberal. We only have to think it for it to be true.

Don't give them a green card before those in line. Clear the line of those waiting patiently first, then after fines paid and all requirements met including background checks, the undocumented get green cards. There may be some form of temporary work permit for a probationary period and then they would get green cards. The way we are treating these families with the enforcement only policy is a horror and should stop immediately.