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You're wright mr. Jerm.

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Originally posted by iperson:
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The question is whether all the angry Clintonistas will follow their candidate's wishes and also give support to Obama.

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Originally posted by Mrs. B.:
Speaking of Barack and Hillary, it seems that you Davdah are losing the bet with Proud.

Maybe she will let you go of the community service punishment if you send us the picture of you cross-dressing. LOL!

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Originally posted by chuck:
JermCool---The question about the impact on the economy. My statement is an educated guess, in other words you might call it speculation. I do not have any hard data but I do follow the news quite comprehensively, and from looking at several states that have passed such repressive laws and made it so difficult for the undocumented that they are leaving those states, the impact of them leaving is becoming quite obvious. Business closings, slow business for the remaining, more for sale signs---not good. So, yes it is speculation and I think the risk is too great and CIR is much more appropriate in every way.

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Originally posted by 4now: BLUE SCRIPT NOW Posting response

Why? Becuase YOU say so?

Yes, and I have the events since IRCA of 1986 to back up my statement. The amnesty and the employer sanctions that were provided for in that law have never been enforced. It had been all old politics and status quo since then by letting the system fend for itself. The illegal population in its critical magnitude is the direct effect of such inaction.


As usual RN, you do not put any blame on these people that disrepected the laws of the land becuase they wanted to.. Not because they needed to..


Er, in case you haven't noticed, we feed them for FREE ,educate them, clothe them, Healthcare them, say thank you to the hardworking taxpayers here. We did that.. NOw go home and get in line and PLAY FAIR like the rest of us.
Well I see you didnt respond to the benelovance of the usa people paragraph. instead you get on the soapbox again saying nothing below.

Migration, emigration, and immigration are natural tendencies of men, that are, yes, as old as the history of men itself. It is more so in the case of America, the resplendent city on top of the hill, the dream destination of the world. What makes me wonder is that one country as great as the US can't or refused to adapt to this age-old truism that went side by side even before the time of its founding. Even the US Constitution framers themselves have this phenomenon in mind. Article 1 Section 8 has this to say: "To establish a uniform rule of Naturalization..." To me, this provision alone connotes that this country will be 'welcoming' peoples from all over the world into its fold. The legislative branch was ordained to undertake this task. Looking back, has it been done to the letter? If so, why do we complain about the effect of such a failure now?

Welcoming people who are inspected and have been approved for admittance for immigration.

Thank you Rev Wright.. oops, I mean Rev RN for that stirring sermon from the pulpit. Round of applause everybody

Sorry, but a devout catholic through and through.

Unfounded? Yours are the unfounded remarks.. Illegals have moved into major workforce markets that have taken away from the usa worker. You cannot deny construction and restaruant

Add to that the healthcare industry. Case in point. This particular portion of our economy is one of the prime sanctuaries for hiring illegal workers. Raids? Oops! They're off-limit, untouchables. Because these are jobs Americans don't want to do. Time to stop the hypocrisy. Construction and restaurants? Okay, Arizona is now feeling the pinch of their draconian anti-immigrant ordinances and it's only after only a few months of implementation. Construction projects have slowed down, and restaurants are moving their operations somewhere. For Rent signs on buildings are everywhere.


Thats ridiculous. Construction slowing down does not have anything to do with the illegals leaving those jobs. Those greedy restaurant owners are moving because they dont want to make less profit using legal help, and now they dont have the illegal customers to make that profit from. Good riddance. They didnt do anything to help the legal people here, just lining their pockets deeply. Same for the slumlords/landlords. It will take time to rebuild their towns and economy.


It doesnt matter what started Illegal immigration RN, the problem is that they are here and draining the system... Hence Illegal PEOPLE are a problem, despite whatever reason that they are illegal.

And the right thing to do, beyond pulling our hair and banging our chests because they are there causing us problem, is what? Never have I said, now and then, that they should be given a clean slate like the IRCA sort of amnesty. It has been proven to be a failure. What I said was that I submit to whatever formula the US Congress would come up with to address, deal with, or if possible, solve the problem. Because any problem is not meant to last, but meant to end. And looking the other way for so long now is not an intelligent option.

Rn, you already do not accept the fence project. You express some of the solutions as repressive, etc. Are you saying that you will support what congress comes up with even if you dont like the proposals/final legislations? are you going to accept them WITHOUT CRITICISM? You talk out of two sides of the mouth. The current legislations your are criticizing.... Why did you not just accept the current policy on illegals that sneak into the country? YOur obvious disrepect for the immigration policies is appalling. Your willingness to stand with people that break and fail to uphold the law of this great country is an act of betrayal, treachery, I will even go as far as saying TREASON. You cannot be on both sides... as you can not drink from two cups (evil/Lie and good/truth) You decide where you will stand in the harvest.

Ron Paul of course, not these three clowns.

Calling the three prevailing aspirants for the presidential nomination as 'clowns' is your First Amendment right. Ron Paul is a seasoned statesman and an honorable person. But, beyond the personalities involved, your obvious disrespect for the established process of selection institutionalized by the Twelfth Amendment of the Constitution is appalling. That's turning your back to the promise of allegiance that you have recited under oath during your naturalization ceremony. That's an act of treachery, an act of treason.

Hmmm....You are the person that is upholding the criminal acts of these lawbreakers that are in direct conflict with the laws here. Looks like, sounds like, must be... TREASON. Now me, I called the candidates clowns and you say it is an act of treason Oh yea, I forgot your fabrication about disrepecting the process.. crystal ball syndrome.. didnt take your meds again ,eh

Well some stupid person made up that saying. the voice of the people want to ok same *** marriages, I dont think that this is the voice of God.. at least that is not what the Bible teaches.. or is it Rev?

Beyond the controversy, hatred, and debate surrounding immigration, a little regard to the US Constitution that you promised to uphold is respectfully enjoined. As I said mixing my religion and faith with the things of this world is very seldom done by me, I already did a little bit in my previous post and that's it.
You mean to say Illegal migration.. You are confused, and/or if you are trying to confuse the masses like the media by using the term immigrants in regards to these illegals.... IT IS NOT WORKING>>AMERICA IS ON TO THIS TACTIC.
As usual, you havent given me even one reason... I didnt ask for 3 words

Not just the words, buddy. It's the inevitable meaning that the three words represent.

[/b]Pastor RN, then, accordingly, we should not be imprisoning criminals for their wrong deeds according to you and your take on things... correct?

As I said many times before, criminal acts could never be condoned. Once a criminal committed an act in violation of other people's rights and well-being, such criminal loses his own. He should pay his due, even with his own life. "Give unto Caesar what's for Caesar, and give unto God what's for God."

Yes I hope there is reform for legal immigrants and their families. This should not have any impact or relevance to illegals.

And ignoring their existence is poor governance and a dirty politics that's not good for America.
They have been like this for years.. a few more years is no big deal while our government should be sorting out how to reunite legal immigrant families and make new reforms that will unite families quicker and be more fair. Rewards for following guidelines and being patient.

It has been said, and will continue to be said, becauase it is the right thing to say. Write your congressman to uphold the american value by not rewarding cheaters and liars. Direct them to not give comprehensive immigration reward to illegals. Do reward those that do good and have stood in line with patience and sincerity. Now, Save your scriptures and sermon for the appropriate applications Rev. Wright, because everything you site can be used to not uphold the penal system. But why not, you already endorse criminals and lawbreakers running amongst us. Just open the doors to the jails and let these people out, after all the usa has seperated them from their families right... Get a grip.

Objection please, my consistent position was to submit to whatever lawful order and procedure to be undertaken by constitutionally ordained branches of government. Please review my old posts if you will.

You complain about it now, and you will complain about it in the future if CIR does not give illegals/undocumenteds path to greencards.

Said it before and will say it again....
Comprehensive immigration reform should not include any aspect of Illegals. The entire reform should be about families of legal immigrants and solving current problems entangling them and getting spouses and/or loved ones here. ONly then after these problems are solved should any other legislation be talked about. Can I get an Amen

I say amen to God, to the US Constitution, and to the lawful order.