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As one of those that's stood in line, I'm with the panther. It would be an irrevocable slap in the face to me, my USC husband, and to all the other people and their loved ones that have come before and that will come after.

Tell me, Chuck. What makes the illegals that cross the border better and more deserving than those of us that go the legal route and have to wait for months, if not years?


With all due respect to RN and Chuck, I do understand your points and the effort to work with the realities of the immigration mess we have right now, especially taking into account the effect of having severed families if the undocumented are deported, and these people are living with family members who are here legally. However, I think that still, the CIR should cover those who are here legally. Aroha is one of those waiting patiently in line, and for her and others in her shoes, it is but fair and equitable that the US should take care of the affairs of those who followed the law. Then of course, tackle also the problem of the illegal aliens as soon as the first group's problems are handled. It has gotten to the point of being such a humongous mess, and I feel that the government doesn't have the capability to resolve it all at once, so the ones who are following the law should be the ones given the priority. (Just to add, I'm not saying this because I may have immediate family members who are in the same quandary as Aroha. They're staying put in my first home country and are not intending to migrate here.)


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It is further irritating that Muslim has become a code word for arabic and pakistani.

This is unacceptable journalism period.

In the wake of 911 it looked like it was going to be another fiasco like the Japanese or the Iranian fiasco .. but no way was this going to happen in this day and age, even though many would have given it their blessing.

This muslim scare tactic thing has got to go. Let this man stand on his merits and attack or praise the real issues for which he stands.


Insofar as the word "Muslim" is being thrown about as if it's equivalent to the word "extremists" is sad indeed. The extremists are the terrorists, the ones responsible for senseless killings, NOT the Muslims.


Do all the good you can, in all the ways you can, as long as ever you can.

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Look who's here- Miss Jasmin herself.
Say whateva.. ya know?
I don't believe for one second that you wrote that long winded diatribe all by yourself.

You're wright mr. Jerm.

Sprint- what in the h e l l would indicate that I was eva switching to Hillary? Can't you read an entire paragraph? It clearly states how dumb those Clintonistas who vow to vote for Johnny boy (lol) really are. They will vote in the "American Taliban" to spite their v a g i n a s, and allow them to tell you what you can or cannot do with their wombs. (wonder if this is going to get bleeped).

Nice week ya'll.



Clintonistas? Hm, is someone listenging to Rush Limbaugh? A little too far right but its a start. Don't be a jack a.ss, think BIG, think elephant.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Nice play of words there Davdah.

But, IP will be back with you at that. 2hand


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Oh yes, I can hear it now. WHAT!!!!! &*%$@


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Some good news for the Dems:

Rupert Murdoch Predicts Landslide for Democrats

Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:19 PM

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News Corp Chief Executive Rupert Murdoch on Wednesday predicted a Democratic landslide in the U.S. presidential election against a gloomy economic backdrop over the next 18 months.


Murdoch has yet to endorse a U.S. presidential candidate but considers Barack Obama very promising, the media magnate said in an interview by two Wall Street Journal reporters at an annual conference for high-tech industry insiders.


News Corp recently acquired ownership of the Journal and its parent company Dow Jones & Co.

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To be fair, a good article for the Reps:

Carly Fiorina: McCain Is 'Perfect Enough'

Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:23 AM

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As chairman and CEO of Hewlett-Packard Company, Carly Fiorina coined the term “perfect enough” to goad the hidebound, overly cautious company to embrace change and innovation more quickly.

Now, as the Republican National Committee’s "Victory Chair," Fiorina is pushing John McCain for president. She says conservatives who are skeptical about him need to look at the broader picture.

“When people strive for perfection, they frequently don’t make much progress,” Fiorina tells Newsmax. “So what I said in my book ‘Tough Choices’ is, if you’re focused on making progress, if you’re focused on making the right choices, then perfect enough is usually better than perfect. And in this case, no candidate for president is perfect. John McCain is perfect enough.”


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Oh yes, I can hear it now. WHAT!!!!! &*%$@


She's as passionate about Obama as you are with McCain so there you go.

2hand


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I am not racist. I am not anti-immigrant. I am AGAINST CRIMINALS, FRAUDSTERS, WHO DISOBEY THE LAW, BREAK THE LAW AND PERPETRATE THE FRAUD.

You may not like what I have to say but that does not mean I am wrong.
 
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LOL WUSC!

I know you're for Ron Paul (am I right)? But if it boils down to Obama and McCain, are you gonna vote at all or boycott the elections altogether?


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Speaking of Barack and Hillary, it seems that you Davdah are losing the bet with Proud.

Maybe she will let you go of the community service punishment if you send us the picture of you cross-dressing. LOL! Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin


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Jasmine and Speed, just to reiterate, my moral support is for you. Hillary's chances are getting dim. Frown


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LOL WUSC!

I know you're for Ron Paul (am I right)? But if it boils down to Obama and McCain, are you gonna vote at all or boycott the elections altogether?


Nope in the end all of them are filthy *******s. They make promises but once elected they have memory issues. Can't seem to remember what they promised.


I am not racist. I am not anti-immigrant. I am AGAINST CRIMINALS, FRAUDSTERS, WHO DISOBEY THE LAW, BREAK THE LAW AND PERPETRATE THE FRAUD.

You may not like what I have to say but that does not mean I am wrong.
 
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Why? Becuase YOU say so?

Yes, and I have the events since IRCA of 1986 to back up my statement. The amnesty and the employer sanctions that were provided for in that law have never been enforced. It had been all old politics and status quo since then by letting the system fend for itself. The illegal population in its critical magnitude is the direct effect of such inaction.

Er, in case you haven't noticed, we feed them for FREE ,educate them, clothe them, Healthcare them, say thank you to the hardworking taxpayers here. We did that.. NOw go home and get in line and PLAY FAIR like the rest of us.

Migration, emigration, and immigration are natural tendencies of men, that are, yes, as old as the history of men itself. It is more so in the case of America, the resplendent city on top of the hill, the dream destination of the world. What makes me wonder is that one country as great as the US can't or refused to adapt to this age-old truism that went side by side even before the time of its founding. Even the US Constitution framers themselves have this phenomenon in mind. Article 1 Section 8 has this to say: "To establish a uniform rule of Naturalization..." To me, this provision alone connotes that this country will be 'welcoming' peoples from all over the world into its fold. The legislative branch was ordained to undertake this task. Looking back, has it been done to the letter? If so, why do we complain about the effect of such a failure now?

Thank you Rev Wright.. oops, I mean Rev RN for that stirring sermon from the pulpit. Round of applause everybody angel

Sorry, but a devout catholic through and through.

Unfounded? Yours are the unfounded remarks.. Illegals have moved into major workforce markets that have taken away from the usa worker. You cannot deny construction and restaruant

Add to that the healthcare industry. Case in point. This particular portion of our economy is one of the prime sanctuaries for hiring illegal workers. Raids? Oops! They're off-limit, untouchables. Because these are jobs Americans don't want to do. Time to stop the hypocrisy. Construction and restaurants? Okay, Arizona is now feeling the pinch of their draconian anti-immigrant ordinances and it's only after only a few months of implementation. Construction projects have slowed down, and restaurants are moving their operations somewhere. For Rent signs on buildings are everywhere.

It doesnt matter what started Illegal immigration RN, the problem is that they are here and draining the system... Hence Illegal PEOPLE are a problem, despite whatever reason that they are illegal.

And the right thing to do, beyond pulling our hair and banging our chests because they are there causing us problem, is what? Never have I said, now and then, that they should be given a clean slate like the IRCA sort of amnesty. It has been proven to be a failure. What I said was that I submit to whatever formula the US Congress would come up with to address, deal with, or if possible, solve the problem. Because any problem is not meant to last, but meant to end. And looking the other way for so long now is not an intelligent option.

Ron Paul of course, not these three clowns.

Calling the three prevailing aspirants for the presidential nomination as 'clowns' is your First Amendment right. Ron Paul is a seasoned statesman and an honorable person. But, beyond the personalities involved, your obvious disrespect for the established process of selection institutionalized by the Twelfth Amendment of the Constitution is appalling. That's turning your back to the promise of allegiance that you have recited under oath during your naturalization ceremony. That's an act of treachery, an act of treason.

Well some stupid person made up that saying. the voice of the people want to ok same *** marriages, I dont think that this is the voice of God.. at least that is not what the Bible teaches.. or is it Rev?

Beyond the controversy, hatred, and debate surrounding immigration, a little regard to the US Constitution that you promised to uphold is respectfully enjoined. As I said mixing my religion and faith with the things of this world is very seldom done by me, I already did a little bit in my previous post and that's it.

As usual, you havent given me even one reason... I didnt ask for 3 words Roll Eyes

Not just the words, buddy. It's the inevitable meaning that the three words represent.

[/b]Pastor RN, then, accordingly, we should not be imprisoning criminals for their wrong deeds according to you and your take on things... correct?

As I said many times before, criminal acts could never be condoned. Once a criminal committed an act in violation of other people's rights and well-being, such criminal loses his own. He should pay his due, even with his own life. "Give unto Caesar what's for Caesar, and give unto God what's for God."

Yes I hope there is reform for legal immigrants and their families. This should not have any impact or relevance to illegals.

And ignoring their existence is poor governance and a dirty politics that's not good for America.

It has been said, and will continue to be said, becauase it is the right thing to say. Write your congressman to uphold the american value by not rewarding cheaters and liars. Direct them to not give comprehensive immigration reward to illegals. Do reward those that do good and have stood in line with patience and sincerity. Now, Save your scriptures and sermon for the appropriate applications Rev. Wright, because everything you site can be used to not uphold the penal system. But why not, you already endorse criminals and lawbreakers running amongst us. Just open the doors to the jails and let these people out, after all the usa has seperated them from their families right... Get a grip. boat

Objection please, my consistent position was to submit to whatever lawful order and procedure to be undertaken by constitutionally ordained branches of government. Please review my old posts if you will.

Said it before and will say it again....
Comprehensive immigration reform should not include any aspect of Illegals. The entire reform should be about families of legal immigrants and solving current problems entangling them and getting spouses and/or loved ones here. ONly then after these problems are solved should any other legislation be talked about. Can I get an Amen 2Angel_anim


I say amen to God, to the US Constitution, and to the lawful order.

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Thats the problem. There is no lawful order.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Speaking of Barack and Hillary, it seems that you Davdah are losing the bet with Proud.

Maybe she will let you go of the community service punishment if you send us the picture of you cross-dressing. LOL! Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin



Oh yes please!!!! Big Grin


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Thats the problem. There is no lawful order.


And lawful order does not and will not happen by itself.






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Only by righteousness and will of the people.


Sorry Sprint, a deal is a deal. Community service is my limit. The day of dress up to save thy skin has long since passed. Would only be funny looking now.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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