Hi 4Now,

Yup, she wants to be his VP!

I can almost imagine Barack saying - You wish! LOL!

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Originally posted by Hudson:

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Originally posted by chuck:
Iperson--your point that there is really nothing we can do about it so we better try to be more civil in our dealings makes much sence.

Chuck,
There is a lot you can do if you start with the little things first. For instance, go to zone planning meeting that are not in your neighborhood. Go to City or County council meetings, go to School Board meetings. Go to community meetings. Or volunteer with a nonprofit organization on a regularly basis. Become a mentor. But do something instead of just smacking away in an internet forum. But the problem is most people want someone else to do something, to sacrifice, to make the "hard decision," yet only want to come into the fray when it is convenient.

If you cannot change or help people around you in your own area, then how can you change the world.

Hudson-Your advice is appropriate for someone that only "smack away on some internet forum".However I take offence to the implication that I am one of these folks. As a start, I am on 5 local boards including Habitat for Humanity. I have participated in the building of 12 houses since Habitat was formed in this county. I have been a part of 9 mission teams 2 to Haiti, 4 to Mississippi and Louisiana to help rebuild after Katrina, and work with the youth minister and mentor young folks. I volunteer to the state Dept of Natural Resources and Conservation Dept monitoring a stream for water quality. I go to city meetings and school board meetings. My time is appropriately utilized.

The reason I post on The Immigration Forum is beacuse I am very interested in the plight of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. My direct experience with this issue is mentoring a fine young man for the last 5 years who was a target for ICE to deport. We campaigned and gathered forces and reasons to support his fight with immigration which after 5 years was successful in a ruling of "cancellation of removal" and now ha has his Green Card. Someday he hopes to be a citizen.

There are other things that I participate in which are volunteer and too numerous to list. I am really not happy about stating the things I do, but had to set the record straight after your statement about, "smacking away on some internet forum" and not doing anything

Hi Chuck,

Good for you!

I'm sure that that young man you helped is grateful for the help you extended to him and will follow your steps in helping other people as well.

Straight from the ILW Weekly, an article about McCain and his thoughts on immigration:

McCain Says Immigration Reform Should Be Top Priority
By Michael Luo

SAN JOSE—In yet another sign of his pivoting toward the general election, Senator John McCain said at a roundtable with business leaders here today that comprehensive immigration reform should be a top priority for the next president.

Mr. McCain’s willingness to address the issue was striking given how the topic became something of a third-rail for Republican presidential candidates during the primary.
When Mr. McCain’s presidential bid stalled last summer, many blamed his advocacy for the immigration reform bill in the Senate, which included a pathway to citizenship for the illegal immigrants already here in the country.

The measure failed last spring after a firestorm of grassroots opposition. The issue became an important touchstone in the Republican primary, as the candidates scrambled to one-up each other in their tough talk on immigration as they sought to appeal to primary voters.

Mr. McCain largely stopped talking about the issue and repeatedly invoked a mantra that he had gotten the message from voters that the borders needed to be secured first, before any solution for the illegal immigrants already here is addressed.

Since he became the presumptive Republican nominee, Mr. McCain has given major speeches on a broad range of issues but has not given one on immigration.

He found a friendly audience, however, here today at a business roundtable held at a Silicon Valley technology firm that included Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, Meg Whitman, the former chief executive officer of eBay who was a leading supporter of Mitt Romney’s but has since begun raising money for Mr. McCain, and a host of executives from Silicon Valley firms.

After several of the business leaders complained about the difficulty in obtaining temporary H1B visas for scientists and engineers, something the Senate immigration bill was supposed to address, Mr. McCain expressed regret the measure did not pass, calling it a personal “failure,” as well as one by the federal government.

“Senator Kennedy and I tried very hard to get immigration reform, a comprehensive plan, through the Congress of the United States,” he said. “It is a federal responsibility and because of our failure as a federal obligation, we’re seeing all these various conflicts and problems throughout our nation as different towns, cities, counties, whatever they are, implement different policies and different programs which makes things even worse and even more confusing.”

He added: “I believe we have to secure our borders, and I think most Americans agree with that, because it’s a matter of national security. But we must enact comprehensive immigration reform. We must make it a top agenda item if we don’t do it before, and we probably won’t, a little straight talk, as of January 2009.”

Mr. McCain asked others on the panels for suggestions about how to “better mobilize American public opinion” behind the notion of comprehensive immigration reform.

Mr. Schwarzenegger, a strong supporter of immigration reform, chimed in, saying the effort could not be accomplished “piecemeal” and called for lawmakers to summon the “courage to go forward.”
“I think all of us have to keep that pressure on Congress,” he said.

Later, Mr. McCain took up the topic again, saying the problem of what to do with illegal immigrants already here needs to be solved, saying “they are also God’s children, and we have to do it in a human and compassionate fashion,” which drew applause from his audience.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/mccain-sa...uld-be-top-priority/

Since he shares this idea with Senator Kennedy, I wonder if we're getting closer to the light at the end of the tunnel - when both Reps and Dems agree and finally pass a bill for a comprehensive immigration reform.

Is Obama advocating free corrective surgery for kids with giant ears?

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Senator Kennedy and I tried very hard to get immigration reform, a comprehensive plan, through the Congress of the United States,” he said. “It is a federal responsibility and because of our failure as a federal obligation, we’re seeing all these various conflicts and problems throughout our nation as different towns, cities, counties, whatever they are, implement different policies and different programs which makes things even worse and even more confusing.”

Wasn't it Senator E. Kennedy that was trying to get a private bill passed that would allow 50,000 illegal/undocumented irish get greencards and path to citizenship? (McCain too i think.)

IMO, is one reason that I think Kennedy endorsed Obama. Obama is for giving amnesty and I think Kennedy has a deal worked out with Obama on it.


Free health care and surgery for big ears

Actually Aroha threw up a valid point. Obama is advocating free medical so this kid's support is guaranteed.

I am a supporter of Obama. I have just read a quote supposedly from his book "the Audasity of Hope", and I want to know if is an exact quote and what was the context it came from? Can anyone help? I must read the book.

I failed to give the quote. Here it is:

'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

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Originally posted by chuck:
I failed to give the quote. Here it is:

'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

There are a lot of sites quoting that one sentence. Looks like it may be legit, although considering it's just that one sentence, I'm inclined to wonder about the context.

I have to complement Obama today, though. He seems to have finally come to his senses about that church of hate he attended.

I would question the timing of his leaving, but I think even iperson could answer that one in total honesty. LOL

4now--Some path to legalization is the only way to start the process in a way that is ethical and in the Christian tradition. It is very satisfying that all the presidential candidates are on the same wavelength on this issue. If we don't get off this track of enforcement only, trying to make it so hard on Latino families they will leave, we will start the creation of an underclass and sometime in the future this group may explode.

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...we will start the creation of an underclass and sometime in the future this group may explode.

That class already exists. It's called 'cheap labor' for a reason.

And explosions are already occurring. And yes, I know this is from an anti-immigrant site, so ignore the rhetoric and look at the images.
http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/Dots.html

"Reap the whirlwind"

This is the problem I have with companies trying to justify "cheap labor". They enable people to break the law and when the government comes in to clean up the mess that THEY make, those images are the backlash. It's complete and utter bull.

Those companies should be held accountable. Hire illegal immigrants, pay a hefty fine.

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Originally posted by chuck:
4now--Some path to legalization is the only way to start the process in a way that is ethical and in the Christian tradition. It is very satisfying that all the presidential candidates are on the same wavelength on this issue. If we don't get off this track of enforcement only, trying to make it so hard on Latino families they will leave, we will start the creation of an underclass and sometime in the future this group may explode.

No path to legalization. It is not ethical nor is it Christian. christianity is not built on lies and stealing. In the opposite, the old and new testament have guidelines to take care of lies and stealing. It is unethical to disrespect the laws of a sovereign nation. this is cra-pola about creating an underclass. This does not and will not fly with the intelligent masses here. latino families are not the only people undocumented, as they are from all over the world that cross that border.

This sounds like a threat/blackmail to me about exploding if usa takes away rights that they technically do not have because they are not even supposed to be here. Are you saying a type of civil war is in the vision if they dont get their way??? It will be the end of Illegals/undocumented if that were to happen. Let them stay exactly as they are because this is more than they deserve. They have cut the working wage to pennies and continue to take jobs in this fashion. they have moved into the construction and restaurant industries, and more to come to work cheap and destroy the wage base.

Obama talks about taking away the incentives that bring them here so they wont sneak in, but I dont believe him for one moment because he wants to legalize them all. The other two clowns want to do the same.

Tell me Two good reasons that these cheaters should be legalized and not the brothers, sisters and other relatives legally waiting in line to come here on petiton from us citizen first? In fact, give me ONE good reason, Chuck why this would be fair and ethical. Christian traditions do not reward bad behavior over the good behavior.
God does not say..."I am saving up a place for you in the heavens. Disrepect and covet your neighbors good fortune becuase I will reward you for this." Did he say "Satan for all your hard and dishonest work, I am going to make sure that you are rewarded"

I get tired of this weak plea for why they need to become legal after all these years of just being here and driving down wages.

Go home.. get in line and come back in a legal way. Now that is ethical fair and christian.


Said it before and will say it again....
Comprehensive immigration reform should not include any aspect of Illegals. The entire reform should be about families of legal immigrants and solving current problems entangling them and getting spouses and/or loved ones here. ONly then after these problems are solved should any other legislation be talked about.

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Comprehensive immigration reform should not include any aspect of Illegals. The entire reform should be about families of legal immigrants and solving current problems entangling them and getting spouses and/or loved ones here. ONly then after these problems are solved should any other legislation be talked about.

Preach on, brother!!!

Jerm, I don't think that you will find just one sentence in his book structured so stupidly. I highly doubt that he would say anything like that.