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quote: Originally posted by davdah:
Who is paying for his campaign? Somebody is going to want some favors for those donations. I kinda go along with Aroha on this. None are ideal to either party.
Who is paying for who's campaign? Obama's? Like you don't know that? We all are Obama lobbyists. He will do all the people that fundet his campaign favors - like be a good president and restore America to what it once was. I can't vote, but I am very much involved and proud of it. Oh, and before I forget it, my kids are voting for me, so I really have 2 votes and they all go for BO.
.....I may condemn what you say, but I will risk my life for that you may say it - Voltaire!
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So now she is doing coffee commercials. If you're really board or waked out on too much caffeine, try this
Vote Republican and this country will still be worth sneaking into.
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| Posts: 4261 | Location: San Antonio TX | Registered: 06-08-2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by ProudUSC: quote: Originally posted by Aroha:
If anyone thinks JC doesn't do his homework on all the candidates, then let me assure you, he does, as do I, even though I can't vote.
We regularly discuss politics, or should I say, debate, since we generally have opposing views on the parties and policy. The only thing that he and I disagree on with the current candidates is that I think they're all a waste of time, whereas he thinks one is passable.
Aroha, I have to say I tend to agree with you on this one (no offense, JC). I was really into the election until all the mud slinging started. Now, I'm totally agnostic - not even sure I will vote.
Yeah, I should say right now- I knew it. Didn't I tell you? Hmmm... Kollerkrot, looks like we've got our work cut out for us.
I am a proud heart-bleeding tree-hugging latte-sipping urban-dwelling elitist progressive liberal.
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quote: Originally posted by Kollerkrot: quote: Originally posted by davdah:
Who is paying for his campaign? Somebody is going to want some favors for those donations. I kinda go along with Aroha on this. None are ideal to either party.
Who is paying for who's campaign? Obama's? Like you don't know that? We all are Obama lobbyists. He will do all the people that fundet his campaign favors - like be a good president and restore America to what it once was. I can't vote, but I am very much involved and proud of it. Oh, and before I forget it, my kids are voting for me, so I really have 2 votes and they all go for BO.
No special interest money? Oh please, open thy eyes. We'll never know though. At least not this time around. He'll lose but my guess is he'll come back in four years. Who knows, maybe next time.
Vote Republican and this country will still be worth sneaking into.
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| Posts: 4261 | Location: San Antonio TX | Registered: 06-08-2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by iperson:
Kollerkrot, looks like we've got our work cut out for us.
Oh yes! Please try to convert me. I take great pleasure in pointing out flaws in arguments. It's a character flaw of my own. Gets me in a lot of trouble with Aroha too. 
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| Posts: 775 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: 05-16-2008 | |
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quote: Originally posted by JermCool: Oh yes! Please try to convert me. I take great pleasure in pointing out flaws in arguments. It's a character flaw of my own. Gets me in a lot of trouble with Aroha too.
Oh yeah. JC regularly ruins my arguments with logic and fact. Very rude. 
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quote: Originally posted by Aroha:
If anyone thinks JC doesn't do his homework on all the candidates, then let me assure you, he does, as do I, even though I can't vote.
We regularly discuss politics, or should I say, debate, since we generally have opposing views on the parties and policy. The only thing that he and I disagree on with the current candidates is that I think they're all a waste of time, whereas he thinks one is passable.
Aroha, I definitely concur with Proud on this. |
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Poor America. It's like looking at ants trying to decide if to move their nest up on a hill so that it doesn't get flooded or not. One say: naahh.. I am too lazy to do anything. I'll just lie here for a little while doing nothing. Or I'll login to ilw and waste a little bit of my time playing with avatars, smilies, and fool around with other foolish ants. Whatever comes, I don't care. It's sunny today, it's dry, so what do I care? Then the next day the flood comes and the ants are gone with no homes, no security, blaming other ants. Poor America. As Ashley Brilliant says: try to relax and enjoy the crisis.
I am a proud heart-bleeding tree-hugging latte-sipping urban-dwelling elitist progressive liberal.
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quote: Originally posted by Kollerkrot:
JermCool, Obama spoke many-a-times about how you change Washington. You don't take money from PACs and Lobbyists, because it is (essentially) them that control what is going on in Washington that affects us. I am sure you know that. I think by him not taking any money from them, he doesn't have to bow to them and legislation will be more fair. I think this is how it is supposed to be.
It is not a question of how much talk one does, it is action when it comes to Washington. However, if he is elected, he will find 535 tigers, lions, piranhas, scorpions, etc on the other side of the fence all wanting a piece of something that he really cannot give. If you want a perfect example, look at 2006 mid term elections. the antiwar crowd actually thought they would get the troops out. As Shenahan said, "We were betrayed." Think about that for a moment. |
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quote: Originally posted by iperson:
Poor America.
It's like looking at ants trying to decide if to move their nest up on a hill so that it doesn't get flooded or not.
One say: naahh.. I am too lazy to do anything. I'll just lie here for a little while doing nothing. Or I'll login to ilw and waste a little bit of my time playing with avatars, smilies, and fool around with other foolish ants.
Whatever comes, I don't care. It's sunny today, it's dry, so what do I care?
Then the next day the flood comes and the ants are gone with no homes, no security, blaming other ants.
Poor America.
As Ashley Brilliant says: try to relax and enjoy the crisis.
Whut?  How many letters have you written to the government? Any branch? Seriously, dude. I am active in politics here. And yes, I see things that need to be changed for the better. Do I think Obama can do it? Not a chance in Hades.
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quote: Originally posted by Hudson:
Aroha,
I definitely concur with Proud on this.
I'm not sure I would go as far as to not vote, though I'd look beyond the candidates and at the party whose basic policy and values most mirrored my own. Here in New Zealand, we work on an MMP (Mixed Member Proportional) system and we vote separately for the candidate and the party. Last election, I had a major problem with all but one of our local candidates. Despite the fact that I would never normally support that candidates party, I felt he would best represent our electorate. I voted for him, and then for the party I usually support and whose general policies best reflected my own views.
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| Posts: 1051 | Location: Las Vegas | Registered: 07-29-2007 | |
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Warren Buffett endorses Obama! Here's the excerpt from Senator Obama's "Audacity of Hope" in which he quotes a conversation Obama has had with Buffet: "'I did a calculation the other day...Though I've never used tax shelters or had a tax planner, after including the payroll taxes we each pay, I'll pay a lower effective tax rate than my receptionist. In fact, I'm pretty sure I pay a lower rate than the average American. And if the President has his way, I'll be paying even less'"
"Before I left, Iasked Buffett how many of his fellow billionaires shared his views. He laughed.
"'I'll tell you, not very many...They have this idea that it's "their money' and they deserve to keep every penny of it. What they don't factor in is all the public investment that lets us live the way we do. Take me as an example. I happen to have a talent for allocating capital. But my ability to use that talent is completely dependent on the society in which I was born into. If I'd been born into a tribe of hunters, this talent of mine would be pretty worthless. I can't run very fast. I'm not particularly strong. I'd probably end up some wild animal's dinner.
"'But I was lucky enough to be born in a time and place where society values my talent, and gave me a good education to develop that talent, and set up the laws and the finanical system to let me do what I love doing-and make a lot of money doing it. The least I can do is help pay for all that."
I am a proud heart-bleeding tree-hugging latte-sipping urban-dwelling elitist progressive liberal.
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quote: Originally posted by iperson:
Warren Buffett endorses Obama!
Here's the excerpt from Senator Obama's "Audacity of Hope" in which he quotes a conversation Obama has had with Buffet:
"'I did a calculation the other day...Though I've never used tax shelters or had a tax planner, after including the payroll taxes we each pay, I'll pay a lower effective tax rate than my receptionist. In fact, I'm pretty sure I pay a lower rate than the average American. And if the President has his way, I'll be paying even less'"
"Before I left, Iasked Buffett how many of his fellow billionaires shared his views. He laughed.
"'I'll tell you, not very many...They have this idea that it's "their money' and they deserve to keep every penny of it. What they don't factor in is all the public investment that lets us live the way we do. Take me as an example. I happen to have a talent for allocating capital. But my ability to use that talent is completely dependent on the society in which I was born into. If I'd been born into a tribe of hunters, this talent of mine would be pretty worthless. I can't run very fast. I'm not particularly strong. I'd probably end up some wild animal's dinner.
"'But I was lucky enough to be born in a time and place where society values my talent, and gave me a good education to develop that talent, and set up the laws and the finanical system to let me do what I love doing-and make a lot of money doing it. The least I can do is help pay for all that."
Easy way to to see if this is true or not, have him voluntarily release his tax returns for the last 3 years. |
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quote: Originally posted by iperson:
GermCool.
Are we in Junior High right now?
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quote: Are we in Junior High right now?
Please no. Those who are nostalgic for childhood were obviously never children.
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quote: Originally posted by davdah:
jermcool, my sentiments exactly. Well, sorta. Since I understand her thinking I am actually offended by this comment, as should any other American. The arrogance is astounding, but predictable.
McCain, Hillary, Obama....All Of Them Are Crooked. One Will Sell The Country To Illegals, Other Will Sell USC To Illegal Immigrants Etc. None Of Them Deserve To Be President.
I am not racist. I am not anti-immigrant. I am AGAINST CRIMINALS, FRAUDSTERS, WHO DISOBEY THE LAW, BREAK THE LAW AND PERPETRATE THE FRAUD.
You may not like what I have to say but that does not mean I am wrong.
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| Posts: 1617 | Location: For Women In Your Heart | Registered: 05-05-2008 | |
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Looks like Obama will be nominated as Democratic candidate (not certain yet, but everything points to it), and then he will lose in GE to McCain. So much better, Army man knows better how to run things when it gets tough. As to stand on immigration, whole country will decide the outcome no matter who is at the helm. E. 
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quote: Originally posted by Aroha: quote: Originally posted by iperson:
GermCool.
Are we in Junior High right now?
I don't think she never left Aroha. |
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