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You're a bunch of gun brandishing cowboys with little brains, so I don't expect you to understand political nuances.
And I don't need to worry about anything GermCool. You should be worried about your party losing all seats in Congress, with no chances to win 08'.


I am a proud heart-bleeding tree-hugging latte-sipping urban-dwelling elitist progressive liberal.
 
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iperson, you're about a nuanced as a kick to the groin.

We've had a Democrat-controlled congress for the past 6 years. So even if the Republican's don't get a majority there, then what has changed?

However, Congress has a...26%?...approval rating even being Democrat-controlled. I think the Democrats need to focus on that fact as well.

iperson, I'm 32 years old. I've kept my eye on US politics even before I was old enough to vote. I don't own a weapon (the Army made me leave mine at the door). And I work IT, so I'm pretty sure the higher functions of my brain are still intact.

I would wager that you're a relatively well educated late-***** to early-twenties? So I would say the old adage applies here: If you're 20 and not liberal you're heartless. If you're over 30 and not conservative you're brainless.


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You're a bunch of gun brandishing cowboys with little brains, so I don't expect you to understand political nuances.
And I don't need to worry about anything GermCool. You should be worried about your party losing all seats in Congress, with no chances to win 08'.



Ever here of the 2nd amendment Iperson? I guess not. Go back and read it again. They all apply. Or did you acquire a case of selective amnesia? Jerm cool you left out stubborn, self righteous, inconsiderate, intolerant, and condescending.

I do own weapons. Always have, always will. tt2



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Lord - Chuck Norris is an old man. You think he can still kick!


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Probably.



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Lmao. Yep, I am a latte drinking liberal. I love latte, what's wrong with it?
As a matter of fact I just bought a brand new latte maker imported from Italy at Williams Sonoma. It's a great thing to have.

You see, I've got your figured out. You got me figured out.
And I made more calls to KY today and I got much more votes for Barack than yesterday. One guy was really pissed, but I just ignore it.
Yesterday I got a racist who simply said: I'd never vote for Obama. And hung up. Poor thing.. afraid they will take away his gun he uses to chase squirrels.
Big Grin


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Lord - Chuck Norris is an old man. You think he can still kick!

You question that which is Chuck Norris? dots


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And I made more calls to KY today and I got much more votes for Barack than yesterday. One guy was really pissed, but I just ignore it.
Yesterday I got a racist who simply said: I'd never vote for Obama. And hung up. Poor thing.. afraid they will take away his gun he uses to chase squirrels.

Let's look at some uncomfortable truths here.

1) You don't think some of those people are saying yes just to leave them alone? I said it here during the Primaries just so those morons would quit calling me. In the end, I never attended a one.

2) I, too, would never vote for Barack Obama. His policies are overly vague (sure, change Washington, but HOW?!) and those policies which he has laid out are overly liberal. If I'm voting against him just because of his platform, does that make me racist?

Why do liberals automatically jump to the conclusion that if we don't vote for their candidate we're biased against them because of race, religion, or ***?

Honest to God, if I hear someone tell me that I'm not voting for Hillary because she's a woman or Obama because he's black, I will have to chop my own foot off to stop myself from kicking them.


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This is beautiful!!

Sen. Robert Byrd endorses Obama


The Charleston Gazette reports an endorsement deep with symbolism: West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd is endorsing Barack Obama.

"Barack Obama is a noble-hearted patriot and humble Christian, and he has my full faith and support," Byrd says.

He said he has "no intention of involving myself in the Democratic campaign for President in the midst of West Virginia's primary election. But the stakes this November could not be higher."

Byrd, 91, a master of Senate rules and Iraq war foe, has spent much of his political career repenting the racism of his youth. He's acknolwedged having joined the Ku Klux Klan in 1942, and campaigned against civil rights legislation in the 1960s.

In The Audacity of Hope, Obama wrote of meeting Byrd, and their joint awareness of the past; his endorsement is a note of reconciliation that underscores Obama's message.

Obama wrote of meeting Byrd as new senator in one of his book's most compelling passages:

Listening to Senator Byrd I felt with full force all the essential contradictions of me in this new place, with its marble busts, its arcane traditions, its memories and its ghosts. I pondered the fact that, according to his own autobiography, Senator Byrd had received his first taste of leadership in his early twenties, as a member of the Raleigh County Ku Klux Klan, an association that he had long disavowed, an error he attributed—no doubt correctly—to the time and place in which he'd been raised, but which continued to surface as an issue throughout his career. I thought about how he had joined other giants of the Senate, like J. William Fulbright of Arkansas and Richard Russell of Georgia, in Southern resistance to civil rights legislation. I wondered if this would matter to the liberals who now lionized Senator Byrd for his principled opposition to the Iraq War resolution—the MoveOn.org crowd, the heirs of the political counterculture the senator had spent much of his career disdaining.

I wondered if it should matter. Senator Byrd's life—like most of ours—has been the struggle of warring impulses, a twining of darkness and light. And in that sense I realized that he really was a proper emblem for the Senate, whose rules and design reflect the grand compromise of America's founding: the bargain between Northern states and Southern states, the Senate's role as a guardian against the passions of the moment, a defender of minority rights and state sovereignty, but also a tool to protect the wealthy from the rabble, and assure slaveholders of noninterference with their peculiar institution. Stamped into the very fiber of the Senate, within its genetic code, was the same contest between power and principle that characterized America as a whole, a lasting expression of that great debate among a few brilliant, flawed men that had concluded with the creation of a form of government unique in its genius—yet blind to the whip and the chain.


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It seems Jerm you know little to nothing about Obama and his policies.
I'd suggest that you look up the Audacity of Hope - a book he wrote in which he lays out all his policies in a very plain accessible way. You'll know exactly where he stands on all issues.
You can also visit his website and read about the issues there too.
There is not one intelligent human that would oppose any of his policies for making this country great again.
I categorize Obama opponents into a few categories, not necessarily racists:
- the misinformed
- the brainwashed
- the evil

The first two categories are convertible as soon as they learn about Obama instead of resorting to stereotyping and dismissal. The last one, oh well. Can happen when hell freezes over.


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Hey Koller!
This is great news but not a surprise to me at all. I know how Obama admires sen. Byrd- the last of the vanishing old Washington brand.

I just finished "Audacity of Hope" today in the morning.


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I categorize Obama opponents into a few categories, not necessarily racists:
- the misinformed
- the brainwashed
- the evil

Oddly enough, that's how a lot of us perceive Obama supporters.


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And I made more calls to KY today and I got much more votes for Barack than yesterday. One guy was really pissed, but I just ignore it.
Yesterday I got a racist who simply said: I'd never vote for Obama. And hung up. Poor thing.. afraid they will take away his gun he uses to chase squirrels.

Let's look at some uncomfortable truths here.

1) You don't think some of those people are saying yes just to leave them alone? I said it here during the Primaries just so those morons would quit calling me. In the end, I never attended a one.

2) I, too, would never vote for Barack Obama. His policies are overly vague (sure, change Washington, but HOW?!) and those policies which he has laid out are overly liberal. If I'm voting against him just because of his platform, does that make me racist?

Why do liberals automatically jump to the conclusion that if we don't vote for their candidate we're biased against them because of race, religion, or ***?

Honest to God, if I hear someone tell me that I'm not voting for Hillary because she's a woman or Obama because he's black, I will have to chop my own foot off to stop myself from kicking them.


JermCool, Obama spoke many-a-times about how you change Washington. You don't take money from PACs and Lobbyists, because it is (essentially) them that control what is going on in Washington that affects us. I am sure you know that. I think by him not taking any money from them, he doesn't have to bow to them and legislation will be more fair. I think this is how it is supposed to be.


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If anyone thinks JC doesn't do his homework on all the candidates, then let me assure you, he does, as do I, even though I can't vote.

We regularly discuss politics, or should I say, debate, since we generally have opposing views on the parties and policy. The only thing that he and I disagree on with the current candidates is that I think they're all a waste of time, whereas he thinks one is passable.


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Who is paying for his campaign? Somebody is going to want some favors for those donations. I kinda go along with Aroha on this. None are ideal to either party.



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I just bought this Bialetti Mukka Glass Cappuccino/Latte Maker



n 1933, Alfonso Bialetti revolutionized home coffee brewing in Italy with this iconic stovetop espresso maker, now a fixture in nearly every Italian home and ubiquitous in kitchens throughout the world. The Bialetti company continues its tradition of innovation with this stovetop pot that transforms making a cappuccino or latte into a delightful experience. Made in Italy exclusively for Williams-Sonoma, the pot features a clear-glass pitcher that allows you to watch as rich, dark espresso and frothy steamed milk are layered to create the quintessential cappuccino or latte. Simply add water to the lower chamber and ground espresso to the filter, then add milk to the pitcher. As the water heats up, powerful steam pressure brews the espresso and combines it with steamed, frothed milk. 10-oz. cap., 8" high. A Williams-Sonoma exclusive.

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If anyone thinks JC doesn't do his homework on all the candidates, then let me assure you, he does, as do I, even though I can't vote.

We regularly discuss politics, or should I say, debate, since we generally have opposing views on the parties and policy. The only thing that he and I disagree on with the current candidates is that I think they're all a waste of time, whereas he thinks one is passable.


Aroha, I have to say I tend to agree with you on this one (no offense, JC). I was really into the election until all the mud slinging started. Now, I'm totally agnostic - not even sure I will vote.


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Who is paying for his campaign? Somebody is going to want some favors for those donations. I kinda go along with Aroha on this. None are ideal to either party.


Who is paying for who's campaign? Obama's? Like you don't know that? We all are Obama lobbyists. He will do all the people that fundet his campaign favors - like be a good president and restore America to what it once was. I can't vote, but I am very much involved and proud of it. Oh, and before I forget it, my kids are voting for me, so I really have 2 votes and they all go for BO.


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So now she is doing coffee commercials.

If you're really board or waked out on too much caffeine, try this



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