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But of course, Davdah! Big Grin
 
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Very Good Proud!


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Thanks, Davdah. Although I live here in the DC area, it's pretty rare to see Air Force One or the helicopters flying the President. They always fly with three planes/helicopters. So, you know when the President is being flown. It's cooler seeing the planes, though. But, I'll take what I can get - lol!
 
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1. unpatriotic 2.proven patriot

In your post earlier Koller about being proven beyond any doubt. Actually its a reasonable doubt. This primarily applies to criminal complaints. For others such as civil torts the evidence bar is much lower. There are plenty of convictions based on amassed circumstantial evidence in criminal law.


Davdah, you are annoying me. I think you are hopelessly conservative and seem to live in a different world. If you think he is unpatriotic so be it, that's your opinion.

I rest my case.

Although I do not totally agree with Davdah's post, he had a point in response to IP's post. IP's post is so idiotic and insipid while reeking of guilt by association. For instance, she said Obama peace, McCain hate. To equate hate with McCain, because he is a Republican nominee is the same to equate Obama with Muslim simply because his middle name is Hussein.

Second, you really need to learn about the ENTIRE Vietnam conflict from 1940 onward. I really do not understand why you said it was "A Republican Failure" when most of the military conflict was contributed by LBJ. In fact, it was a Republican who withdrew troops from Vietnam and why most South Vietnamese will never fully turst the US government in Asia again. But our involvement came with the consequence of France joining Nato against A potential Soviet dominated Europe. The blame lays squarely on Charles De Gaulle who was a staunch French Colonialist.


"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
 
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Hudson: I actually forgot to apologize about this. I noticed when you pointed it out this morning. I stand corrected - can't have it both ways.

I was not sure, but thanks for the clarification.


"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
 
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Thanks, Davdah. Although I live here in the DC area, it's pretty rare to see Air Force One or the helicopters flying the President. They always fly with three planes/helicopters. So, you know when the President is being flown. It's cooler seeing the planes, though. But, I'll take what I can get - lol!


Whats COOL is Working in D.C. and Seeing The Deceptive efforts Of S.S. and The Caravan Of Special Police Escorting the MAN!!!

Hes Probably actually in a PINTO no where near Them LOL.

Proud,
Did You Ever see The Shuttle Atop 747 Flying Around The Beltway? NOW THATS COOL!!!

SHUTTLE IS ENORMOUS! Looks Weird Like a Bu m bble Bee carrying a Cow!!!
 
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Question is will save or delay the decision Sen Clinton needs to make by June 15th?



Clinton Beats Obama in West Virginia

By Chris Cillizza
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Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) claimed an easy victory over Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) in West Virginia's presidential primary today, a win that increased the likelihood of her continued candidacy but did little to alter her position as a decided underdog in the race for the Democratic nomination.

Polls closed in the Mountain State at 7:30 p.m. eastern time, and moments later the television networks had called the race in Clinton's favor. The former first lady entered the race the strong favorite, and the latest polling suggested she would win by a wide margin.

For Clinton, the win - while expected - will further help her to justify remaining in the race despite her drubbing by Obama last week in North Carolina and her very narrow win in Indiana.

"I am more determined than ever to carry on this campaign until everyone has had a chance to make their voices heard," Clinton said defiantly during a victory rally in Charleston, W.Va., shortly after 9 p.m. eastern time. Clinton referenced her comebacks in January's New Hampshire primary and then again in Ohio and Texas in early March as evidence that she has been counted out before and is still standing. "This race isn't over yet," she said. "I am in this race because I believe I'm the strongest candidate."

Meanwhile, Sen. Bob Casey Jr. (Pa.), an Obama supporter, dismissed the potential problems of the clearly divided Democratic electorate -- arguing that when faced with a choice between Obama and Republican Sen. John McCain, many of these voters would side with Obama. "Voters are going to have a very clear choice," Casey said in an interview on MSNBC.

Clinton and her advisers have insisted that the contest is not yet over because neither she nor Obama have secured the total of 2,025 delegates needed to become the party's nominee. Those familiar with her thinking believe she is likely to stay in the race through at least June 3, when primaries in South Dakota and Montana will bring the nomination contest to a close.

The steady stream of superdelegates announcing their support for Obama, however, diminished the impact of Clinton's victory. Today alone, four superdelegates - including former Democratic National Committee Chairman Roy Romer - came out for Obama.

"The math is controlling," said Romer of his decision. "This race, I believe, is over."

That storyline was pushed by Obama's campaign in a memo distributed to reporters this afternoon. Obama's campaign conceded not just West Virginia but also Kentucky, which votes a week from today, to Clinton.

"But with 49 contests behind us and only six to go -- including several states where we expect to do well -- Barack Obama leads in pledged delegates, contest won, and superdelegates," argues the memo.

While Clinton will likely emerge from West Virginia with a double-digit gain among pledged delegates, she still faces a major math problem. Entering today's vote, Obama led Clinton in pledged delegates by 174 and had a 283-to-272.5 lead among superdelegates. In the past week, Obama has added 27 superdelegates - gains that effectively nullify Clinton's victory tonight.

In the face of such daunting odds, Clinton and her campaign remained resolute that her victory in West Virginia, when coupled with other primary wins in Rust-Belt states like Pennsylvania and Ohio, effectively make the argument that she is the stronger Democratic candidates against Sen. John McCain (Ariz.), the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

"With a record turnout expected in today's primary, West Virginia Democrats will make clear who they believe is the strongest candidate to take on Sen. McCain in the fall," reads a memo released by Clinton's campaign Tuesday afternoon. The memo also notes that no Democrat in the last 90 years has won the White House without carrying West Virginia.

"I think Democrats across the country tomorrow will be asking themselves why Senator Obama -- with all of his money, with all of the great press, with voters being told he was the inevitable nominee -- why did Senator Obama lose West Virginia by 15 points or so?" Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson asked on NBC's "Today" show.

Regardless of whether they believe she can win, Democratic voters seem content to let Clinton remain in the race through the end of the nomination fight. Nearly two-thirds of Democratic voters said Clinton should stay in the race in a recent Washington Post/ABC News survey, and almost 80 percent of West Virginia echoed that sentiment in exit polling, according to Fox News Channel.

West Virginia is one of just six contests left in the Democratic nomination fight. Kentucky and Oregon will cast ballots next Tuesday, while Puerto Rico will hold its primary on June 1. South Dakota and Montana will close out the campaign on June 3.

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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
 
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I read where Obama now has the majority of superdelegates, so not sure if this win will be enough for Hillary. I don't support the idea of superdelegates deciding a race, but I didn't make the rules - lol!
 
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if they stop and ask themselves which is stronger to go against mccain then the supers will vote for Hillary.
 
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GO HILLARY!!!




You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Davdah you're sporting the wrong chicken, don't you have your own "Republican Chicken"?

I don't think Hillary is the strongest candidate. I think she is not connecting to that broad spectrum of Democratric voters in the way Sen. Obama does.

I didn't like yesterday what she did in her "Victory Speech" - how she pushed the subject of West Virginia being a state favoring whites. This is polarizing the country/voters, and is not good for America.

I hope Sen. Obama will make it. It's gonna be good for the whole country.


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This is actually a joke. From a bet with ProudUSC a while back. Doesn't surprise me that Hillary is playing the race card. Just wait. It will get worse.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Wow, Davdah - that was many pages ago (like page 5 & 6 of this thread) lol! Is the bet still on??? Smile
 
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Yes it is. I do keep my word.


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And I will keep mine as well, Davdah! Smile
 
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Easy to do when you're the winner Wink


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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Well, it's not over yet. Is it??????
 
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I'm about ready to conceide. Hillary has lost her momentum and her biggest supporter.


You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
 
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lmao Big Grin
 
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I'm about ready to conceide. Hillary has lost her momentum and her biggest supporter.


Davdah,

I am so very happy to report to you that Sen. Obama is featuring a very shine little American flag on his lapel.

Very happy indeed!


"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
 
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