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Originally posted by Hudson:
Davdah,
Whether Sen Obama wears a US flag Lapel Pin or not, whether he is associated wit Rev Wright or not, whether his middle name is Hussein or not, and whether he salutes the flag or not, all of these are non issues in a presidential race. They maybe a topic that a 527 group might go after.

Second, associating Sen Obama with known and convicted trators does not serve the public well. It provides a false perception of Sen Obama, the same way people associate Pres bush with the rulers of Saudi Arabia. It is stupid.

Nor do I like when people associate McCain for McSame. The same principle applies.

Now, I have not decided whom to vote for. I am an independent and have not registered with any party. Personally, I wish Sen Clinton would withdraw from the race so that the general election campaigns can start. This is not to help any particular political party, but to now get the details to the questons that many people are asking. I want to know what the true costs are for the health insurance plan that Sen Obama proposed as well as any proposal by Sen McCain. I also want questions to how to fix the economy beside the traditional political mudslinging of blaming that industry or another. Those are not solutions, but sound bites. How to create an effective foreign policy that can deal with terrorist sponsoring states? The answers to these questions can be answered in the general election where neither party candidate has to appease its core constituents. That is the challenge for both Sen Obama and McCain.

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Originally posted by Kollerkrot:

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Originally posted by Hudson:
Davdah,
Whether Sen Obama wears a US flag Lapel Pin or not, whether he is associated wit Rev Wright or not, whether his middle name is Hussein or not, and whether he salutes the flag or not, all of these are non issues in a presidential race. They maybe a topic that a 527 group might go after.

Second, associating Sen Obama with known and convicted trators does not serve the public well. It provides a false perception of Sen Obama, the same way people associate Pres bush with the rulers of Saudi Arabia. It is stupid.

Nor do I like when people associate McCain for McSame. The same principle applies.

Now, I have not decided whom to vote for. I am an independent and have not registered with any party. Personally, I wish Sen Clinton would withdraw from the race so that the general election campaigns can start. This is not to help any particular political party, but to now get the details to the questons that many people are asking. I want to know what the true costs are for the health insurance plan that Sen Obama proposed as well as any proposal by Sen McCain. I also want questions to how to fix the economy beside the traditional political mudslinging of blaming that industry or another. Those are not solutions, but sound bites. How to create an effective foreign policy that can deal with terrorist sponsoring states? The answers to these questions can be answered in the general election where neither party candidate has to appease its core constituents. That is the challenge for both Sen Obama and McCain.

Guilt by associations, that is all his opponents have so far come up with. Why, because the have nothing else on him. I think that all of his non-supporters at this time are so used to being smeard by their polititions, that they really have a hard time believing that someone truthful would come along and hence have such a hard time believing in him.

I am generally a pessimistic person and check everything over and over before I make a committment, but I cannot find anything wrong with Sen. Obama.

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Originally posted by davdah:
1. unpatriotic 2.proven patriot

In your post earlier Koller about being proven beyond any doubt. Actually its a reasonable doubt. This primarily applies to criminal complaints. For others such as civil torts the evidence bar is much lower. There are plenty of convictions based on amassed circumstantial evidence in criminal law.

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Originally posted by iperson:
He's a closed minded wacko. There's no discussion with this guy. You cannot open one's mind, they have to do it themselves.
Davdah is probably a lonely, three times divorcee, old, shell shocked Nam vet, and a life failure.
But he'll hold onto the "ideals" he believes in. He's a racist, and a dimwit on top of that. The worst combination of all.
He'll die in chocking polluted air, but he will put profit over any morals and ethics.
He's a lonely old man and nobody wants to have anything to do with him.

Waste of space, air and my and your time.

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Originally posted by MakeItRight!:

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Originally posted by iperson:
He's a closed minded wacko. There's no discussion with this guy. You cannot open one's mind, they have to do it themselves.
Davdah is probably a lonely, three times divorcee, old, shell shocked Nam vet, and a life failure.
But he'll hold onto the "ideals" he believes in. He's a racist, and a dimwit on top of that. The worst combination of all.
He'll die in chocking polluted air, but he will put profit over any morals and ethics.
He's a lonely old man and nobody wants to have anything to do with him.

Waste of space, air and my and your time.

IPERSON,

FOR GOD SAKES!!!! Where Has your Mind Gone????

EXAMPLE : SHELL SHOCKED NAM VET" ????? They Had A Choice? They New Of The Deceit? Our Country Told Them everything??? Where They Brainwashed???? Where They To Believe It Was For Their Country????? I Am Not Racist, However Some Asian Cultures Can Be Extremely Manipulative and Dangerous! FANTASTIC LONG TERM ACTORS!

To Put Down Vietnam Vets, Because They Themselves Where Fooled. Not Only By The Supposed Enemy Of The Time. BUT THEIR OWN COUNTRY!!!! Give People a Break!!!!

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So Davdah, given the fact that it was the GOPs failed foreign policy, that caused the Vietnam war failure, why would you still defend the GOP? And, moreover, protesting the government, i.e., protests such a burning flags and stuff, I think that is patriotism too.