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Yes, go. Go away Obama. I'd rather have Hillary. At least she showed some respect for this country.

Obama and our flag




Go away Obama, you say: He is not going anywhere. He is here to stay! McSame will never be able to beat him in November. I can't wait to see a Harvard graduate who graduated in the top ten percent of his class take on a 71 year old. I can't wait until November. Hillary: I am entirely agains her, but she just doesn't have flair. She is not connecting with the people, and when she noticed she wasn't focused and made some mistakes and later that she has no chance to win, she became desperate and lost it completely. I mean up to the point, that she was selling votes for 0.18/Gallon. That's not presidential!



I guess we'll see. When it comes down to it people will vote their conscience. That conscience will tell them there is something untrustworthy about obama. Something as basic as the national anthem and no respect? But hey, what do I know. I only saluted my flag about ten thousand times thus far. You seem to respect your prior and current.



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Dems eye a possible changing of the guard


Clinton era may be coming to an end, presenting a challenge to Obama

Thurs., May. 8, 2008

After 16 years, the Clinton era may be coming to an end, presenting Democrats with a historic but potentially wrenching transition and a challenge to Senator Barack Obama as he seeks to reconcile a deeply divided party.

Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton have been at the heart of the Democratic Party since Mr. Clinton steered it back to the White House in 1992, with a campaign that combined a moderate appeal with the hard-edged political tactics that had once been the province of Republicans. Mrs. Clinton seemed poised last year to lead Democrats into the general election campaign if not beyond.

And while the relationship between the party establishment and the Clintons has always been uneasy at best, an entire generation of Democrats has known no other figures as dominant as the two of them.

Mrs. Clinton said Wednesday that she would remain in the race despite her double-digit loss in North Carolina and winning only narrowly in Indiana. But across the party, Democrats — including some of her own supporters — were confronting an increasing likelihood that their tangle of ties to and feelings about the Clintons would be swept aside for now as the party prepares for a new era with a leader, in Mr. Obama, who comes from a different generation and promises a very different style of politics.

'New generation of political leaders'
“There is going to be a new set of people running the show,” said Simon Rosenberg, the executive director of the New Democratic Network, a political action organization not affiliated with any candidates. “The Clintons and their allies have been running the show for 16 years. You’re going to see a new generation of political leaders coming to the fore. It’s going to create an upheaval.”

Gary Hart , a former Colorado senator who ran for president in 1984 and is supporting Mr. Obama, said: “At least half the Obama administration, if he is elected, will be people in the White House for the first time: cabinet members and senior appointees.”

Certainly, no one is expecting a couple with such political skills, an extended network, history and broad appeal — not to mention fund-raising power — to disappear from the Democratic stage. Mrs. Clinton would presumably return to what could be a potentially very high-profile role in the Senate. Mr. Clinton is only 61, and never has been the kind of politician happy on the sidelines.

But Mr. Obama’s move to the brink of the nomination was fraught with symbolism and evidence of a party in transition. A first-time presidential candidate, he has so far outmaneuvered the vaunted Clinton political machine. He positioned his candidacy as a repudiation of the kind of politics the Clintons practiced and a generational break. And he drew thousands of new voters and donors into his fold, giving the party a fresh face and new energy.

“The Clintons had an important role in the recent history of the Democratic Party and will always play some role, given their success at bringing this country peace and prosperity,” said Senator Edward M. Kennedy , the Massachusetts Democrat who backed Mr. Obama. “But elections are about the future, not the past. It’s a new era. This is a new spirit that’s out there.”

Uncharted territory
Still, this is uncharted territory for the party and the attempt to mesh the old with the new — ideas, leaders and voters — could prove wrenching. Many in the party, if weary with the Clintons, remain appreciative of the extent to which Mr. Clinton helped rescue the party after 12 years out of the White House. The Clintons are in many ways a security blanket for many in the party; they may not be easy to quit.

All of this poses a challenge to Mr. Obama as he seeks to move the Clinton wing of the party beyond with the Clinton era without offending Mrs. Clinton’s considerable base of supporters. Exit polls in Indiana and North Carolina once again suggested just how cleaved the party is between young and old, white and black, lower-income and upper income.

“It’s going to be hard,” said Bob Kerrey , a former senator from Nebraska, and a supporter of Mrs. Clinton. “Part of what I’ve seen in this campaign is how difficult it is to unite this party: To unite voters in West Virginia with Democratic voters in South Central Los Angeles. That is what he has to do and what is going to be hard.”

“He has to learn to set aside grievances; and there are going to be plenty of them,” Mr. Kerrey said. “Can we disagree without being disagreeable? The answer is, no. We get disagreeable. And this has been a disagreeable primary.”

Mr. Hart recalled that after a similarly divisive primary battle against Walter F. Mondale in 1984, he made a point of throwing all his effort into trying to get his supporters behind Mr. Mondale. In that case, Mr. Hart was more equivalent to Mr. Obama than Mrs. Clinton, having drawn new voters into the primary system.

“I went to the platform and moved his nomination by acclamation,” Mr. Hart recalled. “And then I went out and did over 40 campaign events for him on my own. And I was not able to move the younger and independent voters, as the results made clear.”

Potential for defection
One example of the political environment Mr. Obama faces could be found in the fact that nearly 50 percent of Clinton supporters in Indiana said they would vote for Senator John McCain , Republican of Arizona, or stay at home if Mr. Obama was the candidate, surveys of voters leaving the polls said on Tuesday.

History suggests that that response reflects the emotion attendant to such an intensely fought campaign, and Democrats said that they were confident the majority of these voters would return to the fold as the differences are drawn between Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain on issues like the Iraq war and the merits of the Bush administration.

“These people are not going to vote for John McCain — I don’t care what they say now,” Mr. Hart said.

Still, even a mild defection of Democrats could prove critical if the country undergoes another presidential election as close as the last two, and Mr. Obama’s advisers said they were well aware of that as they prepared for the months ahead.


God Bless America and everyone else!
 
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Yes, go. Go away Obama. I'd rather have Hillary. At least she showed some respect for this country.

Obama and our flag




Go away Obama, you say: He is not going anywhere. He is here to stay! McSame will never be able to beat him in November. I can't wait to see a Harvard graduate who graduated in the top ten percent of his class take on a 71 year old. I can't wait until November. Hillary: I am entirely agains her, but she just doesn't have flair. She is not connecting with the people, and when she noticed she wasn't focused and made some mistakes and later that she has no chance to win, she became desperate and lost it completely. I mean up to the point, that she was selling votes for 0.18/Gallon. That's not presidential!



I guess we'll see. When it comes down to it people will vote their conscience. That conscience will tell them there is something untrustworthy about obama. Something as basic as the national anthem and no respect? But hey, what do I know. I only saluted my flag about ten thousand times thus far. You seem to respect your prior and current.


Like I can't respect the German flag - is that what you mean? I am not American, I consider myself a Guest Worker. I respect America dearly, but I am not willing to give up Germany. I don't like that America is forcing you to denounce your country in order to embrace America - I personally think this is rather arrogant. It would be a different story, if I would be from a third-world, or other country, which's political system is contrary to that of the USA. America and Germany have very good relations I don't see why I should have to denounce (very ugly word) my country. I'll go for dual-citizenship when the law is going to be amended - when Sen. Obama is president!

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McCain on Immigration.

Booed in MI


(discaimer, Booing crowd is mostly democrats)


I just now discovered that post from you. How do you know that the booing croud is mostly democrats? I figure democrats would even go to a republican presentation like this. However, I like McCain's stand on that. I support that the border should be secured, because of what Mexico is, namely a still under developed country where many people find it more rewarding to come here and make a few bucks. If the border is not secured, the influx will never stop. However, another solution would be to annex Mexico into a union of some sort like Europe did with the eastward countries, which would put that country economically on the same level and keep its inhabitants where they belong at the same time, and it would strengthen America as far as the countries surrounding Mexico which are not at par with American policies. That's just my way of thinking.


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And that's a very good way of thinking. I agree wholeheartedly. It is in the interest of America to help Mexico and even merge with it. IT'll happen one way or another within the next 100 years- this century that is. America will be forced to do this to compete economically. Most jobs are being outsourced= nobody's willing to talk about it but outsourcing is currently the biggest threat American workers are facing.
I am on the side of globalization, and outsourcing ironically, being one of the market forces Repubs revere so much, helps globalization Repubs hate so much.


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That was the point Kollerkrot. You do respect the flag of your country and ours. Obama does not. That is what throws up the big question mark. As for denouncing, it has more to do with allegiance. And it certainly should not be an issue of being from a 3rd world country. The idea of allegiance goes back to the posting of the speech by T Roosevelt and the thoughts behind that.

The McCain speech. That was actually a joke. But, more than likely there were dems there. A common tactic employed by both sides.



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OMG you're such a dimwit racist pig Davdah, and a fearmonger. What you've said is basically fearmongering on the par with the 3 am ad by HRC.
Be afraid of that Black n e g r o, you don't know who he is, he might be dangerous because he doesn't wear a flag pin or forgot to put his hand over the heart during the anthem. OMG!
You're a low life Davdah.


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Iperson, I actually disagree with you here. He didn't allude to anything of the sort.

But if I may counter move regarding the chain mail that is going around the net regarding the alleged non-patriotism of Sen. Obama. Take a look at the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svo9mutE6TM


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Obama in the House: A Clinton super gets an autograph

I think you call this "wavering."

Politico's Amie Parnes e-mails from Obama's visit to the House floor, where he was mobbed instantly.

New York Rep. Yvette Clarke, in theory a Clinton superdelegate, asked him to autograph the cover of today's New York Daily News, with the headling "It's His Party."

Rep. Alcee Hastings, a Clinton supporter from Florida, gave him a big hug. Even Republicans were star-struck. Ileana Ros Lehtinen of Florida crossed the aisle to say hello and brought three children — in town for a school safety patrol trip — with her.

Obama, meanwhile, bowed to Majority Leader Steny Hoyer.

What can I say: I am star-struck too!


.....I may condemn what you say, but I will risk my life for that you may say it - Voltaire!
 
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OMG is right. You are the most narrow minded person I've ever known. Me a racist! That is beyond laughable. Since we're going to play from that deck how about this. To preface, this is to illustrate a point and not to make the accusation. At least not towards koller.

In the post made by Kollerkrot and that Iperson agreed with he made the comment about keeping the Mexicans where they belong. Where they belong? Does that mean they belong in an undeveloped country as he called it? That sounds racist to me. Or even the one prior to that where he made the comments about people of 3rd world countries. That its ok to have some level of arrogance directed at them if from there. Now, I would assume he didn't mean it to demean those people but the opportunity is there to make the case.

What I said had to do with patriotism at its core. No where did I make reference to Obama's race. The 3 am ad by the HRC? I don't stay up that late watching TV. But I guess you do. They run those ads at 3:00 am just to upset people like you. Underachieving Dems with no job or reason to get up in the morning.

Obama certainly did not forget to show respect. That was with arrogant defiance. And that is disturbing. What is it that he is in such defiance about? That lends itself to the question of what it is he would alter so greatly that he apparently has so much disgust for. Valid questions for anyone with an open mind willing to think for a moment about someone's actions. A presidential candidate who is vying for position of commander in chief should at minimum perform basic civic duties. To blatantly defy that premise begs the question again. Who's side is he on? The campaign slogan of 'Change' and 'yes we can'. Change what? And yes we can to what? No answers to date. I don't think I want to know either.



Vote Republican and this country will still be worth sneaking into.
 
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That conscience will tell them there is something untrustworthy about obama.


Something untrustworthy? What could it be Davdah?
If he was a white guy and he wouldn't wear the flagpin, and would not denounce Hagee, would you say the same thing: SOMETHING UNTRUSTWORTHY?

Isn't that FEARMONGERING?
Yes it is. It is exactly fearmongering. You don't really believe not wearing a flagpin is a big deal, or that he didn't put his hand over his heart in that one second the photo was taken. If you were not a racist, you would assume he just forgot, and he does put his hand over his heart on all the other occasions.

Kollerkrot, I am not going to argue with a racist. There is no doubt in my mind knowing Davdah throughout this time that he IS a racist. I've proven to 4now and Jasmin that they were racists, and so is Davdah.
I can see right through this guy.
There is no other reason for anybody in this country not to vote for Barack unless they are racists. No reason.
Mc Cain is the bad guy. I will say more: he is the evil one.
The choice between McCain and Obama is like a choice between evil and good. It's as plain as that.


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There is no way in H E L L that racists in this country will prevail and no way in H E L L McSame is ever going to win this election.

My prediction as far as numbers are concerned:
Obama 68%-72% of the vote in GE over McCain's -+%30. I predict ALL states turn BLUE this November. All of them.


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If anyone here thinks that racism is non-existent in this country or that it only belongs in KKK circles, you are wrong.
Racism is present in every single human being on this earth. Some don't even know they are racists! Davdah may not realize he is a racist, but he is.
What I despise about people like Davdah is that they know they are racists, consciously, and they act on it like he just did by starting the all worn out argument over flag pins and the anthem stuff. It's old news and it's been talked about months ago.
Since then Obama showed he loves this country on so many occasions.
And YET this guy and people like him put this argument over and over and over AGAIN.
If this is not a conscious tactic of fearmongering, trying to instill that notion into readers of this forum, and other internet sites, it is an evil because conscious action to play on white people's fears that are inherent in every single one on this earth, me included.

I despise you Davdah, I despise people like you. YOu are the slime of this earth. You are a lowlife Davdah and I want nothing to do with you and people like you.


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So typical. Play the race card hoping that will get a person to back down. Sorry girl. It won't work with me. That was not a one second photo. It was throughout the entire song. There is something to be said for tradition and reasons for having them. For what ever reason he is doing what he is doing. No real explanation, just defiance. It wouldn't matter to me if he were any color. Its the act I'm concerned about.

McCain has already proven his loyalty to this country. No doubts there at all. I don't agree with all of his policies but at least I know what he stands for. He may not be as well polished as Obama but he leans more towards being honest. Obama's true character is still hidden from public view. The fact he is hiding it makes apparent its something he doesn't want the American public to know.

If anyone is a racist its you. Your hysterical badgering of anyone that disagrees one iota with your narrow perception of the world bares out that fact plain as day. When McCain wins are you staying? Or are you going to leave as you promised?



Vote Republican and this country will still be worth sneaking into.
 
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If anyone is a racist its you. Your hysterical badgering of anyone that disagrees one iota with your narrow perception of the world bares out that fact plain as day. When McCain wins are you staying? Or are you going to leave as you promised?


FINALLY THE VERDICT IS OUT. iPerson and alike i.e. Sprint Girl, Speed, Jsalas etc are the TRUE RACISTS, CRIMINALS, LAW BREAKING immigrants.


I am not racist. I am not anti-immigrant. I am AGAINST CRIMINALS, FRAUDSTERS, WHO DISOBEY THE LAW, BREAK THE LAW AND PERPETRATE THE FRAUD.

You may not like what I have to say but that does not mean I am wrong.
 
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You're a B U L L S H I T writer Davdah.

Obama is the most honest politician out there. McCain is a LIAR, sleazy flip flopper, the most dishonest of all politicians I've ever seen.
Everybody knows this. Everybody. Except for such racists like you Davdah.
He's got no chance, and there's no place for racists like you in this country.


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I would rather be a BS writer than a neo-nazi such as yourself Ip. Your attitudes are right out of the third reich. When you read mein comph did you remember to keep in mind this sort of thinking is wrong?



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I kind of find it comical that his opponents (pun inte