Um, I see. Seems like you have had an ulterior motif to vote for Obama then.

It doesn't count as far as I am concerned.

I vote to reject all independents' and republican's votes for Obama.

No ulterior motives at all. I believe employers should be forced to take better care of their employees and their families - nothing wrong with that.

Fortunately, we have a multi-party political system in this great country that allows for registered voters to support their candidates of choice without limitations being placed. That's the American way!!!!!

So what's the difference between forcing employers and forcing people to get medical coverage, if you are against enforcing anything. Is enforcing anything the American way? Not the republican way for sure.
You ARE still a republican, no matter how much you will hide your true red colors, they are still red.

I won't discuss the flaw in your take on health insurance, but I'd like to discuss why then did you vote for Obama if you disagree with him on issues?
Aren't issues supposed to be at the core of your decision? Not assumed/presumed/imagined biases and unreasonable prejudices, as is in your case?

There is a multiparty system (basically two major party system), and I believe every party should be able to decide who to nominate for president, and not let the opposite party's supporters to have a say.
I believe that the idea of the country unity is a utopian idea.
If someone wants a united country, they are welcome to change their registration to democratic party or close the republican party alltogether. Then the country will be united.
But no one believes republicans want to unite the country.

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Originally posted by iperson:
So what's the difference between forcing employers and forcing people to get medical coverage, if you are against enforcing anything. Is enforcing anything the American way? Not the republican way for sure.
You ARE still a republican, no matter how much you will hide your true red colors, they are still red.


I won't discuss the flaw in your take on health insurance, but I'd like to discuss why then did you vote for Obama if you disagree with him on issues?
Aren't issues supposed to be at the core of your decision? Not assumed/presumed/imagined biases and unreasonable prejudices, as is in your case?

End of debate, Iperson. You are here to attack people and I am not. I haven't criticized your support for Hillary, have I? We all are free thinkers here. Let it go. We can talk again after the elections.

I am not attacking you. Sorry if you feel this way. I am trying to understand republican motivation to bar Hillary Clinton from presidency at all costs. I simply don't understand it. Especially how can a woman be so hateful towards another woman, as if there was no long history of fight for women's rights in this country. It just boggles my mind.
Your attitide is simply unhealthy, unreasonable, and I think I've pointed it out pretty well. You have no substantiated reason for this kind of an attitude.
And that's what I don't understand. It's not good for American people to behave this way, not to vote according to issues but personal reasons, as if this is just another American Idol contest.
We are not choosing who is more popular and cool, we are choosing a commander in chief.

Grow up PUSC.

iperson just let it go please.

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Grow up PUSC.

Sorry, but I am not the one who needs to grow up. I didn't start this exchange, Iperson. Let it go until after the elections. Your efforts to discredit me are getting very tiresome.

Caribean, I am not attacking her. I genuinely want to understand because she's not the only one with this kind of an attitude.
I don't hate McCain as much as she hates Hillary. I actually think he and his wife Cindy did a wonderful thing adopting a Bengali daughter and raising her in a very unfriendly republican society. Secretly MCCain is a very torn man between republican and democratic values. McCain is a closeted democrat and I think he knows it.

But could PUSC say anything positive about Hillary Clinton? Let's find out, shall we?
Why don't you want to discuss this with me PUSC? Are you afraid I am going to find things about you that you don't want to face yourself?

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But could PUSC say anything positive about Hillary Clinton?

She raised a great kid. That's my positive contribution to the Hillary campaign.

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But could PUSC say anything positive about Hillary Clinton?

She raised a great kid. That's my positive contribution to the Hillary campaign.

Well, I think we've made some progress.
If you want to see Chelsea campaigning for her mom, I have some videos on my blog. She is pretty amazing with the knowledge she has, and how she carries herself in general. She is not a spoilt little brat like a lot of rich kids.
If Hillary doesn't win the elections, I hope Chelsea will pick it up some years later in the future. I'd be awesome.

It's not to do with Presidential candidates but it was just shown on the news this video on youtube showing a speech made from a Republican in OKC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPB7bTdz2xQ

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/08/politics/main3919543.shtml

Obama Wins Wyoming Caucuses

Latest Caucus Victory Is His Thirteenth In Battle For The Democratic Presidential Nomination

CASPER, Wyo., March 8, 2008

(CBS/AP) Sen. Barack Obama has won the Wyoming Democratic caucuses.

Just after polls closed Saturday, Obama led Sen. Hillary Clinton, his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, 59 percent to 40 percent. The Illinois senator had 4,459 votes to Clinton’s 3,081, with 22 of 23 precincts reporting. (Click here for full Wyoming results.)

CBS News estimates that Obama captured seven delegates in the state. Clinton captured five.

The Wyoming contest was the latest in the candidates' close, hard-fought battle for the party's presidential nomination.

Obama generally has outperformed Clinton in caucuses, which reward organization and voter passion more than do primaries. The Illinois senator had already won 12 caucuses to Clinton's three.

"This is one more caucus victory for Obama, whose campaign has amassed a delegate lead based partly on a strategy of focusing on events like this," said CBSNews.com Senior Political Editor Vaughn Ververs. "This win, coupled with a likely victory in the Mississippi primary on Tuesday, could wipe out Clinton's gains from last week. But her campaign will go on, focused on Pennsylvania's April 22nd contest."

Clinton threw some effort into Wyoming, perhaps hoping for an upset that would yield few delegates but considerable buzz and momentum. The New York senator campaigned Friday in Cheyenne and Casper. Former President Clinton and their daughter, Chelsea, also campaigned this week in the sprawling and lightly populated state.

Obama campaigned in Casper and Laramie on Friday, but spent part of his time dealing with the fallout from an aide's harsh words about Clinton and suggestions that Obama wouldn't move as quickly to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq if elected. In Casper, Obama said Clinton had no standing to challenge his position on the war because she had voted to authorize it in 2002.

Clinton, buoyed by big wins in Ohio and Texas last Tuesday, said she faced an uphill fight in Wyoming. Her campaign also holds out little hope for Tuesday's primary in Mississippi, which has a large black population.

Obama's campaign credited the candidate's message for the win.

"Especially in the intermountain West, people are hungry for something different, people are hungry for someone who's a uniter, who can bring together a coalition of change," said Gabe Cohen, Obama's state director in Wyoming.

Clinton's campaign took heart in their ability to pick up more delegates.

"We knew that Wyoming was an uphill climb and that Senator Obama was expected to win," said Ben Kobren, a spokesman for Clinton's campaign in Wyoming. "We're glad we were able to bring out our grassroots support and come very close in delegates."

Both candidates were looking ahead to the bigger prize - delegate-rich Pennsylvania.

In Wyoming, 12 national convention delegates were at stake. From the first caucuses of the day, it became clear the state's Democrats were showing up in large numbers. In 2004, a mere 675 people statewide took part in the caucuses.

In Swee****er County, more than 500 people crowded into a high school auditorium and another 500 were lined up to get inside.

"I'm worried about where we're going to put them all. But I guess everybody's got the same problem," said Joyce Corcoran, a local party official. "So far we're OK. But man, they keep coming."

Party officials were struggling with how to handle the overflow crowds. The start of the Converse County caucus was delayed due to long lines.

In Cheyenne, scores of late arrivers were turned away when party officials stopped allowing people to get in line at 11 a.m. EST. A party worker stood at the end of the line with a sign reading, "End of the line. Caucus rules require the voter registration process to be closed at this time."

State party spokesman Bill Luckett said they were obligated to follow its rules as well as those of the Democratic National Committee regarding caucus procedures.

"Everybody knew the registration began over an hour before the caucus was called to order. We've done everything we could to accommodate people in the long lines," Luckett said.

After initially accepting provisional ballots from about 20 people who remained behind at the caucus site, party officials said they and both campaigns had decided not to count those votes. John Millin, state party chair, said doing so would have been unfair to those who had left after being turned away.

In Casper, home of the state party's headquarters, hundreds were lined up at the site of the Natrona County caucus. The location was a hotel meeting room with a capacity of 500. Some 7,700 registered Democrats live in the county.

"We'll have to put 'em in the grass after a while," said Bob Warburton, a local party official.

About 59,000 registered Democrats are eligible to participate in Wyoming's caucuses.

Only in the last few weeks have the campaigns stepped up their presence in Wyoming, opening offices and calling voters and sending mailers.

CBS News estimates that Obama now leads Clinton 1570 delegates to 1460. But Clinton has the edge with superdelegates - the party officials and elected leaders - 245-201. A total of 2,025 delegates is needed to win the nomination. (Click here for latest tally.)

Although a win in Wyoming may not persuade many superdelegates, it marks one more prize for Obama as he makes his case for the nomination.

Clinton has hinted recently that if she wins the nomination she would consider sharing the ticket with Obama. But in an interview Friday in Wyoming with KTVQ-TV, a CBS affiliate based in Billings, Mont., Obama shied away from that possibility.

"Well, you know, I think it's premature. You won't see me as a vice presidential candidate - you know, I'm running for president," Obama told the television station. "We have won twice as many states as Senator Clinton, and have a higher popular vote, and I think we can maintain our delegate count."

W@e now have only 3 candidates and they all are sensible on the immigration issue. Each one of them will support CIR which will do all that is practical to make our borders as secure as practically feasable(will never make borders completely secure because not practical nor would it be morally sound). Also each one of the candidates believe we need some path to legalization for the undocumented immigrant that has been working and is not a felon.We will just have to be patient and wait for CIR because it will come.

I understand as we write on this thread there is a bi-partison supported bill being discussed in congress that during the wait for CIR immigration would issue a 5 year work visa for non-felon undocumented so they can survive prior to CIR. Does anyone know what number is on this bill or anything else about it?

last saturday new poll came out that 20% white democrate will vote for john maccain if obama is nominated. I will also one of them.

Jasmin, can you explain what you have against Obama??

Chuck, there is no CIR like bill in Congress as far as I know.

Yes, there's a fresh bill being recently mulled in Congress (introduced by a Democrat), but one that can't be categorized as a CIR. Actually, this is an "enforcement only" election-year wedge legislation that if nothing else serves just for partisan grandstanding, or to discredit one faction or the other as propelled by back-door party operatives for divisive political ends.

"The SAVE Act (H.R. 4088)

The "Secure America Through Verification and Enforcement Act of 2007" (H.R. 4088), recently introduced in the House by Congressman Heath Shuler (D-NC) represents a misguided approach to fixing our broken immigration system. Far from providing any kind of solution, Congressman Shuler's bill will do little more than alienate employers, employees, immigrants and citizens alike in the short-term, and make the problem worse in the long-run. ..."

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i dont understand why obama's supporters are kept saying in the media about hillary to be done and that she should drop out. r they out of their mind? last time i checked obama didn't have required number of pleadged delegades either. obama has just 103 delegades more than hillary & he cannot get the required delegades even if he wins all the remaining primary. as per the latest poll hillary has more chance winning against john maccain than obama.

donna brazil, democratic stragetic & cnn contributor & a superdelegade & a big time obama suppoter said right after super tuesday on 5th february that she will leave the democratice despite of being a lifelong democrate if democratic party would decide the nomination based upon superdelegades. she said voters should decide whom they want to be their nominee than insiders. but she knew that hillary would have easily won the nomination at that time because 80% superdelegades were supporting hillary. but isn't it democratic nomination would eventually be decided by superdelegades since neither hillary nor obama would be able to clinch required delegades even if either of them would win all the remaining primary?? where would be the voter's wish if insiders will decide eventually? she played this game knowing obama did not enough superdelegates at that time.

last saturday new poll came out that 20% white democrate will vote for john maccain if obama is nominated. I will also one of them.

Jasmin,
You are bringing up an interesting quandary for the Democratic party. As you pointed out, neither candidate will have the required number of delegates to win the nomination. However, Obama will have won more popular votes than Mrs. Clinton as well as pledged delegates. It will come down to the super delegates who will ultimately decide the outcome. Now here is the rum for the Democratic Party. If Obama has a majority of the popular votes and pledged delegates, but does not win the nomination because of the super delegates, what will happen to the voters? Will they now become disenfranchised because their candidate got ripped in a smoke filled back room deal only reserved to the super rich and powerful? Will the African American voters become so disenfranchised that they will boycott the November elections? And will this fiasco now give ammunition to the Republican Party that will state the following: "Mrs. Clinton says she wants every vote to count,, but if things do not go her way, she will make deals in the back room where only those special interest groups will control your future." A very powerful argument for the independent voters who, more than likely, voted in the Eemocratic primaries.

That is why Obama argument is so strong. if the majority of the people have spoken and chose me, then I should get the nomination. However, Mrs, Clinton has an equal powerful argument: that she won Ohio, Texas, California, and presumably, Pennsylvania. Without those states, A Democrat will have no chance of winning the White House. Yet both arguments do have drawbacks. If Obama wins, some voters in the Democratic primary will not vote Democrat, maybe Green or Republican or not at all. If Hillary wins the nomination, how will the African American voters feel, not to mention the independents and some Republicans who have voted for him. Will they vote for Hillary or McCain or not at all.

Difficult questions which on one knows the answer. And the answer will not be known until November. A difficult quandary indeed for the Democratic Party. Two equal candidates, but no satisfactions within the party.