Davdah,

I totally understand your questioning and your thinking on this matter because of your situation and of course there have been many immigrants doing that.
However, I don't want to give all my personal details on here, the ins and out, but if I did you and everyone else would understand a lot better and you will see that I am no immigrant who came over and tried to take my husbands money etc.
I did post before that our assets are ours, not his. My money from England was put into those assets. Asked me to get loans etc so MY money could be used to purchase or help start the business etc..
Once living here permantly, it was more of a...you can't have your name on this or that because you need to be a citizen and a load of other BS answers, to which I believed him.

If he walked away from the business would it still run..yes it would and a lot better too.
As I am not there, no it isn't run as well.
He is good at telling people what to do, (treating employees like slaves) and taking credit for all the hard work.

Why should I not be paid for working? He stopped me obtaining a gainful job elsewhere, he wanted me to work at our business.
I would go out there now and get a job if I could, but living in a rural area, no car, no transportation, no money, no lots lots of things, I need something to get me to obtain those things, so I can go out there and support myself.

I don't think you or anyone would want to work at your family business for nothing for years. How would you feel, if you had to ask your wife, could I have some money please so I could go and get a coffee, or lunch...and they say, ok here is $1. You come back and they say..how much was it and give me the change.

I worked hard, maintained the house, and large land. And I don't even have any money all these years? If I needed something, I had to ask him, and I might get it, if he felt like it.
This is not a marriage! I would never treat anyone like that. He took all my money to get where he is today, and I have nothing.

My son's father passed away, to your question.

To all the people who have been hurt by immigrants, please don't think all of us are the same. If I was an American you would go crazy if I was treated the way my husband treated me, but as I am an immigrant, it doesn't matter how I have been treated, and automatically I am a scam artist etc..

You also go to realise..to come here, I had to give up everything I had back home, and leave my family, leave all my friends, and it was the hardest thing I had to ever do. Its not easy to immigrate. I had to make the decision, my life as I knew it, safe and happy, or go to the USA with my husband so we could be together permantly and have a happy life, but in a place that was alien to me, and knew nobody.

I chose my husband of course. I would have gone anywhere in the world with him, because my vows were important and I loved him.
I was the only one who sacrificed everything, he didn't, and instead got so much more by marrying me and us living here.

So please...stop saying me or other genuine people are scammers. If I can't have what is rightly mine, then I have no other choice then go down the affidavit route, so I can get out there and support myself, and not have to worry where I am going to get food.

Don't bother tryng to make sense with this person. To her, everything is "free" and spreading her legs to get a green card is "working" (well in her case it is !). Everyone knows that business owners do not get "paid" or collect a salary, that is wy they are business owners and not employees. But don't waste a single breath explaining that to her. She keeps blaming her ex for all her problems and belive me she always will for the rest of her miserable life. She keeps claiming that she wants to work and stand on her own, yet wants to know how to hold on to her ex and keep him supporting her rather than looking on the job boards. So you see its not about how she can become independent and lead a fulfilling life but who she can leach off of. Her ex husband died, he probably committed suicide rather than living with her.

SOM,

Why do you come on this forum because you have no clue what you are talking about.
You talk thru your ***, and you are not helpful to anyone.
You are the miserable saddo who can't get over their problems. You think you know everything, but you don't know anything. Go and educate yourself a bit better.
Yes you do get paid when you have a business, whether as an employee or through profits. If you have a corporation, you can pay yourselves as an employee as well as a shareholder, you dim wit.
I was not only an owner (not in name on business but wsa on business cards etc) I was managering the store as an employee too. Even though I was only paid for a few months over the years, I was promised that I was going to get paid as an employee (like my husband) but I wasn't. He got paid, I wasn't.
Our other income thru the business was through profits of course, but I didn't have any control over it.
It was his business in name only, but OUR business as a rule.
So go and educate yourself and stop pretending you know everything.

Out of all the people who have posted on these forums, it seems that you are the one who was a scam artist, and you had to go and find someone naive who would take you, because obviously enough no one else would in real life going by the miserable junk you write.

Maybe your ex left you cause not only are you a ****, but going by the way you treat people here especially women....you probably were an abuser too.

Oh by they way...what you are forgetting if you have a braincell, if I was after a Green card or after anything he had, I could have done it years ago. Why would I wait after 6 yrs to do this, and why wait after I had a green card.
I would have been better off if I didn't have a Green card because you have help and you can self petition on certain grounds to get one.
I wouldn't have put myself through hell all this time to just wait until now to do it, if I was a scammer I could have done it years ago.
I wish I didn't have to divorce as I still love him which is extremely hard to disconnect yourself from, and my vows mean a lot to me.
But there is too many things that have happened, that anyone in my position could not put up with and have no other way then to get away from all of this. And I am not talking about as an immigrant, I am talking about as a human being.
So get a life SOM..you obviously don't even know the meaning of love or marriage, or even still know even how to treat people respectfully.

GOOD ADVICE SonofMichael ! Wish you were around a few years back when we needed to hear this suggestion! Oh well.

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Originally posted by SonofMichael:
Finally, consider drafting a separate agreement where the sponsored alien renounces any claim against the sponsor for maintenance under the affidavit of support and agrees to indemnify the sponsor should the alien access any means-tested public benefits. This would resemble a pre-nuptial agreement, and would need to identify the consideration that both parties are receiving. Such separate agreements have not been enforced or challenged yet, and the main question is whether they will be found to violate public policy. "

Thank you Got_Faith

Its up to us to protect ourselves from cheats and scammers and to help our fellow citizens since Congress and the Courts will not.

Yep I am an Abuser and proud of it !!!

You are pathetic, I am not even bothering to answer to you anymore on here after this.

Go away and amuse yourself with other abusers, you will have more fun

Darn, if only SON OF STUPID had blown up when his ex-wife and her hot lover attempted to blow him up. Oh well, at least she is rid of him and having HOT S** now.

To SprintGirl
I apologize about what I said about your son. Had I known I would not have said that. If your husband was as bad you say he is with the controlling why did you stick around so long? As far as how he ran the business. In most cases it is necessary to be strict with the employees. If the boss is disliked then he or she is probably doing a good job. They are looking out for the interests of the company more so than the employees who would plunder it if given the chance. In all honesty if he was as bad as you say you would have left long before, I'm sure there is some exaggeration here. There always is from one former spouse to another. He probably tells his friends you have horns growing out of your head. This might be the time to rethink things and just head home. Is it worth fighting over. The thing of it is since the business is the primary source of income it can manipulated in any number of financial directions. To show it makes less than zero to who knows what. There isn't much you can really do about that. If the majority of your life was across the pond, your friends, relatives, etc. are all there, why stay?

To SonofMichael
I don't know if a contract like that would fly. Normally if you sign one contract and agree to terms in another that counter the terms of the first, it could be construed as fraud. At a minimum the immigrant would use duress as a defense against the second. It basically amounts to having a person waive their right to support provided by a third party (the gov). Since the third party didn't agree to it, it would be void. In most states anything that has to do with support can not be waived. Even a prenuptial will not leave a person penniless in the street. Bottom line, don't marry someone who has no ability to support themselves without you. There does need to be some equitable solution to these kinds of problems. The purpose of why the Gov. has this is there were too many immigrant women brought over that became a public charge. In situations where we import wives and the occasional husband it should have special conditions beyond what they have now. The idea of 125% above poverty is too low a bar. It should be set to the median for the state for the sponsor. There should be an English proficiency requirement for the immigrant. With those two things alone it would eliminate most of the headaches and heartaches.


To CKT510
Your treading on thin ice making those kinds of comments. That could be interpreted as communicating a threat. be careful what you say.

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Originally posted by SonofMichael:
Thank you Got_Faith

Its up to us to protect ourselves from cheats and scammers and to help our fellow citizens since Congress and the Courts will not.

SoM (and others, of course)... What advice would you give a USC when they ARE cheated or scammed ? Especially knowing that this I-864 signed, sealed, delivered ??

Thanks !

I believe those cases are wrongly decided. It is a contract between the US Government and the US Sponsor to reimburse any benefits that the scammer gets. It is a contract of cohesion and fraud. No where does it say that the scammer should get 125% of the minimum poverty level; that is the level required of the sponsor. So if a sponsor only makes 125%, how could he possibly pay that? The policy was to avoid the scammer from becoming a burden on the government. If she is able bodied and capable of getting a job, she is not entitled and should not get any government benefits and therefore there should be no obligation by the sponsor.

Faith my darling; If you have sufficient proof, you can sue for fraud. You see how quick they are to sue to get what does not belong to them. What they fail to realize is that we can sue as well. And in many cases, it is much easier to prove fraud than any obligation to support them. An annulment based on fraud should be filed. If the divorce is already final, you need to sue as a separate cause of action.

I divorced her and obtained judgments of $12,000 in a separate COA and she lost her conditional green card. In retrospect, I wish I had gone the annulment route, but whatever. The worst is handling the emotional part. I recommend counseling and rebuilding your life and treat that as a great way to learn to always respect yourself.

In the years since I was scammed, I received numerous certificates, almost done with a law degree, increased my salary significantly, purchased a nice house on the beach, and have traveled all over the world.

What does not kill you makes you stronger.

quote:

Originally posted by SonofMichael:
I believe those cases are wrongly decided. It is a contract between the US Government and the US Sponsor to reimburse any benefits that the scammer gets. It is a contract of cohesion and fraud. No where does it say that the scammer should get 125% of the minimum poverty level; that is the level required of the sponsor. So if a sponsor only makes 125%, how could he possibly pay that? The policy was to avoid the scammer from becoming a burden on the government. If she is able bodied and capable of getting a job, she is not entitled and should not get any government benefits and therefore there should be no obligation by the sponsor.

Faith my darling; If you have sufficient proof, you can sue for fraud. You see how quick they are to sue to get what does not belong to them. What they fail to realize is that we can sue as well. And in many cases, it is much easier to prove fraud than any obligation to support them. An annulment based on fraud should be filed. If the divorce is already final, you need to sue as a separate cause of action.

I divorced her and obtained judgments of $12,000 in a separate COA and she lost her conditional green card. In retrospect, I wish I had gone the annulment route, but whatever. The worst is handling the emotional part. I recommend counseling and rebuilding your life and treat that as a great way to learn to always respect yourself.

In the years since I was scammed, I received numerous certificates, almost done with a law degree, increased my salary significantly, purchased a nice house on the beach, and have traveled all over the world.

What does not kill you makes you stronger.

SoM...Once again, I thank you! I'm just SO concerned that this SCAMMER is going to get more from me ~ if it's a nickle...that's TOO much too!

I know that this person has done their homework and checked all the ways possible to be able to stay here in the USA ...REmarried & now a minister from www.I'mNowAMinister.com ??

What's more...this I-751 (hope that's the #), which was to be completed within two years of creation of LPR, and remove conditions...has never been completed. ?? Least not by me.

We called the 800 # & were told that this 'info is current'.

I wonder if there's a way an alien can (in ANY way) get a new A# or Receipt # ?? IF there is a chance ~ they will have looked for it, and undoubtedly accomplished it!

Sadly for me, SoM, this case I'm referring to is quite complex ~ I'd really rather not post EVERY detail, since I've sent letters to Homeland Security & am waiting to hear. HOPE the NEWS IS GOOD ? Hope it doesn't take forever.

I don't think the courts would award an immigrant 125% if thats all the guy made. That would be insane. It almost seemed that way from the stump case. I admit I didn't read every gory detail. It made me too angry half way through. What I meant was to make it more difficult to get here in the first place by imposing some kind of requirments on the immigrant not just the sponsor for financial support. Probably the best solution would be to make it so if a person divorces within 10 years all they get is deported.

You will never hear from USCIS. Once I obtained judgments, I was able to subpoena the A# from her job. They tend to remove conditions on the I-751 pretty easily unless there is a good finding of fraud. Ths is why some juducial finding of fraud is important. Even if they can not remove the conditions, it is possible that there was no finding of fraud and they could remarry their way to yet another green card; but at least they didn't get it from you. A finding of fraud, at least in theory, is a permanent bar to get a green card but I do not know anyone who got this. There is also a $250,000 fine and 5 year prison term allegedly. You will never hear what happened to the dirtbag and even if they do deport him in 5 or 10 years, or whatever, you will have hopefully moved on.

My scammer is still trying after 6 years. Sick and pathetic.

It's amazing that a "SCAMMER" can remarry again!

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You will never hear from USCIS. Once I obtained judgments, I was able to subpoena the A# from her job. They tend to remove conditions on the I-751 pretty easily unless there is a good finding of fraud. Ths is why some juducial finding of fraud is important. Even if they can not remove the conditions, it is possible that there was no finding of fraud and they could remarry their way to yet another green card; but at least they didn't get it from you. A finding of fraud, at least in theory, is a permanent bar to get a green card but I do not know anyone who got this. There is also a $250,000 fine and 5 year prison term allegedly. You will never hear what happened to the dirtbag and even if they do deport him in 5 or 10 years, or whatever, you will have hopefully moved on.

My scammer is still trying after 6 years. Sick and pathetic

The only one sick and pathetic is you m o t h e r f u c k e r b i t c h

Babybeh,

C'mon cut him some slack. I'm assuming your a women. Why is it if a man gets over on his X he gets called all kinds of names. But most of this thread has been devoted to giving women advice on how to stick it to their husbands. Your not calling them names, why? I don't agree with all of SonOfMikes postings. I beleive a lot of what he writes is too over the top. I think that may be the reason he does it. To get people into the fray and participate in the discussion. It would be boring without some of his comments, don't you think?

I would like your opinion as well as the rest of the females on a particular issue. Lets say your married to a guy who was advised as this women here was and got what she wanted. Wouldn't that take away from you? If your married to a guy that has to pay out huge alimony payments wouldn't it make you cringe. The last witch is taking what should be for your family? What do you think? The answer that you wouldn't be involved with a guy like that is not an acceptable answer either. Don't go there. Give this some honest thought, I would like your opinions.