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Originally posted by iperson:
They have the same contempt for foreigners as Someone12 and CuriousBob.
I did everything legally and yet they have this racist hatred towards me. So it's plain to me, it's not just the anti illegal alien thing.
It's pure racism.

Legally? Lying to the officers is legally? You still haven't answered the questions that were asked of you. You only answer the ones that are convenient. Why did you want to come here and study if you had a college degree in Poland and such a promising future? What promising future in Poland? You'd be making $300 a month!
You know you came here to get married so you could stay.

whenever liars and visa cheats (and often they become future illegal aliens) are asked to provide a rational explanation for their BS, they whip out the race card.....but I am curious, Iperson....what race are liars? What race are visa cheats?
When you arrived on your tourist visa, did you tell the border inspector that you were (a) arriving to study full time and (b) marry your American fiance? The answer is a flat 'NO' because otherwise your eastern european lying butt would have been back on the plane to Warsaw......that's why we know you lied.
And all this other rhetoric cannot hide that simple fact....the visa officer was correct in his analysis....so, if you really hate America so much, please, by all means, go home.

You know, you two, someone and bob, are both zeros in my eyes. Not worth my time.
For your information my dad was a chess champion and we travelled all over the world with him. I've been to almost every continent on earth. And my sister has a school of english in Poland and hires the British and American teachers to teach phonetics and coversation. And she makes more money than you ever will see in your red neck lives flipping burgers at Mc Donald's.
Don't even bother to post to me because I'll ignore your posts.

your father and sister aren't liars and visa cheats....but again, you dodged the issue by interjecting more unrelated nonsense....who gives a bowl of cabbage soup about your father or sister? They are not part of this discussion ..this is about your lack of character, not their chess playing abilities.

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Originally posted by iperson:

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However, you did put a red flag to the foreign service officer when petitioning for the student visa. YOu specifically stated that your boyfriend who lives in the USA will help pay for college. Student visas specifically state that you and/or your family must demostrate the ability to pay for the first year tuition. By stating that your boyfriend would help you caused enough doubt to deny the visa.

I wish the officer reviewed my case more thoroughly and actually asked for more information, Hudson. The officer didn't even ask for any bank statements. My late father had enough funds to cover at least the first year of college.
The consul without a moment of hesitation denied the visa.
He has a line of about 400 people waiting each day applying for all sorts of visas. He doesn't care and neither do they review cases thoroughly. They have the same contempt for foreigners as Someone12 and CuriousBob.
I did everything legally and yet they have this racist hatred towards me. So it's plain to me, it's not just the anti illegal alien thing.
It's pure racism.

I will disagree strongly that foreign service officers in general, and in particular, the one who interviewed you, are racist or contemptuous. The foreign service officers do not have time to go into great scrutinity to look at your case more thoroughly. They have, at best 10-15 minutes to review the information and ask you some basic questions. They will make a judgement call on whether to give you the visa or deny the visa. Again, I also disagreed with the foreign service officer offering the K1 instead of advising you that you did not meet the qualifications. And given that there were 400 other people waiting in line to get approved for a nonimmigrant visa shows how little resources is available at the US Embassy or consulate. Now before you go on another rampage, this limitation is, for the most part, similar with every other embassy, foreign or US. Again, by mentioning boyfriend and boyfriend will help pay for college gave enough doubt that you were not able to meet the requirements for the visa. You may disagree with that decision, and I know you have, and that is your perogative, but the foreign service officer is only doing their job with the limited resources and time they have.

One of the main problems I have with the foreign service officers handling the visas is the lack of uniformity. Every Embassy is different and different foreign service officers interpret the intent differently. In some cases, the locals know who to avoid and who to see at the US Embassy or consulate to obtian the visas. Until that is rectified, there will be disparities in the system, but it is common amoung most of the other countries embassies or consulates too, BTW.

Just FYI guys: Do you know that some of our troops are now in Somalia helping the Somalian warlords fight against alleged Islamists in Ethiopa? The reason is another usual excuse: To catch terrorists. If we don't keep our hands off in the area, it would become another Afghanistan. And it would trigger violence in Africa. Enough is enough. This must not be the only way to justify our presence in the world to project the country as the world's superpower. At the expense of many innocent civilian lives? President Bush, you better pack up and return to Texas!

Hudson,
Given the information about the system that I have today, I would have handled the situation differently and wouldn't have mentioned my boyfriend.
But at that point, I knew that the most important thing to do at any immigration interview (and I've went through one before and was granted tourist visa), is to be painfully honest.
Somehow, I was confident that having been admitted to a US college and having the documents to prove it, was enough for me to obtain the visa.
It didnt cross my mind that the consul would make such a quick and unjust decision having a huge impact on someone's life. I've went through the whole application process, paying a lot of fees to the university and already paid half of the tuition due for the first sememster.
So I thought the consul would be aware of it and would have no choice but be fair and give me the visa.
How naive of me.
In a way the consulates and BCIS in general ask for dishonesty.

as usual, the visa cheat tries to blame the US system and those who carry out its policies, instead of looking in a mirror and see the liar and cheat.
Our system is supposed to be for HONEST people, not dishonest $hitbags like Iperson.
Whine whine whine....blame our laws because you are too irresponsible to recognize your own character flaws. A visa cheat is a visa cheat, no matter how well one's father plays chess.

moreover, just signing up for school or making a deposit for tuition does not automatically award status to anyone, including a visa cheat and a pathological liar. Those are our rules.

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Originally posted by iperson:
Hudson,
Given the information about the system that I have today, I would have handled the situation differently and wouldn't have mentioned my boyfriend.
But at that point, I knew that the most important thing to do at any immigration interview (and I've went through one before and was granted tourist visa), is to be painfully honest.
Somehow, I was confident that having been admitted to a US college and having the documents to prove it, was enough for me to obtain the visa.
It didnt cross my mind that the consul would make such a quick and unjust decision having a huge impact on someone's life. I've went through the whole application process, paying a lot of fees to the university and already paid half of the tuition due for the first sememster.
So I thought the consul would be aware of it and would have no choice but be fair and give me the visa.
How naive of me.
In a way the consulates and BCIS in general ask for dishonesty.

If it makes you feel any better, I think you were too honest, IP. What one has to learn is how to say specific information at what time during the interview, just like you would if you were applying for a job. A common word of advice I have given to other non-USC wanting to come to the US to study is to treat immigration interviews like a job interview.

Yup, wish I had known that before.

Thanks Hudson.

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Originally posted by Someone12:
what planet are you on? One can apply to be a 'landed immigrant' of Canada without being a Canadian resident.
We have certain laws and rules in place regarding immigrating to the US for a reason....to protect the citizenry and economy of the United States of America, not to pander to a bunch of wannabees who don't want to obey our laws or work hard to meet certain qualifications.
It's just too bad if the whole wide world cannot immigrate to America....and if they did, where are they supposed to live and work? Where is the electricity and water supposed to come from? Oops...no one thinks of the infrastructure issues if 6B people showed up at our doorstep -- instead, the uninformed want to whine about our 'unfair' laws....unfair to whom? America's first and foremost concern is for the welfare and well-being of her citizens, not a bunch of law breaking whining types living outside our borders.....
each year Congress allows about 65,000 H1b workers, 65,000 unskilled workers (H2B), an unlimited number of foreign students (last year averaging about 600,000) an unlimited number of marriages to American citizens (about 300,000 last year), nearly 500,000 immigrant visas in various categories....and this isn't enough??????????? Here's $5...go buy a clue.

I guess I just can't sit still and listen to that **** anymore. I've been hearing it too often now - illegals don't pay taxes. Illegals don't respect the laws etc., etc., get a grip!

People live here undocumented for many years. They work, pay taxes - i.e., property taxes if they have houses, luckily the U.S. investment industry is greedy enough to want to finance the undocumented, they file federal and state taxes through their jobs just like any other - in no way would they ever try and cheat the government because eventually, they might be given a chance to legalize and will have to provide a record. Not like the USCs, have you checked how many USCs are tax evaders? Undocumented people buy groceries and all other goods needed for life, pay taxes on every loaf of bread, milk, etc. they buy. How will this effect the economy? I have not ever bought anything in this country that didn't have a tax added, did you? Now all you have to do is multiply this by 12-20,000,000 and you'll see how beneficial undocumented people really are to the economy. For example: let's say Verizon would have 12 - 20,000,000 less telephone and DSL customers? Would they be is business? Undocumented by just like everybody 12 - 20,000,000 cars and the like. You think the car industry would feel the difference if they had that much business less? I think they would!!!

finally someone with a brain...

Actually the article doesn't accuse you specifically for having illegal immigrant parents, it says the history of America is filled with illegal immigration. Which means that the America you love today is for a large part a product of illegal immigration. Do you think that part of history has been particularly damaging to the America considering how it is today? And can you clearly distinguish the negative effects of the past illegal immigration on today's society?

Also a question for Someone12. If you believe that a particular illegal immigrant in the US today would be able to simply go home, apply for a US visa and then come back. In what way would it be considerably better comparing to that persons existence in the US today, as an illegal? If you are perceiving a number of negative economical effects from this person, do you believe that these same effects would simply cease to exist if he came to the country legally? And if so, could you elaborate why? If you believe the negative effects would cease to exist upon him becoming legal, you should support legalization as it's going to fix all of these problems at once.

Then again if you believe the problem can't be fixed merely with legal status, it's not really the legality that you find undesirable, but the person itself.

Thus, I could conclude that although you claim to make your point that of opposing to the fact that they are here illegally, the real issue at hand is that you don't wish these people to be in America at all, and don't believe that they could make a positive economical impact.

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Originally posted by K_Solomon:
finally someone with a brain...

....unfortunately....it's undocumented!!

you morons cannot do basic math....illegals do not pay anywhere close to their "fair share" in taxes....just look at the plight of public schools, underfunded and filled with illegal alien brats...hospitals that shell out millions in care to illegals (last year, Calif blew off $330,000,000 in medical care for illegals...that's a lot of lettuce)
with the majority of illegals being paid under the table, there is nowhere near enough federal and state income taxes being collected....they drive without car insurance and walk away from the disasters they cause without spending a dime....but most of all, these $hitbag$ have shown nothing but contempt and disrespect for our laws, our borders, our nation from the first day they snuck across the river or lied to our immigration officials when they scammed a visa...well screw them....they have NO right to be here...but hey, if you love 'em so much, take a dozen into YOUR house, let them use YOUR car, let them steal YOUR job, let them have their way with YOUR daughter....and let's see your true feelings then..
we have laws and rules for a reason...it is not to reward illegal scumbags.

Wrong!!! The majority of undocumented do pay taxes. The problem is, it is not credited to them. So, the schools don't get the funds due them. Medicare doesn't get the funds due it etc. I think it's a mistery where these funds end up. I've been hoping all these years and every time I drive through one of them numerous potholes in the streets, I whished they would use the funds to fix at least these **** things -- I guess I'll just keep on dreaming.
... majority of illegals being paid under the table, I can probably site just as many USCs, that too get paid under the table to evade "UNCLE SAM" - contractors, handyman's you name'em.

Noone in this country is allowed to drive without car insurance - where have you been? Steeling ones job: Hmm, I cannot see anybody steel anyone's job, unless of course he is better. People have to be on their toes -- these days, as this is a competitive world. Europe has the same problem with its less developed neighbor countries. People go there to make a few bucks more, industry is hiring to spend a few bucks less. The USA is not the only country that is challenged by this.

I think the first thing you should do, Kollerkrot, is invest a few dollars in a dictionary and look up the word "steal" versus "steel"...you ignorant dumkopf...illegals do not, repeat, do not pay enough taxes to offset the huge debts they run up in the US...and virtually none have car insurance....you have obviously been eating too much saurkraut, mein herrball.

you couldn't sight your own fat a$$, dip$hit. And while you are paging through the dictionary, look up the word "wish" or "wished" -- see how it compares with your version....what an idiot.