Originally posted by NeedHelpFast: Hey proud, Maybe you should rename this thread to "has anyone READ the fourth amendment"???????? Geez, what else can you say??? To those who don't understand, no explanation is sufficient.
Hey NeedHelp - you're probably right - lol. It doesn't matter if they've read it or not. These haters have their own interpretation of our Constitution. It matters not to them what the framers intended when they penned it.
over and over we hear this nonsense about how enforcing our immigration laws somehow violates some dirtbag illegal alien's 'human rights...'what about our rights as American citizens, who pay the taxes that pay for the brats and schooling of illegal alien douchebags? Pardon me, but illegal aliens, last time I checked (about 10 minutes ago) do NOT have the right to even be in the United States of America....so when our law enforcement officials knock on the door of some over-populated flea-infested flophouse to 'raid' the illegals, well, so what? Someone please point out where, in any of our laws, (those of the US of A, not some mythical society) it states that our immigration officials cannot rid our country of dirtbag illegals? Come on proudusc, (aka the wimp)..you seem to love illegals so much,,,,find that section of our laws....isn't it amazing that no slimeball immgration attorney has EVER been able to reverse the raids?? Hmmm..maybe that suggests that there are no such thing as some nebulous 'human rights' bestowed upon those who have lied, cheated, paid or otherwise scammed their way into this sovereign nation.....which means ICE is well within the sphere of their authority to rid the US of A of every law-breaking dirtbag illegal....notwithstanding the crocodile tears of proudusc and other morons who have some misguided, unsupported (by our laws) notion that illegals have a basic 'right' to be in America....they don't....come wimps (illegal alien supporters)....do some research and find that law and then wave it in our noses.....
Excuse me Mr. political correct, but I call a spade a spade, apparently the AUTHOR of this article shares my point of view in terms of when it is necessary to refer to someone as a breeder.
Too bad you can't distinguish a post vs. an article written by an entirely different person. I suggest you email him or her with your PC instructions.
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Originally posted by NeedHelpFast: Hey proud, Maybe you should rename this thread to "has anyone READ the fourth amendment"???????? Geez, what else can you say??? To those who don't understand, no explanation is sufficient.
Hey NeedHelp - you're probably right - lol. It doesn't matter if they've read it or not. These haters have their own interpretation of our Constitution. It matters not to them what the framers intended when they penned it.
Looks like we need to take some folk back to school...isn't it mandatory in all states that high schoolers take government as a required HS course...??? I learned the constitution in elementary school, although I was fortunate enough to go to private school. So much for public education! Looks like you learned it though...
Originally posted by Someone12: over and over we hear this nonsense about how enforcing our immigration laws somehow violates some dirtbag illegal alien's 'human rights...'what about our rights as American citizens, who pay the taxes that pay for the brats and schooling of illegal alien douchebags? Pardon me, but illegal aliens, last time I checked (about 10 minutes ago) do NOT have the right to even be in the United States of America....so when our law enforcement officials knock on the door of some over-populated flea-infested flophouse to 'raid' the illegals, well, so what? Someone please point out where, in any of our laws, (those of the US of A, not some mythical society) it states that our immigration officials cannot rid our country of dirtbag illegals? Come on proudusc, (aka the wimp)..you seem to love illegals so much,,,,find that section of our laws....isn't it amazing that no slimeball immgration attorney has EVER been able to reverse the raids?? Hmmm..maybe that suggests that there are no such thing as some nebulous 'human rights' bestowed upon those who have lied, cheated, paid or otherwise scammed their way into this sovereign nation.....which means ICE is well within the sphere of their authority to rid the US of A of every law-breaking dirtbag illegal....notwithstanding the crocodile tears of proudusc and other morons who have some misguided, unsupported (by our laws) notion that illegals have a basic 'right' to be in America....they don't....come wimps (illegal alien supporters)....do some research and find that law and then wave it in our noses.....
wicha bad self. ITA, the whining,complaining arrogance and sense of entitlement is just cringeworthy, yet they wait until they cross the border before they start with all the BS because they know if they do that s*it in Messyhole they'll be gunned down in the streets. That's why they took those maps Vincente was passing out to get to the US figuring they would appear far more dignified and it would be a lot more "HUMANE" dying in the desert.
Originally posted by Beverly: Excuse me Mr. political correct, but I call a spade a spade, apparently the AUTHOR of this article shares my point of view in terms of when it is necessary to refer to someone as a breeder.
Too bad you can't distinguish a post vs. an article written by an entirely different person. I suggest you email him or her with your PC instructions.
You stated yourself that you share the same views as the author of the article. You posted it it didn't you, or was that your "other" persona who posted this??
Analysis: Student visa concern highlighted SHAUN WATERMANPublished: December 13, 2007WASHINGTON, Dec. 13 (UPI) -- The arrest on firearms charges of a Moroccan student at the University of South Florida has highlighted what critics say are continuing security loopholes in the way U.S. visas are issued to those who want to come here to study. A bill introduced in the House Thursday would tighten security procedures for student visa issuance and introduce new registration requirements for students during their stay.
Opponents say the provisions are onerous and run counter to the need to improve the image of the United States. Bringing foreign students here is a major priority for U.S. public diplomacy, say officials, and surveys show that those who visit the United States -- even from traditionally hostile populations in the Middle East -- have consistently more positive views of the country.
Moroccan student Karim Moussaoui appeared in court in Tampa, Fla., Thursday facing federal firearms charges arising out of a visit in July to a shooting range with two fellow students, Youssef Megahed and Ahmed Mohamed.
Megahed and Mohamed, both Egyptian nationals, were arrested in South Carolina in August and charged with having explosive material in their car.
Mohamed later was charged with terrorist offences after he was accused of making and posting on the Internet a video showing how to use a remote-controlled toy as a bomb detonator.
Moussaoui is charged with having a firearm, which is illegal for anyone in the country on a non-immigrant visa, such as a student visa, and faces up to ten years in prison if convicted.
According to the complaint, after Moussaoui told federal agents he had visited the range but not used a weapon there, investigators found a picture of him on Magahed's computer "standing at a firing lane possessing a shoulder-fired weapon and wearing the type of hearing protection s******* use at a shooting range."
He was released Thursday on a $50,000 signature bail bond, after surrendering his passport and agreeing to electronic monitoring.
Moussaoui's attorney, Stephen Crawford, told the Tampa Tribune the charge was "a relatively minor offense" and said Moussaoui was being prosecuted because of his connection to the two Egyptians. "The reason we are here in federal court is he is a friend of Mr. Mohamed and Mr. Megahed," Crawford said.
Rep. Gus Bilirakis, R-Fla., the author of the bill introduced Thursday, believes Moussaoui's arrest is "another reason to consider this legislation," said spokesman John Tomaszewski.
The bill would increase the registration requirements for foreign students. Currently they must check in with a designated school official upon arrival and at the end of each semester, to verify they are still attending classes and fulfilling the other requirements of their visa.
Under the bill, they would have to check in every 30 days.
Safiya Ghori, government relations director for the Muslim Public Affairs Council, called the provision "very troubling."
"They are already under scrutiny," she said of foreign students. "The presumption (of the bill) is that they are a threat."
Tomaszewski said that Bilirakis recognized the importance of student visas as a public diplomacy tool, but pointed out the number of them had only just recovered to pre-Sept. 11, 2001, levels.
"It would only take one bad apple to ruin" all that progress, he said, "one person to slip through the net with bad intentions."
The bill would also require Department of Homeland Security officials based in embassy consular affairs sections to review all student visa applications before they are decided.
"You need a system in place that screens all these applicants before they get here," said Tomaszewski. "There are some holes in the system."
The officials, called visa security officers, are currently based at a number of embassies around the world, in so-called countries of concern, almost all in the Middle East or with large Muslim populations.
Currently, the officers review visa applications, including ones from would-be students, using a risk management approach -- focusing on those with certain "red flags," said U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Michael Keegan.
"They are focused on those (applications) which are higher level risks for fraud or national security," Keegan told UPI. As is customary, he declined to comment on pending legislation.
Critics fretted that the additional checks would slow down an already elongated visa application process for would-be students.
"There's no question that this will have a special impact on students from the Middle East and other Muslim countries," said Ghori.
Currently the State Department "bends over backwards to make the process as smooth as possible," said an official authorized to speak to the media. He said embassies had a specially expedited interview procedure for students whose school starting dates were looming.
"Our goal is that no one should miss their class," the official said.
Originally posted by Beverly: Excuse me Mr. political correct, but I call a spade a spade, apparently the AUTHOR of this article shares my point of view in terms of when it is necessary to refer to someone as a breeder.
Too bad you can't distinguish a post vs. an article written by an entirely different person. I suggest you email him or her with your PC instructions.
You stated yourself that you share the same views as the author of the article. You posted it it didn't you, or was that your "other" persona who posted this??
Don't hate the messenger, hate the message. That being said, I only have one persona and it doesn't discriminate I CALL A SPADE A SPADE. As far as I'm concerned any female that breeds multiple babies knowing fully well she can't provide for them but uses them to provide for her is a FN Breedmare.
I don't hate you. Maybe you are projecting your own hatred upon me and others, but I decline from this inclusion. Your response does not address the fact that you are using dehumanizing terms to describe human beings. Research the archives of history, alot can be gained from the mistakes our forefathers made, or have you forgotten?
buck: Archaic derogatory term for a healthy, strong black male during slavery times. Slave owners would breed their “bucks†with young female slaves to produce “superior†slaves. Do not use to describe a person.
Originally posted by NeedHelpFast: I don't hate you. Maybe you are projecting your own hatred upon me and others, but I decline from this inclusion. Your response does not address the fact that you are using dehumanizing terms to describe human beings. Research the archives of history, alot can be gained from the mistakes our forefathers made, or have you forgotten?
buck: Archaic derogatory term for a healthy, strong black male during slavery times. Slave owners would breed their “bucks†with young female slaves to produce “superior†slaves. Do not use to describe a person.
Wow . . the race card AGAIN? Is that all you people have in terms of justification for these trifling breedmares in retaliation against me for telling the truth?
I've known all my life that I'M BLACK. Unlike you I'M PROUD OF WHO I AM AND WHAT I'VE ACCOMPLISHED IN MY LIFETIME. I TOLD YOU I'M BLACK REMEMBER?
I wouldn't care if the nasty **** is green with orange polka dots she is a worthless piece of s-hit and yes a breedmare when she perpetually screws anything that can donate sperm in order to get knocked up to collect a welfare check, citizenship, chain migration and any other freebies she can pimp her offspring for.
Yet another idiot comparison. Black men did not get welfare nor did they BREED TO BENEFIT THEMSELVES. You can blame the WHITE SLAVE MASTERS FOR THAT CONCEPT.
NEXT idiot with low self esteem and inaccurate, stupid comparisons and justification for breedmares who eat their young and sadly attempt to justify pimping them . . . . . . . .
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The open-borders abuse of Saul Arellano By Michelle Malkin • September 12, 2007 07:10 AM Update 9:15am Eastern: Watch this obnoxious video.
Illegal alien activists across the country will hold a “National Day of Action†today to show their solidarity with sanctuary symbol/deportation evader/document fraudster Elvira Arellano. Upon her recent deportation, she called on her open-borders mates to continue pushing for sabotage of our immigration laws. In Washington and elsewhere, the mob will declare “Todos Somos Elvira (We are all Elvira)†and demand a stop to cruel immigration raids that “separate families.â€
Well, nothing the United States has ever done to illegal alien activist Elvira Arellano matches the cruelty and callousness of what she is doing to her own child. The Associated Press reports:
An 8-year-old boy has become a star attraction at pro-immigration events since his mother took refuge in a Chicago church before she was deported to Mexico.
Now, even some inside the immigration movement are questioning whether Saul Arellano is being exploited.
“It’s almost like an act of desperation on our part. Why is it that we need to depend upon a child?†said Armando Navarro, coordinator of the National Alliance for Human Rights, an umbrella organization for Hispanic groups in Southern California.
Saul’s mother, Elvira Arellano, was in the U.S. illegally for several years before taking sanctuary at Chicago’s Adalberto United Methodist Church, where she lived with her son for a year in defiance of a deportation order. She left the church last month to speak to other immigrants around the country and was arrested in Los Angeles by immigration authorities. They deported her to Tijuana, Mexico.
Hours after her arrest, Saul was brought to a news conference where supporters denounced her detention. He didn’t look into the cameras or even speak, instead hiding behind his godmother.
“I don’t want media,†he told his mother while visiting her a day later in Tijuana. Yesterday, Saul Arellano was in Cleveland addressing illegal alien activists with his open-borders legal guardian. Word is that the little boy will be a star attraction today at the national amnesty rally in Washington, D.C.
Shouldn’t he be in school instead of being dragged around the country and paraded for the cameras?
Even more of Arellano’s open-borders allies are disgusted:
On Wednesday, advocates planned pro-immigrant demonstrations inspired by Saul’s mother in communities across the nation. The boy’s mother said Saul would be part of a vigil in Washington, D.C., or a rally in Tijuana. Anti-illegal immigrant groups have long accused Arellano and immigration activists of exploiting Saul in their pursuit of reform. The boy has zigzagged the country for the last year, appearing at rallies, on television programs and at meetings with lawmakers.
Many Hispanic activists and immigrants have also suggested that the boy should be allowed to live a normal childhood.
“Is it right to use a child … in political problems?†a person asked recently on http://www.hoyinternet.com, a Spanish-language news site. “Is it right for his own mother to use him this way?“ And it looks like even the open-borders media is getting queasy about Saul Arellano’s role. Note that this is an Associated Press reporter describing the scene:
At rallies and news conferences, Saul is usually more interested in playing handheld video games or running around than speaking to the reporters. Since his mother was arrested in front of him last month — which she said traumatized him — he appears even more reticent.
During a brief appearance in San Jose two days after the arrest, Saul seemed bewildered when he faced a wall of reporters bearing cameras and microphones. He stood quietly, his eyes scanning the crowd, as his godmother and the pastor of the Chicago church criticized immigration laws that separate families. It is Elvira Arellano’s choice, and hers alone, to separate herself from her son. The gall of this law-breaking zealot does not cease to amaze.
Elvira Arellano is calling on people to pray today.
I am an American citizen who lives and works (legally) in Mexico. On July 8th, 1999, my son David was born here in Mexico (and is doing fine, thank you). Although he was born in Mexico, my son is a natural-born American citizen, and has an American birth certificate to prove it. That birth certificate is just as valid as if he had been born in the U.S.A.
In order to obtain that birth certificate for David, I had to take the little baby 370 miles to the U.S. consulate in Monterrey, Mexico. I had to turn in a lot of paperwork to process the application. I had to provide documentation to prove that I myself was an American citizen who had lived in the U.S. for at least 5 years. I had to pay for copies of documents and for official photographs. And the burden of proof was on me to prove that I was an American.
I share this not to complain. I understand that my situation is special , and that I have to play by the rules. (And the consulate service was excellent.) What bothers me is that while I have to play by the rules, another class of people does not have to play by the rules. These people do not have to prove they are American citizens - in fact, they are not. They do not have to prove they lived in the U.S. for at least 5 years. They do not have to pay for any paperwork to be processed. In short, this class of people is granted a number of privileges that I, an American citizen, am not entitled to.
To what privileged class of people do I refer? I refer to the illegal aliens in the U.S.A.. An illegal alien can cross the border, have a baby five minutes later, and that baby is automatically declared a citizen of the U.S.A. Automatically! The illegal aliens don't have to go through any of the things that I did. They are exempt from all that. They are, in fact, rewarded for disobeying U.S. law by having their children granted automatic citizenship. In addition, the happy family is entitled to welfare benefits. And, illegal alien parents who have children born in the U.S. are seldom deported . That's why their children are called "anchor babies" - they anchor their families securely in the U.S.A.
You might ask me, "Well, why didn't you arrange to have your baby be born in the U.S.A.?" I certainly would have preferred that , but it's not so easy. You see, in my present situation, living and working in Mexico, I couldn't afford it, and I don't have U.S. medical insurance. The illegal aliens, like myself, can't afford it either and don't have medical insurance either. But not to worry - my government pays for them, and their children are automatically declared citizens. A lowly American citizen such as myself, however, is not entitled to the taxpayer-supported privileges of the illegal aliens.
How big is the anchor baby phenomenon? It has been estimated that about 165,000 anchor babies are born (and automatically granted citizenship) each year. It might actually be higher. The exact figure is uncertain because all hospitals and physicians receiving federal funds are forbidden from inquiring as their patients' legal status. In other words, the U.S. taxpayer is financing medical care for illegal aliens, and those providing such care can't even ask if patients are legal or not! The state of California has a particularly liberal program to reward illegal aliens which includes free pre-natal care and delivery, and it's no surprise that 60% of babies born in LA community hospitals are born to illegals. In 1994, a majority of California who went to the polls voted to end such nonsense. But the will of the people was placed under a judge's restraining order until a later state government, at the behest of the president of Mexico struck it down. So the gravy train rolls on!
Of course the birth of an anchor baby is only the beginning. As the child grows he or she is entitled to a multitude of other taxpayer-funded programs. Since most anchor babies are classified as "minorities", they can expect to enjoy legal preference over "non-Hispanic white males" under today's "civil rights" regime. Upon reaching adulthood, the citizen anchor baby is eligible to import relatives from the home country through America's nepotistic chain migration system , in which the principal qualification for a prespective legal immigrant is having relatives already in the U.S. When you look at the vast cornucopia of benefits, you have to conclude that the U.S.A. offers powerful incentives for illegal immigration. For those who disobey U.S. law and their children, America is certainly the land of opportunity!
Why does the U.S. have such an insane policy? Most countries of the world do not! The United Kingdom and Australia formerly had similar policies, but changed them when they were subject to the same abuses which the U.S.A. still endures.
Present U.S. anchor baby "policy" is an abuse of the 14th Amendment. This amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the civil rights of native-born black Americans, who had recently been freed from slavery and whose rights were being denied. The amendment states that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...." The clear, original intent of the 14th Amendment was spelled out in 1866 by Senator Jacob Howard, co-author of its citizenship clause, who wrote "Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." Clearly the original intent of the 14th Amendment was not to encourage foreigners to defy U.S. law at taxpayer expense. Sadly the amendment is now being employed to do just that.
And, as an American living in Mexico, I can assure the reader that the U.S. policy of automatic birth citizenship is well-known here, and is taken advantage of by many Mexicans. You can also rest assured that it provides another incentive to illegal immigration. After all, if you can just get across the border, the baby - and for all practical purposes the parents - are legal. Such an incentive can even prove deadly - cadavers of pregnant women are among those who die crossing the U.S. - Mexico border.
The anchor baby fiasco must be stopped. It rewards illegal immigrants and encourages more illegal immigration. It costs law-abiding taxpayers a bundle. It makes it harder to control the border, reform immigration and rein in the runaway welfare state. And, as I found in my personal experience, it cheapens American citizenship and mocks those who play by the rules.
Allan E. Wall is an American citizen who has lived and worked in Mexico since 1991. Presently employed as an English instructor and administrator, Allan has legal permission from the Mexican government to live and work in Mexico under the rubric of an FM-2 migration document (No. 312448) for which he had to pay $1,816.00 pesos for renewal this past year. Allan would be glad to receive questions or comments (pro or con), at allan39@prodigy.net.mx.
For illegal immigrants: Don't ask, don't tell If you're in this country illegally, and you want to do the right thing by applying for legal status, here's some advice from an immigration lawyer: Don't; don't ask the government for legal status; don't tell them you're here.
That's from Jose Hernandez, an immigration lawyer, who says he often tells illegal immigrants, "There is nothing I can do for you. Do not even look for answers. There's nothing that can be done for you."
The story we've been reporting for "360°" is a sad one. It started 17 years ago, when a 14-year-old Mexican girl named Maria Christina Garcia ran away from home. She tells me she was running from an abusive father.
Garcia crossed the border into California in the back seat of a friend's car at San Ysidro. She found work at a Taco Bell, and later a Target, and then at a large hospital. She gave birth to two sons -- both American citizens, now enrolled in good public schools in Orange County -- and kept a tidy apartment in a nice neighborhood.
But she made one very big mistake: She believed a storefront immigration consultant could help her get legal status. She paid this consultant $8,000.
Prosecutors now say the whole thing was a fraud, a nasty fraud, because in addition to taking her money, the immigration consultants told the U.S. government all about Maria Christina. She's about to be deported. The government told her she has just over a month left in this country.
She was the victim of an immigration fraud scam so common that her current lawyer rolls his eyes when he describes it. "What they tell them is: 'In 90 days, I can get you a work authorization, and within about a year, year-and-a-half, you will be able to get your green card.'"
As Hernandez tells it, the immigration consultant first applies for asylum in Maria's name. That application is quickly denied, because illegal immigrants from Mexico are generally not eligible for asylum.
The case is then turned over to an immigration court, which begins deportation proceedings. Because that sometimes takes a long time, and because the U.S. government believes in due process, an immigrant in deportation proceedings can be eligible for a temporary work permit.
This is what Maria got, and immigrants fight for these permits because they can use them, legally, to get a drivers license and a valid Social Security card.
At that point, says Hernandez, "Most of these immigrants think, 'We're on the right path. We're actually getting what we were promised.' Little do they know that in about a year and a half, they're actually going to be removed."
Maria's time is almost up. She's due to be deported in June, and it is very hard to get the government to change its mind about a deportation.
She's an emotional wreck. She has two American-born sons who are citizens. She is expecting a third child in July. She has health insurance and a doctor in California, and has neither in Mexico, where she will likely give birth.
She's thinking of leaving her children in California - their father lives here. They are well aware of what's going on -- her older son, 11-year-old Ivan, often refuses to go to school. He thinks the police might be coming for his mother, and he wants to be home to protect her.
"It may not be fair, but unfortunately, that's the law," said Jorge Guzman, who fights immigration fraud at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
What happened to the people who allegedly defrauded Maria? Not much. The operators of La Guadalupana Immigration Services in Santa Ana, California, were charged with numerous counts of business fraud in state court in California, but the operators have disappeared. Authorities believe they left the country after ripping off 2,000 or more illegal immigrants. Posted By Peter Viles, CNN Correspondent: 11:16 AM ET 78 Comments | Add a Comment
NeedHelp & ProudUSC, I have a question for you two. Why do you support the subversion of our laws?
It has been demonstrated on numerous occassions that this ongoing problem is hurtful to this country. Yet you still support it.
It has been shown that many people have died because of it, USC and otherwise. I'll even inlcude the illegals dead in the desert. If they didn't think they could get away with it they would still be alive today. Yet, you still support it.
Many workers of various industries are having their pay lowered due to illegal alien exploitation. An entire thread with hundreds of news releases are given to document it. Yet, you still support it.
Where is the humanity, dignity, and respect? Forget all of us on this side of the border. What about your friends on the other. Howmany have to die in the desert before you think its enough? They are being encouraged to break the law and subsequently take the risks associated with it. Some will live and some will die. Maybe they don't matter since they are just a number to support a cause. I would just like to know what the cause is.
You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
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wicha bad self. ITA, the whining,complaining arrogance and sense of entitlement is just cringeworthy, yet they wait until they cross the border before they start with all the BS because they know if they do that s*it in Messyhole they'll be gunned down in the streets. That's why they took those maps Vincente was passing out to get to the US figuring they would appear far more dignified and it would be a lot more "HUMANE" dying in the desert.
