Thank you for your sympathy! Would I have gotten the same response if I would have been from Mexico?
Somebody here on that board said once " behind every illegal immigrant is a story". Well that is my story, but the same thing could have happend to a mexican woman, maybe it even does?
Don't get me wrong, I understand that the US can just take a certain amount of immigrants and that there are immigration rules/laws to make sure that the people living here stay safe; a country can just take so much.
But I really think it is wrong to judge over every illegal immigrant, because for some of us it is not out "fault".
Desterrose, I agree that a lot of people know how to work the system and that needs to be taken care of. But I still don't understand what this has do do with illegal immigrants? I think they are USC who do that. You have this work experiance, so perhaps you can explain how a illegal immigrant can get welfare since this is agains the regulations?
Not sure if your post was directed to me, but to be honest, I didn't know you weren't a Mexican - I don't think you mentioned your country of origin. So, my replies were not biased.
Originally posted by Vegado: Thank you for your sympathy! Would I have gotten the same response if I would have been from Mexico?
Somebody here on that board said once " behind every illegal immigrant is a story". Well that is my story, but the same thing could have happend to a mexican woman, maybe it even does?
Don't get me wrong, I understand that the US can just take a certain amount of immigrants and that there are immigration rules/laws to make sure that the people living here stay safe; a country can just take so much.
But I really think it is wrong to judge over every illegal immigrant, because for some of us it is not out "fault".
Desterrose, I agree that a lot of people know how to work the system and that needs to be taken care of. But I still don't understand what this has do do with illegal immigrants? I think they are USC who do that. You have this work experiance, so perhaps you can explain how a illegal immigrant can get welfare since this is agains the regulations?
My post was specifically to point out the huge burden that millions of illegals pouring over our borders are putting on this country. Also, the US is one of the only countries that gives birthright citizenship, which is causing a huge strain on our social services. I did not point out Mexicans or any other race in my post...illegal is illegal regardless of where they are from. However, I did say that many came into the DHR office with Spanish translators which is a fact. In fact I never saw anyone come in with a translator of any other language other than Spanish. How fair is it to the legal citizens of this country that an illegal couple (both illegal) CAN get benefits for their child/children just because they were able to cross the border illegally and have children on US soil? This happens in numbers you wouldn't believe, and yes they CAN AND DO get benefits for their children because their children are considered citizens if they are born here and they come knowing full well they can, which is one of the reasons they come in the first place. As I pointed out in one of my previous posts, because they are undocumented, they can make up any amount of income they want (which citizens cannot do) and get the max benefits possible. If you consider that there are AT LEAST 11 million illegals in this country (most numbers idicate there are many more than that) can you even imagine how many children are born to illegals (most have at least 3)? You would not believe how many of them are receiving benefits for their children. Most of them have their children on Medicaid (which even covers dental for them) from the time they are conceived unti they are 19 years old. And that doesn't include food stamps (I can tell you the average family with 3 children receives $500-$600/month), WIC until they are 5 years old, and then free school lunches. Can you imagine how much strain that puts on our social services? We have had to cut funding in other programs that help our senior citizens, etc. because of this, which means that legal citizens are not only paying for illegals, but other programs which they may someday need are suffering too. You said: "But I really think it is wrong to judge over every illegal immigrant, because for some of us it is not out "fault". I am not sure what you mean by "it is not their fault" but I suspect that they were not forced to sneak over the border or overstay their Visa. I am a compassionate person and I feel for those born in third world countries. However, one country cannot support another country; it's just too much and not fair to the working people here (including the LEGAL immigrants) who are trying to support their families too and paying their fair share of taxes and paying for their insurance (which you must know how expensive insurance is--(not cheap like tri-care and usually has high deductables), paying for auto insurance, etc. My mother was hit by an illegal who ran a stop sign and 2 of my children were in the van with her. It totaled her van. He took off but she got his license plate #....After tracking him,the police said he had no license and had done this before. Of course he had no insurance...happens all the time...
I just wanted to comment on Vegados "not being their fault"...I too consider it was not my fault, that I ended up here without papers. It was my (American) ex-husband's fault, because he did not file for me. He used the fact, that I didn't have papers to control me. I think there are many people that are in the same situation.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Well, it seems that we only have one side of the story, ah? It really doesn't matter what side it is...is just the error proof, perfect, unique, only side..right? Whether is the "deport them all" or the "let them stay", my side is "IT". It amuses me, the fact that the US, has changed that much!! What happend with our values?? What happened with the respect for another human been? Don't you see??? People are not longer people, they are worthless!! It really doesn't matter if they are USC or illegal immigrants...our troops are getting killed in Irak, over oil, and in here we are separating parents from their kids....all because of money. It really doesn't matter how good a person is, how hard they work, what matters is the co$t right?? What happened to you America? Where is the great liberator, that redeemed the jews, that accepted the poor, that helped the one in need??? How can someone judge the reasons of another human being without experiencing the other's life? Shame on you!!! Just remember that you will be judge in the same scale!!! When was the turning point when the US turn from protector to prosecutor??? What happened? How did the money became more important than a human life? Poor souls!!!! Does it really matter any more?
and, it is. ILlegals are irresponsible slime who need to be deported at the earliest opportunity....then, they can whine all they want in their own country....and good riddance.
Originally posted by desertrose2002: My post was specifically to point out the huge burden that millions of illegals pouring over our borders are putting on this country. Also, the US is one of the only countries that gives birthright citizenship, which is causing a huge strain on our social services. I did not point out Mexicans or any other race in my post...illegal is illegal regardless of where they are from. However, I did say that many came into the DHR office with Spanish translators which is a fact. In fact I never saw anyone come in with a translator of any other language other than Spanish. How fair is it to the legal citizens of this country that an illegal couple (both illegal) CAN get benefits for their child/children just because they were able to cross the border illegally and have children on US soil? This happens in numbers you wouldn't believe, and yes they CAN AND DO get benefits for their children because their children are considered citizens if they are born here and they come knowing full well they can, which is one of the reasons they come in the first place. As I pointed out in one of my previous posts, because they are undocumented, they can make up any amount of income they want (which citizens cannot do) and get the max benefits possible. If you consider that there are AT LEAST 11 million illegals in this country (most numbers idicate there are many more than that) can you even imagine how many children are born to illegals (most have at least 3)? You would not believe how many of them are receiving benefits for their children. Most of them have their children on Medicaid (which even covers dental for them) from the time they are conceived unti they are 19 years old. And that doesn't include food stamps (I can tell you the average family with 3 children receives $500-$600/month), WIC until they are 5 years old, and then free school lunches. Can you imagine how much strain that puts on our social services? We have had to cut funding in other programs that help our senior citizens, etc. because of this, which means that legal citizens are not only paying for illegals, but other programs which they may someday need are suffering too. You said: "But I really think it is wrong to judge over every illegal immigrant, because for some of us it is not out "fault". I am not sure what you mean by "it is not their fault" but I suspect that they were not forced to sneak over the border or overstay their Visa. I am a compassionate person and I feel for those born in third world countries. However, one country cannot support another country; it's just too much and not fair to the working people here (including the LEGAL immigrants) who are trying to support their families too and paying their fair share of taxes and paying for their insurance (which you must know how expensive insurance is--(not cheap like tri-care and usually has high deductables), paying for auto insurance, etc. My mother was hit by an illegal who ran a stop sign and 2 of my children were in the van with her. It totaled her van. He took off but she got his license plate #....After tracking him,the police said he had no license and had done this before. Of course he had no insurance...happens all the time...
Desterrose,
I was unaware of the fact that the children born in the US a eligible for welfare even if the parents are illegal. I understand that this puts a huge strain on the taxpayers- especially where the taxes in the US are not as high as in other countries and therefore can not cover it. But, do you know that I pay taxes ,too?
I know for sure that the government will cut in other programs, e.g. medicaid disability. They want to cut down on a max. of $ 500 a month, what of course doesn't cover hardly anything for a disabled person. But I thought the reason for that was, that as soon as a child has medicaid the parents bring that child to a doctor for every sniffle since they don't have to pay for that.
I am really sorry about you mother and your children, and I am glad that nothing really bad happend. I understand that you are angry, I would be, too. But not every illegal is like that. I have insurance, I pay my bills, I don't get welfare, I pay my taxes, my yard is neat, I am a active member in my church, I donate money to poor american families,I pick up the groceries for my old neighbor, I support deployed soldiers I don't know.... I do pretty much the same things a legal immigrant would do- but I am not a legal immigrant.
I am not illegal by choice, and that is what I meant with " no fault". Not every illegal immigrant sneaked across a boarder, not everyone cheated a visa, not everyone married a "village- idiot" to get a GC. I think everyone should listen to the story WHY somebody is here illegal and THEN have an opinion about it.
BTW I always wondered why everything here in the US is in the spanish language also. Why do you do that? In my fist few moth here I always draged a friend or a family member with me to appointments just for in case I would not understand everything ( they had the patience to explain it to me in different words) and now if I don't understand a word I just ask what it means. What i am trying to say is, if not everything would be available in spanish maybe people would try to speak english since this is the language spoken here and everybody who whants to live here should speak at least a decent english. I would and always did exspect that from people living in my country. Any explanation for that?
Originally posted by Guby: Well, it seems that we only have one side of the story, ah? It really doesn't matter what side it is...is just the error proof, perfect, unique, only side..right? Whether is the "deport them all" or the "let them stay", my side is "IT". It amuses me, the fact that the US, has changed that much!! What happend with our values?? What happened with the respect for another human been? Don't you see??? People are not longer people, they are worthless!! It really doesn't matter if they are USC or illegal immigrants...our troops are getting killed in Irak, over oil, and in here we are separating parents from their kids....all because of money. It really doesn't matter how good a person is, how hard they work, what matters is the co$t right?? What happened to you America? Where is the great liberator, that redeemed the jews, that accepted the poor, that helped the one in need??? How can someone judge the reasons of another human being without experiencing the other's life? Shame on you!!! Just remember that you will be judge in the same scale!!! When was the turning point when the US turn from protector to prosecutor??? What happened? How did the money became more important than a human life? Poor souls!!!! Does it really matter any more?
Guby,
I don't know what kind of dreamland you are living in, but try being a little realistic. While you are so quick to criticize Americans for not welcoming millions upon millions of illegals into the U.S,. you fail to point out the fact that the U.S. welcomes more LEGAL immigrants than any other country and treats the illegals better than any other country (which is one of the reasons they keep coming and coming).
And just how many more than the already 12 million (perhaps more like 20 million) illegals that are already here (not including their children), should we continue to take? Just what is the acceptable level for you? Forget the fact that this staggering level of illegal immigration depresses wages for those who are here legally, contributes to over-population and pollution, overcrowds our schools which is one of the main reasons our children are lagging behind other countries academically, and overwhelms our social services. ALL countries have borders and immigration laws, and we have a right to protect our borders, especially after 911. You need to open your eyes to reality and get off your high self-righteous soap box. Why don't you take a good look at yourself before judging others?
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Originally posted by Someone12: every $hitbag illegal whines the same tune ..."waa waa waa it's not my fault.." bull$hit.
Ok instead of repeading you opinion, why don't you point out where exactly people like Krollerkrot and I made a mistake so you will have a base on discussion that is was our fault that we are illegal.
Marrying an abusive husband doesn't count as a mistake, since it is known that they are not abusive from the beginnig more likely they are the opposite very charming, thoughful and caring. So point it out
That to the Spanish speaking problem. I've been thinking this for many years. Moreover, there is of course the problem that American's are really not that accepting to foreigners as they really think they are, which leads to every group of foreigners to keep with their own kinds, hence you see, Chinese Towns, Little Italy, Little Russia etc. etc.
Just my opinion!
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
overcrowds our schools which is one of the main reasons our children are lagging behind other countries academically
Desertrose, with all due respect, but you have got to be kidding me.
I am outraged that you are trying to put the incapable American Education System on the with the children of the illegal overcroudedness of the schools.
The "Leave No Child Behind" act is the main reason for this. Children are merely being pushed through the curiculum here.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
overcrowds our schools which is one of the main reasons our children are lagging behind other countries academically
Desertrose, with all due respect, but you have got to be kidding me.
I am outraged that you are trying to put the incapable American Education System on the with the children of the illegal overcroudedness of the schools.
The "Leave No Child Behind" act is the main reason for this. Children are merely being pushed through the curiculum here.
Are you saying you believe having 35+ students per one teacher doesn't affect the student's ability to learn? Come on...Statistically, those students who are in less crowded classrooms score higher on exams. I did not say this overcrowding is the only issue either; but one of the reasons. Yes, "The No Child Left Behind" act made things even worse.
Desertrose2002: What makes me feel relax is that you can't do nothing to change the system the way you want it This board is a way to relief yourself and its ok.
I was unaware of the fact that the children born in the US a eligible for welfare even if the parents are illegal. I understand that this puts a huge strain on the taxpayers- especially where the taxes in the US are not as high as in other countries and therefore can not cover it. But, do you know that I pay taxes ,too?
I know for sure that the government will cut in other programs, e.g. medicaid disability. They want to cut down on a max. of $ 500 a month, what of course doesn't cover hardly anything for a disabled person. But I thought the reason for that was, that as soon as a child has medicaid the parents bring that child to a doctor for every sniffle since they don't have to pay for that.
I am really sorry about you mother and your children, and I am glad that nothing really bad happend. I understand that you are angry, I would be, too. But not every illegal is like that. I have insurance, I pay my bills, I don't get welfare, I pay my taxes, my yard is neat, I am a active member in my church, I donate money to poor american families,I pick up the groceries for my old neighbor, I support deployed soldiers I don't know.... I do pretty much the same things a legal immigrant would do- but I am not a legal immigrant.
I am not illegal by choice, and that is what I meant with " no fault". Not every illegal immigrant sneaked across a boarder, not everyone cheated a visa, not everyone married a "village- idiot" to get a GC. I think everyone should listen to the story WHY somebody is here illegal and THEN have an opinion about it.
BTW I always wondered why everything here in the US is in the spanish language also. Why do you do that? In my fist few moth here I always draged a friend or a family member with me to appointments just for in case I would not understand everything ( they had the patience to explain it to me in different words) and now if I don't understand a word I just ask what it means. What i am trying to say is, if not everything would be available in spanish maybe people would try to speak english since this is the language spoken here and everybody who whants to live here should speak at least a decent english. I would and always did exspect that from people living in my country. Any explanation for that?
Vegado,
Yes, Medicaid is and in some states has already placed a max amount on benefits and in some cases a max amount of doctor's office visits. This can be overruled if a statement is given by a doctor saying the person covered requires more visits or more expensive treatments. This is caused by the sheer volume of people on Medicaid. Yes, there are some parents who take their child to the doctor for every little cough, etc. but the number of people on Medicaid raising so drastically is the number one reason.
I completely agree that Spanish speakers would be more likely to learn English if we didn't cater to them so much and have everything in Spanish for them. I can't tell you how many times I have been in the check-out line at the grocery store and heard a Spanish speaker cuss out and insult the cashier (in Spanish) because the Spanish speaker asks/tells the cashier something in Spanish and the cashier does not understand. I do not expect any foreigner to come to this country and immediately speak English. But they cannot expect everything to be in their language either just as I wouldn't expect everything to be in English when I visit their country. And if I am going to live there, I sure would "go to the trouble" to learn the language. As long as we have everything in Spanish for them, there will be no incentive to learn English.
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