Another one of S12’s classic postings: obviously you have not seen the overcrowding of public schools in many states, hospitals suffering huge financial losses because irresponsible dirtbag illegals run up huge bills and never pay..and wages in many industries (construction comes to mind) are depressed to pre 1980 levels because illegals work for $5 a day....that is why we don't want illegals here....they do not make the US a success because these jagoffs pick lettuce...
come on! come on! you and your lieutenants have already made your point (many times) but it's high time for you to confront the question and offer a valid/acceptable answer.
"if illegal aliens are so unwelcome, why are they here, staying here, and increasing in number by the day."
i'll do it for you, i know you so well by now: a) they are stupid b) they are irresponsible c) they have no respect for laws/rules d) they are d i r b a g s / d o u c e b a g s e) they marry village idiots f) they drain resources g) they burden taxpayers h) they commit crimes i) they drive unlicensed/uninsured j) they depress wages k) they are supported by morons l) they are simply s u c k s m) etc., etc., etc., and n) all of the above
ok, ok, ok, but the last time i checked, there are more comings than there are goings. i don't have solid figures but i know i'm right.
then you will turn my attention back to (a) to (n) above. but.... my/our question is still dodged.
ok, i'll help you further. companies that harbor/abet illegal immigration (workers/aliens) are having their days in court, being convicted, fined, incarcerated, etc. raids are staged at meatpackers (on identity theft grounds) and workers are detained/removed, those who are removed are back into their trailer abodes after two weeks on the average. national guards are deployed to assist border enforcement, real-time cameras are installed.
the legislature has held off on the extension of section 245i coverage up to 2003 due to 9/11. that's understandable. the dream act and agjobs are still languishing in isolation. then came the real i.d. act and secure fence act, that drew negative responses this early esp from affected states' officials, budgetary and logistical concerns are foremost among many.
then you will turn my attention back to (a) to (n) above again and again and again and again. but.... my/our question is still dodged and deflected.
please, we have listened to you long enough, it's time for you to listen to us this time.
Originally posted by Someone12: illegal aliens are parasites; they don't even come close to paying their way with whatever paltry sales taxes they might pay...they send $30B back to their own countries to buy booze and cigarettes, not to invest in their own businesses. Deport them all --and take tinydiktimmy with them.
Oh! The illegal alien is here to give you your test again, just a little "pop" quiz, to freshen your memory since you seem to have forgotten.
illegal alien behind you - not a ghost. BOHICA Bend over, touch toes, spell run 3X. (Sorry you failed again.) , Someone12
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I worked for DHR for many years and saw firsthand the masses of illegals applying for food stamps, medicaid and WIC. The minute they came and had a baby on our soil, they come in and apply. They would even come in not knowing a word of English with Spanish translators all paid for by the US taxpayers. And that doesn't even include the schools which are overcrowded with anchor babies and illegals and the free lunch program which consists mainly of illegals and anchor babies. saw up close and personal how they would proudly acknowledge that they knew the minute they became pregnant with an anchor baby that it would be paid for (including the delivery and all prenatal care) by medicaid (US taxpayers)and they would start asking what other programs they will qualify for once the baby is born.
Originally posted by desertrose2002: I worked for DHR for many years and saw firsthand the masses of illegals applying for food stamps, medicaid and WIC. The minute they came and had a baby on our soil, they come in and apply. They would even come in not knowing a word of English with Spanish translators all paid for by the US taxpayers. And that doesn't even include the schools which are overcrowded with anchor babies and illegals and the free lunch program which consists mainly of illegals and anchor babies. saw up close and personal how they would proudly acknowledge that they knew the minute they became pregnant with an anchor baby that it would be paid for (including the delivery and all prenatal care) by medicaid (US taxpayers)and they would start asking what other programs they will qualify for once the baby is born.
OK, WIC is not social service and has nothing to do with the taxpayer, as WIC is funded by industrial surplus actually preventing these goods from being flushed down the toilet or pored down the garbage shoot. So that narrows it down to food stamps and Medicaid.
I don’t know much of anything about these programs, except for that it is very difficult to get into any of them and that the proceeds, are kept so low that I don’t even want to think about them. I personally am against social services, if the person applying for any of them doesn’t show definite need for them. I agree it’s a touchy situation, but also think that the laws here are not structured smart enough – representing way too many loopholes for USCs, legal and illegal alike.
Not too long ago, a young American woman, asking me for 5 dollars, followed me into my driveway. She told me that she is on welfare and only recently moved into the neighborhood and that she has two children. She needed to fill a prescription for one of these children and the pharmacy is asking for a 5 Dollar co-payment that she doesn’t have at this time, because her welfare check hasn’t come through just yet. She went on about her father not being reachable to give her the 5 Dollars and she would pay me back once she made contact with him. Mind you, I have never seen that woman before.
I glanced at her, she looked well groomed and all and had no physical or for me identifiable mental handicap. So to make a long story short, I refused to give her the 5 Dollars and told her she shouldn’t even be on welfare. End of story!
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Originally posted by desertrose2002: I worked for DHR for many years and saw firsthand the masses of illegals applying for food stamps, medicaid and WIC. The minute they came and had a baby on our soil, they come in and apply. They would even come in not knowing a word of English with Spanish translators all paid for by the US taxpayers. And that doesn't even include the schools which are overcrowded with anchor babies and illegals and the free lunch program which consists mainly of illegals and anchor babies. saw up close and personal how they would proudly acknowledge that they knew the minute they became pregnant with an anchor baby that it would be paid for (including the delivery and all prenatal care) by medicaid (US taxpayers)and they would start asking what other programs they will qualify for once the baby is born.
Just because somebody applies for benefits doesn't mean that they will receive it. Here it states clearly that illegal immigrants are NOT eligible for food stamps or medicaid.
I don't say that there are nor illegal immigrants who cheat the system, but all I always see when I have got to go to our lokal office , are USC. They park their nice trucks in front of the office, walk in with the newest cell phone and wear a Ralph Laureen jacket. Or look at my worthless sister in-law who doesn't want to take the full-time job ( wich pays 12 dollars an hour) because she would loose her food- stamps.
Illegal immigrants are eligible for emergency medicaid, but has anyone here ever had to use it? A few years back, my son( a USC born overseas) and I were visitors here, and due to his medical condition we applied for emergeny medicaid ( he was not eligible for regular medicaid since we were living overseas during that time). Well, he fell in a status epilepticus and we had to bring him to the local hospital. They tried to stop his seizures but couldn't do it, so they had to life- line him up to the university hospital where he was for 5 days in the ICU. Medicaid up to date denies to pay since he didn't die ( well he would have if they hadn't transported him up there) So just because illegals are covered under that benefit doesn't mean that the tax- dollars are paid out for them.
Like Kollerkrot said, I would worry more about those lazy people who refuse to go to work so they can stay on welfare, because this is were your taxes go.
Kollerkrot, you are wrong, WIC IS a social service. WIC is a Federal grant program for which Congress authorizes a specific amount of funds each year for the program. I have no idea where you came up with "OK, WIC is not social service and has nothing to do with the taxpayer, as WIC is funded by industrial surplus actually preventing these goods from being flushed down the toilet or pored down the garbage shoot" People on WIC are given vouchers and use them at the grocery store and get their food with them. The same food that you and I pay for. I do believe after working for DHR I know what I'm talking about. Perhaps you should do a little research yourself.
Vegado, Perhaps you did not carefully read my previous post. I said after the illegals have a baby on US soil they come and apply for benefits. Having an anchor baby, they are able to apply for all kinds of social services (the baby is automatically a citizen, thus making them eligible) and YES they get them. They don't even have to report their full salaries (which US citizens do)that they make by working illegaly because most work off the books and pay no taxes. How fair is that? They also know the more kids they have, the higher the benefits. And by the way, illegals come in with fraudulant docs all the time and try to get services for themselves. I have no problem with LEGAL taxpayers who need social services getting them. That is what it is for. But when illegals who are already breaking our laws by being here in the first place get them, that is not fair to those of us who pay taxes...they DO come for the express reason of taking advantage of our social services. And by the way, do you know how many ER's have shut down because illegals use our emergency rooms for all their medical needs because they know they can't be turned away. While legal citizens have to pay for our visits and many of us can't even afford to go to the ER, they get it for free. No wonder they are pouring in by the millions!
Originally posted by desertrose2002: Kollerkrot, you are wrong, WIC IS a social service. WIC is a Federal grant program for which Congress authorizes a specific amount of funds each year for the program. I have no idea where you came up with "OK, WIC is not social service and has nothing to do with the taxpayer, as WIC is funded by industrial surplus actually preventing these goods from being flushed down the toilet or pored down the garbage shoot" People on WIC are given vouchers and use them at the grocery store and get their food with them. The same food that you and I pay for. I do believe after working for DHR I know what I'm talking about. Perhaps you should do a little research yourself.
I did do my research. I don't just make empty remarks about that. It is controlled by congress, because they do set aside the amount to be used for it. It than goes throug the USDA and the Farmers Market Association..something or rather (forgot the name). It is part of government controlling the market price. It's complicated, but I know for sure, the funds are not taken out of taxpayers contribution.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Originally posted by desertrose2002: Vegado, Perhaps you did not carefully read my previous post. I said after the illegals have a baby on US soil they come and apply for benefits. Having an anchor baby, they are able to apply for all kinds of social services (the baby is automatically a citizen, thus making them eligible) and YES they get them. They don't even have to report their full salaries (which US citizens do)that they make by working illegaly because most work off the books and pay no taxes. How fair is that? They also know the more kids they have, the higher the benefits. And by the way, illegals come in with fraudulant docs all the time and try to get services for themselves. I have no problem with LEGAL taxpayers who need social services getting them. That is what it is for. But when illegals who are already breaking our laws by being here in the first place get them, that is not fair to those of us who pay taxes...they DO come for the express reason of taking advantage of our social services. And by the way, do you know how many ER's have shut down because illegals use our emergency rooms for all their medical needs because they know they can't be turned away. While legal citizens have to pay for our visits and many of us can't even afford to go to the ER, they get it for free. No wonder they are pouring in by the millions!
Desertrose, I did read your post.
I am a illegal immigrant and have 2 of those who you call it " anchor babies" Ok I didn't sneak across any boarder and my circumstances are a little bit different, but nevertheless I am here without a status and both of my boys are USC. I had a very hard time when my husband abandoned us and left us without a penny. I did not get any welfare due to my status. I did not get any medical assistance. If I got sick I had to pay the doctor up front like anybody else.
I understand your point that illegal immigrants may end up in the ER since the ER can not refuse anybody. Our local ER is always crowded but, if they are legal or not I don't know since illegals around here usually don't wear tags saying that they are illegal. But I do know that time my husband cancelled the insurance on the boys and I had to bring my older one to the ER I always received bills for the services provided and I had to pay them like everybody else. Maybe I am even more careful paying all my bills since my status is not clear, but maybe that is just the German in me.
So what you are saying is that you would rather have the gov. spend your taxes on my sister in- law ( reminder: she does not want to go to work, so she can keep her welfare) instead of for example me, who is without a status because my husband is an a** ?
Where I am from we have a welfare system most countries can just dream about. We have so many leagl and illegal immigrants swamping our country you can not imagine. But you know what, I never minded paying taxes for people who needed welfare to get over their hard time, people who temp. use the system to help themselfs( that word looks funny I think I spelled that wrong)and I did not care if they were my own people or not. But I always disliked people who used our welfare because they were lazy, and I did not care if they were my own people or not. I am not a hippocrate, if I agree that somebody needs assistance than I don't care where that person came from. And btw I am from a country where you pay between 40 and 52 % income taxes, so I do care what the gov. does with half of my money!
Vegado, your husband still has the responsibility to support his children, whether you are legal or not. He should be paying child support (alimony if you were not working during the marriage) and paying health insurance premiums for his sons. Don't let him get away with abandonment! Go after his a$$ - get yourself a good attorney with flexible payment terms. Did he ever petition for you? If so, did he withdraw it?
I did do my research. I don't just make empty remarks about that. It is controlled by congress, because they do set aside the amount to be used for it. It than goes throug the USDA and the Farmers Market Association..something or rather (forgot the name). It is part of government controlling the market price. It's complicated, but I know for sure, the funds are not taken out of taxpayers contribution.
And where do you think the money congress sets aside for the program comes from? U.S. taxpayers of course!
Hi desertrose2002, I thought the same thing and then went digging for more information. The funding comes solely from the Department of Agriculture - by grants. I couldn't find anywhere that it said any tax dollars were used for this. If you determine otherwise, please let me know.
Originally posted by ProudUSC: Vegado, your husband still has the responsibility to support his children, whether you are legal or not. He should be paying child support (alimony if you were not working during the marriage) and paying health insurance premiums for his sons. Don't let him get away with abandonment! Go after his a$$ - get yourself a good attorney with flexible payment terms. Did he ever petition for you? If so, did he withdraw it?
Proud USC, I have a court order stating he has to pay and keep the insurance on us ( well the order says also he has got to file my paperwork) BUT, he is a high ranked soldier currently deployed so nothing can be done. Even when he is not deployed the army is not really helpful since he has so many yrs in and such a nice rank.
He did file my papers 2004, we sent it in and waited. 2005 we found out the INS supposely send my papers back to us but we never received them. Reading here on the board I see that happens quite often. Well he decided to abandon us in 2005 and is refusing so file any papers ( even if the court tells him different) If you read my other postings you know my story. Now after talking to our senator I know I can file the petition for a battered/ abused spouse, what I am doing right now.
But that is exactly where the " problem" is. I think that there are quite a few illegal women here, were the husband don't file the paperwork or file it knowingly wrong so they will always have power over these women. I was scared like hell the last few yrs; everytime I try to get my and my kids rights I heard from him " If you do that I will deport you and the kids stay here" So what do you do? You just hold still try not to get any attention and pray that if he goes nuts you can at least take the kids.
I have met a lot of wounderful people here, people who helped me without even knowing us during that difficult time.
What makes the United States of America a great nation is not that they are a super- power ( because they are not the only one anymore), it is not the welfare sytem ( I have seen better- it is not worth it to sneak across a boarder for that) - it is the people themselfes ( most of them- some weired one are out there too) who make this country good. I have seen a lot of this world, but how most Americans reach out to help others ( the poor people next door, the stangers theiy have heard about from friends, or the local homeless shelter)- is unique. You won't find that anywhere else. This is what makes the US great in my eyes, and no illegal immigrant can take that away from a true American.
Originally posted by ProudUSC: Hi desertrose2002, I thought the same thing and then went digging for more information. The funding comes solely from the Department of Agriculture - by grants. I couldn't find anywhere that it said any tax dollars were used for this. If you determine otherwise, please let me know.
Not exactly. The funding comes from the federal government to the state level in the form of a grant. The individual states then have contracts with the USDA and Farmers Market. The point being, it is all funded from our tax dollars. WIC also provides free check-ups and vaccines, which are also funded with our tax dollars.
I guess I'll need to do more research then. I didn't know someone's rank in the military overruled their obligation delegated by a court order. You sound like a sincere person and someone who loves this country. I wish you the best in collecting what is owed from your deadbeat husband and getting through the legalization process.
My husband was in the US Army, and there is no way your husband can get away with that. He can be dishonorably discharged for not paying for his kids and keeping insurance on them and not following a court order etc. They WILL garnish his wages. Have you called the JAG office or went to the AER (Army Emergency Relief) office? I know for a fact if you go there and tell them what is going on, they WILL see to it he does what he is supposed to. The Army takes this kind of thing very seriously and he can be court marshalled for this.
My husband was in the US Army, and there is no way your husband can get away with that. He can be dishonorably discharged for not paying for his kids and keeping insurance on them and not following a court order etc. They WILL garnish his wages. Have you called the JAG office or went to the AER (Army Emergency Relief) office? I know for a fact if you go there and tell them what is going on, they WILL see to it he does what he is supposed to. The Army takes this kind of thing very seriously and he can be court marshalled for this.
I wish you and your kids all the best.
Desertrose, Oh I now that he won't get away with that in the long term, but this didn't help me during the time everything happend. General Umbarger knows me very well, and I also talked every week with my husbands superior, but until recently I was to afraid to really do something since he always threatend me.
Since your husband was in the US Army as well you may understand following examples, where his years of duty and his rank obviously take a
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