Did you ever look into why the terrorists did what they did and what it was that pissed them off so dramatically? Did you ever once turn around and ask, what did I(we) do wrong?
OK, here I see I have to do a little more explaining for you to see where I am coming from. In-depth, I was refering to U.S. Foreign Policy, which is frowned upon all over the world.
Still, that doesn't justify what the terrorists did. And the way you say it, still sounds like you are saying we deserved it. I don't know, maybe you didn't mean it that way, however I still don't see any other way you could have meant it.
Originally posted by Fightforwhatyoubelievein: ok im not trying to piss anyone off but i was just at social services yesterday with a friend and you CAN'T file for wic, medicaid, food stamps, tanf unless you have a valid ss number it does not matter if your child was born here or not so please someone tell me why a lot of people keep saying illegal people get all this stuff IT IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!! i understand that everyone one is upset about 9'11 i am too i had family in the pentagon butttt i dont blame all people for the hate of some if they would give the illegal aliens a chance to prove who they are and prove that they are not scum nor criminals which that was what the rally was all about they want a chance to have a better life let them pay fines and back taxes they would be glad to. if everybody cared this world would be a lot better place to live everyone has a right to thier thoughts and feelings and this is mine its hard to live everyday worrying if my husband will come home or not because he is illegal and he takes care of me. we have looked into getting him papers but he has to go back to his country for 8 months to a year to wait for permission to come back and what should i do during this time live off of welfare no thanks my being sick doesn't allow me to work and getting disability is a hassle that for the little bit of money is not worth it so that is my thoughts on this subject
Whoa, slow down...You are WRONG. First of all, I am the one working for social services you are referring to. And of course you need a Social Security number to apply for benefits, which all children born in the U.S. can easily get regardless if their parents are illegal or not. If your friend does not have a SS# for his/her children and this is causing him/her to be denied and the children were born in the U.S., then tell him to get them one!
you CAN'T file for wic, medicaid, food stamps, tanf unless you have a valid ss number it does not matter if your child was born here or not so please someone tell me why a lot of people keep saying illegal people get all this stuff IT IS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lady, you are WRONG WRONG on this one! If children of illegals are born here, they can and do get social security numbers, even if their parents are illegal. They then apply for benefits. It's the social security number that is the reason your friend was denied. Please stop rambling and get your facts straight.
The rally you are referring to was because the illegals were upset about the fact that the US wanted to start enforcing the immigration laws and they were demanding "a path to citizenship"---as per the organizers of the rally.
You said he would have to go back to his country for months to a year to come back legally. So he actually has a means to become legal and yet chooses not to. Many of the immigrants who waited years, to come here legally had to make a lot of sacrafices (including my husband). But they had enough respect for the law and this country to do it.
Whoa, slow down...You are WRONG. First of all, I am the one working for social services you are referring to. And of course you need a Social Security number to apply for benefits, which all children born in the U.S. can easily get regardless if their parents are illegal or not. If your friend does not have a SS# for his/her children and this is causing him/her to be denied and the children were born in the U.S., then tell him to get them one!
That's funny! First you are all upset that they do file for social services, and now you are refering them.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Originally posted by Kollerkrot: [That's funny! First you are all upset that they do file for social services, and now you are refering them.
I want to prove to this lady that she is wrong. Also, if someone who needs social services and is entitled under law to receive them, then I am obligated to help them --whether I personally agree or not.
ok you work for social services here in virginia my friends kids do hav e socials they told her because she does not have one that she can no longer apply without a valid ss number for herself the kids are legal so maybe you should get your facts straight i know what they said i was standing right there with her and as for the rally were you present for that did you take place in it i imagine not ok so like i said everyone has a right to thier thoughts and i didn't ask to get bashed by you and im not mouthing off simply stating thoughts which last time i knew thats what this board is for
Still, that doesn't justify what the terrorists did. And the way you say it, still sounds like you are saying we deserved it. I don't know, maybe you didn't mean it that way, however I still don't see any other way you could have meant it.
Of course not, nothing will ever justify what they did. However, in their mind, they have done it and will do it again, if the U.S. continues. So, that would mean someone's gonna have to give. I consider myself intelligent, and the people of my country would always be more important than the people of other countries, I would be the intelligent one to put a stop to it.
Ghandi once said: "An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"! I consider these extremely wise words.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Well first I would like to thank you ladies that this is a decent discussion even if we have different opinions!
Kollerkrot, thank you for the information with the quotes. Is is the same way if I would like to quote from two different post?
Fightforwhatyoubelievein ( wow what a long name)how I understand that whole illegal immigrant problem you husband does do something wrong by beeing an illegal immigrant working here. These two things don't go together. You said that you husband is supporting you, so that implicates that he is working, but being an illegal immigrant he doesn't have work permission. Correct? It seems like that there is also a difference if somebody came here knowing that they would not have the proper papers available or if they are stuck in situations where it was not predictable that they didn't get any papers. In which category does your husband belong?
Don't get me wrong, I understand that you want to be ith your husband, but I have a question. What would you have done if you wouldn't be married? I mean it sounds like you are sick, but you would have been sick even if you didn't marry him, or?
Also, that "hassle" with disability is not a hassle at all. My son receives SSI and I just had to send the papers they requested ( yes it was a bunch but usually you should have all those papers in you posession anyway) and all together it took maybe 2 weeks to get it taken care of. so I don't think it counts when you say, I don't apply for disability because it is so much paperwork.
Oh and would you mind putting some periods or commas or something in your postings? English is not my first language and I have real difficulties reading your post, since I don't know where on sentence ends and the other one starts. Thank you!
As much as I hope and pray these people get out there well, I personally hope the Germans don't give in and don't withdraw. What's you opinion about it?
Originally posted by Fightforwhatyoubelievein: ok you work for social services here in virginia my friends kids do hav e socials they told her because she does not have one that she can no longer apply without a valid ss number for herself the kids are legal so maybe you should get your facts straight i know what they said i was standing right there with her and as for the rally were you present for that did you take place in it i imagine not ok so like i said everyone has a right to thier thoughts and i didn't ask to get bashed by you and im not mouthing off simply stating thoughts which last time i knew thats what this board is for
First of all, you are not explaining the situation very well at all. You are running your sentences together and no one can tell what in the world you are trying to say.
she can no longer apply without a valid ss number for herself the kids are legal
Of course she can't appy for herself if she is illegal-only her kids (if this is what you are saying, which it is very hard to tell).
and as for the rally were you present for that did you take place in it i imagine not ok
Why would I have to have been there to know what the purpose of the rally was? Of course they stated to the media and general public why they were protesting, or the protest would have been for nothing! Why would someone protest and not say why? Does that make sense?
everyone has a right to thier thoughts
Yes they do, and you have no problem expressing them....
didn't ask to get bashed by you
And just how did I bash you? By telling you facts and trying to help your friend? Whatever...........
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Did you ever look into why the terrorists did what they did and what it was that pissed them off so dramatically? Did you ever once turn around and ask, what did I(we) do wrong?
OK, here I see I have to do a little more explaining for you to see where I am coming from. In-depth, I was refering to U.S. Foreign Policy, which is frowned upon all over the world.
Still, that doesn't justify what the terrorists did. And the way you say it, still sounds like you are saying we deserved it. I don't know, maybe you didn't mean it that way, however I still don't see any other way you could have meant it.
Thank you, desertrose2002, for your words to Koller when she implied we invited what happened to us on 9/11. I am so glad I wasn't around today and you put her in her place. I don't even have words to describe (none that I can't use here, anyway) how offended I was when I read her post.
Originally posted by Vegado: Thank you Kollerkrot,
As much as I hope and pray these people get out there well, I personally hope the Germans don't give in and don't withdraw. What's you opinion about it?
I don't think they can withdraw. If they would, they would set precedence for the militants to control the war. That's a bad situation!
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Still, that doesn't justify what the terrorists did. And the way you say it, still sounds like you are saying we deserved it. I don't know, maybe you didn't mean it that way, however I still don't see any other way you could have meant it.
Of course not, nothing will ever justify what they did. However, in their mind, they have done it and will do it again, if the U.S. continues. So, that would mean someone's gonna have to give. I consider myself intelligent, and the people of my country would always be more important than the people of other countries, I would be the intelligent one to put a stop to it. Ok, so I have to ask; what do you mean by this?
Ghandi once said: "An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"! I consider these extremely wise words.
Originally posted by Vegado: Thank you Kollerkrot,
As much as I hope and pray these people get out there well, I personally hope the Germans don't give in and don't withdraw. What's you opinion about it?
I don't think they can withdraw. If they would, they would set precedence for the militants to control the war.
I agree! The good thing is that Frau Merkel is Kanzlerin. With her and the CDU/CSU Germany can show that it has a back bone! Let's hope for the best and that Germany shows what it is made of
Still, that doesn't justify what the terrorists did. And the way you say it, still sounds like you are saying we deserved it. I don't know, maybe you didn't mean it that way, however I still don't see any other way you could have meant it.
Of course not, nothing will ever justify what they did. However, in their mind, they have done it and will do it again, if the U.S. continues. So, that would mean someone's gonna have to give. I consider myself intelligent, and the people of my country would always be more important than the people of other countries, I would be the intelligent one to put a stop to it. Ok, so I have to ask; what do you mean by this?
Ok, I get it. Yes that is what should have happened, unfortunately this administration doen't seem to put the safety of it's people first or be capable of making wise decisions.
Ghandi once said: "An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"! I consider these extremely wise words.
I consider myself intelligent, and the people of my country would always be more important than the people of other countries, I would be the intelligent one to put a stop to it.
Ok, that means, that I (if I were leader) I would not engage in other wars, to support other countries, if my own people would be at stake.
A German proverb: ....the inteligent one is the one that gives in!
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
I consider myself intelligent, and the people of my country would always be more important than the people of other countries, I would be the intelligent one to put a stop to it.
Ok, that means, that I (if I were leader) I would not engage in other wars, to support other countries, if my own people would be at stake.
A German proverb: ....the inteligent one is the one that gives in!
Ok, I get it. Yes that is what should have happened, unfortunately this administration doen't seem to put the safety of it's people first or be capable of making wise decisions.
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