I am not sure if you saw that part of my posting since it did't appear in blue. Obviously my nice education doesn't help me any if I don't learn how to quote properly soon
No you never said anything about their character, and I didn't say you did. I said that some people make it sound that way. If you read though some postings you find all the things some people call illegals ( scum, douche, etc) Again I did not say you did it I said some people. Actually I think you are one of the few peolple here who are capabl to have a difference in opinion without throwing ugly words around
I don't condone name calling of any kind,; illegals are humans like anyone else (although I do not agree with what they are doing).
Ok so we do agree that the american government doesn't do it's job like it should. So at the end who is to be blamed for that there are so many illegal immigrants here. The illegals for trying to come here or the US government for not doing the job they get paid for and not protecting the future of this country?
Of course I blame the government for caring more about corporations than the future of this country. At the same time the illegals who come here and use fake documents and steal our identities such as social security numbers are criminals in my book. I can't tell you how many times I have caught them doing this to receive benefits when their children and they themselves are illegal.
Originally posted by Kollerkrot: Words like: hey Koller - stop bad mouthing my country - does antagonize me and seems to me that you are looking for a confrontation. I was here at 9/11, I watched it with a group of people on TV just like the millions of others around the world and I can proudly say, I gave more than c.r.a.p - in fact, that morning I was very concerned for America, mine and for the life of my children. I specifically remember someone walking past me, saying: "someone's going to pay for this"!
Can you blame people for feeling that way after something so terrible happens? It is a normal human reaction to such a horrifying act.
So it was, that someone had to pay of it and the lynch-parties started to rollout in their quest to find the perpetrators, blinded by vindictiveness nonetheless and thereby not caring whom to get - but just out to get someone. The war in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq, the Real-ID act, although then everyone knew that the majority of the hijackers were Saudis, but President Bush somehow managed to blame Saddam Hussein. Did you watch Michael Moore's documentary film Fahrenheit 9/11? And in the course of all of this, the open borders became one of the issues of the payback. I can remember, the matter of illegal immigration, the crowdedness of the schools was up until 9/11, a moderate issue that was to be dealt with early during President Bush's term.
So, you blame the total U.S. population for the actions of our government? Wow, you really are an open-minded person aren't you? And of course our open borders became a huge issue; that is to be expected. Do you know how many times evidence has been found that terrorists have tried and even succeeded in crossing the southern border? It's a matter of security. I would think with yourself as well as your children living here, if you don't care about the safety of the American people, you would at least care about the safety of yourself and your children.
After 9/11, I noticed a newfound "fascism" brewing in America that I have never seen before. I remember one incident in the subway; when an orthodox Muslim man with his child in a stroller, minding his own business, probably just getting home from work like the rest of the people on the train was insulted by a man shouting bad things. I felt really bad that day and wondered how mayy incidences of such nature are carried out all over the country right this moment? Well, several month later my prediction came true in that it had even gotten so bad, that the illegal felt compelled to defend by going into the streets to demonstrate that they are not the terrorists and to let the American People know that their intentions are good and of none terrorist endeavor.
If you are referring to the illegals protesting in the streets (a day without an immigrant), they were not protesting to say they are not terrorists; they were protesting (while many were carrying Mexican flags) to demand American citizenship and protest our intention to actually start enforcing our immigration laws. Funny how you twist things around to suit your own agenda....
I am an open-minded individual, and look at all sides of things. I don't condone terrorism or the illegal problem in America and I hope that in due time the government will deal with it in an orderly fashion. What I can't stand is that many ordinary citizens, have taken on this vigilanty view and go around and blame and thereby comletely forgetting to blame themselves and that there have been pre-cursors to all this mess
And just what are these " pre-cursors to all this mess"? So you are saying we deserved what happened on 9/11? You say you are open-minded, but what you really are being is judgmental and self-righteous.
Did you ever look into why the terrorists did what they did and what it was that pissed them off so dramatically? Did you ever once turn around and ask, what did I(we) do wrong?
So what you are saying is all those innocent men, woman and children that were killed on 9/11 deserved what happened because we "did something to piss off the terrorists"? You are one sick person and I just hope as another poster said earlier that you are not raising your children to be American haters like yourself. You are one illegal who do not deserve to be here! I love it when an illegal comes into our country and is living here illegally and then has the audacity to insult the country and people of the country that they are living in illegally...sick sick sick....
If you are referring to the illegals protesting in the streets (a day without an immigrant), they were not protesting to say they are not terrorists; they were protesting (while many were carrying Mexican flags) to demand American citizenship and protest our intention to actually start enforcing our immigration laws. Funny how you twist things around to suit your own agenda....
You conveniently did not take note of the issue with the Muslim man on the train.
I remember many of the Mexicans, walking with signs in their hands stating: "We are no terrorists"! Causing me to believe that they must have had some type of run-in with someone. Why else would they say that?
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Originally posted by Kollerkrot: Where did I say that anyone deserved anything? I can't understand that anything I said is anti-American.
I am against all kinds of violence!!
thereby comletely forgetting to blame themselves and that there have been pre-cursors to all this mess
Did you ever look into why the terrorists did what they did and what it was that pissed them off so dramatically? Did you ever once turn around and ask, what did I(we) do wrong?
BTW, your whole post was biased and many of your facts WRONG, i.e. illegal protest, "And in the course of all of this, the open borders became one of the issues of the payback. I can remember, the matter of illegal immigration, the crowdedness of the schools was up until 9/11, a moderate issue that was to be dealt with early during President Bush's term."
NOT TRUE, it was never dealt with at all, hence the reason the problem is so bad in the first place.
You sure have a lot of criticism and out-right prejudges toward the people and country you chose to stay in and raise your children in...
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And just what are these " pre-cursors to all this mess"? So you are saying we deserved what happened on 9/11? You say you are open-minded, but what you really are being is judgmental and self-righteous.
No, you are implying that I said "you deserved it", I did not say that and I would never say that.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Originally posted by Kollerkrot: And just what are these " pre-cursors to all this mess"? So you are saying we deserved what happened on 9/11? You say you are open-minded, but what you really are being is judgmental and self-righteous.
No, you are implying that I said "you deserved it", I did not say that and I would never say that.
So, after terrorists come into our country, kill thousands of innocent men, woman and children..and we are supposed to blame ourselves and say "what did WE do wrong to piss them off?" And BTW, the fact that we are a Christian country and not Muslim (infindels) is enough to piss them off...And yes, your post did imply that it was because of something we did that caused them to kill all these innocent people. God forbid, what if it was one of your loved ones that was in that building or one of your children in that day care center inside? Maybe you would feel differently about it then...
thereby comletely forgetting to blame themselves and that there have been pre-cursors to all this mess
Did you ever look into why the terrorists did what they did and what it was that pissed them off so dramatically? Did you ever once turn around and ask, what did I(we) do wrong?
Here I am refering to the documents that were in the White House (known to President Bush and the FBI) that they where planning the strike. Do you ever listen to CNN, maybe you should, because they are talking about this all the time.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Did you ever look into why the terrorists did what they did and what it was that pissed them off so dramatically? Did you ever once turn around and ask, what did I(we) do wrong?
OK, here I see I have to do a little more explaining for you to see where I am coming from. In-depth, I was refering to U.S. Foreign Policy, which is frowned upon all over the world.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
I vehemently deny that I am anti-American and I have tons of friends that can vouch for that. I see things for what they are and I do speak out about them.
I am listening to CNN sometimes all they long and that is part of what feeds my idealism.
As far as my children, I am proud to have raised American children that don't walk around with blinders on.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
Would somebody please explain to me how I quote just one or two sentences from a post and how I can quote parts of different postings?
Kollerkrot,
you say
thereby comletely forgetting to blame themselves and that there have been pre-cursors to all this mess Did you ever look into why the terrorists did what they did and what it was that pissed them off so dramatically? Did you ever once turn around and ask, what did I(we) do wrong?
Then you explain it further by saying you refer to documents in the White House and something about a strike ( what strike?) Then you explain it by saying it has to do with the US foreign policy?
Hae? I don't understand one word. Would you please take some of you time and explain it again?
I don't think that ANYBODY has the right to run three airplanes in a building, place a bomb in a train or other things. No matter how much you dislike what a governemt does or doesn't do, there is NO excuse for that. No matter what I do no religion in this world has the right to punish a whole country ( even more than one country because other nationalities where in those airplanes and buildings too) for that. So I don't think anybody needs to look back in this case to see what hey could have done wrong.
Kollerkrot, I am usually big on looking for my faults first, but in this case I don't see why anybody should do that.
Then you explain it further by saying you refer to documents in the White House and something about a strike ( what strike?) Then you explain it by saying it has to do with the US foreign policy?
Well, there were documents pointing to the extremists view, (from research done by either the CIA or the FBI) that were known to President Bush even before he went to Florida, the morning of 9/11. That's what I meant by pre-cursors.
"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
So, after terrorists come into our country, kill thousands of innocent men, woman and children..and we are supposed to blame ourselves and say "what did WE do wrong to piss them off?" And BTW, the fact that we are a Christian country and not Muslim (infindels) is enough to piss them off...And yes, your post did imply that it was because of something we did that caused them to kill all these innocent people. God forbid, what if it was one of your loved ones that was in that building or one of your children in that day care center inside? Maybe you would feel differently about it then...
I cannot see where I implied that they (Extremists) were right in doing what they did.
But I also didn't mean to offend anyone and so I offer my apology!!
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"...even God fights stupidity to no avail"! - Friedrich Schiller
If you are referring to the illegals protesting in the streets (a day without an immigrant), they were not protesting to say they are not terrorists; they were protesting (while many were carrying Mexican flags) to demand American citizenship and protest our intention to actually start enforcing our immigration laws. Funny how you twist things around to suit your own agenda....
You conveniently did not take note of the issue with the Muslim man on the train.
Ok, so someone made some rude comments to a Muslim on the train (you did not say if they were American or not-if so, how can you be sure?). Anyway, yes, this was wrong, (maybe they lost a loved one in the terrorist attack?) so does that mean ALL Americans are like that?
I remember many of the Mexicans, walking with signs in their hands stating: "We are no terrorists"! Causing me to believe that they must have had some type of run-in with someone. Why else would they say that?
So a few of them had signs saying they are not terrorists....their agenda was to demand amnesty and citizenship. They were trying to justify breaking our immigration laws by saying they aren't in the same catagory as terrorists.
Originally posted by Kollerkrot: thereby comletely forgetting to blame themselves and that there have been pre-cursors to all this mess
Did you ever look into why the terrorists did what they did and what it was that pissed them off so dramatically? Did you ever once turn around and ask, what did I(we) do wrong?
And just what do you mean in the above sentence? This has nothing to do with the documents, but has everything to do with you blaming the U.S. for the attacks--you are directly saying we did something to piss them off and should ask ourselves what it was. You can try to justify this comment all you want, but that is what you yourself wrote.
Here I am refering to the documents that were in the White House (known to President Bush and the FBI) that they where planning the strike. Do you ever listen to CNN, maybe you should, because they are talking about this all the time.
As a matter of fact, I watch CNN every morning and am quite up on current events. Perhaps you should explain yourself better when you post-you just assume everyone will know what you are referring to, in fact I asked you what the pre-cursors were earlier and you never responded.
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