If you want a quick answer to why so many Americans are sick of illegal immigration, just scroll down your own list here. Count how many people have broken the law already. All we get from Mexico is baby machines, gang bangers, criminals, drunks, and people too stupid to learn our language. Go too any emergency room in CA. and you will find it over flowing with all of the above. And even though you will deny it with out looking up the TRUE facts, you are draining our system dry. Stay home. Or come legally and obey our laws. Then you will be welcome. Otherwise we don't want you. Does the INS ever visit this board? They could get a look at how these people try and get around our laws.

So what do yo propose?

We need to more strictly enforce our deportation laws. There's nothing "insensitive" about expecting immigrants to immigrate LEGALLY. Every country in the world has immigration laws and, if you want to go somewhere else as an illegal alien, you'd be GONE in a New York minute!

This citizens of this country have a RIGHT to know who is here, how they came, their background, and to have their fingerprints. We don't need people who sneak across the border, change their names, and use false IDs. FRAUD IS A CRIME HERE AS WELL AS IMMIGRATING ILLEGALLY. So is driving with no license, filing no tax returns, and a score of other laws that far too many illegal aliens IGNORE.

To them and their kind we should have sympathy! I think NOT

I'm a US citizen and my country is going to the dogs because of ILLEGAL ALIENS. Fortunately, 86% of Americans want to see this country sovereign, respected, preserved, and protected and they agree with ME, not you.

If not illegal aliens:
- Who would clean your supermarkets between 00:00 and 8:00 AM?
- who would demolish your old houses?
- who would do asbestos work?
- who would do construction work for 6$/hour or babysitting your children or senior citizens for 7$/hour 24hour non-stop?
- who would work on farms for 5$/hour to deliver to your house cheap vegetables or fruits?
- who would work in meat factories to deliver to your table chicken that costs 59C/pound?

Who............. only cheap illegal immigrants!

You are the ones who are destroying our country. We Americans are lazy that is why the immigrants are here. If we did not have immigrants I would not have people working with me. Check how many of us are living in Trailer Park and on welfare.
We have to be realistic

Dave has a point - we Americans are very spoiled and not as willing to perform manual labor as others. We are fortunate here, and because the US offers so much opportunity, and we Americans look higher than just mere survival. Instead of fighting each other, which is futile anyway, why not work together to blast Congress out of the water with our complaints, whatever they may be? The time spent arguing on this forum could be spent telling our representatives to get their act together and do something. I sent off twenty five letters this morning on the way to work, one to Elizabeth Dole of NC. She's campaigning for Congress but has yet to mention any immigration issues. It felt good to sock it to them all!

C'mon. You claim to be Americans, but you evidently don't know much about America's labor force. Have you ever heard of a coal miner? A steel worker? A mill worker? Longshoreman? Rubber plant worker? Refinery worker? Iron worker? etc. etc.

These are a mere FEW of the dirtiest and most dangerous jobs in this country, with the highest levels of employment-related injuries and deaths on the job. You can do the research yourself.

On top of that, these jobs are necessary and most time thankless -- while we can do without landscapers and cleaning people with no economic loss whatsoever. When you say that Americans are spoiled, you're not talking about average Americans, which are the majority. Average Americans don't have nannies, landscapers, and errand boys -- they do that work themselves.

Even if they did have those "spoiled" kind of luxuries, Linda, there are not ELEVEN MILLION of those jobs availabe, to give every illegal alien a free pass and a job that will ever pay them more than the healthcare costs they get for free.

I do not understand why you American people insist that we illegal people get healhcare for free. You don't even have any idea about it. If you don't have legal documents you can not get medical or healthy families or any kind of free insurance which is privilege for legal people. We can not get also welfare because it is the same thing. You should understand that you are not giving us anything, but job. The only money we can get from USA is our wage which is the recompense for our hard work. AMERICAN DON'T GIVE US FREE HEALTHCARE OR WELFARE OR FOOD STAMPS. ALL OF THOSE BENEFITS ARE FOR LEGAL PEOPLE. IF WE GET SICK WE HAVE TO PAY A LOT. WE HAVE TO WORK BECAUSE WE DON'T HACE ACCESS TO WELFARE OR UNEMPLOYMENT. GOT IT?

Hey guest1 - who pays for all of your children who are born in the US? Huh? Did you fork out $9000-$12,000 for a child born in the US? I doubt it. Some kind of Medicare (and taxpayers) picked up the tab - and we are tired of it. So spare us the whining and go back to whatever place you came from.

This whole chat room has become a joke.
People are asking for real advice and not idiotic self serving lectures.
get real and back to the purpose of this website

Ok real guest 1. If you are asking me that. Tell me where is all of the money that government collect for taxes, social security and medicare that immigrant people never claim. They never get a refund at the end of the year. They never claim retirement and not even medicare. For your information I am legal here and I have insurance from my work that pays for my bills. I don't know what money are you talking about. First you should analice how much immigrant people is producing instead of say that they are taking the money from your country. Like that you just show how ignorant some americans like you are.

Janiss "why WE don't want you here" WE? WE??? SPEAK FOR YOUSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speak for yourself Jannis - I am enjoying the fact that I can employ immigrant workers - I have my business to run. Jannis if I am short staffed will you come and work for me on the graveyard shift. The answer will be "no I have to do this and I have to do that". We need to get in touch with reality. I do not hire illegal immigrants and the immigrant workers are happy for jobs and I am happy to employ them

To Guest: I am talking about ILLEGALS; perhaps you should have "analiced" what I wrote before responding in an uninformed manner. You still did not answer the statement about who pays for the illegal aliens' babies. Think about it.

Real Guest 1>
You are wasting your time. These people will never admit that there is a difference between LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration. I just did a paper for a class at college where I had to check out REAL info. on the problem. In Southern CA. last year, over 75,000 children were born to illegals. Not one paid a cent. And the HOSPITALS give them info. in Spanish on how to sign their AMERICAN child up for MEDI-CAL and welfare and WIC.As for paying taxes??? What a joke. Even the ones with phoney ID's are making minimum wage and they all have over 3 kids so they dont have any taxes. In fact IRS has admitted to REFUNDING some of these people who they gave credit to under the earned income program. So not only are they not paying, WE ARE PAYING THEM.

MOAN MOAN MOAN MOAN

The numbers have already been compiled to show that illegal aliens as a group cannot and do not earn (or contribute) enough to offset the billions of dollars they cost taxpayers. Further, illegals don't understand our tax system or SS system - that's obvious from what they post here.

As far as taxes go, no one ever gets back any more than they pay in. Any refund after filing tax returns is usually very small and only a portion of what the taxpayer pays in. The standard estimated taxes taken out of anyone's check are WHAT YOU ALREADY OWE and are meant for most taxpayers BREAK EVEN without owing MORE at the end of the year. Taxes aren't taken out to be returned at all!

Thus, if you make a low wage, only a small amount is deducted from a taxpayer's check and YOU DON'T GET THAT BACK unless you OVERPAID. The OTHER deductions showing on that paystub, you DON'T GET BACK anyway-PERIOD.

This information is for everyone who keeps saying "I pay taxes but I don't get them back."

deport illegal aliens

Our immigration policy has worked well for 200 years , I am so tried of those that want to fill this country up with poverty level immigrants who they “think” they can control and get votes from, attack it and say it is “Broken”. The reason it is broken , 11 million plus illegal aliens have decided to break it. They have overrun our enforcements agencies and put all citizens at risk .One of the aims of the 1996 welfare reform law was to reduce immigrants' dependency on welfare handouts. That worked initially. But by 2001, immigrants were consuming more welfare

o The report found that 21.9 percent of households led by
immigrants relied on at least one welfare program in 1996.

o That fell to 19.7 percent in 1999, but by 2001 it had
climbed to 22.7 percent.

o Moreover, in 1996 immigrants accounted for 14.2 percent of
households relying on welfare -- which climbed to 17.9
percent in 2001.

o More than three million immigrant families were enrolled
in a welfare program in 2001 -- with about 2.4 million
families being led by legal entrants and 663,000 led by
illegals.

The study also reported that education levels are a key indicator
of whether households will rely on welfare. Some 42 percent of
households led by immigrants who dropped out of high school use
welfare. But only 10 percent of immigrant households led by some
one with a college education are on welfare.

"You can't cut immigrants off of welfare," claims Steven A.
Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies. "You're going to
have to accept the fact that they are using a lot more programs,
or you're going to have to change immigration policy," he adds.


http://www.cis.org/articles/1997/back197.htm

The federal government began legalizing almost three million illegal aliens 10 years ago, on May 5, 1987, wary of the fiscal liabilities of opening more public assistance programs to a population with high needs and low taxpaying power.

To ease the burden on the states, Washington closed some programs to the newly legalized for five years and reimbursed the states nearly $3.5 billion for some of their aid costs. Was the concern of Congress, the White House, and many state and local leaders justified? A review of the evidence a decade later confirms that legalization indeed carried a high fiscal price tag ÷ a total 10-year cost of $78.7 billion ÷ with the indirect and downstream costs still accumulating. In the ten-year period ending in 1996, the amnestied population:

Accounted for an estimated $102.1 billion costs in current dollars in twenty federal, state, and local assistance programs and services.


Paid total taxes of $78 billion, for a ten-year fiscal deficit of $24 billion in the public assistance and services portion of the budget.

These are estimates of the direct costs only. There were, and will continue to be, significant indirect costs associated with the legalization of 2.7 million persons:

Job Displacement: About 1.66 million legalized workers, 70 percent of them unskilled, displaced an average of 187,000 citizen and settled immigrant workers from jobs each year. Costs of public assistance to those displaced totaled $9.9 billion for the decade.


Citizen Children: Women in the legalized population had an estimated 1.25 million U.S. citizen children between 1970 and 1996. Public education and three major public assistance programs to citizen children 18 and under amounted to billion in the decade since amnesty.



School Costs of Undocumented Children: Remaining in the households of legalized population, or joining them subsequently were some 400,000 illegal immigrants by 1996, up from 177,000 in 1987. Costs of providing public schooling for them was $8.56 billion.
Five-Year Prospective Education Costs: Public education costs for U.S. citizen children of legalized aliens are projected to claim an additional $29.4 billion in the five years from 1997 to 2001, mostly from state and local budgets.
Total direct and associated indirect costs of the legalized population after taxes reached $78.7 billion in current dollars for the decade.
Large numbers of the legalized began to naturalize starting in 1995. According to the U.S. commission on Immigration Reform, 1.4 million spouses, children, and parents of amnestied aliens now on immigration waiting lists, will gain immediate entry as relatives of citizens. The costs of public education for the young people of this population and medical care and income support for the 900,000 aging parents is expected to be formidable.

Measuring the Fallout: The Cost of the IRCA Amnesty After 10 Years The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986 set the stage for the country's first and so far only experiment with offering amnesty to a mass population of illegal aliens. The paperwork ÷ the actual adjudication of more than three million applications for legalization began a decade ago, on May 5, 1987. The choice of "Cinco de Mayo," an important Mexican holiday, as the starting date was a recognition that the amnesty would be a predominantly Latino affair. More than 85 percent of the 2.7 million ultimately legalized were from Latin American countries. Mexico and Central America alone supplied nearly 84 percent of all legalizations. Fears of Red Ink Justified What Lessons, If Any? In ten years the United States has paid out $156.7 for the! direct and indirect costs of the legalized population, but has received a little more than half that back in taxes ÷ $78 billion. That figure would be substantially higher if expressed in 1996 dollars. The total fiscal deficit of $78.7 billion amounts to a government subsidy to each member of the 1987 legalized population of $29,148. A subsidy of that amount would have enabled most amnesty seekers to establish a farm or business and remain in their home countries.

Since the legalization, the pool of illegal immigrants in the country has continued to grow and now exceeds five million (now 11 million and growing) ; the INS estimates that 420,000 new long-term illegal aliens arrive each year. The churches remain the most outspoken interest group now demanding a new amnesty. So far Congress and the Executive have shown little warmth toward the idea. This new realism is encouraging. In the debates leading up to the 1986 IRCA, a sizable minority in Congress opposed any amnesty until the border was under control. They were overridden. The Our immigration policy is not broken, our politicians are, the job growth is all driven by mass illegal/legal immigration. How many more malls, restaurants , janitors, security guards do we need if we maintain replacement population growth ? The jobs are mostly poverty level jobs that will require support of entitlement programs, surprising these are not the jobs that most illegal aliens do, unless they can speak English, most illegal males work in the construction industry and you will not find that on this list. The “Red Herring” that our politicos continue to wave in the face of the real facts is enough to make you sick and tried of them thinking we have “Stupid on our foreheads” .We need to take “Their “ carrot away and beat them with the “Stick