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I want someone tell me exactly what the deal is from what I heard so often.
United States is the ONLY country on earth,where its own citizen can lose his or her citizenship from the United States of America,regardless if its a US born Citizen or Neutralized US Citizen.
Now I wanna know,how does this work and why?
how can someone lose its citizenhip and be without a citizen.Does anyone know about this?
I mean,imagine,even if you are a US Citizen by birth and even if your parents were born here,your American Citizenship can be taken away from you.Only in America I guess...now I wanna know,HOW...All I hear it happens and does anyone know how and what someone has to do,to be without a citizenship????
 
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You lose your US citizenship if you side with Hezbollah and Taliban.
 
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and dont forget Nazi


Only in america
 
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Or if you never should have been granted citizenship in the first place.
 
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Yes: SEC.349. [U.S.C. 1481] A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his/her nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States Nationality;
1. Obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorisedagent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
2. taking an oath or making a affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after haveing attanined the age of 18 years; or
3. entering or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if(A)such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or (B) such persons are serve as a commissioned or non commissioned officers; or
4. (A) accepting serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of 18years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting serving in or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the governmentof a foreing state or political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of 18years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation or declaration of allegiance is required; or
5. making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or
6. making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by and before such officer as may be designated by the Attorney General.

RESTRICTIONS ON LOSE OF NATIONALITY;
Under setion 351. [8 U.S.C. 1483})a) Except as provided in paragraphs(6) and (7) of section 349(a) of this title, no national of the United States can lse United States nationality, under this Act while within the United States or any of its outlying possessions, but loss of nationality shall result from performance within the United States or any of the cnditions specified in this chapter if and when the national thereafter takes up a residence outside of the United States and its outlying possessions.
(b) A national who within six months after attaing the age of 18 years asserts his claim to United States nationality, in such manner as the Secretary of State shall by regulation prescribe, shall not be deemed to have lost united states nationality by the commission, prior to his eighteenth birthday, of any of the acts specified in paragraphs(3) and (5) of section 349(a) of this title.
 
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Good Adam. Thanks for all the info. You might have heard those from Eve, right? What about dual citizenship? An American can have another country's citizenship like Canada.
 
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According to the 7 FAM and INA the law is still the same that US Citizen must depart and enter the United States on US Document,(Passport).

If your country of Origin accecpt/allows the dual citizenship it's upto you, if you want to take a chance, if in case you run into any problem then you should not look any help from the US Govt. The US Consular Officer, is unable to help you.
You have enter into that country as his citizen and not as US Citizen.
The United States Government will not be able to help you in this matter.
I hope this will clear your question.
 
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And dont forget... you can lose naturalization if citizenship was obtained by fraudulent information when applied for. fortunately many times they do not bother pursuing unless it was something of interest to them such as "terror group related info"



[quote]Good Adam. Thanks for all the info. You might have heard those from Eve, right[/quote]

Macy...


Never trust a women with slithering friends.

It's Poison
Never trust a big butt and a smile Big Grin

BVD
 
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As soon as I wish so I snap my finger and you poop - that's when you lose ! Mad
 
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SUPERLIER - YOU SHALL FALL INTO YOUR PIT!
 
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well I also heard,if you are a US Citizen and have been away from the US for a certain amount of time,you can lose it as well.Is this correct as well?

BUT thanks everyone for answering this topic
 
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Read this if you are interested:

http://www.newcitizen.us/losing.html
 
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Of course not. There are many US citizens who choose to live in foreign countries and retire there.
 
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A citizen or even a resident can lose it if you get any felonies
 
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A Permanent Resident can lose his status by committing felonies or serious crimes; but not US citizens. Worst a US citizen could get is jail time. Permanent residents can be deported but naturalized citizens cannot.
 
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What are the consequences after one voluntary revokes citizenship?
Are there any rights in the US for statelessness?
 
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I thought treason could snatch it from usc, like John Walker..


Of course bush is probably working on legislation that conversion to islam if u r usc is criteria. lol
 
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Ha, intersting. What if the person who loses the US citizenship and then after a few years wants it back. Are they allowed to travel back to the US?
Do they have to apply for a tourist visa?
LMAO!
 
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A stateless person is someone with no state or nationality. It may be because the state that gave their previous nationality has ceased to exist and there is no successor state, or their nationality has been repudiated by their own state, making them effective refugees. People may also be stateless if they are members of a minority ethnic group which is denied citizen status in the country on whose territory they are born, if they are born in disputed territories, if they are born in an area ruled by an entity whose independence is not internationally recognized, or if they are born on territory over which no modern state claims sovereignty. Individuals may also become stateless voluntarily, by formally renouncing their citizenship while on foreign soil; however, not all states recognize such renunciations on the part of their citizens.

Some areas, such as the Palestinian Territories, which are under military occupation by a country which does not issue passports to its residents, are home to stateless persons. In some cases, such as that of ethnic Russians in Latvia, conditions for citizenship may be problematic or difficult to satisfy. In some enclave areas, such as the FARC-ruled areas of Colombia, and parts of Sudan and Afghanistan, people may have no practical contact with a potentially passport-issuing state which nominally claims sovereignty over them.

While stateless persons were more common before the 20th century, when states were somewhat more fragile entities, on September 20, 1954 the United Nations adopted the Convention relating to the Status of Stateless Persons: an active policy to prevent people becoming or remaining stateless. States which have ratified the Convention are bound to give stateless persons rights similar to those granted aliens of comparable status. Despite this, there are still Kashmiri, Kurdish, Palestinian and Sahrawi refugees who claim asylum due to statelessness, for example.

Cases of de facto statelessness have arisen due to historical provisions of British nationality law which led to cases where people have had a British passport without Right of abode in the United Kingdom. Those with such status who did not have citizenship or residence rights in any other country were effectively stateless despite holding British nationality. Effective 30 April 2003, as part of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 the United Kingdom gave most British nationals without any other citizenship the right to register as full British citizens if they wish and has hence resolved most of the British cases of effective statelessness. A similar case can be seen in illegal aliens who can't be expelled due to specific provisions (health issues, stateless persons who by definition can't be expelled to their "original country", refugees who are not accepted by their original state, etc.): they thus live in a judicial no man's land.

A slightly tragicomic rendition of this condition was portrayed in the motion picture The Terminal, in which a man is trapped living inside an airport because he cannot return home due to his unrecognized citizenship status (his homeland has collapsed while he is in transit). This story was based in part on the real-life story of Merhan Karimi Nasseri, who has spent decades in the Charles de Gaulle Airport, originally due to conflicts with French law and the fact he was not welcome in his country of origin, and subsequently because of mental illness resulting in an unwillingness to leave the building.
 
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WOW- you are so smart mpod to know all this!
I saw the movie Terminal but they didnt do a good job on it if I didnt know about that guy Nasseri and his mental illness. They should have made it a drama not a comedy. All I remember is he earned his money from the trolley quarters and ate free ketchup and other condiments.

This is so interesting. In a way I would like to be stateless.
My ultimate dream before I die is for all countries to unite...
I know a pipe dream.
 
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