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quote: Originally posted by SonofMichael:
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I certainly hope you are. We don't need anymore SOM's running around. |
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quote: If a person commits rape, it is irrelevant whether the perpetrator is a USC, legal immigrant, or illegal immigrant
This is not true. it does matter if the perpetrator is an undocumented. Because that illegal is not supposed to be here to be able to commit a crime. DJM said this: quote: I am by no means blaming the girl, if she was truly a victim of these men. But, it seems like she was a victim before she met them. But in fact he is  Hudson said: quote "In other words, he was not blaming the girl, but merely asking questions about the incident" I diasgree Hudson.. as these are words DJM is saying..merely lip service. actually the last line being added as the "edit" The entire tone of his post is indicative of its the 13 year olds fault. then ends it with that statement. this is his true feelings If she went with them on her own, that is a different matter. I understand she is only 13.read his post again. This is sad. These were 24, 23, 20 year old men! You have to remember that 12 and 13 year olds are children! those reasoning skills are not there yet to be able to act as adults. Just ask that USC teacher that was sexually assaulting her 13 year old undocumented boyfriend. She is going to be spending a lot of times behind bars while he will be enjoying a greencard complimentary of the new U visa. and all his family too. |
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Lol 4past,
so do you mean to say it is all right for US criminals to be here and commit crimes, but it is a grander crime if committed by someone who is not supposed to be here.
These are the underlyings of prejudice. If not, let's conjure up another word for it.
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No 4now that is not what I said.
I don't do lip service thank you very much. Everyone in the U.S. knows that these children know a hell of a lot more about life than you or I did at that age. The article posted does not give enough information. That is all I was asking. It doesn't matter if the 13 year old girl had a 19 year old boyfriend and they had ***. That would still be statutory rape. I was only asking the question because some young girls can mislead people about their age. Sometimes in these high schools, you have girls dating boys who are out of school. At thirteen, I believe this girl should be in high school. Have any of you walked into a high school lately? Do any of you have kids in high school?
What I said was why did the girl go with the young men? The article says they picked her up. It doesn't say she was kidnapped. Who knows this may not have been her first time doing something like this. This time she just got caught. Didn't the article also say that she was in the company of the men walking in a mall. That doesn't sound like she was forced. It does sound like she has a lot of problems and needs help. No one need accuse me of blaming the girl. I blame her parents.
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4 now
As far as the edit, that was only to correct some words. I by no means changed my tone. I work with the public everyday. I have seen they way some of these parents let the young girls dress and act. (Again not blaming the victim) Stating a fact. These children are too young to be dressed like they are 16-17 year olds. Parents do it anyway. As I stated in the first post, I have read some of these text messages and some of my sons My Space emails. I know these young girls and I could not believe the words they were using. I read things that I, myself, didn't learn until I graduated. It is a scary world we live in. As parents, we have to protect and teach our children right from wrong. Sometimes it just doesn't help. It seems that these children are getting younger and younger when their bodies start maturing. And older people take advantage of that, I don't disagree. I just find it odd that if they were strangers, why did she go?
Also since most people believe illegals don't speak english. How did she understand them when they picked her up?
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quote: This is not true. it does matter if the perpetrator is an undocumented. Because that illegal is not supposed to be here to be able to commit a crime.
The preponderance of one who commits a crime is not solely based on ones immigration status or lack thereof. You are, in effect, making two subversive arguments here: first, you are perpetually over exaggerating crime committed by illegals, second, excusing crime committed by USC. quote: I diasgree Hudson.. as these are words DJM is saying..merely lip service. actually the last line being added as the "edit" The entire tone of his post is indicative of its the 13 year olds fault. then ends it with that statement. this is his true feelingsIf she went with them on her own, that is a different matter. I understand she is only 13.
read his post again. This is sad. These were 24, 23, 20 year old men! You have to remember that 12 and 13 year olds are children! those reasoning skills are not there yet to be able to act as adults.
Just ask that USC teacher that was sexually assaulting her 13 year old undocumented boyfriend. She is going to be spending a lot of times behind bars while he will be enjoying a greencard complimentary of the new U visa. and all his family too.
It may be your belief, but that belief does not make it a fact. DJM did respond suggesting that the parents have something to do with it. That was the point about "she was a victim before the rape." DJM was not blaming the girl, but society and/or the parents. That is the saddest truth of all. The men committed statutory rape. I don't care if they are the sons of prominent business leaders, but should face the fullest extent of the law. And the same goes with the teacher. She should be expunged from teaching permanently, locked up for a long time, and face the consequences as a child sexual offender when she is released. Again, I don't care if she is a USC or the daughter of a local congreessman. The law is the law.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
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Just to show how "honorable" our own immigration agents are:
Immigration agent accused of raping woman about to be deported
By Akilah Johnson | South Florida Sun-Sentinel
November 20, 2007
Wilfredo Vazquez, 35, of Tamarac, was fired as a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent days after a complaint was filed in September, federal authorities said. He worked as a federal agent for less than a year in the Office of Detention and Removal.
Vazquez was supposed to take a 39-year-old mother of two from the Krome Detention Center, in Miami, to a Broward facility on Sept. 21, where she would await deportation to Jamaica, the U.S. Attorney's Office said in a news release Monday. He instead took a detour and raped her in his Tamarac home, federal prosecutors said.
"She was afraid of him," the release said. "He wore his firearm at all times."
Vazquez made his first federal court appearance Monday in Tampa. He is charged with three counts of knowingly causing a detainee under his supervision to engage in a sexual act. If convicted, Vazquez faces life in prison.
He denied making any stops between Miami-Dade and Broward counties and said he didn't have sexual contact with the woman, identified only as M.C., according to the release.
But she gave a detailed description of both the inside and outside of his home, and SunPass records show he got off of Florida's Turnpike before arriving at the Broward facility, the release said. The two arrived at the facility nearly two hours after they left Miami.
"When a federal officer abuses his position and his power to harm someone in his custody, the harm he causes goes well beyond the individual victim," U.S. Attorney Alex Acosta said in the release. "The act also violates the public's trust."
A corrections deputy with the Broward Sheriff's Office was arrested on similar charges at the end of August. Charles Edward Floyd was charged with one count of kidnapping and two counts of sexual battery for allegedly raping an inmate as he was transporting her from one county jail to another.
Floyd was supposed to take three inmates from a satellite jail in Pompano Beach to a different north Broward jail but instead only dropped off two inmates, officials said. He took the third, his accuser, to a closed business along Powerline Road and raped her, authorities said.
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so according to proudusc, this guy should be jailed, but the illegal given a green card....give more rewards to those who don't even belong here....let's forgive and forget when it comes to an illegal alien or fraudster, but hammer our citizens and residents....maybe proudusc should consider moving to another country...
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A couple of distinctions, S12. This immigration officer, if found guilty, will be convicted of a felony. The Servanos, on the other hand, are NOT felons. So, who belongs in jail? I don't need to move to another country - this is MY country and this country needs more people like Iperson, Explora, Hudson, Rough Neighbor, NeedHelpFast and less of the likes of you!
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the Servanos are going to be deported (I hope)...the immigration officer, no. So what?
Between myself and all the others you mentioned, only Hudson seems to have some grasp about the rule of law...the rest of you have no clue. Iperson and Explora are visa cheats and I know little about RN and NHF...you would reward anyone who committed any offense as long as they babbled the phrase..."your honor, it was an 'honorable' mistake...'-- in your world of double-digit IQs, no one has to take responsibility for their actions. Typical of people with that low intelligence quotient. Not enough brain cells left over to do any real thinking.
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Why don't you start telling us your love story with the mexican illegal alien tha got you from the rear end m o t h e r f u c k e r and how much you love him now
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clearly babybeh has been spending far too much time reading the bathroom walls in public restrooms, while waiting for his next customer...tell us babybeh, how do you keep your knees from getting chaffed?
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S12, a.k.a. Mr. Doofus,
How many pairs of kneepads have you worn out? Time for a new pair?
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quote: Originally posted by Hudson: quote: This is not true. it does matter if the perpetrator is an undocumented. Because that illegal is not supposed to be here to be able to commit a crime.
HUDSON RESPONSE: "The preponderance of one who commits a crime is not solely based on ones immigration status or lack thereof. You are, in effect, making two subversive arguments here: first, you are perpetually over exaggerating crime committed by illegals, second, excusing crime committed by USC. " You just made so called subversive arguments up in your own mind sorry to tell you. Where in my post did I excuse USC from committing a crime??? The statement is that the undocumented illegal should not be here to commit a crime. If you are not here.... no way to carry out a nefarious deed.... so dis moi.. am I right or wrong  2nd you are slipping Hudson.. my overexaggeration of crimes committed by illegals?? yea RIGHT Take a look at these figures Read the pertinent parts in red from following article Mr. HudsonTHREE COLLEGE STUDENTS MURDERED BY ILLEGAL ALIENS by Michael Cutler August 14, 2007 NewsWithViews.com I just came across some more information about the execution-style senseless slaying of three college kids who had managed to "beat the odds" and point their lives in the right direction only to be cut down by aliens who had no right to be in our country. A fourth college student, the sister of one of the victims, as you know, is still hospitalized after having been shot in the face. Today's edition of the Newark Star Ledger provides information about the illegal alien who, according to news reports, was the individual who was the leader of this band of sociopathic scum that carried out the brutal attacks on these exemplary students. This individual, for whom warrants have been issued in conjunction with this triple homicide, is identified as an illegal alien from Nicaragua. He is reported to have a criminal history and was ordered deported from the United States in 1993. The article says that it is "unclear" as to whether or not he ever left the country! (How can there be any doubt about something as basic as this be "unclear?") Speaking from experience, there is either an executed warrant of deportation in his immigration alien file or there isn't. This is not rocket science, it is a simple matter of finding his immigration file and reviewing it! Here is something else to consider: According to reports I have read, in September, 2001 there were an estimated 300,000 plus aliens in our country who had failed to show up for deportation hearings or had failed to turn themselves in following their being ordered deported from the United States. Today there are an estimated 600,000 plus such so-called "absconders" or fugitive aliens. Why has the number of so-called absconders roughly doubled in 6 years? The answer is to be found in the utter lack of resources to enforce our nation's immigration laws. All that we have gotten from our government is an illusion of an effort to enforce our nation's immigration laws and illusions, just like blue smoke and mirrors is incapable of getting the job done. For years we heard about the so-called "catch and release" program along the border where the Border Patrol would arrest an illegal alien only to have to release him because of a lack of jail space. Today we read about ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) claiming to not have the resources to train all of the police departments under the provision of 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act to enable them to properly identify illegal aliens and notify ICE. The problem is that ICE is more than just a little short-handed! I have made this point before and I think it is appropriate to make the same point again. On March 10, 2005 I testified at a hearing conducted by the House Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Claims on the subject of "Interior Immigration Enforcement Resources." I was stunned to find out that while Congress had appropriate sufficient funds to hire an additional 800 new special agents for ICE, a number I thought was woefully inadequate, the President slashed that number to just 143 new special agents! He similarly cut the 2,000 additional Border Patrol agents that had been funded by Congress to just 210 new agents! You can read the transcript of that hearing. This was not the only time that the administration failed to hire an adequate number of enforcement personnel, but represented "business as usual" for an administration that clearly had no desire to see to it that our borders were secured or our immigration laws enforced from within the interior of the United States as well. This situation, in fact, exists right now! The administration is now claiming that they are going crack down on employers of illegal aliens when Social Security Numbers don't match. This is a great idea, one, in fact that should have been done for the past 20 years, since the implementation of the Immigration Reform and Control Act which included the disastrous amnesty program for nearly 4 million illegal aliens. The problem is that the laws currently on the books would be essentially fine to deal with the immigration crisis, it is the lack of leadership, resources and political will to address the immigration disaster that his impacted so many aspects of our nation today. Everything from the economy, health care, education, the environment and quality of life to criminal justice and national security are getting absolutely hammered. Yet there are those like Senator Kennedy and Senator Specter along with all too many of the "usual suspects" who could apparently care less that American's are paying one hell of a price so that corporations can have cheap compliant labor, immigration lawyers can have an abundance of clients and politicians can therefore reap the campaign contributions and promises of votes by the special interest groups. The murders are indeed an outrage, but unfortunately, they are not that rare an occurrence. It has been estimated that 25% of the criminal population sitting in jails across the United States are illegal aliens. I have read that there are about 16,000 homicides committed each year in the United States. If the illegal aliens are responsible for 25% of the homicides since that is the percentage of inmates that they represent, then it can be said that each year more people in the United States are killed by illegal aliens then were slaughtered on September 11, 2001. Dead is dead! If the Border Patrol and ICE had been able to the job that We the People should expect them to do, then many of these criminal aliens would never have entered the United States and fugitive aliens would not be allowed to roam our nation's streets. The game of "Hide and Seek" that the illegal aliens and the criminal aliens among them play is nearly one-sided. They hide (in plain sight) and ICE is often unable to seek because of an extreme lack of resources. Additionally, as our jails fill up with criminals including illegal aliens who should not have been able to enter our country in the first place, there is increased pressure to release criminals back onto the streets to alleviate the overcrowding. How many more crimes are committed by criminal aliens and United States citizen criminals as well because of this constant pressure to try to alleviate this overcrowding? Meanwhile these criminal aliens, in this case, were not content to simply carry out this outrageous crime, they also seemingly needed to corrupt teenage boys including a relative, to destroy their lives as well! Those young murderers must be treated as adults considering the heinous nature of the crime. Their lives are now, for all intents and purposes, over. As the investigation continues, how many more teenagers may be found to have been drawn into this murderous gang? How many additional crimes might these reprobates be responsible for? I would imagine that there are detectives now going through their case files to see if these ***s may have had a hand in additional crimes currently under investigation. An illusion of enforcement will not protect our nation or our people. The only thing is that the deaths of these exemplary students is no illusion. It is all too real for them and for their families and friends. Those who were close to these young students will find that their lives have been forever altered. The death of a loved one is not the flu but rather an amputation. When politicians fail to live up to their oaths of office, there are often real-world consequences. We the People need to do a far better job of supervising our employees! When 80% of Americans state that they want our borders secured, then the politicians have been handed their orders. If they fail to deliver, they must be removed just as an employer would fire an insubordinate employee! That is precisely what the electoral process is all about! http://www.newswithviews.com/Cutler/michael12.htmHDSON SAID:
It may be your belief, but that belief does not make it a fact. DJM did respond suggesting that the parents have something to do with it. That was the point about "she was a victim before the rape." DJM was not blaming the girl, but society and/or the parents. That is the saddest truth of all quote:
Oh I see.. then I will rephrase... DJM is making excuses for the men that sexually abused the child because she was **** or dressed **** . The "whats a man supposed to do attitude??? She was asking for it. " SHAME SHAME ON YOU for supporting THIS MENTALITY in regards to a child!!
HUDSON SAID:
"The men committed statutory rape. I don't care if they are the sons of prominent business leaders, but should face the fullest extent of the law. And the same goes with the teacher. She should be expunged from teaching permanently, locked up for a long time, and face the consequences as a child sexual offender when she is released. Again, I don't care if she is a USC or the daughter of a local congreessman. The law is the law.
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no doubt, that imbecile proudusc will claim these illegals just made an 'honorable' mistake...hey proudusc...why not take these killers into your home? Huh? Come on...why not???? Aren't they just doing the jobs Americans won't do, aren't they just looking for a better life?? Aren't they just honorable men who made a teeny tiny honorable mistake???
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4now & SOM caught what was being said. DJM was trying to softly incriminate the girl. I suppose for some any crime committed by an illegal has some justification to it. Or at least mitigating circumstances. Doesn't matter that if they weren't here the crime could never take place. I wonder how many rapes this guy committed back home. Maybe that is why he is here. Running from the village mob. Where is Mr. 'Vazquez' from?
You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
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Oh grow up imbecile! I never blamed the girl. If it was your daughter, would she have been in the situation to be picked up? Apparently you people never venture outside this chat room into the real world. I don't excuse any adult in taking advantage of a child. But if this country doesn't get a grip on these out of control teenagers and pre-***** we are in a world of trouble. Have any of you read articles or watched the news about parents having to call the police because they are afraid of their children? What about the two boys who communicated on My Space and then one proceeded to shoot his classmates in Finland. I never said it was ok to rape a child. For you to even twist the words makes you a pathetic human being. As for the logic, they were illegal, shouldn't have been here, and it wouldn't have happened, is just bull. I have failed to see a any articles about legal people committing crimes on this web site. I guess you all feel that because they are citizens they have the right to commit rape and other crimes like the "Baby Grace" incident that is happening in Texas. According to some of you, those people should be the poster children for American Citizens. Because they were not illegal, I guess you all feel it was ok. Do you sit all day and search for crimes involving illegals just so you have something to talk about. Get a Life. Maybe if all the people who sit all day on sites like this, got up and went to work, this country wouldn't need illegals.
No, I am not attacking everyone on this site. The ones, who spend all day looking for something to post, are the people that I am attacking. Some of you have attacked me for pointing out that there is a problem in this country with our children. I never once blamed that child, in a direct or round about way. For each person who doesn't admit that there is a crisis with our children, bare some of the blame for what happened to this child. This includes those young men, her parents, and any other adult who failed to see this child was in trouble.
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