http://www.hometownstation.com/illegal-alien-welfare-2007-09-28-11-41-4.html

Does not include education. Que Que?

the cost of the war on iraq is 1.2 trillion

That may be true but in the end we will get something for our efforts. The post was to point out there is a large financial burden to illegal immigration. It did not include the cost of education. I assume the extra cost of ESL, extra teachers, buildings, etc. THere is an extra cost on top of that. In order to educate every one at the same level you have to slow down the process for the English speakers in order for the non English speakers to stay even. So, the native Americans get screwed out of their educatoin becuase of someone who shouldn't be there in the first place.

Mike, you had a business. If one of your employees gave you bogus info and at the end of the year you were told by the IRS that it was fake and you would have to pay their taxes. What would you do? The person is gone. No way to recoup the tax money owed, your stuck. Would you jsut say, oh well, tough for me. No, you would be mad as hell. Well, that happens to a lot of people all the time. Albeit a little differently in most cases but the result is the same. Your stuck paying someone else's bills.


I don't understand how Hudson and his followers beleive otherwise. Has he ever been to L.A. , San Diego, Ventura County? I doubt it. If he has it wasn't to the areas of interest here.

Truth is, he knows this is true. That is the worst part. He's smart enough to know the truth but has alterior motives. Notice that not once did he ever respond to the issue I have mentioned numerous times. The stolen SSN numbers. Who gets the tax bill? The person who is the actual owner of the SSN, not the illegal. Do you think the IRS will let him go easily? Not a chance. They assume you are a liar. That you did work at the chicken plucking factory. That you are trying to evade your tax liability. Hudson, any comments, directly about this? Not the usual montra about holding someone else to a different standard. Mike here just got screwed with bogus SSN numbers, what can he do? How will he at least get his money back for time wasted defending against a lie?

I had to add this after the fact since I know this will probably be mentioned. An argument might be that the taxes are taken out so the IRS already has it. Sounds good on the surface except for one detail. In most cases the users of stolen SSN numbers usually max out their dependents. They usually have nearly zero taxes withheld. Now, the IRS will not be satisfied with the taxes owed for what they put on their W-4. No, they won't, They will show the dependents listed don't exist and will want the taxes based the the true deduction of 1.

Ok, Mr Tax expert (Hudson) lets hear the defense of illegal alien tax cheats.

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Originally posted by davdah:
That may be true but in the end we will get something for our efforts. The post was to point out there is a large financial burden to illegal immigration. It did not include the cost of education. I assume the extra cost of ESL, extra teachers, buildings, etc. THere is an extra cost on top of that. In order to educate every one at the same level you have to slow down the process for the English speakers in order for the non English speakers to stay even. So, the native Americans get screwed out of their educatoin becuase of someone who shouldn't be there in the first place.

Mike, you had a business. If one of your employees gave you bogus info and at the end of the year you were told by the IRS that it was fake and you would have to pay their taxes. What would you do? The person is gone. No way to recoup the tax money owed, your stuck. Would you jsut say, oh well, tough for me. No, you would be mad as hell. Well, that happens to a lot of people all the time. Albeit a little differently in most cases but the result is the same. Your stuck paying someone else's bills.


I don't understand how Hudson and his followers beleive otherwise. Has he ever been to L.A. , San Diego, Ventura County? I doubt it. If he has it wasn't to the areas of interest here.

Truth is, he knows this is true. That is the worst part. He's smart enough to know the truth but has alterior motives. Notice that not once did he ever respond to the issue I have mentioned numerous times. The stolen SSN numbers. Who gets the tax bill? The person who is the actual owner of the SSN, not the illegal. Do you think the IRS will let him go easily? Not a chance. They assume you are a liar. That you did work at the chicken plucking factory. That you are trying to evade your tax liability. Hudson, any comments, directly about this? Not the usual montra about holding someone else to a different standard. Mike here just got screwed with bogus SSN numbers, what can he do? How will he at least get his money back for time wasted defending against a lie?

I had to add this after the fact since I know this will probably be mentioned. An argument might be that the taxes are taken out so the IRS already has it. Sounds good on the surface except for one detail. In most cases the users of stolen SSN numbers usually max out their dependents. They usually have nearly zero taxes withheld. Now, the IRS will not be satisfied with the taxes owed for what they put on their W-4. No, they won't, They will show the dependents listed don't exist and will want the taxes based the the true deduction of 1.

ITA with all that you said. There are so many negative consequences that are perpetual with regards to this issue, most people have no idea unless or until it hits home and someone they know has been destroyed by it.

Those who are citizens that support this invasion almost always fit in one or two categories with few if ANY exceptions:

(a) Corporate elite who are benefiting financially and substantially by the suppression of American wages and the taxpayers involuntarily picking up the tab for their illegal alien employees healthcare, education, welfare for their kids etc.

or

(b) They have family members, friends or share a race with those who are invaders. The majority of everyday Americans (polled: 82%) want illegal immigration halted, laws enforced, fence built and self or forced deportation.

These selfish pigs are totally removed from the reality of the present and long term effect that this massive chaos will have on America and her future generation. The elite don't live in neighborhoods where hospitals are closing, emergency rooms are used like doctors offices; crime has risen 100%, drugs, gangs, drunk driving, driving without license or insurance, driving and CANNOT READ OR SPEAK ENGLISH and have no knowledge or concern for the rules of the road; 55 people living in a 3 room house, urinating in yards; bondo holding up the doors of vehicles parked 50 deep in the front yard ON WHAT USED TO BE THE GRASS and YOUR FAVORITE: chickens and roosters in the yards and running down the streets crowing in major cities . . the list of culturally incompatible to down right disgusting habits of these invaders is endless. Since none of this is the reality of the elite who sanction this invasion its up to us to end it by any means necessary. Its nice to see the tide finally turning in our favor.

I am grateful that most of my neighbors that aren't American are from Pakistan. Hard working, friendly, respectful, law abiding English speaking some here on visas others have their citizenship. Some may even be illegal and while I don't agree with that, I admire they fact that they are not from a barbaric culture and they work hard, have dignity and respect America, our laws and do not hesitate to tell you how grateful they are to be here. I have the utmost respect and admiration for them. Illegal aliens from Mexico and South America could learn some lesson of respect and humility from them.

Take care Davdah!

There is one point I disagree on. Although we see the flag burners etc from Mexico not all of them are bad. But we have far too many that are of the criminal class (kangaroos) that jumped our border and show no respect for any U.S. law. What the exact percentages are between decent Mexicans and the riffraff is unknown. But its bad enough that it has everyone's attention. That tells me its too high. The people of South American countries are not as bad from what I have seen. What is funny though is the amount of racism that exists in their own cultures. In Mexico itself there is a distinction between the people of northern versus southern Mexico. I don't remember the details exactly anymore but in one part they are called chilangas and the other something else. The anomosity is fairly strong from what I've been told.


I still want to hear from the tax expert Hudson on the issue of stolen SSNs. Beverly, Hudson is a self proclaimed tax expert who in the past hinted that he works for the IRS. He above all would know the true figures on this important issue. The problem is he supports illegals at any cost. I've mentioned this time and again but so far, no response.

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Originally posted by davdah:
There is one point I disagree on. Although we see the flag burners etc from Mexico not all of them are bad. But we have far too many that are of the criminal class (kangaroos) that jumped our border and show no respect for any U.S. law. What the exact percentages are between decent Mexicans and the riffraff is unknown. But its bad enough that it has everyone's attention. That tells me its too high. The people of South American countries are not as bad from what I have seen. What is funny though is the amount of racism that exists in their own cultures. In Mexico itself there is a distinction between the people of northern versus southern Mexico. I don't remember the details exactly anymore but in one part they are called chilangas and the other something else. The anomosity is fairly strong from what I've been told.


I still want to hear from the tax expert Hudson on the issue of stolen SSNs. Beverly, Hudson is a self proclaimed tax expert who in the past hinted that he works for the IRS. He above all would know the true figures on this important issue. The problem is he supports illegals at any cost. I've mentioned this time and again but so far, no response.

Oh I don't think all of any group is all bad or good. I have a few Mexican acquaintenances and they are totally against illegal immigration because they have been through the process and resent the fact that the border jumpers think they are entitled to citizenship based on their illegal presence. As for the in-house discrimination, ironically it is the darker skinned population that are the most poverty stricken, uneducated outcasts who are given maps and encouraged to illegally cross our borders. Did you know that only 5 families control all of the wealth is Messyhole? When I call it an oligarchy, I am not just hurling insults, its true.

As for Hudson, he knows the truth, for whatever his reasons he is ignoring it. Hell, he may be cooking books for some of those corporate elite who are determined to keep our borders wide open.

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Originally posted by davdah:
There is one point I disagree on. Although we see the flag burners etc from Mexico not all of them are bad. But we have far too many that are of the criminal class (kangaroos) that jumped our border and show no respect for any U.S. law. What the exact percentages are between decent Mexicans and the riffraff is unknown. But its bad enough that it has everyone's attention. That tells me its too high. The people of South American countries are not as bad from what I have seen. What is funny though is the amount of racism that exists in their own cultures. In Mexico itself there is a distinction between the people of northern versus southern Mexico. I don't remember the details exactly anymore but in one part they are called chilangas and the other something else. The anomosity is fairly strong from what I've been told.


I still want to hear from the tax expert Hudson on the issue of stolen SSNs. Beverly, Hudson is a self proclaimed tax expert who in the past hinted that he works for the IRS. He above all would know the true figures on this important issue. The problem is he supports illegals at any cost. I've mentioned this time and again but so far, no response.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the vicious mara gangs come from El Salvador, Nicaragua and Honduras. As for Mexicans being racist, I do agree with you. Mexicans from northern Mexico (mostly white) can't stand Mexicans from southern Mexico (mostly indigenous or mestizo). That's why they're racist, not because they have strict immigration laws, as you stated in another thread...

Every country has its underbelly of criminal empires. Haven't heard of the mara gangs before. I guess they don't have the same numbers as la raza or 13th st. et al.

Now I remember about the Mexican issue. It did have to do with the overall racial makeup of the two areas to some extent. But a big part of it is the differences in progress between them. Northern Mexico inhabitants are more sophisticated than their southern rubes. Part of that is due to the culture, education, and industry differences. Odd, that the better half is near us. Now how did that happen? Is it symbiotic or parasitic?

I know your here Hudson, I'm waiting for some sort of answer on the SSN issue.

They are better known as mara salvatruchans (sp?)... I think there are two major gangs, MS-13 and MS-18.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-01-05-gang-grows_x.htm

"...MS-13 — the focus of a nationwide crackdown by FBI and federal immigration agents — has become known in recent years for home invasion robberies, drug dealing and machete attacks on its enemies . But what happened in Houston on Nov. 2, FBI and Houston police officials say, has heightened concerns that MS-13 could be far more dangerous than thought..."

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Just perfect. At the moment I am having a gang banger thrown out of a place in San Antonio. I guess I should have FBI back ground checks done on tenants now. It would probably be easier to not rent to anyone with tatoos or who doesn't speak the Queens English.


Still nothing Hudson? C'mon show some cojones.

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Originally posted by davdah:
Just perfect. At the moment I am having a gang banger thrown out of a place in San Antonio. I guess I should have FBI back ground checks done on tenants now. It would probably be easier to not rent to anyone with tatoos or who doesn't speak the Queens English.


Still nothing Hudson? C'mon show some cojones.

Here's a you tube link so you can see these insane monsters living in US jails.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-74970695277169...ype=search&plindex=0

no doubt hudson and his shill proudusc will make some false unsupported claim that illegals 'pay their way' because a small handful are using fake SS cards for withholding and because some pay sales tax on the beer and cigarettes they buy....sorry, but it doesn't add up to billions of $$$...not when these same illegal douchebags skip out on every hospital bill, fail to pay for all the car wrecks they cause (and no, they don't have auto insurance...since buying it would require that the individual be a responsible adult, and no illega by definition is a responsible adult, or else, they wouldn't be an illegal!! Illegals are a huge drain on our economy across numerous fronts...we pay for their education,their medical bills, their car wrecks and clean up all the broken beer bottles they have strewn across the landscape, we have to fumigate, if not burn to the ground, every home/apt where they have lived 12 to a room so as to reduce the chances of spreading tb, leprosy, Hep c and who knows what else....and we are supposed to be grateful because a few of 'em clean toilets for $6 an hour??/

Actually, I expected what we got, nothing. I assumed at least the argument of withheld taxes staying in the DC coffers. That was why I explained maxing out the dependents. I saw it coming before it got here. Aside that there is no argument anyone with a bit of knowledge couldn't easily defeat. I would like to hear one, I really would. But it would have to be truthful.

If the supporters of illegal aliens really believed their dogma they should be able to produce a substantial amount of credible evidence to back it up. All I hear about is compassion or feelings and useless garbage. Those things don't pay the bills or defend the nation. The one item they neglect when immigration is debated is the purpose of it to begin with. It is for the benefit of this country. Didn't it ever occur to any of them the reason for the restrictions based on moral character, professions, and the number of them permitted to apply? Is it such a wonder that someone who already demonstrated their inability to follow rules might be called to task for it and not be granted the privilege. That a waiver should not be assumed granted just because it was applied for. Is it so wrong for our country to just say no? How many times do we have to say no before they stop?

Just in case anyone missed it. Immigration is for the benefit of this country. Not to confuse this with it should be assumed a benefit for it to continue the way it is. What it means is who ever is permitted in is done so because it benefits the country.

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you are on the money....illegal alien supporters refuse to acknowledge the simple fact that the US of A can and should regulate who comes here and for what purpose, that standards are established and regulated for LEGAL immigration (LEGAL, proudusc, in case you were nodding off)...and not one of these weepy whiny illegal alien supporters can produce a single fact as to why we should reward illegals with anything except a one way ticket back to their own country...all this blather about 'compassion' and 'hard workers' is just worthless nonsense....any reward other than the boot only cheapens a green card...

You know S12, sometimes I even like you.
Even though you don't know your geography and the fact that Poland is actually in Central Europe, not Eastern.
Btw, the whole time I thought by EET you meant Extraterrestial Entity Treasure.
Partially you were right, I am an alien and don't belong on this planet.

You only don't belong in the US of A....

I see, so you are allowing me to enter planet earth and settle down here?
Thank you...