Fascist..

Let the US continue its policies, then your kids will be fighting a bearded man for the next ten thousand years. Islamic fundamentals aren't after the American way of life= ****, homosexuality, bigotry of the conservatives, booze and multiple partners. The are resenting this need by the US to promote itself as a perfect country which all should aspire to be like. Why would Muslims want to be confronted by skimpy clad women, southern racists oppressing minorities and denying them a right to vote. Can u imagine any country in the world giving its citizens a right to vote through an amendment? For blacks, they need a law for another 25 yrs to be able to vote, but you have the nuts to tell me that you can promote democracy. I wonder why these people aren't treated as equal citizens .. I know why.... they aren't caucasian...

Common... There are good aspects of the US, and you saw that when Clinton was in Office. The world populace loved the Americans,because Clinton understood and spoke English, and could speak with world leaders and agree on issues which advance world peace and security. However, for Bush, it is all about the evil doers. Hence, I said, this is hypocracy at its peak. For example, he is against arbotion but support death penalty. Basically, the unborn you are fighting for his right to be born, as a grown-up became a criminal, and needs to be executed. So, you now want him to be killed cause he's a criminal. Moreover, he was a governor of the state with the lowest achievement score in school grade, so what do you expect. What makes matters worse is that he doesn't speak English.

Anti-Fasc... embrace these stupid idealogies and policies and your b.a.l.l.s will be on a fence, and your entire body blown to pieces by these fundamentalist. There are two things which I have a concern about now: an angry muslim man with a hard-on, and ready for 72 virgins, the security of world peace entrusted on Bush's brain... grave situation.

If you are lazy enough not to read OP , then why would I want to waste my time reiterating what I stated before?

Fascist is just echoing the world's warlord Bush. I'm ashamed of having two cousins in the military service one of whom is in Iraq. Whenever I meet them, I'm not afraid to tell them that they're fighting a wrong war. If they get killed, I'm not sure if I would regret.

My love for the rest of the world and my fight for justice and principle prevail over my being an American. When I speak up against the war, I'm no less than American. When I criticize Bush and the US foreign policy, I'm no less American.
Yes, we should be all united as one America; but true unity can only be achieved if we are true to ourselves and do the right thing. Being in Iraq all these years and now using Israel as proxy in Lebanon are not the right things.

Dig into your ignorance.
But beware: if US pulls out of Iraq now this would be interpreted as defeat and weakness of US - and then much bigger and bloodier wars would have to be fought by your children and grandchildren to stop what can be dealt with with relatively less sacrifices and costs now.

What I stated above is a CONCLUSION THAT NO REASONABLE HUMAN BEING CAN SERIOUSLY DISPUTE, no matter what your personal justification for what you say is.

Anti-Fascist...

Why aren't you in Iraq finishing off the war? If you experience how it feels to hold an M-16, and they heavy uniform, grenades, and 125 degree heat, maybe you small-minded could be redeemed. Bush already declared victory couple of months after the conflict had started. So, are you waiting for a second declaration of victory with an insurgent head on a stick?

However, gruesome- the above is not far from the American view of the world. Abu-Ghraib gave us a sample of their high ethical standards. Listen man, let these boys pack-up and come home, so that they can be integrated back into the society, which will be much harder than they will ever experience. War is a traumatic and life-altering experience, and you are so stupid to realize that most of this people suffer when they come back to the US. First, the DoD molest them by cutting their benefits, reducing their salaries. Secondly, the Veterans Affairs rape them of their benefits. Thirdly, they are forever looking for an insurgent in every corner, even when they are back in the US. So, it is a very very devastating experience to be in the Armed forces. Woe to those who kill children, because the explosion of a child's head as crushed by an M-16 bullet will haunt them forever (and rightly so!).

If you want to finish the war, then you are going to pay for it dearly. China owns the US as it is the financer of this foolish misadventures. So, your grandchildren already have a debt, before they are born due to Bush's bravado.

A withdrawal doesn't necessarily mean a sign of weakness and cowardice. A man if he's indeed a man knows how to back off from a fight or apologize for his mistakes. You're now implying and even admitting that this Iraq War is wrong but the US cannot back out now...not this early. Is reputation and shame more important than saving lives and properties? And by the way, didn't the US also withdraw from Vietnam War?

It's only because of Americans and people like AF why there are wars. Their war freak mind causes all this conflict. It's one thing to be patriotic and another thing to be fair and just. Years from now our children and grandchildren would remember and look back at today and say "hey, they were wrong." Just like we now say to Vietnam War. At that time, people like AF also insisted it was for national interest. It's a shame even to admit we lost the Vietnam War.

[quote]You're now implying and even admitting that this Iraq War is wrong[/quote]

Where did I say or imply such thing other than in imagination of your mind?

[quote]A man if he's indeed a man knows how to back off from a fight or apologize for his mistakes.[/quote]

US is not a 'man' or 'woman' BUT A STATE.
Do you understand the concepts such as "State", 'Politics', "Foreign Policty' and etc.?

[quote]A withdrawal doesn't necessarily mean a sign of weakness and cowardice[/quote]

A full withdrawal in the middle of military campaign without sound victory is called "DEFEAT", no matter what you want to call it.

It would be VERY BAD MILITARY DECISION WITH VERY GRAVE CONSEQUENCES.


[quote]Is reputation and shame more important than saving lives and properties?[/quote]

Read what I write, d.umbass, instead of projecting what is inside your empty head.


[quote]And by the way, didn't the US also withdraw from Vietnam War?[/quote]

Yes it did, and thus WASTED all the lives that were sacrificed in that war (tens of thousands of US soldiers).
Who knows, if US didn't withdraw then, the N.Korean crisis wouldn't exist today..

[quote]You think we're not smart enough to figure it out?[/quote]

No, you are not, iperson.
Your 'wiring' is indeed very primitive.
If I believed Theory of Evolution , I would say I am about 100.000 years more advanced than you are, and that's by very conservative estimates.

Trust me, I am not making fun of or poking at you.
It's just a matter of fact..

AF, if the US didn't withdraw from Vietnam, there would be no US today. The only time and battle the US won in Vietnam was the May Lai Massacre.

Iperson, I second the motion about AF. The only thing he knows is to call people names and talks about s h i t. Do you think it's worth it to be discussing with this j e r k ? Why if we just ignore him once and for all?

[quote]You think the moment you say something it immediately becomes reality, just because you say so. Are you god? I bet you think that.[/quote]

what a wonderful description of yourself !

[quote]You and I both know I exposed the wizard hiding behind the throne a couple of times[/quote]

The one whose foolishness exposed dozen times is you, poor thing.
As to my posts - they are the granite , you will always break your teeth by biting

Are you applying your "power of suggestion" knowledge at us, AF? It won't work dude.

It's beyond any doubt that you are utterly incapable of comprehending what it is that I am trying to convey .

Of course we know what you're trying to convey...that the war in Iraq and Lebanon are right...and that Bush and his cohorts are right...and that killing people and destroying properties are right. But sorry...we all know that all those are very wrong.

What I convey re: ME, WG and Foreign Policy is clearly reflected on my OP and subsequent replies under this thread.

Anyone can read over and see for themselves what I actually said.

Here I am come, the most super-puper-intelligent poster of this forum - look how these poopsterheads are forced to resort to silence, incapable of arguing their points with me on merits !

AF, patriotism can be a nice ideal, but it is also the last refuge of the scoundrel.

macyuhoo, I could say that you are a greenhorned lizard with the tail of brontosaur, now would it make you so?

Empty words in absence of valid argument to back it up are just that - empty words.

I , on the other hand, always put my time and effort and rely on credible evidence to advance my point of view.
The OP and many of my replies under this(and other) thread are granite that you will always break your teeth on.


But if you still refuse to see facts as they are and for what they are and if you call my reasonable conclusions based on those facts to be the 'refuge of scoundrel', then you surely are nothing but a poopsterhead.

And I was saying that all along as well.

Poopsterhead...

I should have ignored you as iperson has reminded. Up to this point, I have not read any valid point or argument from you about the Lebanon crisis. All I got were name callings and profanities. You're just a Mountain Jew disguised as AF.