I'm surprised noone is posting info on Dream Act amendment. We have a Latino dropout rate that is very high and part of the reason for this may be the large number of undocumented young Latinos see little use in continueing their education because they are unable to afford out of state tuition. The Dream Act would partly remedy this situation. Many of these kids were brought here by their parents when they had no part in the decision. These kids should not be wasted. Let's give them the chance to go on to college at a reasonable cost and we all win. They wein because they better their lives and we all win because they are not burdens on society and are productive members of our communities.
I hope you will all call your state Senators this week and encourage them to vote FOR the Durban/Hagel Dream Act amendent.
1. STATE SENATORS represent you in your home state. They are NOT the Senators in Washington DC that would vote on National matters such as immigration; that would be your US SENATOR. For God's sake please understand the structure of our government.
2. It is a myth that we need a nation of college graduates and a college education is the only way to succeed. I myself have several degrees including a Doctorate's degree. Most of my blue collar friends make much more money than me; usually they make in excess of $150K per year. The richest men in the world never graduated college (Bill Gates, Larry Ellison to name a couple). Police offficers, small business owners, plumbers, electricians, construction workers, etc.... all make much more (more than double) than the average college graduate and generally do not require college degrees.
3. The Dream Act (it wuld be a second) one is never going to pass. It was a nightmare the first time. Why waste efforts on the Dream Act when immigration activists should work for a comprehensive immmigration reform bill that would alleviate the burden on millions of people rather than helping a handful? Also it is NOT an amendment but a bill. An amendment requires 2/3 of the states to amend the Constitution and this law does not require the Constitution to be changed.
How can you make such misstatements about the basic structure of our country and then cry that you want to be part of it?
Those handful ones are children whose lives should not be wasted. They are the precarious age when life is decided, whether it will be successful or a failure. They cannot wait. But I agree a comprehensive reform should be, but it isn't. And so far, it won't be considered in the foreseeable future. I saw a Democrat estimate another attempt at an immigration reform for 2013.
Darkforce---My quote refers to "your state(s) senators" not state senators. May I was not specific enough but I meant call the Senators from your state that represent you in Washington. Thanks for the clarification. CALL NOW to express your support for the Dream Act amendment. It really is important.
Darkforce. O.K. It should be U S Senators from your state.
Now for your number 2 and 3.
2. I completely agree, not all need a college education. But for those that want to practice medicice, etc one must go to higher education. Lets let thse that wish to contribute in this way have the chance.
3. Yes, there was a Dream Act and it failed. Now there is a Dream Act amendment introduced this week in the U S Senate. You need to keep up a little better.
Yeah, Darkforce, here's the exact excerpt: "The Senate is scheduled to resume debate this week on the Department of Defense authorization bill (H.R. 1585), which was pulled from the floor in July. Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (D-IL) is expected to offer the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act (DREAM Act) as an amendment to the bill when it eventually comes to the floor. The DREAM Act would facilitate access to college for immigrant students in the U.S and provide a path to permanent residence for ambitious immigrant youth who were brought to the U.S. as young children and who want to pursue higher education or military service."
Yeah, Chuck, posters should be careful with their information especially if delivered on a public forum, well, with an air of, what's the word.....? arrogance!
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Theone-- I have a personal stake in one such youth that was an honor student in H.S. and wants to go to medical school and the Dream Act amendment is important to him. Even if it effects only a few don't you think it's important? Maybe the school in your area doesn't encourage the students. Here we do.
The DREAM Act is indeed being proposed as an Amendment to the Defense Appropriations Bill. It is now considered an Amendment to a bill, nothing to do with a "constitutional amendment"...
But more importantly perhaps, the House is holding hearings on STRIVE. A little too late if you ask me.
In al honesty, I don't think DREAM Act will pass, they didn't even vote to grant the troops a little more time home! But CIR is just a matter of time, it will eventually pass.
Originally posted by chuck: I'm surprised noone is posting info on Dream Act amendment. We have a Latino dropout rate that is very high and part of the reason for this may be the large number of undocumented young Latinos see little use in continueing their education because they are unable to afford out of state tuition. The Dream Act would partly remedy this situation. Many of these kids were brought here by their parents when they had no part in the decision. These kids should not be wasted. Let's give them the chance to go on to college at a reasonable cost and we all win. They wein because they better their lives and we all win because they are not burdens on society and are productive members of our communities.
I hope you will all call your state Senators this week and encourage them to vote FOR the Durban/Hagel Dream Act amendent.
Thank you for helping. Chuck
You are experiencing the political gridlock that usually occurs when election time comes around. No Congressman/woman or US Senator will unnecessarily expose themselves to lost votes. They will blame the other side for everything and anything. For me, I personally believe in the dream act. It allows the students not pay for the sins of their parents while continuing to develop the US collegiate resource.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
2. It is a myth that we need a nation of college graduates and a college education is the only way to succeed. I myself have several degrees including a Doctorate's degree. Most of my blue collar friends make much more money than me; usually they make in excess of $150K per year. The richest men in the world never graduated college (Bill Gates, Larry Ellison to name a couple). Police offficers, small business owners, plumbers, electricians, construction workers, etc.... all make much more (more than double) than the average college graduate and generally do not require college degrees.
Well, I think you might want to get a refund on your education degrees because you cannot spell worth spit. Better yet, don't apply where math or science s required, the Asians will eat you alive.
The ability to "make money" has more to do with the timing of the business. Take a look at Steve Jobs for instance. Smart guy, smart business man, but ever since he left Apple, he has never had the success as he did with Apple.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darkforce: OK let us clarify somethings folks.
I myself have several degrees including a Doctorate's degree. Most of my blue collar friends make much more money than me; usually they make in excess of $150K per year. [QUOTE]
They make more money than you because they're not wasting time opening up worthless topics about brides and fraud such as you do 24/7s.
Originally posted by SunDevilUSA: ...I think that this would be better referred to as the Bad-Dream Act - as the only ones who would get the shaft would be the American people.(Quote)
Bad-dream Act is cute but not helpful to the discussion. Please explain to me why the American people would get the shaft if a minority kid went to college to earn a degree so he/she could contribute to our community?
Hispanics fail to graduate high school at startling rates for reasons that have NOTHING to do with whether the Bad-Dream Act passes or doesn't pass.
Since you seem to know so much about the reasons for the high Hispanic drop out rate and the Dream Act has nothing to do with it, just what are the reasons for the high rate?
My previous post should have shown the word quote after Sundevils quote as follows:
Hispanics fail to graduate high school at startling rates for reasons that have NOTHING to do with whether the Bad-Dream Act passes or doesn't pass.(Quote)
Since you seem to know so much about the reasons for the high Hispanic drop out rate and the Dream Act has nothing to do with it, just what are the reasons for the high rate?
Chuck: I resent you playing the race card in this discussion, by asking why it's bad if a "minority kid" goes to college. I'm a great advocate of all Americans and legal immigrants going to college, regardless of their ethnicity.
The issue here is ILLEGAL immigration, and whether America should reward those who have disregarded the rule-of-law and the country's sovereignty by providing a college education for the children that they brought illegally from a foreign country.
Originally posted by SunDevilUSA: Chuck: I resent you playing the race card in this discussion, by asking why it's bad if a "minority kid" goes to college. I'm a great advocate of all Americans and legal immigrants going to college, regardless of their ethnicity.
The issue here is ILLEGAL immigration, and whether America should reward those who have disregarded the rule-of-law and the country's sovereignty by providing a college education for the children that they brought illegally from a foreign country.
SunDevil, Chuck never used the race card. You, however, used disparaging remarks about an ethnicity while completely misunderstanding the details which you spoke in a gross generalized tone. This table shows the trend of dropouts from 1972 to 2001. If you would notice, in all categories, the dropout rate has dropped, even though the Hispanic population has a higher tendency for dropouts. The reason for this has to do with socio-economic factors, not immigration, legal or illegal. But if you also look at the trend, the percentages have dropped. Or you can look at this scholarly article, "High School Dropouts: A Review of Issues and Evidence" by Russell W. Rumberger in the Review of Educational Research, Vol. 57, No. 2 (Summer, 1987), pp. 101-12.
What the Dream Act does is reward the sons and daughters, who came here at a young age and without the ability to understand the consequences of their parents decision, to be allowed to continue their education after they complete high school and without the legal requirement to return back to the home country that they know very little or nothing about. It is a harsh rule that immigration law does not allow this type of adjustment, even for F visa.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." John Adams on Defense of the boston Massacre
Originally posted by SunDevilUSA: ...I think that this would be better referred to as the Bad-Dream Act - as the only ones who would get the shaft would be the American people.
Hispanics fail to graduate high school at startling rates for reasons that have NOTHING to do with whether the Bad-Dream Act passes or doesn't pass.
You, SunDevil, started playing the race card with your last paragraph - targeting Hispanics, again. Same old tired rhetoric!!!
I agree with Hudson and others that the children of illegal immigrants should not be made to pay for the mistakes of their parents. They should be allowed to attend college - and should be allowed to do so with in-state tuition rates if the situation applies.
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