Hi,

I am in a bit of bind here, so knowledgeable folks please lend a hand.

I am a Canadian citizen with US green card and my N400 is pending. Recently an argument with my spouse got out of hand. Long story short, I was arrested and charged with domestic battery. My lawyer indicated he might be able to get it down to simple battery charge. My court date is coming up in a few weeks. Now my questions are as follows:

1. If I leave US (with court permission), is it likely that I would run into problem reentering US? In other words, would my "arrest record" (no conviction) be visible to border agents at airport or land crossings?

2. What is the implication of a conviction on "simple" battery on my US citizenship application?

Thanks
David

Ahhhh haaa, maybe we don't want you coming here and beating on our women. Don't let the door hit you on the a s s on the way out.

Instead of looking here for immigration help look here instead.

http://www.safehome-ks.org/abuse/edu/dviolence/cycle.htm

This message has been edited. Last edited by: davdah,

i agree with u davdah

you guys are getting awfully judgemental here without knowing the specifics about my case. In fact my wife hit me first. My concern is the impact on our 3 kids who were born here. I am the only one working in the family. It is going to be rough on the kids if things get out of hand.

If you have nothing good to say, I suggest you say nothing.

David

until you know the charge is just simple not domestic, and you have the conviction record you can leave, but ur citizenship app, I think will be denied for discretion, then apply again in 5 yrs.

Hello, Ottawa,

Make sure the attorney you're dealing with on the criminal matter is also familiar with immigration law...if he's not, I'd go ahead and consult an immigration attorney, too, just to make sure the proposed plea deal doesn't kick you down the road. Too many immigration problems result where someone retains counsel on a criminal matter--and that person might very well be qualified in criminal law--but where immigration expertise is lacking. I don't want to scare you, because I don't have enough facts to say, but I think your case is one where a potentially bad result could happen if you're not careful.

While this article is dated, I think it is still relevant in pointing to the potential seriousness of what could happen:

http://www.visalaw.com/99nov/19nov99.html (See entire article for detail) --

quote:

Two decisions handed down on September 29, 1999 remind us how vulnerable noncitizens are under our immigration laws. Conviction of a relatively minor crime for most of us might result in nothing more than a period of probation. For the noncitizen, it could amount to an "aggravated felony" and mandate removal (deportation) from the United States without judicial review, even for a lawful permanent resident who has lived in the United States for decades and has close U.S. family ties.

At minimum, under INA sec. 101(a)(43)(F), the offense you describe can be considered a "crime of violence." If, then, the MAXIMUM penalty for the offense is under a year, regardless of the actual period of confinement, I'd make sure with an immigration attorney this will be all right...but for sure, if the maximum penalty is a year or longer, you'd likely trigger the "aggravated felony" ground of removability. This goes beyond messing up the N-400, and goes straight to your ability to even remain in the U.S. at all.

Except for the first paragraph, none of the above is meant to be legal advice. All I can say by way of advice is this: The best thing you can do, before you accept a plea deal, or plead guilty to anything, is consult with an immigration lawyer ASAP -- not just with your criminal lawyer (unless you're sure he is also competent in immigration law).

(Note: Editing solely to correct bad grammar)

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Admittiedly, yes judgmental. But you did come out and confess the crime. Take a step back and look at what happened. Did this happen before? Did you feel provoked? Since this happened so close to a benchmark in your citizenship there may be more to this.
Take a closer look at your relationship.

davdah,

I know where you were going. This never happened before, and yes I was provoked. Not that it is any of your business, my wife is Canadian too and she got her greencard based on my application. And please save the "our women" BS.

David.

Teletype, I appreciate your advice very much!

Thanks.
David.

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Originally posted by JF2007:
until you know the charge is just simple not domestic, and you have the conviction record you can leave, but ur citizenship app, I think will be denied for discretion, then apply again in 5 yrs.

Hi JF2007 - thanks for your posting.

Just to clarify, if I take a quick trip back home prior to conviction, dismissal or whatever result we work out eventually, i would NOT likely run into issues with INS upon re-entering US. Is my understanding correct? I don't mind going back permanently, I just don't want to be stranded at the border before I take care of affairs here in US.

Not our business? You posted the story and asked for input. What did you expect? You didn't say she was Canadian at first so the 'bs' comment is out of line. Still, if you know where I am going, take a look anyhow. Especially if it really was provoked. You may also want to talk to a family law attorney specifically about that issue. Aside from that both of you should go see a marriage counselor.

I was asking for input on immigration implication, not your self-righteous preaching. This is an immigration board, is it not?

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Originally posted by davdah:
Not our business? You posted the story and asked for input. What did you expect? You didn't say she was Canadian at first so the 'bs' comment is out of line. Still, if you know where I am going, take a look anyhow. Especially if it really was provoked. You may also want to talk to a family law attorney specifically about that issue. Aside from that both of you should go see a marriage counselor.

I'm not a preacher and it does have to do with immigration in its entirety. Have a sister who had a beater for a boy friend. Anyhow, not to rain on the parade. If you don't think it was a set up proceed as normal. Otherwise prepare for more.

this ottowan clown should pick on someone his own size...what a wimp...beating up a woman because she slapped you? Wow...you must be awfully brave....why don't you take a swing at one of us (men)? Because your b a l l s are the size of peanuts.

Someone12,

It's not OK for a woman to abuse a man and then hide behind the "I am a woman" rethoric.

Abuse is Abuse, period.

Note: I am not making any judgment on the guy, just adding my 2 cents to Someone12' comments.

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Originally posted by Someone12:
this ottowan clown should pick on someone his own size...what a wimp...beating up a woman because she slapped you? Wow...you must be awfully brave....why don't you take a swing at one of us (men)? Because your b a l l s are the size of peanuts.

Sir, your comments were not only off topic, but also simplistic, sexist and in short stupid.

What happened with me that night is not something I am proud of and I am trying to deal with it the best way I can. But before you judge me can you honestly say you never have over-reacted after a few drinks and after being provoked?

I assume you are either an American citizen or striving to be one because of your participation of this board, then you ought to familiarize yourself with a basic concept that is supposed to be cherished in this country - a man is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Lastly why are you so obsessed with the size of other men's b a ll s? This is usually the indication of your own insecurity.

David.

Ottawa,

Again, I would double-check with an immigration attorney on this (sorry for sounding like a broken record), but I think that so long as your case is pending, then at the border crossing you technically have no convictions and therefore should have no grounds for removability.

to OP the woman beater- sorry, but I have never struck a woman for any reason....you are just a pathetic wimp...you'd probably back down from a sixth-grader if he lunged at you....wimp wimp wimp.

To the OP. If your going to quote things you see on TV 'innocent until proven guilty' You should have listened to the rest of the show. 'You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can, and WILL be used against you in a court of law...' However, since your not a citizen. You do not have a right to free council in the event you can't afford it.

I'll go ahead and forward this entire posting to them. They like public confessions.

This is probably an appropriate time to state something for the record. I'm not here to defend anyone's bad acts. I hope for Ottawa's sake that he didn't do anything terrible to his spouse, or I'd probably come down hard on him too. There's just not enough information from his original post to be able to say. Even one of his later posts ("she hit me first") doesn't really go to the severity of what happened.

For example, I've watched some television also, and I distinctly recall an episode from "COPS" a number of years ago where officers were called on a domestic disturbance, but where the parties did nothing more than throw food and eggs at each other. Strange thing was, I think someone still got arrested. (Perhaps the eggs were rotten?)

A situation leading to a domestic violence charge can run the spectrum from the seemingly absurd example I just mentioned to one where both parties are at fault (perhaps a "he said/she said" kind of case). Sadly, you also have the cases were one spouse truly is at fault and he (or perhaps she) is really endangering the other spouse and/or the children.

We may never know where in the spectrum this incident lies. Again, I hope for Ottawa's sake that it's not something horrible. I'm simply not assuming that at this point. I'll leave that determination to an appropriate fact-finder (i.e., the judge or jury).