Ah davdah's on the "sense of entitlement" track again

Here's what I don't understand. You can own a gun because the Constitution says so but not have a right to affordable healthcare. Something is wrong with this picture. Very wrong.

No no no, CIR is another matter. We can discuss it in another thread if you wish. You're dodging, twisting, and spinning out of the main point of contention. Defend your position that the GOP had the winning ticket had they not been robbed of their sure victory.

No,no, and no again. That wasn't my point at all. Slowly, ok. Here we go. To guess at what the outcome would have been with all candidates being legitimate is impossible.

Given it would have been repub or dem, there is a 50/50 chance either way. I don't disagree with who got elected as mush as the process that allowed him to be elected in the first place. An error unchecked will generally produce a continual stream of mistakes.

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Originally posted by Brit4064:
Ah davdah's on the "sense of entitlement" track again

Here's what I don't understand. You can own a gun because the Constitution says so but not have a right to affordable healthcare. Something is wrong with this picture. Very wrong.

You're saying there is something wrong with the constitution? A right to health care? You question my entitlement charge of the democrat mindset? You just made the case, thank you.

Concerning guns. When those you govern are armed you are less likely to become a tyrant. A good idea.

I was drawing a parallel between the right to own a gun yet not having a right to healthcare. One kills and the other doesn't. Doesn't seem right to me for a country that prides itself on celebrating life do you think not?

The framers were concerned with liberty and freedom. Measures were put in place to thwart or at least slow the creeping affect of an intrusive government. Hence, the second amendment.

Medicine is a privately performed service. It has nothing to do with the purpose of government. The only reason it has risen to the forefront is it's cost. If clothing became exponentially more costly the argument would center around the government's supposed obligation to provide that.

It seems to me when people become fearful of their own ability to provide they instinctively turn to this imagined patron. To that end you become more and more indebted to it and in the process give up the framers intent. There is a cost to every benefit.

This is the summary distinction between the dems and repubs. Dems on average see nothing wrong with receiving benefit at the cost of freedom. An increase in government is created by each and every piece of legislation. These laws are designed for some form of protection and by the same stroke of the pen limit your ability to function outside it's control. Repubs gravitate towards smaller and less intrusive government parentage. We want more liberty and less tangible benefits. The belief is we would rather it be left to our own efforts to provide. The struggle becomes rights and freedoms or benefits and entitlements.

You want cheap medicine? I listened to obama's speeches. There was one phrase I was keen to. The rest of it mumbo jumbo since the biggest cost is on account of one action. Tort reform. Fix that and medical costs will drop. To the point you won't need papa barak to pay for it.

Next time you visit your doctor, ask him/her the cost of litigation on medicine. Assuming they don't panic and ask you to leave. You might be surprised at what you hear. Next, think for a moment. If this is such a high cost item, why didn't Barry mention this as an element under consideration? One sentence in law would fix it. There shall be no punitive award permitted in an action when there is an issue or element of medicine or medical practice involved. Or words to that affect.

I don't think the Founding Fathers had healthcare for all in mind when they wrote the Constitution. They were more concerned with the then recent Revolution which is why they added the right to bear arms in.

That said, I'm pretty sure if they were around now, they'd be horrified. That's the problem. Apart from a few amendments, the Constitution is much as it was when it was written. It's outdated now. Heathcare for all should be a Right. It won't come for free but what does?

What if I don't want it? What`if I want the government to stop expanding and stay within the confines of our constitution? It is not out of date. Those same desired principles existed 1000 years ago and still do today. Freedom or slavery, which do you prefer?

The framers were all about personal responsibility. That is the cost of freedom. They could just have easily created a socialist government. There were needs then, even medical. It could very well have been included as a right. Along with a right to eat. A right to drink. A right to a place to sleep. Common things left out, why? It's the price of freedom.

It isn't cheap because it is the most valuable of all commodities. Those who have the means and desire to protect themselves will. More jobs will be shipped overseas. You believe your medical card be a right? How much more determined is he who stands to lose?

Haven't you noticed already? With each new entitlement came losses of another sort. Factories closed, stores downsized, and hours were cut. No matter what, in the end, the drive to mitigate encroachment will supersede the ambition for ill gotten gains. It's the natural order of things and unavoidable. What makes this country unique is anyone can achieve. No birthright or cast system mandated from birth. From trailer trash to billionaire, its all possible and realistically within reach. Point is, welfare is slavery, and I won't have it.

This is interesting and how many feel.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

Maybe some of you should read this.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12281

Maybe take a look at all articles under this writer's bio

http://canadafreepress.com/ind...bers/12281/Williams/

This is how many feel and they won't let American go down without a fight. I am not suggesting violence or war.

Maybe this one will make Iperson take a leap.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12327

Maybe this will wake a few up

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/11153

You just said it davdah. "What if I don't want it?" Me, myself, I. You're a slave to money and wealth, not freedom as you call it.

If you haven't already noticed, the US is becoming a warehouse economy and it's nothing to do with the cost of a sense of entitlement causing it. The same thing happened in the UK during the 1980s. Old industry was dropped in favor of retail and service industry which generally pays less.

Aww good ole socialized medicine.

My son would not have lived through it.

And you want this for our nation?

Watch it and weep as I do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ture=player_embedded

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Originally posted by Brit4064:
You just said it davdah. "What if I don't want it?" Me, myself, I. You're a slave to money and wealth, not freedom as you call it.

If you haven't already noticed, the US is becoming a warehouse economy and it's nothing to do with the cost of a sense of entitlement causing it. The same thing happened in the UK during the 1980s. Old industry was dropped in favor of retail and service industry which generally pays less.

Making money or having wealth is servitude? On what planet? Being free is the ability to decide ones own fate. To use your own abilities to do for yourself and family as you see fit. It's I decide. Slavery is having your needs met by an authoritative figure who makes the decision for you as to what you will have, when you will have it, and how much you shall have. Not for me. It's akin to being a renter or owner. If you rent, the landlord decides what plants will be grown in the yard, what color the building will be, and what temperature the water will run at. As an owner, you decide all those things. That is freedom.

And what is stopping anyone from being independent and making those choices for them self? In this society, so far, it's the individual. That is, up until obamanation came along. The earl of entitlements. The messiah of mass spending. The duke of debt. A planned oligarchy I want no part of.

I'll have to check this out to see if it is true.

Can you believe denying health care to people with dementia is being considered?


Washington politicians propose to cut health care costs by denying care and squeezing hospitals and doctors. Zeke Emanuel, Rahm Emanuel's brother, and key architect of the Obama health plan, argues for the ‘just allocation of health resources’ (ie rationing) in a way that ensures future generations are of the best mental and physical health. To do so, Dr. Emanuel cites that health services should not be guaranteed to “individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens…” He continues, “An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.”

Writing in The Lancet in January 2009, Dr. Emanuel describes the ‘complete lives system’ (CLS) he developed:

The complete lives system discriminates against older people…
Unlike allocation by *** or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years. Treating 65-year-olds differently because of stereotypes or falsehoods would be ageist; treating them differently because they have already had more life-years is not.


CLS strives to save the most ‘life-years’ versus the most ‘lives’. Perhaps this explains why the strongest opposition to a Washington-run health system comes from voters 65 and older. June 22nd national survey from James Carville’s Democracy Corps finds 54% of seniors ‘oppose’ White House health plans, versus 14% who ‘strongly favor’.

Are these the values we want undergirding our health care system? Forward Dr. Emanuel’s comments to your friends, family and Senators. Visit Campfire Blog and share your comments. If you think insurance companies are heartless wait until the government starts making your health care decisions. You can sue an insurance company, what about Uncle Sam?

For America,


AND FOR YOU YOUNG KNOW IT ALLS YOU HAVE PARANTS YOU WILL HAVE TO CARE FOR WITH NO HELP FROM THE GREAT ONE

Aww the Newest Edition of the Ten Commandments

THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ACCORDING TO OBAMA

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I. Thou shalt have no God in America, except for me. For we are no longer a Christian nation and, after all, I am the chosen One. (And like God, I do not have a birth certificate.)

II. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, unless it is my face carved on Mt. Rushmore.

III. Thou shalt not utter my middle name in vain. Only I can say Barack Hussein Obama.

IV. Remember tax day, April 15th, to keep it holy.

V. Honour thy father and thy mother until they are too old and sick to care for. They will cost our public-funded health-care system too much money.

VI. Thou shalt not kill, unless you have an unwanted, unborn baby. For it would be an abomination to punish your daughter with a baby.

VII. Thou shalt not commit adultery if you are a conservative or Republican. liberals and Democrats are hereby forgiven for all of their infidelity and immorality, but the careers of conservatives will be forever destroyed.

VIII. Thou shalt not steal, unless you've been elected to public office. Only then is it acceptable to take money from hard-working, successful citizens and give it to those who do not work, illegal immigrants, or those do not have the motivation to better their own lives.

IX. Thou shalt not discriminate against any group unless they are conservative, Caucasian, or Christian.

X. Thou shalt not covet because it is simply unnecessary. I will place such a heavy tax burden on those that have achieved the American Dream that, by the end of my term as President, nobody will have any wealth or material goods left for you to covet.

Now this is the truth for all to hear.

http://excellenceinamerica.com/?p=640

Opps forgot to tell you it's about Cap and Trade