All the CPR variants I have seen would not give Amnesty to all, most seem to have a 3 year presence requirement.
So if you assume 20m potential applicants, 5m or so would not be eligible for presence or due to criminal activity etc.
PS I have heard it said that in any Amnesty they would need to go to the back of the line, F4 Phillipines?, 20 odd years.
Any Guest Worker program will have limits, and it seems unlikely it would or could be limited to those from Mexico, so many would go to say Chinese and Indians. So that still leaves the pressure from the south.And Guest Worker implies they are going back, nothing would be further from the truth.
There is of course nothing to stop adequate measures being put in place now, but there is not the political will and I can not see anything changing anytime soon.
And of course the need is for people to do jobs Americans will not do, legalising those doing the jobs now will just create more opportunities for illegals.
I can see no reason why if you are going to go down that path you would not need to do it every 10 years,and of course with that knowledge more people will come and wait it out, self feeding.
Probably a lot to be said in the circumstances for just doing nothing.
i am going to get some lashings for this comment but here goes, and i am anxious to hear some comments. If every few years the sitting president approves some sort of amnesty then what is to deter people coming here illegally and just playing the waiting game. They might not be eligible today, but maybe by the time the next one comes around then they are? Is amnesty the answer or is a revamp of the whole system the answer? An amnesty solves the problem for today but creates another for tomorrow.
It condones those that employ in terrible conditions and pay. The government is actually recruiting these people. It gives hope to those risking their lives gettting in here in the first place. Is that really the answer. And to say no then what is
There is a legal process for immigrating to America, a process that some assert is "broken."
I disagree that America's immigration system is broken. The United States allows 1,000,000 (one million) legal immigrants EVERY year. That is not a system that is broken.
Simply because 12,000,000+ individuals have decided that they're too important to follow the law and have immigrated ILLEGALLY does NOT mean that the immigration system is broken.
Furthermore, no matter how many legal immigrants are allowed to enter every year, there are a limitless number who still want to come. The fact that other countries are worthless and their people can't wait to leave does NOT mean that America's immigration system is broken.
One more thing: America needs to tell Mexico to mind its own business, and stop meddling in America's internal affairs. If Mexico worried more about Mexico, perhaps its people wouldn't be trekking through the desert to escape.
This is all a matter of public record and I am wondering why Newsday has not looked into this and why Jack is hurting the hardworking law abiding taxpayer who has voted for him.
Another source of frustration is Jack and his wife Pat supporting anti illegal immigration laws when he himself uses illegal immigrants on his property to clean and landscape his yard.
why do u say Mexico, yes the problem is with Mexico but its not just Mexicans that are here illegal. I think there would be a lot of Mexicans taking offence at that remark. There is a problem with Immigration all over the world by all nationalities. Its a fact.
Actually saying this "The fact that other countries are worthless and their people can't wait to leave" is quite a pathetic argument isnt it. People come to America because its seen as the land of opportunity. Its not saying thier country of origin is ****. Another example how many brides of come over here, and leave everything behind, breaking off all ties leaving themselves penniless to be with the loves of their lives and they get dumped. And no where to go because maybe they had kids etc.... Yeah there are black sheep. thats why were human
12,000,000 illegals. Its probably more than that!!! The immigration system is broken because it is unable to control it. Abusing it is not the answer either. But instead of bashing it, how about giving a solution.
The rumor is, according to this web site, that instead of a brand new bill the new starting point will be the SJC markup that was produced last year. While this particular bill is much better than the final product passed by the Senate, the bill concentrates on legalizations and leaves substantial reform aside.
The only substantial change is the addition of a guest worker program, but that aside, one must remember that the bill was designed to be reconciled against H.R.4437, and that's no longer the case.
Why bother to produce a bill that's going to offer legal status to millions but fails to address the cause of illegal immigration in the first place? That's comparable to offering some pain killers to a child with a broken leg and discharging him without taking x-rays and fixing the broken bones.
A few points that must be addressed by the reform section of any new bill are, in my humble opinion:
- Expanding judicial review to once again cover abuse of discretion. - Rationalization of the waiver authority to provide relief to relatives of citizens. - Bringing back the concept of "aggravated" to the definition of "aggravated felony" - Restoring respect for the criminal courts when it comes to convictions and sentences imposed. - Eliminating the prostitution-related waivers when the offenses are clearly done willfully and for profit. - Eliminating special relief for some aliens from Caribbean countries. Equal protection has to mean something. - Eliminating TPS once and for all. - Eliminating degrading mechanisms that are intrusive upon the lives of citizens seeking a benefit for a family member. - Modernizing the affidavit of support requirement to include potential income of the alien who holds a college or university degree. - Considering rehabilitation-based relief. - Removing the "discretionary" part when considering some mechanisms for relief.
Most importantly, any bill must understand that immigration benefits and immigration provisions affect the lives of tens of thousands of U.S. citizens, minor children and the economy as a whole.
Houston - my definition of amnesty is complete forgiveness of the prior offense(s) - the slate is wiped clean. I used the term in my post because I believe Theone was implying people just come to this country and all will be forgiven with another amnesty program. I will take a look at SJC markup - I'm trying to learn more about this area. What is your definition of amnesty?
I'm glad you fully understand the concept of amnesty. The SJC markup includes mandatory fines and background checks that may not be waived. Also, the bill wouldn't grant LPR status to illegal aliens, only a temporary status to those who qualify. Moreover, the new "legal" aliens are forbidden from applying for AOS during the statutory period. Once the "temporary period" ends, the aliens will be allowed to adjust status but will face more eligibility requirements than those who come legally in the first place. Hardly an amnesty.
I agree with your definition, amnesty is a complete forgiveness of the offense, no penalties, no conditions, no questions asked.
Sadly, when it comes to immigration, amnesty is seen as any measure short of removal. Even if illegal aliens were ordered to pay a fine of, say, $5,000 to avoid removal, such a measure would be seen as amnesty. Compare that to a traffic ticket. You may be subject to arrest and imprisonment for speeding, it's defined in most states as a misdemeanor, but you only pay a fine (ticket). Is that amnesty? I haven't seen any driver who celebrates a ticket as some sort of forgiveness for being caught speeding...
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Illegals are cowards, they take advantage of our resources, instead of demanding whatever it is they want FROM THEIR OWN GOVERNMENTS they take the easy route, why? because they know the laws and loopholes better than the Americans.
to Rambo and every damm illegal alien in the U.S. GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!! Your own countries are supposed to support you, THEY have an OBLIGATION with you, not us, when will you get it thru your sick skulls. We have MILLIONS of people who SHOULD BE DOING the work illegals do, i.e. every able body on Welfare, anybody who is in jail for minor offenses, enough of the b.s. especially from muslims and mexicans, beware of them!!!
And why is it that foreigners who have not worked a single day collect SSI and Social Security checks? because nobody has bothered to change the laws. As long as your are 65 years old you are "entitled" to receive social security benefits, medicare, or medicaid, food stamps, medical attention, etc. The Cubans get $5,000 on the spot as soon as they set foot in Florida. Write a thesis about this!
to Rambo and every damm illegal alien in the U.S. GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!! Your own countries are supposed to support you, THEY have an OBLIGATION with you, not us, when will you get it thru your sick skulls. We have MILLIONS of people who SHOULD BE DOING the work illegals do, i.e. every able body on Welfare, anybody who is in jail for minor offenses, enough of the b.s. especially from muslims and mexicans, beware of them!!!
I know people who never bothered to learn English yet they carry a US Passport, they are naturalized American citizens with all the privileges, how can this be? it does not make sense. Did you know that in Japan it takes 7 GENERATIONS to become a Jap citizen?
The so called AMNESTY is another joke. In the mid 1980's President Reagan passed an Amnesty Law which was supposed to end all illegals from coming to the country. What happened? Nothing. Illegals know that Americans are weak and sooner or later another Amnesty would pass.
to Rambo and every damm illegal alien in the U.S. GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!! Your own countries are supposed to support you, THEY have an OBLIGATION with you, not us, when will you get it thru your sick skulls. We have MILLIONS of people who SHOULD BE DOING the work illegals do, i.e. every able body on Welfare, anybody who is in jail for minor offenses, enough of the b.s. especially from muslims and mexicans, beware of them!!!
Immigration raid draws fallout in Mass. The head of massachusetts' social services called for release of 20 factory workers arrested in an immigration reaid, saying many have children with no one else to care for them. they were among the 361 people taken into custody after a raid March 6 at a Michael Bianco factory that makes equipment and apparel for the U.S. military. Many of the suspected illegal immigrants were shipped to detention centers in Texas before a federal judge ordered the rest to remain in Massachusetts. Social Services Commissioner harry Spence said the reaid created a "humanitarian crisis."
Originally posted by Theone: I would expect something similar to Houston.
But as he/she said, not reform and not comprehensive.
I think I would advise anybody wanting to move to the US to just get in and wait it out, there will be another amnesty along soon.
What an absurd reply, Theone. We cannot accommodate the influx of illegals your posts suggests. It is absolutely WRONG to automatically offer amnesty to people who crossed our borders illegally! The illegals who are already here should have to follow the process (same as immigrants trying to get here legally). Your suggestion is offensive to me, an American-born citizen, whose tax dollars have probably been used to help way more illegals than yours ever have!
I would agree that it is wrong, I just said that this is what I expect to happen, just being realistic.
The vast majority of those here illegally have no process to follow. Most if not all countries have no immigrant allocation for the poor/unskilled/uneducated, for example Mexico is the same.
Originally posted by ProudUSC: Houston - my definition of amnesty is complete forgiveness of the prior offense(s) - the slate is wiped clean. I used the term in my post because I believe Theone was implying people just come to this country and all will be forgiven with another amnesty program. I will take a look at SJC markup - I'm trying to learn more about this area. What is your definition of amnesty?
On that basis if I am pulled over for doing 100, drunk, in a 20mph school limit and fined a dollar, that would not be amnesty. After all I paid a fine.
Where the 'punishment' has no bearing to the crime or benefit, that's amensty.
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