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quote: Originally posted by explora: You mentioned the amount of viewers in your other thread. I responded to that here.
I'm not mad because you posted here. I don't understand why you don't continue with the thread you started and contain your articles there. Therefore we don't inerrupt each thread. You know that IME has been running for quite some time and it's been shown respect for me to post the articles since I've been the one that has done so. If I see that one has a thread running and they've worked it such as this, then I'd leave it be and permit them without my interference. I think you had a wonderful idea of having your thread and I think that it's respectful for us to keep our threads separate if you don't mind. I'm politely asking if we can work this out if you're interested.
I see your garbage JUMBOTRON's are STILL OCCUPYING MY THREADS, UNLESS YOU REMOVE THEM THIS ONE and EVERYONE YOU CREATE WILL BECOME MINE.
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Sunday, 12/23/07 Feds crack down on illegal immigration in Springfield By ERIC MILLER Gannett Tennessee SPRINGFIELD "” Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers visited the home of a Springfield alderman Thursday night amid what appears to be increased enforcement against illegal immigrants. Alderman Clay Sneed said he was on a call for his security company when ICE officers visited his home. "My wife said there were some vans here," Sneed said. "They weren't concerned about anything we were doing. They were just concerned about someone that was renting downstairs." Talk about increased immigration enforcement began circulating through the city this month after allegations about hiring of illegal immigrants at Electrolux Home Products. Electrolux, which employs more than 3,000 people to manufacture electric and gas ranges, initiated a mass firing. Television news reports estimated 170 people were fired last week. The company has since released a statement that it's using a system called E-verify to check the authenticity of documents provided by potential employees. Last week Springfield police officials confirmed they were working with ICE officers. Sneed, who worked at the Electrolux plant for 22 years, said he's concerned about the apparent crackdown. "This is going to be a large economic loss to our community," he said. http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/200712.../712230383/1006/NEWS
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Law Enforcement Hampered by Sanctuary City Advocates Sunday, 23 December 2007 By Jim Kouri A citizen of Ecuador was captured by the New York City Police Department and charged with rape, criminal *** act & endangering the welfare of a child. He was convicted of rape and sentenced to 10 years probation. The victim was a twelve year old girl. "ICE [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] is committed to insuring the public safety of our communities and we will not tolerate the actions of sexual predators and those who threaten the welfare of our children," said New York ICE Acting Special Agent in Charge Salvatore Dalessandro. "If you are preying on our children, we are going to find you; and if you are not a US citizen, we will deport you. We will continue to partner with New York City Probation Department and other law enforcement agencies to this end," he warned. However, as SAIC Dalessandro noted, it was probation officers, and not police officers, who notified ICE about the child predator. Members of the New York City Police Department are prohibited from informing federal agencies about illegal aliens who are arrested for felony or misdemeanor crimes. More and more American police commanders and officers are witnessing the growing and disturbing trend of cities and localities instructing law officers to ignore an individual's immigration status during the course of their duties. "This practice negates our immigration laws when our local leaders refuse to assist in managing the growing lawbreaking population in our great nation," said former New York City police detective Sid Francis. "When cities proclaim that they will not check immigration status, they essentially become a safe haven for not only out-of-status immigrants, but also criminal aliens who have often committed violent atrocities in our country," said the decorated detective and former US Marine. Advocates for increasing US border security and controlling immigration point to the thwarted terrorist plots at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, in Germany and in South Carolina are some of the latest examples of the continued desire of anti-American forces to inflict harm on the United States and its allies. "While we are engaged in a global fight for freedom, why would any American city enact policies that give unknown illegal immigrants sanctuary from detection, arrest or prosecution?" asks Police Officer Edna Aguayo, who comes from a family of cops. "Instead of working side-by-side with federal authorities, state officials are putting their citizens at risk by erecting barriers to cooperation and enforcement," she said. Many Americans believe that federal funds should be denied to cities and towns that declare themselves a "Sanctuary City." However, in November, when asked by Fox News if he believed his Department had the authority to deny Homeland Security funds to cities or municipalities that took steps to provide sanctuary to illegal immigrants, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff replied, "I don't know that I have the authority to cut off all Homeland Security funds if I disagree with the city's policy on immigration." "As the number of sanctuary cities in the US grows, it is time Congress gives [Chertoff] that authority and lets these cities know that they can not selectively choose to enforce our laws," said political strategist Mike Baker. "Just about every cop I've spoken with told me that they feel hampered by politicians who care more about political power than they do about protecting the lives and property of the American people," Baker said. For example, research in the area of child predators is disturbing and, at times, out and out shocking. Det. Francis studied arrest reports involving criminal aliens who committed child *** crimes including Julio Cesar Rabago-Magana, a Mexican man who sexually assaulted a four-year-old child in a basement in Minneapolis, Minn. Rabago-Magana pleaded guilty to first-degree criminal sexual conduct. After serving his criminal sentence, he was arrested by Immigration agents at his St. Paul home and deported six days later. "The illegal immigration problem is allowing hundreds of thousands of criminal aliens to invade our nation and kill, maim, rob and abuse our citizens, " one Border Patrol agent told Newswithviews.com. Research revealed that in one 9-month period the federal government arrested over 100,000 criminal aliens. These arrests do not include arrests made by state and local law enforcement. Det. Francis adds that our political leaders and the mainstream news media practically ignore this issue and pro-illegal immigration advocates resort to name-calling to silence anyone who attempts to sound the alarm. "If anything, the President and the two houses of Congress are actually helping these fiends enter the US to assault citizens and their children. They appear more intent on locking up border patrol agents that stopping illegal alien thugs," said Baker. Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite (R-FL) has introduced H.R. 3531, the Accountability in Enforcing Immigration Laws Act of 2007. This bill clarifies that state and local law enforcement officials have the authority to investigate, apprehend, and arrest any illegal immigrant apprehended in the course of routine duties. "Those law enforcement agencies that help the federal government enforce immigration laws would receive additional federal funding to help with the costs of detention," said Rep. Brown-Waite in a press release. "Sanctuary cities, on the other hand, would have 25 percent of non-emergency federal Homeland Security funding revoked if they refuse to change their policies within 6 months. H.R. 3531 also gives the Secretary the authority to withhold up to 50 percent of federal funds," she said. "When cities proclaim that they will not check immigration status, they essentially become a safe haven for not only out-of-status immigrants, but criminal aliens who have often committed violent atrocities in our country," said Lt. Steve Rogers, a police commander from northern New Jersey. "Imagine that Mohammed Atta or one of the other 9/11 hijackers, who were in the country illegally, had a city they could reside in to plot terrorist attacks with no fear of ever being checked or deported. We run the risk of inviting terror into these cities," he added. Illegal immigration opponent Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO) sponsored a measure, which he says would apply to cities such as Denver and Boulder in his home state. He was elated by its passage, which stunned critics and supporters alike. However, critics point out that the Littleton Republican's amendment to the Department of Homeland Security appropriations bill appears to have no language specifically defining what a "sanctuary city" is. Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper has long disputed giving his city that label. "The issue has come to fruition," Tancredo said in a press release. "The people of the country really have spoken. It's a really good indicator of just how much closer to the people the House is than the Senate is." Tancredo has introduced similar amendments at least seven other times since 2004, but each has failed "” often by wide margins. But already the House passed the Homeland Security appropriations bill, which now goes to the Senate. It would have to be signed by the president to become law. A year ago, Tancredo and other immigration foes unveiled billboards in Denver, including one with a mock declaration: "Welcome to SANCTUARY CITY . . . Relax, you made it! Brought to you by Executive Order 116." The billboard referred to a 1998 order issued by then-Denver Mayor Wellington Webb that outlines the city's anti-discrimination stance regarding immigrants. "There are no ordinances, executive orders or regulations that establish a 'sanctuary policy' in Denver," the mayor's spokesperson, Lindy Eichenbaum-Lent, said at the time. "Denver's policies comply with federal law, and Denver law enforcement officers cooperate with federal officials on immigration matters. Federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials have said Denver is not a sanctuary city, so merely erecting a misleading billboard doesn't make it true." The proposed amendment comes as the Senate is poised to take up debate again on an immigration reform plan that some opponents criticize as giving amnesty to illegal immigrants. President Bush, who supports the Senate's reform plan, sweetened the deal this week by agreeing to include $4.4 billion for border security. The Senate had put the reform bill on ice because it lacked enough support to bring to a vote. Tancredo said his amendment is an indicator that the House would crush the reform plan if it passes in the Senate. "If I were [Speaker of the House] Nancy Pelosi, I'd be asking if she could pass a vote on amnesty on the House side," Tancredo said. "If she lost 50 Democrats on this one, and she says she needs 70 Republicans to pass the immigration plan, this is an interesting indicator of things coming down the pike, and that the times, they are a-changing." Recently three Newark college students "” were forced to kneel against a wall behind an elementary school and were then shot to death at close range. A fourth victim was found alive about 30 feet away, with gunshot and knife wounds to her head.
These weren't "throw-away kids" or gang members or "dopers," said Lt. Rogers. "These were decent, wholesome youngsters from good families looking forward to the upcoming school year. That is until they were gunned down execution-style "” by an illegal alien who should not have been in the country in the first place!" http://www.borderfirereport.net/latest/law-enforcement-...-city-advocates.html http://www.therealitycheck.org/2007/12/22/law-enforceme...uary-city-advocates/
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In Mexico, the serious Christmas season begins with a series of celebrations and festivities called Las Posadas, a Spanish term meaning "inns" or "shelters". Every night from December 16th through Christmas Eve on the 24th - Nochebuena in Spanish – families and neighbors get together in one another's homes to reenact the arrival of Joseph and Mary into Bethlehem, and the problems they had finding shelter just before the birth of Jesus. At the beginning of the season, as we in the north put up and decorate our Christmas trees, the Mexicans traditionally set up crèches or Nativity scenes instead, although Christmas trees, lights and candycanes are becoming increasingly popular. The Nativity scenes can be very simple affairs or highly decorated and ornate; beds of Spanish moss and straw are often set down, upon which are set figurines made of clay, ceramics, plastic, paper mache or pretty well any other material, depicting Joseph and Mary, the manger with the Christ child, farm animals, camels and donkeys, and the Three Magi. Many crèches include elaborate straw-thatched sheds and backdrops, palm trees and miscellaneous other decorations. Once the Posadas begin, the nightly ritual involves processions of pilgrims, sometimes costumed, all carrying candles or lamps and sometimes statues of Joseph and Mary with their donkey, who pass from house to house in the neighborhood, singing a song in which Joseph and Mary are asking for shelter. They are refused entry at each door until the procession arrives at the house which is to be the host for that particular night's party. This time when the pilgrims sing their request for shelter, the innkeeper (party host) finally lets Joseph and Mary inside, and a blessing is given at the crèche. At that point there is usually plenty of food and drink brought out, including tamales and atole (a sweet gruel made of ground corn, sugar and flavorings), and the children and young folk typically take turns at trying to break one or more piñatas. A piñata is a brightly decorated clay or paper maché pot filled with traditional Christmas sweets, sugar cane, peanuts, oranges, small toys and other goodies. Although piñatas can come in pretty well any shape these days, traditionally the Christmas piñata was decorated with 7 pointed cones sticking out of it, festooned with colored crepe or shiny paper and streamers. The piñata itself symbolizes the Devil, and the 7 points are the 7 deadly sins, which one of blind faith could vanquish by breaking off its points and eventually releasing the boons and goodness within, with that final shower of sweets and trinkets. Generally the piñata is strung up over the heads of the children on a moveable rope that allows an adult to somewhat manipulate the height and placement of the piñata. Each child takes a turn, usually starting with the youngest and moving through to the older children, sometimes even the adults. The child is blindfolded and given a stick, then turned around a few times to add a bit of disorientation to the fun. Then the child is let loose to swing, baseball-bat-fashion, at the spot where he or she thinks the piñata is hanging. This can be wildly inaccurate, and the crowd around will noisily egg on and direct (or misdirect, as the case may be) the child in his/her efforts. Finally one of the kids will place a heavy-enough hit on the pot to smash it apart and allow the contents to come spilling out, to then be frantically gathered up by the squealing children. On the night of the 24th, concluding the final posada, the birth of Christ is at last announced with much brouhaha and celebration, and the party-goers of that evening all take themselves down to the local church for midnight mass, or Misa de Gallo (literally, rooster mass).
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Illegal immigrants going underground as enforcement increases James Osborne December 22, 2007 - 10:11PM PROGRESO "” Angela wouldn't think twice about walking a mile up the road for a quart of milk when she first moved to one of the colonias west of Progreso three years ago. Then U.S. Border Patrol agents picked up three men from the neighborhood outside the local convenience store and deported them. Nowadays, Angela barely leaves the neighborhood, forgoing everything from grocery shopping to doctor visits. "We never used to see Border Patrol," Angela, a 32-year-old illegal immigrant from Matamoros, said in Spanish. "Now they drive through the neighborhood. When they come by I just stay inside the house and hope they don't come to the door." As the U.S. government continues its crackdown on illegal immigration, those immigrants living in the Rio Grande Valley without paperwork are increasingly shying away from public life, social workers and Mexican officials said. They fear recent successes in getting illegal immigrants to seek healthcare and other services are being undone and pushing people back underground. "A lot of people won't even come to the Mexican Consulate because they think they could be detained by Border Patrol," said Luis López-Moreno, the former Mexican consul to McAllen, before leaving his post earlier this month. "We have a special arrangement, but they don't know that. They're scared right now." Since 2002, the number of deportations in the United States has almost doubled, according to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. Perhaps nowhere is that trend more evident than in the Valley. The number of fugitive illegal immigrants arrested here in 2007 was up eightfold from the previous year, according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Around Progreso, which is situated right on the U.S. border with Mexico, Border Patrol agents are a regular sight. Their trucks can be spotted driving down the main street, outside the dollar store; sometimes, they even park in front of a local social services office, said Angie Camarena, associate director of Migrant Health Promotion, a nonprofit health education and advocacy agency that serves migrant and seasonal farmworkers. "I see them out there at least a couple times a week," Camarena said. "Someone on staff, not me, told them there was no reason for them to be out there." But local Border Patrol spokesman Oscar Saldaña said agents operate under a policy of not staking out facilities that offer aid to immigrants. "That would be considered interior enforcement and that's not our mission," he said. "We do have a lot more people out and about. People might think we're doing something else, but we're just patrolling the border." The actual extent to which immigrants are staying away from health clinics or not setting up bank accounts is almost impossible to gauge, as the institutions involved maintain a policy of not inquiring about their clients' immigration status. Grace Lawson, the executive director of El Milagro Clinic in McAllen "” which provides healthcare to both documented and undocumented immigrants "” said she hadn't seen a drop in patients, though. "Most of our patients are McAllen residents, not people from out in the county," Lawson said. "The problem with colonia residents, out in the rural areas, is they don't have transportation. They may not know the resources; they think documentation may be necessary." While getting illegal immigrants around Progreso to a doctor has never been easy, it's a task that has become much more difficult of late, said Lourdes Flores, a social worker with Migrant Health Promotion. "They used to be out walking in the park and doing all these things, but now they're scared. They just stay home," Flores said in Spanish. One of Flores' clients, a 25-year-old mother from Mexico named Claudia, can't send her 8-year-old daughter to school because she hasn't had the necessary vaccinations. A number of medical clinics in the area provide healthcare to illegal immigrants, but Claudia said she is scared Border Patrol agents might be waiting outside. Asked what she would do if one of her children were to become seriously ill, she buried her face in her hand.
"I don't want to think about it," she said.
DUH . . . so she'd rather stay where she is ILLEGAL AND NOT WELCOMED and let her own child die? Gotta love those family values 
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More candy from Mexico recalled due to elevated lead levels http://www.themonitor.com/news/tarritos_7591___article.html/recall_candy.html Aaron Nelsen (The Brownsville Herald) December 22, 2007 - 10:21PM BROWNSVILLE, TX "” Concerns about lead contamination have prompted a San Antonio import company to expand its voluntary recall of Mexican candy, according to the Texas Department of State Health Services. Villa-Mex Imports Inc., the company responsible for importing Tarritos, has agreed to voluntarily recall the candy, but state and local officials say it could take weeks before the item is completely removed from store shelves. Tarritos is the second brand of Mexican candy to be recalled this month after testing revealed elevated lead levels in the products. Productos Avila S.A. manufactures Tarritos and is also responsible for Barrilito, which was recalled at the beginning of December. "We can't provide an exact timeline for the recall," said Carrie Williams, a spokeswoman for the Texas state health department. "It's going to boil down to how efficient the recall is and the communication that goes into it. We do hope that most is already recalled." But a week after the department's Dec. 14 announcement of the Tarritos recall, the candies were still on the shelves of several Brownsville stores. And employees seemed unaware or unconcerned about the risk. George Lopez is the owner of Lopez Food Store, which had several of the Tarritos mug-shaped glass jars with the dark, reddish-brown paste for sale. He said he receives recall notices for so many products that he was unaware of the Tarritos recall or if his store even sold the product. "I'll check on it and if there is a recall we'll take it off the shelf," Lopez said. And Lucky Mart Convenience Stores on Southmost Boulevard had a full box of Tarritos, which it sells for $1.39 per unit. The owner of the store was unavailable for comment, but one of the clerks said she was familiar with the recall but wasn't sure why the product had not been removed. Both stores later removed the Tarritos candy from their shelves. Candy can be contaminated in a variety of ways, including ink from the candy wrapper seeping into the product or from lead-based solders. The glass container was responsible for contaminating the Tarritos candies, according to state authorities. Eating products contaminated with lead can lead to delayed mental and physical development and learning deficiencies in young children, the state health department reported. The amount of lead found in the Tarritos was as high as 0.125 parts per million. Anything above 0.1 parts per million is considered dangerous. Villa-Mex Imports will be given an opportunity to voluntarily recall Tarritos from its distributors before the state health department begins targeted inspections, Williams said. Dr. Brian Smith, regional director for the state health department, said Mexican candies have posed a health concern in the Rio Grande Valley for a long time. "There are a number of different concerns with Mexican candy," he said. "Rat feces, bugs are common of tamarindo products. Personally, I don't eat Mexican candy."
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MPD officer charged with falsely claiming citizenship By JOHN DIEDRICH jdiedrich@journalsentinel.com Posted: May 31, 2007 Oscar Ayala-Cornejo, the Milwaukee police officer suspected of being an illegal immigrant, was betrayed by information in his high school yearbook, according to a federal criminal complaint filed Thursday.
5/31/07: Officer arrested; citizenship questioned
Prosecutors say Ayala-Cornejo, 24, attended Pulaski High School under his real name but in 1999 moved to Hamilton High School and started using the name of his dead cousin, Jose A. Morales. Immigration agents found that the two yearbook photos matched but the names differed, a key piece of evidence in an exhaustive investigation to prove this police officer is not who he says he is, the complaint says. At a hearing in federal court, Ayala-Cornejo was charged with falsely representing himself as U.S. citizen. If convicted, he faces up to three years in prison and a $250,000 fine. The five-year department member was ordered held by Magistrate Judge Aaron Goodstein until a detention hearing on Monday. He was taken away by U.S. marshals. Several family members were on hand and wept. They declined to comment afterward. He is suspended from the force and is being paid, per state law. State prosecutors are reviewing possible charges against the officer, said Milwaukee District Attorney John Chisholm. Others also are under investigation on suspicion of lying to agents during the investigation, sources said. Agents learned of the case by an anonymous telephone tip on Feb. 20, the complaint says. The real Jose A. Morales was a U.S. citizen, but died of cancer in Mexico in 1989 or 1990, the complaint says, quoting the deceased's brother, Jamie Morales, who said he attended the funeral. Jose Morales' father offered to give his dead son's identity and all the paperwork to prove it to Oscar Ayala-Cornejo, said Jamie Morales, according to the complaint. The man, identified as Ayala-Cornejo by prosecutors, was born in Mexico and is not a U.S. citizen, the complaint said. His brother, Alex Ayala-Cornejo, also a Milwaukee police officer, is a U.S. citizen, it said. Immigration agents discovered that in citizenship paperwork filed by Alex Ayala-Cornejo on behalf of his parents, the complaint says. The complaint says Oscar Ayala-Cornejo began using his dead cousin's name and a new date of birth in 1999 when he changed schools. Three years later he was hired as a Milwaukee police aide and underwent the same background investigation that officers received. He became an officer in December 2004. His personnel file was not released Thursday. In his police file, federal agents found a birth certificate and school records identifying the officer as Jose A. Morales, the complaint says. The records go up to 1999 when, investigators say, Ayala-Cornejo began living as Morales. Agents also found that a passport was issued to someone claiming to be Jose Morales in 1998, at least eight years after he died, the complaint says. Agents discovered a Mexican birth certificate showing that Oscar Ayala-Cornejo was born in Mexico, it says. In interviews with federal immigration agents and Milwaukee police officers on Wednesday, at least seven relatives of the officer admitted to the deceit, the complaint says, including his mother and sister. Chief Nannette Hegerty said the department "did everything it possibly could to determine this young man's identity," adding that immigration agents agreed. An official with Immigration and Customs Enforcement declined to comment. "No matter what kind of background we did, we wouldn't have been able to find it, which is unfortunate," Hegerty said. She said the department does not believe there are any other illegal immigrants in the ranks and she doesn't see a need to change background checks. She also didn't anticipate losing criminal cases, saying high-profile cases are handled by detectives. Chisholm said his office was reviewing cases to see if the officer was a key witness in any of them. When an officer is accused of lying, the officer cannot be used as a witness and old cases in which the officer was a central witness could be appealed, he said. Linda Spice of the Journal Sentinel staff contributed to this story. How low can you go to steal from YOUR DEAD RELATIVE. But these are just hard working people . . . blah blah blah . . . 
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BP Agent Noe Aleman In Jail! Help His Family Digger Protests Against Vicente Fox Watch It! High School Class Project Teaches How to Illegally ImmigrateBy Guest Author Mike Pechar (Columbus, Ohio) For the fifth straight year, a high school Spanish teacher has assigned her students a three-week project to devise a workable plan for a Latino to sneak into the U.S., plus find shelter and food to survive. Try it legally, Erica Vieyra told her 40 senior Spanish students at Olentangy Liberty High School. Fill out the correct documents, follow the proper steps. And then, after they spent days completing the actual paperwork from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, she took out her red ink pad and stamped a big, fat DENIED across every request. Now, she told the students, come illegally. Forge your documents, find a way across the border. Then, research real ads and find a place to live in Columbus. Figure out what it would cost, how to get food. Plan how to survive. The students had to go to real businesses and ask for Spanish-language job applications. They had to visit a bank and ask for new-account documents written in Spanish. Vieyra promised them that the process -- even in make-believe -- would frustrate them. But they would gain, she hoped, an understanding of what is one of the most important political and humanitarian issues facing the U.S. government today. Kind of one-sided, I'd say. After all, instead of having the students simulate being generic, non-descript Latinos, Vieyra could have them pretend to be MS-13 gang members sneaking into the U.S. to develop crime networks. Alternatively, Vieyra could have the students imagine themselves as intelligence operatives for Venezuelan marxist thug Hugo Chavez, charged with infiltrating the U.S. government to conduct espionage. However, it's not to be. Vieyra's teaching of the Spanish language has taken a back seat to propagandizing the students with her leftist political beliefs. She cautions, though, that she's not trying to influence the students, rather just teach them "a little empathy." As such, I'd recommend renaming the course from "Spanish V" to "Empathy for Illegal Aliens in the U.S." Tipped by a very unhappy Olentangy Schools taxpayer. More of our Tax dollars working against us. 
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STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO REMOVE YOUR SPAM FROM ALL OF MY THREADS . . . .
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CHRISTMAS HOLIDAYS IN MEXICO:
CHANUKAH
Chanukah, one of the celebrations of light during the time of Winter Solstice begins at sunset on December 3 this year. Each evening, families light candles to remember the triumph of the Maccabees who regained control of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and the great miracle which happened there, when the remaining supply of consecrated oil burned for eight more days.
Amazed to discover Mexico's large Jewish population, in what appears at first glance to be a completely Catholic country? Since Mexico was settled at the time of the Spanish Inquisition, it is not surprising to discover that many Spanish Jews made their way to freedom in the new world.
LA VIRGEN DE GUADALUPE
The celebration of the Virgin of Guadalupe, the Patrona of Mexico, the Queen of the Americas also begins on December 3 and culminates on her special day, December 12, when all Mexico pauses to celebrate the mother of God as she appeared on Tepeyac, the prehispanic site of the temple to Tontanslin , one of the most influential Aztec goddesses, asking that a temple be built to her on that site, as the Mother of Mexico.
An aura of sun rays surrounded the Virgin, when her image appeared on the tilma (cloak) of Juan Diego on December 12, 1531, marking her as an ambassador from the sun, the highest of all the Aztec gods. Her power, her light and her love are remembered for the nine days of processions and pilgrimages -- another fiesta of light.
The image of the Virgin of Guadalupe remains one of the great mysteries of the world. The image was first seen when Juan Diego dropped from his cloak the Castillian roses the Virgin produced as a sign to prove her existence showered from the tilma to the Bishop's feet. That this rough handmade garment has lasted over 460 years is a mystery. The normal lifespan for the fabric which had been made from agave, the succulent from which Tequila is also made, would be from 10-20 years. This incredible image has survived unscathed by 166 years of unprotected display and reverent touching, the explosion of a bomb left in a nearby vase, and, in the 1800's, silversmiths repairing the frame, spilled nitric acid which covered nearly two thirds of the cloth.
Over the centuries scientists and experts from around the world have inspected and tested the fabric, but have never detected a trace of ink or paint.
The Indians who saw the image read it much like you read these words. They saw that this woman was greater than the moon she stood on, but that she was lesser than and coming from the Sun god. Her blue green outer cloak told them that she was an ambassador, coming with messages from the most powerful of gods, the sun. The stars on her cloak formed the constellations as they appeared in the sky on December 12, 1531. At her waist was a black sash, as was worn by all pregnant women at that time. Most important of all, unlike the paintings and the statues in the churches, this messenger from God had skin the color of their own, a coppery brown.
In recent years, with the invention of more powerful microscopic instruments, study of the image of the Virgin of Guadalupe has continued, with more and more discoveries. First it was found that the highlight in her downcast right eye is a perfect profile image of Juan Diego. Years later, using computer imaging, scientists found as many as 18 persons in the eyes of the Virgin, one very Ghandi-like, another a black woman, and more.
All the science in the world, however cannot begin to understand the importance of the Virgin of Guadalupe in Mexico, in Latin America and in the United States. For this understanding, we must look at the people's devotion to her, their relationship with her. This is not a simple viewing of an image in a silver frame, this is the relationship with a mother, a sister, a friend, a neighbor, another part of self.
The devotion to Guadalupe transcends any form of religious scope to become a symbol of Mexican nationalism and patriotism. Guadalupe creates a bond, a sense of being Mexican, of profound pride in being Mexican. Her influence crosses all borders and boundaries. She transcends the normal division of social strata found yet today in Mexico, and her devotees are the rich and humble, the industrialized and the farmer, the educated and the illiterate, the religious and the cynical. Her altar is a glitter of lights, roses and hope, the Mexican love for her is an endless hymn, the Mexican's contact with her is hourly, she is the Mother of Mexico, the Queen of the Americas, She IS Mexico.
NACIMIENTOS
The first nacimiento or nativity scene was displayed in 1223 by Saint Francis of Assissi in Italy, when he recreated the ancient scene in a real stable, using barnyard animals and local persons.
Some of the first Mexican monks were taught by the Spanish to carve nativity figures. As with most religious customs in this country, traditional folklore has crept into some of the figures. A fascinating Sunday or Thursday excursion during late November and December is to the Tonala market which features dozens of stalls which sell nothing but supplies, bits and pieces for nacimientos.
Nacimientos have traditionally been the main decorations in local homes, businesses and churches, and what tributes they are. Using moss, sawdust, sand, and painted paper, multi-tiered bases are created to resemble hills, deserts, rivers and lakes. Whole villages appear on tabletops, and more characters and scenes are added each year Dozens of figures are lovingly arranged around December 14th, and kept on display until February 2.
Look for purely Mexican traditions and twists in the nacimientos, like the rooster who crowed to announce the birth of the child, fish in the river (from the lovely Mexican carol of the same name"”Los Peces en el Rio), Lucifer lurking in his cave to tempt the shepherds from their journey, the Egyptians camping with their tents and pyramids. These are representations of complete villages, with wells, vendors with carts of fruits and vegetables, playing children, musicians, dancers, mutton and pork roasting on spits, even women making tortillas.
Foreigners are frequently confused when confronted by nativity scenes and other Christmas decorations all through January, and even into February. Even more puzzling to newcomers are 4 inch figures of Mary and Joseph, and a nearly life size Christ child. But there is tradition to explain this, too. On January 6, during the fiesta to honor the arrival of the Three Kings at the manger, a special ring-shaped bread called the "Rosca" will be served. Baked into the bread is one or more small plastic figures of the Child God. The guests who find these images in their serving of bread are named the Godparents of the Christ Child from the Nacimiento. It is then their responsibility to host a party on February 2, El Dia de Candlelaria or the Day of Purification, the final celebration of a Christmas holiday which began on December 3 with the beginning of nine day celebration of
The Virgin of Guadalupe.
At the time of the birth of the Christ Child, Jewish tradition and law forbade women access to the Temple for 40 days after the birth of a child. Mary and Joseph would have presented the Baby Jesus, the Child God in the Temple then on February 2. In many villages, the Child from the Nativity scene is dressed in a long white gown and bonnet, placed on a small chair and taken to the church to be blessed on February 2. In the newer church in Chapala, this custom is still practiced, with tiny clothing and shoes and accessories available at the church.
Nacimientos are especially important in Guadalajara, due to the artistic influence of Tlaquepaque, where many figures are made and a competition of creches is held each year.
LAS POSADAS
Las Posadas are a series of nine charming children's processions which are uniquely, genuinely and exclusively Mexican, seemingly invented by the early Spanish missionaries solely to comfort and convert the former Aztecs.
The tradition of the nine days of processions (Posadas) began soon after the arrival of the Spaniards in Mexico. Clever San Ignacio de Loyola created the custom to teach the story of the birth of Jesus and more importantly to coincide with the nine day Fiestas of the Sun, which celebrated the virgin birth of the Aztec Sun god, Huitzilopchtli, from the 16th through the 24th of December. Special permission was received from Rome to celebrate nine "Christmas Masses" to represent the nine months of Mary's pregnancy.
This December, children in the villages here at Lake Chapala, will set out each evening from the church for a pilgrimage to a different neighborhood. This procession symbolizes the journey made by Joseph and Mary from Nazareth to Bethlehem and Joseph's search for shelter (Posada) at an Inn (also Posada). The peregrinos (pilgrims) include Joseph leading Mary on a burro, an Angel, shepherds, kings, and a large flock of excited, giggling, jostling, ***ping, wiggling, shiny-eyed others, most with bright ribbon and flower decked shepherds' staffs which they tap in time to the music.
The lovely verses of the traditional Posada song are exchanged back and forth between Joseph and the group outside each house and the Innkeeper and the group inside. At each location, Joseph asks for entry, until finally at a prearranged location, the Innkeeper and friends sing from inside the shelter (house):
"Enter holy pilgrims, receive this humble corner, that while we know it is a poor lodging, it is given as the gift of heart."
And the party begins, with joyous music, piñatas, with candy, fruit, and treats for everyone. Like the fiestas held by the ancients to honor Huitzilopochtli, the Mexican Posadas are full of the deepest of feeling"”laughter mixed with deep spirituality, combined with the Mexican's thirst for diversion from the daily sameness of survival. This is truly a merrily religious celebration, and for most of the children, far more anticipated than Christmas itself.
PIÑATAS
Although the Piñata originated in China, the traditional party favorite of Mexican children travelled along the trade routes to Italy where it was named pigata or pineapple in Italian, then to Spain in time to be taken to the new world by the missionaries. In every Mexican village, every few blocks there is a housewife making all sizes and designs of piñatas from fringed crepe paper and cardboard glued to a clay jar (cantero).
The serious symbolism of this simple party toy is very typical of Mexico as there is always more to understand than appears on the surface.
The decorated clay cantero represents Satan who often wears an attractive mask to attract humanity. The most traditional style of Piñata looks a bit like Sputnik, with seven points, each with streamers. These cones represent the seven deadly sins, and the breaking of the Piñata with the ensuing shower of sweets and fruits and nuts vividly shows the triumph of good over evil and the unknown joys and rewards which will be given in heaven to the good and faithful. The blindfolded participant represents the leading force in defying evil, faith, which must be blind, and is guided only by the voices of others crying "arriba, abajo, atras" (up, down, back). In Ajijic, the children cry out, "Chapala" or "San Juan", the villages to the East and West, to indicate the location of the Piñata to the blindfolded child.
You will hear the parents and children singing special Piñata songs including a verse which says,
"I don't need gold, nor do I desire silver All that I want is to break the Pinata!"
PASTORELAS
When the missionaries arrived in Mexico, they often used exaggerated outdoor plays to teach many of the Christian legends and ideals to the Indians. Thus were born the Pastorelas, the wonderfully naïve, irony packed story of the birth of the Christ Child.
Today Pastorelas continue, with the script improvised by the participants. Especially fun are the simple country shepherds traveling to visit the newly born child in the manger, and the many encounters they have with Lucifer, his attractive disciples, and the ultimate battle of good and evil. Each year, amidst the jokes, jeers, laughter, songs, slang, bawdy humor, discussions, cigarettes, tequila, even ladies of the evening, it is a fight to the finish between Lucifer and the Archangel Gabriel. Even if you don't understand Spanish, the broad acting, fun and laughter will give you the overview of this very typically Mexican tradition.
Watch for the Pastorelas on the steps of San Andres Church on Christmas Eve, in Plaza de los Fundadores, near the front of the Teatro Degalldo, in Guadalajara between 5 p.m. and 7 p.m. daily during the nine days before Christmas. Other presentations may be announced in the Guadalajara Reporter.
CHRISTMAS EVE ( LA NOCHE BUENA) and CHRISTMAS (NAVIDAD)
Just six years after arrival of the Spaniards in Mexico, Father Pedro de Gante began the celebration of Christmas with the "Misa de Gallo" (The mass of the rooster) Held at midnight, the mass quickly became very popular with the newly-converted Indians.
To sustain the newly converted Indian Catholics with the comfort and continuity of the more familiar fiestas for the God of the Sun Huitzilopochtli, Father Diego de Soria and other priests added the familiar skyrockets (cohetes,) torches, sparklers (Luces de Bengala), the Pastorelas, the arrival of the Posadas from the various neighborhoods, displays of live nacimientos, piñatas, ponche (Christmas punch with a fruit base) groups of Indian dancers, tamales, and more to the Christmas celebration.
Christmas Eve in 1999 in Ajijic and Chapala will be much the same. More than 750 years after St. Francis of Assi's first nacimiento, the patio of the main church of San Andres and in the plaza in Chapala will be filled with live nativities representing countries around the world, and areas of Mexico. Mary, Joseph, the baby, an angel and two shepherds will be dressed to reflect each region, as will a few well placed props. Expect to see wooden shoes and tulips, cotton snow on bushes with an igloo, Aztecs and other Indians, or "Africans" with wild animals. Each creche features a live cooing baby in the manger.
During the evening, the last Posada will arrive at the Church, to visit each manger. A group of local residents will honor the babe with traditional Indian dances while musicians play their gift and Mexicans and Anglos exchange greetings of Feliz Navidad and Merry Christmas, with hugs and abrazos, and feel the spirit of love and peace.. Be prepared to smile throughout the night as sounds of the celebrations of the Mexican community continue with music and joy.
Christmas Day (Navidad) is an unearthly quiet Mexican day, as the families sleep and recover after all-night festivities. Foreigners quietlymake their rounds on empty streets, to visit friends and enjoy feasts.
LA FLOR DE LA NOCHEBUENA
Few of our friends back home realize when they give and receive Poinsettias each holiday season, that Mexico gave the world this special holiday floral tribute.
Of the many names for this flower, the most beautiful is La Flor de la Nochebuena, (The Flower of the Holy Night). The ancients knew this plant as Cuetlaxochitl, which means "the flower of leather petals". The ancients considered all flowers to be divine gifts of the Gods, not only because of their wonderful beauty, scent and color, but they were also believed to be metaphors of the most beautiful feelings. This star-shaped, red, winter-flowering plant was a special favorite long before the arrival of Columbus.
The Nochebuena was considered by the Aztecs to be a symbol of the new life earned by the warriors who died in battle. As hummingbirds and butterflies, these warriors would return to earth to sip the nectar of the Poinsettia. (Click for more info on the Nochebuena
DIA DE INOCENTES (Day of the Innocents)
It might be more accurate to refer to December 28 as December Fool's Day, as on this day it is said that you can borrow something and never return it, and the day abounds with jokes and requests and fantastic stories, to convince the naive of lending almost everything.
It is believed the custom originally recalls King Herod's instructions to kill all the newborn children in order to destroy the infant child god. It is typical of Mexico and Mexicans to laugh in the face of tragedy, to challenge the fears which intimidate.
In Victorian times, friends would send one another elaborate notes detailing some great tragedy or horrible problem requiring them to borrow sums of money, tools, or household items, much like an April Fool's prank. When the friend, forgetting the day would respond, the prank player sent a gift of sweets or miniature toys in memory of the Innocents lost to Herod with a note saying "Innocent little dove who allowed yourself to be deceived, knowing that on this day, nothing should be lent."
NEW YEAR'S EVE ( ANO VIEJO Y ANO NUEVA)
What would a celebration in Mexico be without music, dancing, skyrockets, fireworks? Not a celebration in Mexico! The New Year is ushered in with an abundance of noise, of wonderful fireworks and hundreds of skyrockets.
One may encounter a bit of a problem driving about the village, as logs or cars block off sections of streets where neighbors, friends and families celebrate in the street with huge bonfires, music, food and dancing. These parties may well last till dawn. One charming tradition is that one should eat twelve grapes, one with each stroke of the chiming bell, for luck in the coming 12 months. New Year's Day is just a quiet and empty, and unearthly on the streets of the villages as Christmas Day as the Mexicans recover from the parties of the night before.
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Four Mexican construction workers found stabbed to death in their Ohio apartment had just taken out large amounts of cash to bring back to Mexico for the holidays, a relative and a local parish priest said Thursday. A crime that will never be solved! - You be the JudgeDecember 21st, 2007 Anybody think this is a priority to be solved? From the city that gives us Steve & Dale Sommers (we know their attitude towards Mexicans) Sheriff Richard Jones, who is on a crusade to rid "his" county of Mexicans' and of course, the irascible and lovable Willy Cunningham! It's a sad commentary how low some segments of American society have gone. But then, this is Cincinnati Ohio where murder is a daily occurrence, not to mention daily big rig accidents. The murder of these 4 men deserves the same investigation and prosecution as occurred with the death of Marcus Feisel a couple of years ago. The four undocumented migrants had been dead a week to nine days when they were found Dec. 13 in their apartment in the Cincinnati suburb of Sharonville. Two of the victims left behind a wife and two children each, said Filemon Guardado, a second cousin of all four victims, speaking to The Associated Press by telephone. "They were very hard working. They did not deserve this," said Guardado, mayor of Villa de Ramos, a municipality that includes the men's native village of Zacaton in the northern state of San Luis Potosi. Guardado identified the men as brothers Jose de Jesus Duenas and Manuel Davila Duenas, 21 and 31; Lino Guardado, 43, and his 21-year-old nephew Conrado Lopez Guardado. The mayor said he was informed of the deaths the day the bodies were found. "I prayed to God that it wasn't true, but sadly it is true," he said. Ohio investigators on Thursday declined to say if they had any leads in the case and have not made public any suspected motive. But the widespread belief in Villa de Ramos is that the motive was robbery. "They had just taken out money ... apparently a lot of money," community priest Julian Jimenez told the AP in a separate telephone interview. "I think it was because they wanted to rob the money they had gotten together," the mayor added, saying the men were killed just days before they were scheduled to return to Mexico to celebrate Christmas with the family. Hamilton County Coroner O'dell Owens said three of the men apparently were killed in bed. Two showed signs of having struggled with an attacker, and each had been beaten and then stabbed in the heart. The apartment was sparsely furnished and only one wallet, containing $1,300 in cash, was found there, Owens said. Authorities also found receipts, one for $2,500, indicating the men were sending money to relatives in Mexico. The Mexican government said Thursday it would pay to repatriate the bodies at a yet-unspecified date. The Mexican government and U.S. immigration authorities also are helping Sharonville police in their investigation. Police have declined to say if they have any leads. All four men worked as stonemasons, the mayor said. Jose de Jesus Duenas and Lopez had been in the U.S. for four years, while Lino Guardado and Manuel Davila Duenas arrived only eight months ago, he said. An estimated 11 million Mexicans live in the United States, about 6 million of whom are undocumented.
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Posted December 18, 2007 06:07 PM Hide Post LaRaza Funded By US Government From Janet Lee Meisinger 12-18-7 Thanks to Major Bob Worn - USAF, Ret Your Tax Dollars At Work. Poor, Dumb Amerika Ladies and Gentlemen, I cannot emphasize my previously sent statement too many times more,,,,,,,,,,, Amerika, Poor, Dumb, Under-educated victims of the public fool system deserve everything they are about to get. Giving of their money to the infiltrating enemy is abominably stupid. -- Bob Worn, Pritchett, Texas La Raza has been on the governments dole for several years. They want to take away America as we know it. You doubt what I say? Check out their website AFTER you scroll down. I have put their site address at the bottom of this message. US Gov't Assistance to Recipient(s) "la raza" (FY 2006) List of Recipients for Fiscal Year 2006 You can click on the column headers below to re-sort the search. Recipient Name State Federal Funding (for this search) LA CLINICA DE LA RAZA California $4,335,555 LA RAZA District of Columbia $496,000 NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA District of Columbia $1,763,348 Total recipients for fiscal year 2006: 3 Federal funding (within this search) for the year : $6,594,903 mip://03864908/contact.php La Raza Website:http://www.nclr.org/ Also, see: http://vdare.com/guzzardi/070803_laraza.htm http://www.vdare.com/malkin/060711_laraza.htm http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2006/09/cair_laraza_imm.html
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World USA Commentary Work & Money Learning Living Sci/Tech A & E Travel Books The Home Forum Home | About Us/Help | Archive | Subscribe | Feedback | Text Edition | Multimedia Search: USA>Society & Culture from the May 16, 2006 edition Illegal immigrants in the US: How many are there? By Brad Knickerbocker | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor No matter how the Bush administration and Congress act on illegal immigration in the US, any legislation or executive order is unlikely to answer the question: How many immigrants living in the country today are here illegally? Depending on the source, the numbers range widely - from about 7 million up to 20 million or more. Impacts of immigration reform Stories 05/22/06 Bush's border plan: technology-focused 05/17/06 Guard's impact at border 05/17/06 In pushing for immigration reform, Bush aims to shore up GOP base 05/16/06 Illegal immigrants in the US: How many are there? 05/15/06 Remittances help keep kids in school - and in Mexico 05/12/06 For environmentalists, a growing split over immigration Commentary 05/18/06 Tighter borders won't help the desperate 05/17/06 Bush's immigration conversion 04/19/06 Hiring illegals is just as illegal 04/19/06 The immigration issue won't be solved through politics 04/13/06 A Latino movement? Or just a moment? Get all the Monitor's headlines by e-mail. Subscribe for free. E-mail this story Write a letter to the Editor Printer-friendly version Permission to reprint/republish del.icio.us [ What's this? ] digg [ What's this? ] Nailing down such figures is impossible. Even settling on a ballpark figure is difficult given the official sources: the US Census, apprehensions along the US-Mexico border, and social service agencies. For one thing, illegal immigrants avoid responding to census questionnaires, states a 2005 report by Bear Stearns Asset Management Inc. in New York. Based on the national census in 2000, the US Census Bureau puts the estimate of illegal immigrants at 8.7 million. As of 2003, the US Citizenship and Immigration Services put the number at 7 million. Since then, United States immigration officials have said the number has grown by as much as 500,000 a year. Those closest to the fight to protect US borders say the figure is higher. The US Border Patrol union Local 2544 in Tucson, Ariz., says the total number of illegal immigrants in the US today is between 12 million and 15 million. The Pew Hispanic Center, a nonpartisan research organization in Washington, estimates 11.5 million to 12 million "unauthorized migrants" live in the US today. It bases its numbers on the "Current Population Survey," a monthly assessment of about 50,000 households jointly conducted by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics and the Census Bureau. But in a letter to a constituent in 2004, Sen. John McCain (R) of Arizona wrote: "According to the US Border Patrol apprehension statistics, almost four million people crossed our borders illegally in 2002." Although many are caught and made to leave the country, a significant number try again. No one knows for sure how many succeed, but Senator McCain's assertion would mean that the number crossing the border and disappearing into the US economy could be much higher than official estimates. "Deriving estimates of the number of unauthorized, or illegal, immigrants is difficult because the government lacks administrative records of their arrival and departure, and because they tend to be undercounted in the census and other surveys of the population," wrote the Congressional Budget Office in 2004. Citing school enrollments, foreign remittances, border crossings, and housing permits, researchers at Bear Stearns reported "significant evidence that the census estimates of undocumented immigrants may be capturing as little as half of the total undocumented population." There may be as many as 20 million illegal immigrants in the US today - more than twice the official Census Bureau estimate, according to Bear Stearns researchers Robert Justich and Betty Ng. Looking at states where most of the undocumented population lives today, they reported "very dramatic increases in services required in communities that have become gateways for immigration." These include public school enrollment, language proficiency programs, and building permits. (California, Texas, Florida, New York, Illinois, New Jersey, Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina account for about half the undocumented population.) In addition, Bear Stearns found, these new undocumented workers are sending home significant amounts of money, suggesting that their numbers are considerably higher than official estimates. "Between 1995 and 2003, the official tally of Mexicans has climbed 56 percent, and median weekly wage has increased by 10 percent," the researchers found. "Yet total remittances jumped 199 percent over the same period. Even considering the declining costs of money transfers, the growth of remittances remains astounding." One variable involves the relatives that join those coming across the border and form larger family units. Nearly 14 million people (including 4.7 million children) live in "mixed status" families - in which the head of the household or the spouse is in the US illegally - Pew reported last summer. This is partly because children born in the US- regardless of their parents' legal status - are automatically US citizens. "The large number of US citizen children born to parents with no legal status highlights one of the thorniest dilemmas in developing policies to deal with the unauthorized population," said Roberto Suro, director of the Pew Hispanic Center. Whatever the total is, the annual number of illegal immigrants has exceeded those coming legally for at least the past 10 years: 700,000 illegally compared with 610,000 legally, according to Pew. The number of "unauthorized migrants" (which includes some who have temporary permission to live in the US or those whose immigration status is unresolved), also has grown since legalization programs began in the mid-1980s, Pew reported last month: About 180,000 a year in the 1980s; 400,000 per year from 1990-1994; 575,000 per year from 1995-1999; and 850,000 per year from 2000-2005. There's no doubt that Americans are concerned about the issue. "A growing number believe that immigrants are a burden to the country, taking jobs and housing and creating strains on the healthcare system," the Pew Hispanic Center wrote recently. "Many people also worry about the cultural impact of the expanding number of newcomers in the US." Between 2000 and 2006, for example, the percentage of those polled who feel that immigrants are a burden because they take jobs and housing grew from 38 percent to 52 percent. At the same time, those who feel that immigrants "strengthen the US with their hard work and talents" dropped from 50 percent to 41 percent. In just the past 15 months, those who say "the growing number of newcomers from other countries threaten traditional American customs and values" has grown from 40 percent to 48 percent. Meanwhile, those who say newcomers "strengthen American society" has dropped from 50 percent to 45 percent.
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Copyright © 1995-2007 ILW.COM, American Immigration LLC. Advanced search Home Page ILW.COM Homepage discuss.ilw.com discuss.ilw.com Immigration Discussion STOP THE RAIDS!!!!! Page 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Go New Find Notify Tools Reply Admin New PM! Personal Zone » Member Directory discuss.ilw.com » Chat Rooms » Profile Buddies Ignore List Groups Permissions Private Messaging Notifications Karma Preferences Favorites More... Discussion Private Message Photo Al*** Keyword Search Search current forum only Advanced Search New Since your Last Visit Active Topics in this Category Add to My Favorites Printer Friendly Format Email a Friend Help Manage Topic Manage Content in This Topic Manage Members Online Now Control Panel Rate It! Login/JoinWelcome, Beverly [Logout] davdah Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:02 PM Hide Post Hudson, actually there are laws preventing certain people from owning property now. It used to be the mortgage/real estate industry put on blinders when it came to due diligence in their practices. Now its a bit different. The days of 'stated income' loans and so forth are over. In most states the money to buy something has to be well documented as to where it came from. In Texas for example they do a lot more to verify who a person is before they hand over that deed. I don't know what sort of twisted economics your reading from. The wage isn't reflective of the person's status? Of course the two are very connected. Low skilled or not the two are hand in hand. Another very clear and easy to follow example. Construction. KB homes got nailed with several class action law suits for shoddy construction. Part of that was based on the fact they admitted to hiring a large percentage of 'migrant' workers. They actually confessed to it, what a surprise. Most of whom are not qualified to build anything as evidenced by the number of homes falling apart. Their excuse was they could not afford to pay the prevailing wage of union labor in this country. Granted, a union member is probably over paid but at least they know what they are doing. They are liable for their work and have standards they have to keep. How many reports have you read about legal construction workers not finding work due to the mass hiring of illegals? I have seen many. So the argument that the status has nothing to do with the job is completely off base. Swift meats and any other meat packer can not and should not be allowed to use the excuse of skinny profit margins to justify exploiting labor. They do pay based on status and their profit margins are not that thin. Look up the CEO's, board of directors, management, and any non-illegal working there. It isn't so bad. By definition it is the reason they hire illegals. To underpay them. Add to that the identity theft, unpaid taxes, and the net cost of what they did is very large to the consumer. The only profit made was by Swift meats. If the cost of the identity theft, lost tax revenue, cost of the raids, cost to the victims of the identity theft, workers who should have had those jobs, and unemployment paid out to them from the state were all added up it would amount to 4 or 5 times what they paid those people. If the food prices jumped 4.3% there are other issues involved. We have also seen increases passed on from foreign imports and the difference in currency exchange rates also affect it. A lot of our food comes from other countries. I'll leave that alone for now. What I want to comment on is the rest. A 10 cent increase per pound in chicken is going to equate to 10,000.00 a month in my spending on necessities? How much chicken do you think I eat? I'd have to ask the wife but it isn't much. About 10 lbs, if that. So I'm looking at about a $1.00 for me. If anyone eats that much it might be to their advantage to have their own chicken ranch. An increase in the cost of production of any widget (chicken or otherwise) not caused by demand will cause the demand to drop, not increase. If a plant or two has to shut down because they can not compete due to paying true prevailing wage the affect will be negligible since the demand also dropped. The demand dropped due to the consumer price increase. But even if demand were to jump the initial shortage would be temporary at best. Think about it. If you were a chicken packer and demand just increased 100% what would you do? If it were me I would open another plant to meet the demand. The chicken rancher would acquire more land to raise more chickens too. That is how it works in the world. If people want more of anything the makers of it will supply it since there is money to be made. Its that simple. Now, if you were speaking in general terms saying that if all illegals were terminated from their jobs and it would cause such a huge increase in prices across the board I would still disagree. The other costs we don't see on the surface for keeping all of them employed would disappear. All of the fraud costs I mentioned would be gone. The increase in pay for the legal workers would actually be less that the true cost of keeping the illegal on the payroll. Even if it weren't it would not amount to anything close 10,000 a month. And most people are not that tight in their budget either. If they were why is everyone buying gas guzzling SUV's ? The last comment about globalization. Those ancient civilizations didn't have the kind of globalization we have now. Not even close. We do trade with the rest of the world. Perhaps too much. Try to find something in Walmart NOT made in China (lol). The one thing that amazes me Hudson is you should know better. You have access and knowledge of actual costs and so forth and keep twisting the numbers in obtuse ways. Why? I can understand someone here who never owned a business or being privy to economic data making ignorant claims but I am perplexed as to why you continue to post economic nonsense. __________________________________________________________________ I may not like what you say but I've defended your right to say it. Posts: 1341 | Location: San diego, CA & San Antonio TX | Registered: June 08, 2007 Ignored post by davdah posted December 22, 2007 02:02 PM Show Post davdah Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:17 PM Hide Post The Robert T Stafford portion dealt with disaster relief and had a lot to do with the use of the military and looters during events like Hurricane Katrina. This is an entirely different scenario. Also the summary exempted the military during domestic violence and many other events. The purpose of the act was for what? It was to more or less to keep law enforcement from deputizing a military person into police service. If Bush decides to put the army on the border he can. It almost sounds as though you want our borders to be unprotected. Is that the case? __________________________________________________________________ I may not like what you say but I've defended your right to say it. Posts: 1341 | Location: San diego, CA & San Antonio TX | Registered: June 08, 2007 Ignored post by davdah posted December 22, 2007 02:17 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:29 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Beverly: quote: Originally posted by ProudUSC: SoCal immigration detainee electrocuted The Associated Press Article Launched: 12/21/2007 10:14:19 AM PST LOS ANGELES"”A Mexican immigrant fighting deportation was accidentally electrocuted at the Mira Loma Detention Center in Lancaster, authorities said. Cesar Gonzales-Baeza, 35, was moving fence posts as part of a voluntary work crew on Dec. 5 when the jackhammer he was using struck a high-voltage power line, according to Greg Moreno, an attorney for his family. He died two days later. Gonzales-Baeza was detained 10 months ago after being stopped for a traffic violation and had been held while appealing his immigration case, Moreno said. The lawyer said his client had a green card. "This shouldn't have happened," Moreno said. "This is a man who should have been bonded out. He was a hardworking man, a father of two young boys. He wasn't a threat to society or anyone else. And now he is dead." Further details about the immigration status of Gonzales-Baeza were not immediately available from authorities. The Sheriff's Department, which operates the Lancaster facility, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials were investigating the death, said Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for the customs agency. IF HE WAS AN ILLEGAL, ONE DOWN, 30 MILLION TO GO . . . . . If they don't have enough sense to leave on their own, they should all be rounded up, jailed and given the option self deportation or death by electrocution. These morons take kindness for weakness and its time to stop B.S-ing with these leeches. Posts: 3218 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 02:29 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:30 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Beverly: quote: Originally posted by ProudUSC: Only the absolute bottom of the gene pool would celebrate something like this, Whknapp. Unbelievable. Only the absolute bottom from a 3rd world cesspool would root on law breaking, disease carrying, breedmare, overpopulating, lazy, non-assimilating bottom of the barrel, illiterate 3rd world genetic, mentally retarded, cultural losers to invade someone elses country and welcome them with open arms because they share a race. SCREW YOU FAKE US CITIZEN LARAZA TRAITOR, TYPICAL LATEEEEEEENA COWARD, TOO **** CHICKEN TO EVEN ADDRESS ME. Posts: 3218 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 02:30 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:31 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Beverly: quote: Originally posted by ProudUSC: Merry Christmas! Back at you little breedmare scum s-uc-k-er from the bottom of a 2000 gallon aquarium A TOAST: May the border be sealed before you get back from your 3rd world holiday! Posts: 3218 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 02:31 PM Show Post davdah Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:48 PM Hide Post NeedHelp, Almost missed your question. Where did I get my info? The best source of all. The jail itself. I talked to a few of the guards and they told me the majority are there, over 90%, for criminal activity. They get picked up for something else and at some point it is discovered they are illegal and are handed over. If its a GC holder they get sent too since it usually amounts to a violation of their GC status. In most cases it is about drugs. Either dealing or using. I'm not saying all illegals are drug users. There are stats that say the average illegal is less likely to commit a crime than a USC. If its true then its one less strike. I have to question that since many illegals use fake identities and in many cases their illegal status isn't even known while incarcerated in a state or fed jail. In so far as the case with the electrocuted inmate. I don't think he deserved to die unless he was being held for a murder/rape/molestation class of crime. It isn't proper for either side of the debate to use his demise for propaganda. There is far too much evidence to support the removal of illegals that it doesn't even need to be looked at. Aside pointing out how the la raza press is using it to promote their agenda. That in itself shows how weak and inhuman their case is. __________________________________________________________________ I may not like what you say but I've defended your right to say it. Posts: 1341 | Location: San diego, CA & San Antonio TX | Registered: June 08, 2007 Ignored post by davdah posted December 22, 2007 02:48 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:56 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Beverly: quote: Originally posted by ProudUSC: SoCal immigration detainee electrocuted The Associated Press Article Launched: 12/21/2007 10:14:19 AM PST LOS ANGELES"”A Mexican immigrant fighting deportation was accidentally electrocuted at the Mira Loma Detention Center in Lancaster, authorities said. Cesar Gonzales-Baeza, 35, was moving fence posts as part of a voluntary work crew on Dec. 5 when the jackhammer he was using struck a high-voltage power line, according to Greg Moreno, an attorney for his family. He died two days later. Gonzales-Baeza was detained 10 months ago after being stopped for a traffic violation and had been held while appealing his immigration case, Moreno said. The lawyer said his client had a green card. "This shouldn't have happened," Moreno said. "This is a man who should have been bonded out. He was a hardworking man, a father of two young boys. He wasn't a threat to society or anyone else. And now he is dead." Further details about the immigration status of Gonzales-Baeza were not immediately available from authorities. The Sheriff's Department, which operates the Lancaster facility, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials were investigating the death, said Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for the customs agency. IF HE WAS AN ILLEGAL, ONE DOWN, 30 MILLION TO GO . . . . . If they don't have enough sense to leave on their own, they should all be rounded up, jailed and given the option self deportation or death by electrocution. These morons take kindness for weakness and its time to stop B.S-ing with these leeches. Posts: 3218 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 02:56 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 03:14 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Beverly: quote: Originally posted by ProudUSC: SoCal immigration detainee electrocuted The Associated Press Article Launched: 12/21/2007 10:14:19 AM PST LOS ANGELES"”A Mexican immigrant fighting deportation was accidentally electrocuted at the Mira Loma Detention Center in Lancaster, authorities said. Cesar Gonzales-Baeza, 35, was moving fence posts as part of a voluntary work crew on Dec. 5 when the jackhammer he was using struck a high-voltage power line, according to Greg Moreno, an attorney for his family. He died two days later. Gonzales-Baeza was detained 10 months ago after being stopped for a traffic violation and had been held while appealing his immigration case, Moreno said. The lawyer said his client had a green card. "This shouldn't have happened," Moreno said. "This is a man who should have been bonded out. He was a hardworking man, a father of two young boys. He wasn't a threat to society or anyone else. And now he is dead." Further details about the immigration status of Gonzales-Baeza were not immediately available from authorities. The Sheriff's Department, which operates the Lancaster facility, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials were investigating the death, said Virginia Kice, a spokeswoman for the customs agency. IF HE WAS AN ILLEGAL, ONE DOWN, 30 MILLION TO GO . . . . . If they don't have enough sense to leave on their own, they should all be rounded up, jailed and given the option self deportation or death by electrocution. These morons take kindness for weakness and its time to stop B.S-ing with these leeches. Posts: 3218 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 03:14 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 10:57 PM Hide Post Merry Christmas ProudUSC! You've been called everything else already so I'll be certain to not 'call' you late for dinner!! Posts: 3218 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 10:57 PM Show Post ProudUSC Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 11:06 PM Hide Post Merry Christmas to you, Explora! I could use some dinner about now - I missed mine! God Bless America and everyone else! 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Login/JoinWelcome, Beverly [Logout] Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 20, 2007 10:28 AM NAFTA enters final stage By JEREMY SCHWARTZ Farmers and activists here are planning a series of protests as NAFTA enters its final stage on New Years Day, when the last of the tariffs and quotas Mexico has imposed on imported corn, beans, milk and sugar melt away. Opponents of the North American Free Trade Agreement warn that the final lifting of trade barriers could spark even more migration from Mexico's devastated countryside and leave Mexico dependent on the United States for corn and beans, staple dishes since the age of the Aztecs. At least one peasant group has said the NAFTA expansion could spark armed rebellion in the countryside if President Felipe Calderón's government doesn't do more to protect small farmers. Corn and beans were considered especially sensitive to the Mexican economy when the free-trade agreement was signed in 1993, and officials buffered them with 15 years of gradually dwindling protections. Government officials insist the Jan. 1 opening is largely symbolic. NAFTA supporters in Mexico say protesters are trying to wrest more government aid by exaggerating the impact of the opening. ''It's an important date because it marks the end of the process,'' said Luis de la Calle, a Mexico City economist who helped negotiate the original agreement in the early 1990s. ``But in terms of the market there will be very little impact.'' But members of Mexico's left-leaning Democratic Revolution Party, or PRD, the second largest party in Congress, have called on Calderón to renegotiate the final opening and remove corn and beans from the list of unprotected trade goods. SET IN STONE Calderón however, has shown no inclination to tinker with the free-trade agreement. ''The government is scared of renegotiating [corn and bean tariffs] because renegotiating part could mean renegotiating the whole thing,'' said Jose Romero, a NAFTA expert at the College of Mexico. ``And they worry renegotiating could send bad signals to international financial markets.'' Mexican farm associations say Mexican farmers are woefully unprepared to face an onslaught of American corn, and decry the large subsidies that American corn farmers receive. This week, the World Trade Organization launched an investigation into whether the United States has surpassed international limits on so-called trade distorting subsidies for its farmers by billions of dollars since 1999. And American farmers are far more productive than their Mexican counterparts. According to the Mexican Institute of Competition, American farms produce an average of 22 tons of corn per acre, compared to just six tons on Mexican farms. . Cruz Lopez, president of the National Farmers Confederation, said domestic corn producers fear they will go out of business, unable to compete with American imports, and leave Mexico dependent on the United States for its basic food needs. ''There is an abyss between the [subsidies] that we receive and those of the Canadian and U.S. farmers,'' he said. ``For us, it is very important to guarantee to the Mexican people that we can produce corn and beans.'' Mexican farmers are pushing for more subsidies from the Mexican government, and predicting dire consequences if they aren't helped. ''If this refusal to protect the national producers continues on the part of the government . . . the countryside could take the path of weapons and the guerrilla,'' Max Correa, leader of the Central Campesina Cardenista Peasant, a farmers' advocacy group, told the Mexican press recently. ``It's not a catastrophic vision, it's a reality.'' 3 MILLION JOBS Since Mexico entered into NAFTA, it has lost nearly three million farm jobs and seen a massive migration from the countryside to the United States. An estimated 80 percent of the 400,000 Mexicans who annually migrate to the United States are from rural areas. Many experts say that the great bet of NAFTA -- that peasant farmers would find jobs in a burgeoning Mexican manufacturing industry -- hasn't been realized. ''The U.S. doesn't want them, the manufacturing industry can't absorb them, so where do they go?'' Romero said. ``They don't have the political strength to influence policies.'' Experts say the high worldwide price of corn, driven by ethanol production, should provide a buffer for Mexican farmers, but that could prove temporary. The end of sugar tariffs, however, should benefit Mexican producers by opening up the lucrative American market, de la Calle said. But Mexican sugar producers fret that high production costs in Mexico could slow exports to the United States. Among the protest actions planned are street rallies in various Mexican cities and a human chain along the U.S.-Mexico border. But with the Mexican Congress on holiday and Calderón uninterested in renegotiating, experts say the chances of heading off the opening are nonexistent. http://www.miamiherald.com/business/v-print/story/351527.htmlNAFTA has been a disaster for everybody. I see a war between the US and Mexico in the very NEAR FUTURE. Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 davdah Power Member Posted December 20, 2007 01:42 PM Hide Post This is just great. Now Mexico has millions of uneducated rural farm workers they are going to sneak across our border. The only benefit is the labor pool for lettuce pickers will be fattened so the farmers here can get away with paying them even less. Maybe they should go south into Central or South America. There are plenty of farms down there. Question is, what do they grow? __________________________________________________________________ I may not like what you say but I've defended your right to say it. Posts: 1338 | Location: San diego, CA & San Antonio TX | Registered: June 08, 2007 Ignored post by davdah posted December 20, 2007 01:42 PM Show Post Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 20, 2007 04:25 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by davdah: This is just great. Now Mexico has millions of uneducated rural farm workers they are going to sneak across our border. The only benefit is the labor pool for lettuce pickers will be fattened so the farmers here can get away with paying them even less. Maybe they should go south into Central or South America. There are plenty of farms down there. Question is, what do they grow? The only other solution (which would be more feasible to American taxpayers and Mexico's farmers) would be for the crooked US government to stop subsidizing the corn farmers with OUR MONEY and make them work for their living. Corn is not that cheap in the US when you're essentially paying for it TWICE. Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 20, 2007 04:25 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:38 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Beverly: NAFTA enters final stage By JEREMY SCHWARTZ Farmers and activists here are planning a series of protests as NAFTA enters its final stage on New Years Day, when the last of the tariffs and quotas Mexico has imposed on imported corn, beans, milk and sugar melt away. Opponents of the North American Free Trade Agreement warn that the final lifting of trade barriers could spark even more migration from Mexico's devastated countryside and leave Mexico dependent on the United States for corn and beans, staple dishes since the age of the Aztecs. At least one peasant group has said the NAFTA expansion could spark armed rebellion in the countryside if President Felipe Calderón's government doesn't do more to protect small farmers. Corn and beans were considered especially sensitive to the Mexican economy when the free-trade agreement was signed in 1993, and officials buffered them with 15 years of gradually dwindling protections. Government officials insist the Jan. 1 opening is largely symbolic. NAFTA supporters in Mexico say protesters are trying to wrest more government aid by exaggerating the impact of the opening. ''It's an important date because it marks the end of the process,'' said Luis de la Calle, a Mexico City economist who helped negotiate the original agreement in the early 1990s. ``But in terms of the market there will be very little impact.'' But members of Mexico's left-leaning Democratic Revolution Party, or PRD, the second largest party in Congress, have called on Calderón to renegotiate the final opening and remove corn and beans from the list of unprotected trade goods. SET IN STONE Calderón however, has shown no inclination to tinker with the free-trade agreement. ''The government is scared of renegotiating [corn and bean tariffs] because renegotiating part could mean renegotiating the whole thing,'' said Jose Romero, a NAFTA expert at the College of Mexico. ``And they worry renegotiating could send bad signals to international financial markets.'' Mexican farm associations say Mexican farmers are woefully unprepared to face an onslaught of American corn, and decry the large subsidies that American corn farmers receive. This week, the World Trade Organization launched an investigation into whether the United States has surpassed international limits on so-called trade distorting subsidies for its farmers by billions of dollars since 1999. And American farmers are far more productive than their Mexican counterparts. According to the Mexican Institute of Competition, American farms produce an average of 22 tons of corn per acre, compared to just six tons on Mexican farms. . Cruz Lopez, president of the National Farmers Confederation, said domestic corn producers fear they will go out of business, unable to compete with American imports, and leave Mexico dependent on the United States for its basic food needs. ''There is an abyss between the [subsidies] that we receive and those of the Canadian and U.S. farmers,'' he said. ``For us, it is very important to guarantee to the Mexican people that we can produce corn and beans.'' Mexican farmers are pushing for more subsidies from the Mexican government, and predicting dire consequences if they aren't helped. ''If this refusal to protect the national producers continues on the part of the government . . . the countryside could take the path of weapons and the guerrilla,'' Max Correa, leader of the Central Campesina Cardenista Peasant, a farmers' advocacy group, told the Mexican press recently. ``It's not a catastrophic vision, it's a reality.'' 3 MILLION JOBS Since Mexico entered into NAFTA, it has lost nearly three million farm jobs and seen a massive migration from the countryside to the United States. An estimated 80 percent of the 400,000 Mexicans who annually migrate to the United States are from rural areas. Many experts say that the great bet of NAFTA -- that peasant farmers would find jobs in a burgeoning Mexican manufacturing industry -- hasn't been realized. ''The U.S. doesn't want them, the manufacturing industry can't absorb them, so where do they go?'' Romero said. ``They don't have the political strength to influence policies.'' Experts say the high worldwide price of corn, driven by ethanol production, should provide a buffer for Mexican farmers, but that could prove temporary. The end of sugar tariffs, however, should benefit Mexican producers by opening up the lucrative American market, de la Calle said. But Mexican sugar producers fret that high production costs in Mexico could slow exports to the United States. Among the protest actions planned are street rallies in various Mexican cities and a human chain along the U.S.-Mexico border. But with the Mexican Congress on holiday and Calderón uninterested in renegotiating, experts say the chances of heading off the opening are nonexistent. http://www.miamiherald.com/business/v-print/story/351527.htmlNAFTA has been a disaster for everybody. I see a war between the US and Mexico in the very NEAR FUTURE. Posts: 3211 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 02:38 PM Show Post Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:45 PM Hide Post Hey Explora: Those pictures of your breedmare/mama? Aren't cute . . mkay? Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 22, 2007 02:45 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:46 PM Hide Post .. Posts: 3211 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 02:46 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 03:16 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Beverly: Hey Explora: Those pictures of your breedmare/mama? Aren't cute . . mkay? Posts: 3211 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 03:16 PM Show Post Previous Topic | Next Topic powered by eve community Please Wait. Your request is being processed... 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George A. Martinez I want to focus on the example of Mexican-Americans. Mexican-Americans have been legally classified as white. That legal classification impacts the relationship between African-Americans and Mexican-Americans. It creates a barrier to coalitions with African-Americans and other non-white minorities. An example from Dallas, Texas is instructive. In the City of Dallas, there are currently major battles between African-Americans and Mexican-Americans over the direction of the Dallas School District. In connection with this conflict, African-Americans have recently expressed resentment toward Mexican- Americans. The resentment is expressed as follows: Mexican-Americans have been free riders. African-Americans fight for civil rights; Mexican-Americans ride their coat tails and share in the benefits. This resentment has been significantly linked to the legal construction of Mexican-Americans as white. Recently, some African-American leaders in Dallas have argued that Mexican-Americans should not share in the benefits or gains achieved by African-Americans because Mexican-Americans have been legally classified as white. Thus, the relationship between African-Americans and Mexican-Americans is impacted by the construction of race. The legal designation of Mexican-Americans as white raises a barrier to coalition building between African-Americans and Mexican-Americans. In order to help build a coalition between African-Americans and Mexican-Americans, it makes sense for Mexican-Americans to reject their legal designation as white. Although white identity has been a traditional source of privilege and protection, Mexican-Americans did not receive the usual benefits of whiteness. Mexican-Americans experienced segregation in schools and neighborhoods. Mexican-Americans have been discriminated against in employment. Moreover, in non-legal discourse, Mexican-Americans have been categorized as irreducibly Other and non-white. For example, one commentator described how Anglo- Americans drew a clear racial distinction between themselves and Mexican- Americans: Racial Myths about Mexicans appeared as soon as Mexicans began to meet Anglo American settlers in the early nineteenth century. The differences in attitudes, temperament and behavior were supposed to be genetic. It is hard now to imagine the normal Mexican mixture of Spanish and Indian as constituting a distinct 'race,' but the Anglo Americans of the Southwest defined it as such. Given all of this, it does not make sense for Mexican-Americans to retain the legal designation of white. If Mexican-Americans embraced a non-white legal identity, then Mexican-Americans and African-Americans would be able to build a better relationship. It is pointless for Latinos and African-Americans to divide themselves over the issue of Latino "whiteness." Indeed, to preserve the current racial hierarchy, mainstream white society often attempts to create divisions among minority groups. Given this, Latinos and African-Americans must work together as a coalition in order to dismantle racial subordination. By rejecting the legal designation of white, Latinos would be taking a step toward building such a coalition.
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Copyright © 1995-2007 ILW.COM, American Immigration LLC. Advanced search Home Page ILW.COM Homepage discuss.ilw.com discuss.ilw.com Immigration Discussion Delusional Arrogance Inspires Hatred Go New Find Notify Tools Reply Admin New PM! Personal Zone » Member Directory discuss.ilw.com » Chat Rooms » Profile Buddies Ignore List Groups Permissions Private Messaging Notifications Karma Preferences Favorites More... Discussion Private Message Photo Al*** Keyword Search Search current forum only Advanced Search New Since your Last Visit Active Topics in this Category Add to My Favorites Printer Friendly Format Email a Friend Help Manage Topic Manage Content in This Topic Manage Members Online Now Control Panel Rate It! Login/JoinWelcome, Beverly [Logout] Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 21, 2007 06:16 PM In 2008, the PRD party in Mexico city will promote the instalation of migrant houses in the United States. The secretary general of the PRD party , Carlos Reyes Gámiz, announced in Mexico city that in 2008 the party will promote the installation of six migrant houses in states located on the neighboring northern country (U.S.) where the major number of Mexican countrymen reside, in order to become locations that will defend their rights and attend the accusations of humiliation that take place. In front of the U.S. embassy, where he headed an act of support and solidarity with the Mexican activist Elvira Arellano and her fight to defend the rights of the undocumented, the legislator mentioned that these entities will be independent of the ones that are funded by the government of Mexico City. "The PRD has had a past presence in the U.S. territory, where a relationship has been maintained with agencies that defend human rights, and the goal is to share a work agenda, in this environment in which xenofobia and racism have a greater fervor in that country", he referred. "We see with sadness that, in spite of the fact that every day news of humiliations and attacks against undocumented countrymen are heard by us, the Mexican government assumes an attitude of docility in favor of the American one", he expressed, upon indicating that in the context of future elections in the United States, the movement in defense of migrants' rights should charge greater strenght. Signatures against the deportations During this event, Elvira Arellano made a call to the people to participate in a campaign to gather signatures that will be delivered on May first in Washington, when mobilizations in many cities in the United States will take place with the demand that all raids and deportations be halted. "If our government is seen weak and its not doing its work to defend our countrymen in the United States, the people of Mexico should make it known their support. Each one of us has an undocumented relative or a friend, we cannot ignore their voices of help", she argued WHO THE F*** DO THESE WORTHLESS, SPINELESS LEECHES THINK THEY ARE? Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 4now Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 03:14 AM Hide Post Wasnt this Elvira Arellano deported earlier this year.. or was she given voluntary departure? Either way, It is my understanding that she has publicly stated she will return once again illegally and will be thumbing her nose at the system again. Waiting to see what ICE will do if this occurs Posts: 2350 | Registered: September 27, 2003 Ignored post by 4now posted December 22, 2007 03:14 AM Show Post Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 22, 2007 07:49 AM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by 4now: Wasnt this Elvira Arellano deported earlier this year.. or was she given voluntary departure? Either way, It is my understanding that she has publicly stated she will return once again illegally and will be thumbing her nose at the system again. Waiting to see what ICE will do if this occurs Initially, she entered illegally, and was deported. She came back a second time, dropped an anchor, stole the identity of an 80 year old woman,got a job at O'Hare airport and was ordered deported a second time. She hooked up with Slime Coleman (former civil rights activist turned alleged minister married to former illegal alien Race Baiter Emma Lozano) and holed up in their storefront (probably doing a threesome) I wouldn't be surprised if Rev. Slime is Sauls' sperm donor. After the judge ordered her deported immediately, they got dumb a-ss bleeding heart illegal alien pandering DREAM ACT sponsors Durbin and Obama to buy her some time by the pimping the anchor and claiming he suffers from ADD. Then she had him circling the globe while anticipating what she was going to do back in Messyhole without her welfare check. TEN YEARS LATER, neither she nor the anchor can speak english. She taunted ICE and American laws for an entire year. It was the claim of being the new "Rosa Parks" of the Civil Rights Movement that made me want to go down to that shack masquerading as a church and delete her. She is a convicted felon forever barred from returning. If she comes back, I'd love to be the "welcome wagon" for this s-kanky, ignorant, fugly, illiterate pimp. She initially left that poor child here claiming we separated her family. I guess they cut the welfare off and Emma and Slim shipped him back to her, promptly killing her scheme, so you know this raggedy beyotch is pissed off. History Arellano entered the United States illegally in 1997,[3] and was apprehended and deported back to Mexico by the United States government.[4] She returned within days and lived illegally for three years in Oregon.[1] In 1999, she gave birth to a son, Saul Arellano, whose father remains unnamed by Elvira. Due to the 14th Amendment, which grants birthright citizenship, Saul is a United States citizen. In 2000, Arellano moved to Chicago and worked as a cleaning woman at O'Hare International Airport.[4] In 2002, following a post-September 11 security sweep, she was arrested and convicted of Social Security Fraud by using a stolen Social Security number to obtain employment and was sentenced to three years probation.[4] Arellano was ordered to appear before immigration authorities on August 15, 2006. [1] Instead of complying with the court order and to avoid arrest and deportation, on that date she took refuge in the Adalberto United Methodist church in the Humboldt Park area of Chicago, which maintained it was a sanctuary for illegal immigrants. On November 14, 2006, in Mexico City, Saul Arellano appeared before the Congress of Mexico.[5] The Mexican lawmakers passed a resolution to urge the United States government to suspend the deportation of Arellano and other parents of children who are United States citizens. She was arrested on August 19, 2007 in Los Angeles. Within hours of her arrest Arellano was repatriated to Mexico by U.S. federal agents in compliance with an existing deportation order. She was accompanied to the Mexican border by an official of the Mexican consulate in San Diego, California, as well as by agents of the U.S. government.[6] [7][8] [9] [10][11] [edit] Impact Arellano says that she should not have to choose between leaving her US citizen child in the U.S. or taking him to Mexico. [6] Critics of Arellano counter that she is exploiting her son in order to remain in the United States.[6] Latino advocates have highlighted this case as one of civil rights.[12] Arellano's claim of a right of sanctuary and a claim to stay in the United States has been taken up by Latino advocate groups such as National Alliance for Immigrants' Rights, NCLR, LULAC, among others.[12] [13] In support, La Placita, a historic Los Angeles church, declared itself a sanctuary for any undocumented immigrant facing deportation, something it did during the 1980s for the first refugees from war-ridden Guatemala and El Salvador who escaped to California. [12] The U.S. government's position is that Arellano is free to take Saul with her to Mexico in order to keep her family together.[1]. Prior to Arrellano's deportation, the U.S. government also noted that there is no claim to sanctuary in a church under U.S. law.[6] Upon her return to Mexico Arellano stated that, "the United States is the one who broke the law first. By letting people cross over [the border] without documents. By letting people pay taxes. . . ."[14] These comments led to criticism due to the fact that this statement is very similar to those made by anti-immigration groups in the United States.[15] On May 3, 2007, Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL), introduced H.R. 2182, which would grant legal immigrant status, with the possibility of applying for permanent residence status, to Arellano as well as 33 other people.[16] The bill was referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary and (as of August 2007) has yet to move out of the committee. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Beverly, December 22, 2007 08:14 AM Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 22, 2007 07:49 AM Show Post Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 22, 2007 08:24 AM Hide Post Faced With These Facts, Mexico Still Has The Gall To Be Indignant Posted by Bernard in Border Fence, Congress, Economics, Illegal Immigration, Mexico, News, Politics, Pres. Bush Thursday December 20, 2007 at 9:30 am Consider the following facts, as reported by Fox News (H/T: Hyscience). First: The number of foreign residents in Mexico grew from 340,000 people in 1990, or about 0.42 percent of the population at the time, to about 493,000 in 2000, or about 0.5 percent, the last year for which data is available. More than two-thirds of the foreign residents are from the United States, and many of those are of Mexican extraction. Second: ... the Mexican-born population living in the United States increased from about 800,000 in 1970 to more than 11 million in 2006. The majority of Mexicans now living in the United States "” 6.2 million "” are undocumented ... Almost 30 million people in the United States are direct descendants of Mexico migrants ... Third: ... 68 percent of Mexicans who migrate or try to migrate to the United States do so without documents and 55 percent of them hire immigrant smugglers. Now consider where the Mexican government may go as a result of a provision in Congress' Omnibus Spending Bill that is awaiting President Bush's signature (reported by the San Diego Union Tribune): The Mexican government is considering blocking U.S. exports, such as pork and rice, should Congress cut off funding for a cross-border trucking program, as is expected to happen within days. "We learned that the Mexican government has recently been undertaking an exercise to estimate the impact of retaliating against the U.S. if this pilot program is halted," said Janet Kavinoky, a U.S. Chamber of Commerce lobbyist who focuses on transportation legislation. Kavinoky said she has been told that if the program is ended, "Mexico will retaliate by not allowing exports of U.S. pork, rice and possibly other products – because we're violating NAFTA." So Mexico's #1 export is its own people with anywhere from 10% to 16% of its population now residing in the United States; it's co-equal #1 sources of revenue are from its oil exports and the $24+ billion it receives annually in remittances from Mexicans, legal and illegal, residing in the United States; and the U.S. trade deficit with Mexico is currently at an all-time high of $7.5 billion. Nonetheless, Mexico is threatening to engage in economic retaliation against the United States! When is the last time you heard even so much as a whimper of protest from the Bush Administration about the deleterious impact Mexico (and its far-flung network of meddling consulates in the United States) is having on our country? Meanwhile, newspapers in Mexico are heralding another provision buried in the massive Omnibus Spending Bill "” the significant gutting of appropriations required to construct the double-layer border fence mandated by the Secure Fence Act of 2006. Follow-Up: Meanwhile, here's the sort of thing (reported by Business Week) "” incomprehensible as it may be "” that Mexico allows its elites in business to do to its hapless poor. No wonder they flee Mexico in droves. Next time some bleeding heart Latino activist tells you that America needs to help solve the abject poverty in Mexico, if it is to stem the human invasion across its southern border, mention the outrageous usury permitted by Mexico's corrupt (and corrupting) government. It's akin to the "vig" that Mob loan sharks charge! http://acertainslantoflight.net/ Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 22, 2007 08:24 AM Show Post Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 22, 2007 09:49 AM Hide Post Telemundo reports that Elvira Arellano's son, Saul is under tremendous pressure by his handlers and says that he should be in school doing kids stuff and going to school. VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9xg7QZJ3jA Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 22, 2007 09:49 AM Show Post Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 22, 2007 10:03 AM Hide Post Are you illegal? Illegal belligerent idiots raise hands at city council meeting - What Shadows??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIypfK_Vo9s Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 22, 2007 10:03 AM Show Post Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 22, 2007 10:15 AM Hide Post As always, its all about Elvira. Says: "on 9/11 not only did the United States get attacked, undocumented immigrants got attacked for the sake of national security". DUH, ignorant *****. ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQV_W7tP6WM Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 22, 2007 10:15 AM Show Post SonofMichael Senior Member Posted December 22, 2007 12:30 PM Hide Post How delusional and arrogant !!! Posts: 962 | Registered: May 30, 2006 Ignored post by SonofMichael posted December 22, 2007 12:30 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:35 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Beverly: In 2008, the PRD party in Mexico city will promote the instalation of migrant houses in the United States. The secretary general of the PRD party , Carlos Reyes Gámiz, announced in Mexico city that in 2008 the party will promote the installation of six migrant houses in states located on the neighboring northern country (U.S.) where the major number of Mexican countrymen reside, in order to become locations that will defend their rights and attend the accusations of humiliation that take place. In front of the U.S. embassy, where he headed an act of support and solidarity with the Mexican activist Elvira Arellano and her fight to defend the rights of the undocumented, the legislator mentioned that these entities will be independent of the ones that are funded by the government of Mexico City. "The PRD has had a past presence in the U.S. territory, where a relationship has been maintained with agencies that defend human rights, and the goal is to share a work agenda, in this environment in which xenofobia and racism have a greater fervor in that country", he referred. "We see with sadness that, in spite of the fact that every day news of humiliations and attacks against undocumented countrymen are heard by us, the Mexican government assumes an attitude of docility in favor of the American one", he expressed, upon indicating that in the context of future elections in the United States, the movement in defense of migrants' rights should charge greater strenght. Signatures against the deportations During this event, Elvira Arellano made a call to the people to participate in a campaign to gather signatures that will be delivered on May first in Washington, when mobilizations in many cities in the United States will take place with the demand that all raids and deportations be halted. "If our government is seen weak and its not doing its work to defend our countrymen in the United States, the people of Mexico should make it known their support. Each one of us has an undocumented relative or a friend, we cannot ignore their voices of help", she argued WHO THE F*** DO THESE WORTHLESS, SPINELESS LEECHES THINK THEY ARE? Posts: 3212 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 02:35 PM Show Post Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:39 PM Hide Post Is that a picture of your breedmare ? How sweet. I bet the two of you are spitting images of one another. Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 22, 2007 02:39 PM Show Post Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:41 PM Hide Post Sink & Swim Suspected drug smuggler drives truck into Rio Grande Zack Quaintance December 21, 2007 - 6:10PM MISSION "” U.S. Border Patrol agents seized more than 1,300 pounds of marijuana Friday in Anzalduas Park after a drug smuggler drove a truck into the Rio Grande and escaped in a raft, an agency official said. About 7:30 a.m., agents on patrol near the small river town of Granjeno were dispatched to check on a pair of suspicious vehicles at the park on the far south side of Mission, said Oscar Saldaña, a spokesman for the Border Patrol's Rio Grande Valley sector. Once agents arrived, they spotted a GMC Envoy SUV and Ford F-250 truck leaving and tried to pull the vehicles over. The Envoy stopped, but the F-250 did not, instead continuing into the river. Agents arrested one man "” the driver and sole occupant of the Envoy "” and seized 769 pounds marijuana found inside the vehicle. Saldaña would not release any information about the driver. Agents also spotted men on a raft paddling from Mexican bank of the river toward the truck after it plunged into the water. The men in the raft pulled on board the driver of the F-250 and four bundles of what is believed to be marijuana before the group fled into Mexico, Saldaña said. He did not know how many men were on the raft. The Mission Fire Department assisted agents in searching the submerged F-250, which was found to be carrying 544 pounds of marijuana. Investigators believe the men on the raft, as well as the two drivers, conspired to smuggle drugs into the United States from Mexico. Mission Police Department officials say human and drug trafficking is a regular occurrence in Anzalduas Park and other areas on the city's south side. Next year, police plan to use a federal grant-funded surveillance system to monitor the area more closely and quash those crimes, said Lt. Martin Garza, a spokesman for the department. ____ Zack Quaintance covers law enforcement and general assignments for The Monitor. You can reach him at (956) 683-4447. http://www.themonitor.com/news/agents_7572___article.html/raft_truck.html Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 22, 2007 02:41 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:42 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Beverly: Sink & Swim Suspected drug smuggler drives truck into Rio Grande Zack Quaintance December 21, 2007 - 6:10PM MISSION "” U.S. Border Patrol agents seized more than 1,300 pounds of marijuana Friday in Anzalduas Park after a drug smuggler drove a truck into the Rio Grande and escaped in a raft, an agency official said. About 7:30 a.m., agents on patrol near the small river town of Granjeno were dispatched to check on a pair of suspicious vehicles at the park on the far south side of Mission, said Oscar Saldaña, a spokesman for the Border Patrol's Rio Grande Valley sector. Once agents arrived, they spotted a GMC Envoy SUV and Ford F-250 truck leaving and tried to pull the vehicles over. The Envoy stopped, but the F-250 did not, instead continuing into the river. Agents arrested one man "” the driver and sole occupant of the Envoy "” and seized 769 pounds marijuana found inside the vehicle. Saldaña would not release any information about the driver. Agents also spotted men on a raft paddling from Mexican bank of the river toward the truck after it plunged into the water. The men in the raft pulled on board the driver of the F-250 and four bundles of what is believed to be marijuana before the group fled into Mexico, Saldaña said. He did not know how many men were on the raft. The Mission Fire Department assisted agents in searching the submerged F-250, which was found to be carrying 544 pounds of marijuana. Investigators believe the men on the raft, as well as the two drivers, conspired to smuggle drugs into the United States from Mexico. Mission Police Department officials say human and drug trafficking is a regular occurrence in Anzalduas Park and other areas on the city's south side. Next year, police plan to use a federal grant-funded surveillance system to monitor the area more closely and quash those crimes, said Lt. Martin Garza, a spokesman for the department. ____ Zack Quaintance covers law enforcement and general assignments for The Monitor. You can reach him at (956) 683-4447. http://www.themonitor.com/news/agents_7572___article.html/raft_truck.html Posts: 3212 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 02:42 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 02:59 PM Hide Post Posts: 3212 | Registered: November 10, 2006 Ignored post by explora posted December 22, 2007 02:59 PM Show Post Beverly Frequent Member Posted December 22, 2007 03:01 PM Hide Post Hey Dora the Explora this is fun!! Illegal ProtestAmerican Citizens who are tired of the illegal alien invasionAll About the National Council of LA RAZA (The RACE) August 29th, 2007 H/T to Dr ***le Kesselman of NJCIC From DiscoverTheNetworks.org - more reading on NCLR if you follow this link NCLR's major policy positions also include the following: It supports access to driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. It opposes the REAL ID Act, which requires that all driver's license and photo ID applicants be able to verify they are legal residents of the United States, and that the documents they present to prove their identity are genuine. According to La Raza, this law "opens the door to widespread discrimination and civil rights violations." It opposes the Clear Law Enforcement for Criminal Alien Removal Act (CLEAR), which would empower state and local law-enforcement authorities to enforce federal immigration laws. La Raza argues this would "result in higher levels of racial profiling, police misconduct, and other civil rights violations." It lobbies for racial and ethnic preferences (affirmative action) and set-asides in hiring, promotions, and college admissions. It supports bilingual education and bilingual ballots. It supports voting rights for illegal aliens. It supports stricter hate-crime laws. [but not if the victim is white ] It opposes the Aviation Transportation and Security Act requiring that all airport baggage screeners be U.S. citizens. It opposed President Bush's signing of the "Secure Fence Act of 2006" which authorized 700 miles of new border fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border. As columnist Michelle Malkin reports, La Raza seeks to inculcate young people with its worldview by funding a number of charter schools that advocate ethnic separatism and anti-American, anti-white attitudes. Among these schools are the following: Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, Arizona is "structured and developed around the concepts of identity, culture, and language." It supports local ethnic lobbying efforts "to right social injustices by educating the community and helping create social change." Under the heading "Greatest Achievements," the school's website lists its visit from the Marxist academic fraud Rigoberta Menchu, and its sponsorship of the Mexican holiday Dia de los Muertos. La Academia Semillas del Pueblo is a Los Angeles public school that teaches children "Aztec math" and the Mexican indigenous language of "Nahuatl." The principal, Marcos Aguilar, is an ethnic separatist who told a UCLA interviewer: "We don't want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don't need a White water fountain. ... We are not interested in what they have because we have so much more and because the world is so much larger. And ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction." [ ed: Well then get your BROWN *** out of our WHITE country you scumbag!] [ ed: Oh and you are very interested in "what we have" and you are trying to steal what we have built because you and your ilk are too **** lazy and stupid to fix your own **** country - Mexico ] Aztlan Academy in south Tucson seeks "to integrate a meaningful Chicano Studies program into [students'] lives, language, and academics, as a means of developing their intellects as well as their pride and self-esteem." ("Aztlan" is the separatist name for the Southwestern United States that NCLR hopes will someday reunite with Mexico.) [ so how does NOT encouraging learning the language of the country you live in develop intellect, pride and self-esteem? Are you preparing them to GO HOME to Mexico maybe? ] The Dolores Huerta Preparatory High School in Pueblo, Colorado is named after the Latina labor union activist who is a Board member of the Democratic Socialists of America. The Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in Saint Paul, Minnesota supports the aforementioned federal DREAM Act. An eminent figure in NCLR's history is Raul Yzaguirre, who served as the organization's President and CEO from 1974 to 2004. A notable former Chairman is Jose Villareal. [see below for more on this dude] The organization's current President is Janet Murquia, who worked at the White House in various capacities from 1994 to 2000, ultimately as deputy assistant to President Bill Clinton. Immediately prior to joining NCLR, she was the Executive Vice Chancellor for University Relations at the University of Kansas. In 2005 NCLR received some $15.2 million in federal grants, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools; undisclosed amounts were earmarked for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions. NCLR also receives funding from the American Express Foundation; the Allstate Foundation; the AT&T Foundation; the Bank of America Foundation; the Carnegie Corporation of New York; the Annie E. Casey Foundation; the Fannie Mae Foundation; the Ford Foundation; the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation; the Joyce Foundation; the W. K. Kellogg Foundation; the John D. & Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation; the Open Society Institute; the David and Lucile Packard Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation; and the Verizon Foundation. NCLR's total revenues in 2005 were $25.3 million. Its net assets that year were nearly $52.4 million. "”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"” José Villarreal is the former chairman of the National Council of La Raza, the largest Hispanic organization in the United States. He was an aide to President Bill Clinton, a fundraiser and campaign co-chair for John Kerry in 2004, and the treasurer of Al Gore's 2000 presidential bid. He has also served as vice-chair of the board of the U.S. Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute, and was a presidential appointee to the Fannie Mae board of directors. In March 2007, he joined the presidential campaign of New York Senator Hillary Clinton. Just a wee bit of Hispandering huh Hillary? And guess what? Right now - I mean RIGHT NOW - there is a House Resolution in our Congress that is aiming to give La Raza $5 MILLION of our tax dollars and starting in 2008 we will be giving them $10 MILLION a year indefinitely. Here is the info on Congress.org on HR 1999: To authorize appropriations for assistance for the National Council of La Raza and the Raza Development Fund. Bill # H.R.1999 Original Sponsor: Ruben Hinojosa (D-TX 15th) Cosponsor Total: 5 (last sponsor added 05/16/2007) 4 Democrats 1 Republicans About This Legislation: 4/23/2007–Introduced. Hope Fund Act of 2007 - Directs the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development to make a grant to the National Council of La Raza to provide technical and financial assistance to local non-profit organizations to undertake community development and affordable housing projects and programs serving low- and moderate-income households, particularly through organizations located in neighborhoods with substantial populations of income-disadvantaged households of Hispanic origin. Authorizes the National Council of La Raza, or the Raza Development Fund, to use such funds to: (1) provide technical and financial assistance for site acquisition and development, construction financing, and short- and long-term financing for housing, community facilities, and economic development; (2) leverage capital from private entities, including private financial institutions, insurance companies, and private philanthropic organizations; and (3) provide technical assistance, training, support, and advice to develop the management, financial, and administrative capabilities of housing development organizations serving low-income households, including Hispanic households. [didn't you mean to say ONLY Hispanic households?] In the details of this bill: (b) Authorization of Appropriations- There is authorized to be appropriated for grants under this section– (1) $5,000,000 for fiscal year 2008; and (2) $10,000,000 for each fiscal year thereafter. (as in forever) Oh and here are some details left out of the "short" description - the critical #4 as listed here that conveniently DOES NOT appear in the summary: (1) provide technical and financial assistance for site acquisition and development, construction financing, and short- and long-term financing for housing, community facilities, and economic development; (2) leverage capital from private entities, including private financial institutions, insurance companies, and private philanthropic organizations; (3) provide technical assistance, training, support, and advice to develop the management, financial, and administrative capabilities of housing development organizations serving low-income households, including Hispanic households; and (4) conduct such other activities as may be determined by the Secretary and the National Council of La Raza. This bill has the following status: 4/23/2007: Referred to the House Committee on Financial Services. Here are members of the House Committe on Financial Services - PLEASE call them AND your House Representatives and object to HR 1999 aka the Hope Fund Act of 2007. Tell them you want them to sponsor a Hope Fund Act that benefits AMERICAN CITIZENS not ILLEGAL ALIENS or ONE RACE OF PEOPLE. Members of the House Committee on Financial Services: Who We Are The Committee oversees all components of the nation's housing and financial services sectors including banking, insurance, real estate, public and assisted housing, and securities. The Committee continually reviews the laws and programs relating to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Federal Reserve Bank, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and international development and finance agencies such as the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. The Committee also ensures enforcement of housing and consumer protection laws such as the U.S. Housing Act, the Truth In Lending Act, the Housing and Community Development Act, the Fair Credit Reporting Act, the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act, the Community Reinvestment Act, and financial privacy laws. Click here for a more detailed description of jurisdiction by subcommittee. Chairman Barney Frank represents Massachusetts' Fourth Congressional District. The other Democratic members of the Committee are: Rep. Paul E. Kanjorski, PA Rep. Maxine Waters, CA Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney, NY Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez, IL Rep. Nydia M. Velázquez, NY Rep. Melvin L. Watt, NC Rep. Gary L. Ackerman, NY Rep. Julia Carson, IN Rep. Brad Sherman, CA Rep. Gregory W. Meeks, NY Rep. Dennis Moore, KS Rep. Michael E. Capuano, MA Rep. Rubén Hinojosa, TX Rep. William Lacy Clay, MO Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, NY Rep. Joe Baca, CA Rep. Stephen F. Lynch, MA Rep. Brad Miller, NC Rep. David Scott, GA Rep. Al Green, TX Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, MO Rep. Melissa L. Bean, IL Rep. Gwen Moore, WI Rep. Lincoln Davis, TN Rep. Albio Sires, NJ Rep. Paul W. Hodes, NH Rep. Keith Ellison, MN Rep. Ron Klein, FL Rep. Tim Mahoney, FL Rep. Charles Wilson, OH Rep. Ed Perlmutter, CO Rep. Christopher S. Murphy, CT Rep. Joe Donnelly, IN Rep. Robert Wexler, (FL) Rep. Jim Marshall, GA Rep. Dan Boren, OK Republican Members Rep. Spencer Bachus, AL Rep. Richard H. Baker, LA Rep. Deborah Pryce, OH Rep. Michael N. Castle, DE Rep. Peter King, NY Rep. Edward R. Royce, CA Rep. Frank D. Lucas, OK Rep. Ron Paul, TX Rep. Paul E. Gillmor, OH Rep. Steven C. LaTourette, OH Rep. Donald A. Manzullo, IL Rep. Walter B. Jones , NC Rep. Judy Biggert, IL Rep. Christopher Shays, CT Rep. Gary G. Miller, CA Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, WV Rep. Tom Feeney, FL Rep. Jeb Hensarling, TX Rep. Scott Garrett, NJ Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, FL Rep. J. Gresham Barrett, SC Rep. Jim Gerlach, PA Rep. Stevan Pearce, NM Rep. Randy Neugebauer, TX Rep. Tom Price, GA Rep. Geoff Davis, KY Rep. Patrick T. McHenry, NC Rep. John Campbell, CA Rep. Adam Putnam, FL Rep. Michele Bachmann, MN Rep. Peter J. Roskam, IL Rep. Kenny Marchant, TX Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, MI NCLR Headquarters Office Raul Yzaguirre Building 1126 16th Street, NW Washington, DC 20036 Tel. (202) 785-1670 Fax (202) 776-1792 comments@nclr.org Press Contacts Atlanta Program Office Tel. (404) 658-1711 Fax (404) 420-3233 Chicago Program Office Tel. (312) 269-9250 Fax (312) 269-9260 Long Beach-Center for Latino and Community Health Tel. (562) 985-5242 Fax (562) 985-5048 Los Angeles Program Office Tel. (213) 489-3428 Fax (213) 489-1167 New York Office Tel. (212) 260-7070 Fax (212) 260-7039 Phoenix Program Office Tel. (602) 417-1400 Fax (602) 252-0315 Puerto Rico Program Office Tel. (787) 641-0546 Fax (787) 641-0545 nclr-pr@nclr.org Sacramento Policy Office Tel. (916) 448-9852 Fax (916) 448-9823 San Antonio Program Office Tel. (210) 212-4454 Fax (210) 212-4459 Wiki page on La Raza can be found here Among some of the entries are: Beginning in about 1975, the NCLR began expanding its focus to include the issues of non-Mexican American Latinos. This policy was officialized in 1979. By 1980, the NCLR was funded almost entirely by the federal government. When the Reagan Administration slashed social funding, the NCLR was forced to cut back the scale of its operations. As a result, the organization began focusing on national policy and concentrating its efforts in Washington, D.C. After the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, state governments exerted more control over the disbursement of welfare funds, which led to the development of the NCLR's Field Advocacy Project to influence decisions at the state and local levels. Isn't La Raza a 501(c) organization and if so, are they not prevented from participating in political influence to keep that 501(c) designation? Shouldn't someone be looking into this? More from the Wiki page: On September 20, 2006, Representative Norwood issued a press release calling the NCLR a "radical [...] pro-illegal immigration lobbying organization that supports racist groups calling for the secession of the western United States as a Hispanic-only homeland" and accusing the organization of undermining "the ability of state and local police to fight criminal illegal aliens." The NCLR immediately issued a press release to refute Norwood's claims and to demand an apology. He offered to extend an apology on seven conditions: Denounce and sever all ties with MEChA and any other organizations with which they are now or have ever been associated or funded which held to the racist doctrines published by MEChA. Denounce the statement "For La Raza to do [sic]. Fuera de La Raza nada" as repugnant, racist, and totally incompatible with American society or citizenship. Repudiate all claims that any current American territory rightfully belongs to Mexico. Acknowledge the right of all Americans to live wherever they choose in the United States, and that no section or region of this country should be segregated by race or ethnic heritage. Commit to sponsorship of nationwide educational programs to combat racism and anti-Semitism in the Hispanic community. Seek neutral, third party supervision to ensure that all community and individual assistance programs offered by La Raza and groups supported by La Raza are accessible to all Americans, regardless of race or ethnicity, and that participation in those programs is fully compliant with Equal Opportunity laws. Acknowledge the internationally recognized borders of the United States, the right of the citizens of the United States to determine immigration policy through the democratic process, and the right of the United States to undertake any and all necessary steps including military action to effectively enforce immigration law and defend its borders against unauthorized entry. The NCLR responded to Norwood's conditions apology in a point-by-point press release defending its policies, which it claims have never been racially or ethnically exclusionary, never supported and does not endorse the notion of a "Reconquista" or "Aztlán," and has never used, and unequivocally rejects, the motto "Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada."[10] It also disputes the charge that it supports illegal immigration, constantly reiterating its support for effective and reasonable border security and immigration-law enforcement. In a speech in San Diego, NCLR CEO Janet MurguÃa stated: "First, as a sovereign nation, the United States has the right to determine who comes and who stays. . . [It also] has a right to consider enforcement at a variety of levels, including border enforcement, interior enforcement, and workplace enforcement. . . We support enforcement... [because] as Americans, we recognize it's the right thing to do."[11] Oh really? Well then check out this page on nclr.org - where they support the many "immigration rallies" which are calling for giving amnesty to illegal aliens who have crossed that very border. La Raza seems to be VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF CROSSING OUR SOUTHERN BORDER ILLEGALLY for a BETTER LIFE. What they try to do is hide behind "immigrant rights" so that we and the idiot politicians and businesses who support them, might not notice that LEGAL IMMIGRANTS DO NOT NEED TO MARCH FOR RIGHTS. The only "immigrants" who might need more "rights" are THOSE WHO HAVE COME HERE ILLEGALLY and in my opinion, that does not make them "IMMIGRANTS" it makes them "INVADERS" or "THIEVES". A quote from here : The next step is to take the power in the streets and turn it into action, like thousands of calls to Congress for immigrant rights and a stronger America. A "stronger America" if we allow millions of "hard working" illegal aliens to continue to stream across our border SIEVE and then get the reward of American citizenship for those efforts? And NCLR supports a stronger southern border? COME ON! Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth La Ratza! We are on to you and you are not fooling US. Oh and here they are cheering for the passing of legislation for "Latino immigrant children". Translation - illegal alien children. Posts: 398 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 22, 2007 03:01 PM Show Post explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 03:05 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Beverly: Hey Dora the Explora this is fun!! Illegal ProtestAmerican Citizens who are tired of the illegal alien invasionAll About the National Council of LA RAZA (The RACE) August 29th, 2007 H/T to Dr ***le Kesselman of NJCIC From DiscoverTheNetworks.org - more reading on NCLR if you follow this link NCLR's major policy positions also include the following: It supports access to driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. It opposes the REAL ID Act, which requires that all driver's license and photo ID applicants be able to verify they are legal residents of the United States, and that the documents they present to prove their identity are genuine. According to La Raza, this law "opens the door to widespread discrimination and civil rights violations." It opposes the Clear Law Enforcement for Criminal Alien Removal Act (CLEAR), which would empower state and local law-enforcement authorities to enforce federal immigration laws. La Raza argues this would "result in higher levels of racial profiling, police misconduct, and other civil rights violations." It lobbies for racial and ethnic preferences (affirmative action) and set-asides in hiring, promotions, and college admissions. It supports bilingual education and bilingual ballots. It supports voting rights for illegal aliens. It supports stricter hate-crime laws. [but not if the victim is white ] It opposes the Aviation Transportation and Security Act requiring that all airport baggage screeners be U.S. citizens. It opposed President Bush's signing of the "Secure Fence Act of 2006" which authorized 700 miles of new border fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border. As columnist Michelle Malkin reports, La Raza seeks to inculcate young people with its worldview by funding a number of charter schools that advocate ethnic separatism and anti-American, anti-white attitudes. Among these schools are the following: Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, Arizona is "structured and developed around the concepts of identity, culture, and language." It supports local ethnic lobbying efforts "to right social injustices by educating the community and helping create social change." Under the heading "Greatest Achievements," the school's website lists its visit from the Marxist academic fraud Rigoberta Menchu, and its sponsorship of the Mexican holiday Dia de los Muertos. La Academia Semillas del Pueblo is a Los Angeles public school that teaches children "Aztec math" and the Mexican indigenous language of "Nahuatl." The principal, Marcos Aguilar, is an ethnic separatist who told a UCLA interviewer: "We don't want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don't need a White water fountain. ... We are not interested in what they have because we have so much more and because the world is so much larger. And ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction." [ ed: Well then get your BROWN *** out of our WHITE country you scumbag!] [ ed: Oh and you are very interested in "what we have" and you are trying to steal what we have built because you and your ilk are too **** lazy and stupid to fix your own **** country - Mexico ] Aztlan Academy in south Tucson seeks "to integrate a meaningful Chicano Studies program into [students'] lives, language, and academics, as a means of developing their intellects as well as their pride and self-esteem." ("Aztlan" is the separatist name for the Southwestern United States that NCLR hopes will someday reunite with Mexico.) [ so how does NOT encouraging learning the language of the country you live in develop intellect, pride and self-esteem? Are you preparing them to GO HOME to Mexico maybe? ] The Dolores Huerta Preparatory High School in Pueblo, Colorado is named after the Latina labor union activist who is a Board member of the Democratic Socialists of America. The Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in Saint Paul, Minnesota supports the aforementioned federal DREAM Act. An eminent figure in NCLR's history is Raul Yzaguirre, who served as the organization's President and CEO from 1974 to 2004. A notable former Chairman is Jose Villareal. [
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Illegal ProtestAmerican Citizens who are tired of the illegal alien invasionAll About the National Council of LA RAZA (The RACE) August 29th, 2007 H/T to Dr ***le Kesselman of NJCIC From DiscoverTheNetworks.org - more reading on NCLR if you follow this link NCLR's major policy positions also include the following: It supports access to driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. It opposes the REAL ID Act, which requires that all driver's license and photo ID applicants be able to verify they are legal residents of the United States, and that the documents they present to prove their identity are genuine. According to La Raza, this law "opens the door to widespread discrimination and civil rights violations." It opposes the Clear Law Enforcement for Criminal Alien Removal Act (CLEAR), which would empower state and local law-enforcement authorities to enforce federal immigration laws. La Raza argues this would "result in higher levels of racial profiling, police misconduct, and other civil rights violations." It lobbies for racial and ethnic preferences (affirmative action) and set-asides in hiring, promotions, and college admissions. It supports bilingual education and bilingual ballots. It supports voting rights for illegal aliens. It supports stricter hate-crime laws. [but not if the victim is white ] It opposes the Aviation Transportation and Security Act requiring that all airport baggage screeners be U.S. citizens. It opposed President Bush's signing of the "Secure Fence Act of 2006" which authorized 700 miles of new border fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border. As columnist Michelle Malkin reports, La Raza seeks to inculcate young people with its worldview by funding a number of charter schools that advocate ethnic separatism and anti-American, anti-white attitudes. Among these schools are the following: Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, Arizona is "structured and developed around the concepts of identity, culture, and language." It supports local ethnic lobbying efforts "to right social injustices by educating the community and helping create social change." Under the heading "Greatest Achievements," the school's website lists its visit from the Marxist academic fraud Rigoberta Menchu, and its sponsorship of the Mexican holiday Dia de los Muertos. La Academia Semillas del Pueblo is a Los Angeles public school that teaches children "Aztec math" and the Mexican indigenous language of "Nahuatl." The principal, Marcos Aguilar, is an ethnic separatist who told a UCLA interviewer: "We don't want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don't need a White water fountain. ... We are not interested in what they have because we have so much more and because the world is so much larger. And ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction." [ ed: Well then get your BROWN *** out of our WHITE country you scumbag!] [ ed: Oh and you are very interested in "what we have" and you are trying to steal what we have built because you and your ilk are too **** lazy and stupid to fix your own **** country - Mexico ] Aztlan Academy in south Tucson seeks "to integrate a meaningful Chicano Studies program into [students'] lives, language, and academics, as a means of developing their intellects as well as their pride and self-esteem." ("Aztlan" is the separatist name for the Southwestern United States that NCLR hopes will someday reunite with Mexico.) [ so how does NOT encouraging learning the language of the country you live in develop intellect, pride and self-esteem? Are you preparing them to GO HOME to Mexico maybe? ] The Dolores Huerta Preparatory High School in Pueblo, Colorado is named after the Latina labor union activist who is a Board member of the Democratic Socialists of America. The Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in Saint Paul, Minnesota supports the aforementioned federal DREAM Act. An eminent figure in NCLR's history is Raul Yzaguirre, who served as the organization's President and CEO from 1974 to 2004. A notable former Chairman is Jose Villareal. [see below for more on this dude] The organization's current President is Janet Murquia, who worked at the White House in various capacities from 1994 to 2000, ultimately as deputy assistant to President Bill Clinton. Immediately prior to joining NCLR, she was the Executive Vice Chancellor for University Relations at the University of Kansas. In 2005 NCLR received some $15.2 million in federal grants, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools; undisclosed amounts were earmarked for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions. NCLR also receives funding from the American Express Foundation; the Allstate Foundation; the AT&T Foundation; the Bank of America Foundation; the Carnegie Corporation of New York; the Annie E. Casey Foundation; the Fannie Mae Foundation; the Ford Foundation; the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation; the Joyce Foundation; the W. K. Kellogg Foundation; the John D. & Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation; the Open Society Institute; the David and Lucile Packard Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation; and the Verizon Foundation. NCLR's total revenues in 2005 were $25.3 million. Its net assets that year were nearly $52.4 million. "”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"” José Villarreal is the former chairman of the National Council of La Raza, the largest Hispanic organization in the United States. He was an aide to President Bill Clinton, a fundraiser and campaign co-chair for John Kerry in 2004, and the treasurer of Al Gore's 2000 presidential bid. He has also served as vice-chair of the board of the U.S. Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute, and was a presidential appointee to the Fannie Mae board of directors. In March 2007, he joined the presidential campaign of New York Senator Hillary Clinton. Just a wee bit of Hispandering huh Hillary? And guess what? Right now - I mean RIGHT NOW - there is a House Resolution in our Congress that is aiming to give La Raza $5 MILLION of our tax dollars and starting in 2008 we will be giving them $10 MILLION a year indefinitely. Here is the info on Congress.org on HR 1999: To authorize appropriations for assistance for the National Council of La Raza and the Raza Development Fund. Bill # H.R.1999 Original Sponsor: Ruben Hinojosa (D-TX 15th) Cosponsor Total: 5 (last sponsor added 05/16/2007) 4 Democrats 1 Republicans About This Legislation: 4/23/2007–Introduced. Hope Fund Act of 2007 - Directs the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development to make a grant to the National Council of La Raza to provide technical and financial assistance to local non-profit organizations to undertake community development and affordable housing projects and programs serving low- and moderate-income households, particularly through organizations located in neighborhoods with substantial populations of income-disadvantaged households of Hispanic origin. Authorizes the National Council of La Raza, or the Raza Development Fund, to use such funds to: (1) provide technical and financial assistance for site acquisition and development, construction financing, and short- and long-term financing for housing, community facilities, and economic development; (2) leverage capital from private entities, including private financial institutions, insurance companies, and private philanthropic organizations; and (3) provide technical assistance, training, support, and advice to develop the management, financial, and administrative capabilities of housing development organizations serving low-income households, including Hispanic households. [didn't you mean to say ONLY Hispanic households?] In the details of this bill: (b) Authorization of Appropriations- There is authorized to be appropriated for grants under this section– (1) $5,000,000 for fiscal year 2008; and (2) $10,000,000 for each fiscal year thereafter. (as in forever) Oh and here are some details left out of the "short" description - the critical #4 as listed here that conveniently DOES NOT appear in the summary: (1) provide technical and financial assistance for site acquisition and development, construction financing, and short- and long-term financing for housing, community facilities, and economic development; (2) leverage capital from private entities, including private financial institutions, insurance companies, and private philanthropic organizations; (3) provide technical assistance, training, support, and advice to develop the management, financial, and administrative capabilities of housing development organizations serving low-income households, including Hispanic households; and (4) conduct such other activities as may be determined by the Secretary and the National Council of La Raza. This bill has the following status: 4/23/2007: Referred to the House Committee on Financial Services. Here are members of the House Committe on Financial Services - PLEASE call them AND your House Representatives and object to HR 1999 aka the Hope Fund Act of 2007. Tell them you want them to sponsor a Hope Fund Act that benefits AMERICAN CITIZENS not ILLEGAL ALIENS or ONE RACE OF PEOPLE. Members of the House Committee on Financial Services: Who We Are The Committee oversees all components of the nation's housing and financial services sectors including banking, insurance, real estate, public and assisted housing, and securities. The Committee continually reviews the laws and programs relating to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Federal Reserve Bank, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and international development and finance agencies such as the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. The Committee also ensures enforcement of housing and consumer protection laws such as the U.S. Housing Act, the Truth In Lending Act, the Housing and Community Development Act, the Fair Credit Reporting Act, the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act, the Community Reinvestment Act, and financial privacy laws. Click here for a more detailed description of jurisdiction by subcommittee. Chairman Barney Frank represents Massachusetts' Fourth Congressional District. The other Democratic members of the Committee are: Rep. Paul E. Kanjorski, PA Rep. Maxine Waters, CA Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney, NY Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez, IL Rep. Nydia M. Velázquez, NY Rep. Melvin L. Watt, NC Rep. Gary L. Ackerman, NY Rep. Julia Carson, IN Rep. Brad Sherman, CA Rep. Gregory W. Meeks, NY Rep. Dennis Moore, KS Rep. Michael E. Capuano, MA Rep. Rubén Hinojosa, TX Rep. William Lacy Clay, MO Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, NY Rep. Joe Baca, CA Rep. Stephen F. Lynch, MA Rep. Brad Miller, NC Rep. David Scott, GA Rep. Al Green, TX Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, MO Rep. Melissa L. Bean, IL Rep. Gwen Moore, WI Rep. Lincoln Davis, TN Rep. Albio Sires, NJ Rep. Paul W. Hodes, NH Rep. Keith Ellison, MN Rep. Ron Klein, FL Rep. Tim Mahoney, FL Rep. Charles Wilson, OH Rep. Ed Perlmutter, CO Rep. Christopher S. Murphy, CT Rep. Joe Donnelly, IN Rep. Robert Wexler, (FL) Rep. Jim Marshall, GA Rep. Dan Boren, OK Republican Members Rep. Spencer Bachus, AL Rep. Richard H. Baker, LA Rep. Deborah Pryce, OH Rep. Michael N. Castle, DE Rep. Peter King, NY Rep. Edward R. Royce, CA Rep. Frank D. Lucas, OK Rep. Ron Paul, TX Rep. Paul E. Gillmor, OH Rep. Steven C. LaTourette, OH Rep. Donald A. Manzullo, IL Rep. Walter B. Jones , NC Rep. Judy Biggert, IL Rep. Christopher Shays, CT Rep. Gary G. Miller, CA Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, WV Rep. Tom Feeney, FL Rep. Jeb Hensarling, TX Rep. Scott Garrett, NJ Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, FL Rep. J. Gresham Barrett, SC Rep. Jim Gerlach, PA Rep. Stevan Pearce, NM Rep. Randy Neugebauer, TX Rep. Tom Price, GA Rep. Geoff Davis, KY Rep. Patrick T. McHenry, NC Rep. John Campbell, CA Rep. Adam Putnam, FL Rep. Michele Bachmann, MN Rep. Peter J. Roskam, IL Rep. Kenny Marchant, TX Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, MI NCLR Headquarters Office Raul Yzaguirre Building 1126 16th Street, NW Washington, DC 20036 Tel. (202) 785-1670 Fax (202) 776-1792 comments@nclr.org Press Contacts Atlanta Program Office Tel. (404) 658-1711 Fax (404) 420-3233 Chicago Program Office Tel. (312) 269-9250 Fax (312) 269-9260 Long Beach-Center for Latino and Community Health Tel. (562) 985-5242 Fax (562) 985-5048 Los Angeles Program Office Tel. (213) 489-3428 Fax (213) 489-1167 New York Office Tel. (212) 260-7070 Fax (212) 260-7039 Phoenix Program Office Tel. (602) 417-1400 Fax (602) 252-0315 Puerto Rico Program Office Tel. (787) 641-0546 Fax (787) 641-0545 nclr-pr@nclr.org Sacramento Policy Office Tel. (916) 448-9852 Fax (916) 448-9823 San Antonio Program Office Tel. (210) 212-4454 Fax (210) 212-4459 Wiki page on La Raza can be found here Among some of the entries are: Beginning in about 1975, the NCLR began expanding its focus to include the issues of non-Mexican American Latinos. This policy was officialized in 1979. By 1980, the NCLR was funded almost entirely by the federal government. When the Reagan Administration slashed social funding, the NCLR was forced to cut back the scale of its operations. As a result, the organization began focusing on national policy and concentrating its efforts in Washington, D.C. After the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, state governments exerted more control over the disbursement of welfare funds, which led to the development of the NCLR's Field Advocacy Project to influence decisions at the state and local levels. Isn't La Raza a 501(c) organization and if so, are they not prevented from participating in political influence to keep that 501(c) designation? Shouldn't someone be looking into this? More from the Wiki page: On September 20, 2006, Representative Norwood issued a press release calling the NCLR a "radical [...] pro-illegal immigration lobbying organization that supports racist groups calling for the secession of the western United States as a Hispanic-only homeland" and accusing the organization of undermining "the ability of state and local police to fight criminal illegal aliens." The NCLR immediately issued a press release to refute Norwood's claims and to demand an apology. He offered to extend an apology on seven conditions: Denounce and sever all ties with MEChA and any other organizations with which they are now or have ever been associated or funded which held to the racist doctrines published by MEChA. Denounce the statement "For La Raza to do [sic]. Fuera de La Raza nada" as repugnant, racist, and totally incompatible with American society or citizenship. Repudiate all claims that any current American territory rightfully belongs to Mexico. Acknowledge the right of all Americans to live wherever they choose in the United States, and that no section or region of this country should be segregated by race or ethnic heritage. Commit to sponsorship of nationwide educational programs to combat racism and anti-Semitism in the Hispanic community. Seek neutral, third party supervision to ensure that all community and individual assistance programs offered by La Raza and groups supported by La Raza are accessible to all Americans, regardless of race or ethnicity, and that participation in those programs is fully compliant with Equal Opportunity laws. Acknowledge the internationally recognized borders of the United States, the right of the citizens of the United States to determine immigration policy through the democratic process, and the right of the United States to undertake any and all necessary steps including military action to effectively enforce immigration law and defend its borders against unauthorized entry. The NCLR responded to Norwood's conditions apology in a point-by-point press release defending its policies, which it claims have never been racially or ethnically exclusionary, never supported and does not endorse the notion of a "Reconquista" or "Aztlán," and has never used, and unequivocally rejects, the motto "Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada."[10] It also disputes the charge that it supports illegal immigration, constantly reiterating its support for effective and reasonable border security and immigration-law enforcement. In a speech in San Diego, NCLR CEO Janet MurguÃa stated: "First, as a sovereign nation, the United States has the right to determine who comes and who stays. . . [It also] has a right to consider enforcement at a variety of levels, including border enforcement, interior enforcement, and workplace enforcement. . . We support enforcement... [because] as Americans, we recognize it's the right thing to do."[11] Oh really? Well then check out this page on nclr.org - where they support the many "immigration rallies" which are calling for giving amnesty to illegal aliens who have crossed that very border. La Raza seems to be VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF CROSSING OUR SOUTHERN BORDER ILLEGALLY for a BETTER LIFE. What they try to do is hide behind "immigrant rights" so that we and the idiot politicians and businesses who support them, might not notice that LEGAL IMMIGRANTS DO NOT NEED TO MARCH FOR RIGHTS. The only "immigrants" who might need more "rights" are THOSE WHO HAVE COME HERE ILLEGALLY and in my opinion, that does not make them "IMMIGRANTS" it makes them "INVADERS" or "THIEVES". A quote from here : The next step is to take the power in the streets and turn it into action, like thousands of calls to Congress for immigrant rights and a stronger America. A "stronger America" if we allow millions of "hard working" illegal aliens to continue to stream across our border SIEVE and then get the reward of American citizenship for those efforts? And NCLR supports a stronger southern border? COME ON! Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth La Ratza! We are on to you and you are not fooling US. Oh and here they are cheering for the passing of legislation for "Latino immigrant children". Translation - illegal alien children. Posts: 399 | Registered: November 30, 2007 explora Power Member Posted December 22, 2007 03:06 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by Beverly: I'd love to stay and spam with you because this really is fun but I gotta run now. Try not to get deported while I'm gone . . . Hey Dora the Explora this is fun!! Illegal ProtestAmerican Citizens who are tired of the illegal alien invasionAll About the National Council of LA RAZA (The RACE) August 29th, 2007 H/T to Dr ***le Kesselman of NJCIC From DiscoverTheNetworks.org - more reading on NCLR if you follow this link NCLR's major policy positions also include the following: It supports access to driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. It opposes the REAL ID Act, which requires that all driver's license and photo ID applicants be able to verify they are legal residents of the United States, and that the documents they present to prove their identity are genuine. According to La Raza, this law "opens the door to widespread discrimination and civil rights violations." It opposes the Clear Law Enforcement for Criminal Alien Removal Act (CLEAR), which would empower state and local law-enforcement authorities to enforce federal immigration laws. La Raza argues this would "result in higher levels of racial profiling, police misconduct, and other civil rights violations." It lobbies for racial and ethnic preferences (affirmative action) and set-asides in hiring, promotions, and college admissions. It supports bilingual education and bilingual ballots. It supports voting rights for illegal aliens. It supports stricter hate-crime laws. [but not if the victim is white ] It opposes the Aviation Transportation and Security Act requiring that all airport baggage screeners be U.S. citizens. It opposed President Bush's signing of the "Secure Fence Act of 2006" which authorized 700 miles of new border fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border. As columnist Michelle Malkin reports, La Raza seeks to inculcate young people with its worldview by funding a number of charter schools that advocate ethnic separatism and anti-American, anti-white attitudes. Among these schools are the following: Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, Arizona is "structured and developed around the concepts of identity, culture, and language." It supports local ethnic lobbying efforts "to right social injustices by educating the community and helping create social change." Under the heading "Greatest Achievements," the school's website lists its visit from the Marxist academic fraud Rigoberta Menchu, and its sponsorship of the Mexican holiday Dia de los Muertos. La Academia Semillas del Pueblo is a Los Angeles public school that teaches children "Aztec math" and the Mexican indigenous language of "Nahuatl." The principal, Marcos Aguilar, is an ethnic separatist who told a UCLA interviewer: "We don't want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don't need a White water fountain. ... We are not interested in what they have because we have so much more and because the world is so much larger. And ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction." [ ed: Well then get your BROWN *** out of our WHITE country you scumbag!] [ ed: Oh and you are very interested in "what we have" and you are trying to steal what we have built because you and your ilk are too **** lazy and stupid to fix your own **** country - Mexico ] Aztlan Academy in south Tucson seeks "to integrate a meaningful Chicano Studies program into [students'] lives, language, and academics, as a means of developing their intellects as well as their pride and self-esteem." ("Aztlan" is the separatist name for the Southwestern United States that NCLR hopes will someday reunite with Mexico.) [ so how does NOT encouraging learning the language of the country you live in develop intellect, pride and self-esteem? Are you preparing them to GO HOME to Mexico maybe? ] The Dolores Huerta Preparatory High School in Pueblo, Colorado is named after the Latina labor union activist who is a Board member of the Democratic Socialists of America. The Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in Saint Paul, Minnesota supports the aforementioned federal DREAM Act. An eminent figure in NCLR's history is Raul Yzaguirre, who served as the organization's President and CEO from 1974 to 2004. A notable former Chairman is Jose Villareal. [see below for more on this dude] The organization's current President is Janet Murquia, who worked at the White House in various capacities from 1994 to 2000, ultimately as deputy assistant to President Bill Clinton. Immediately prior to joining NCLR, she was the Executive Vice Chancellor for University Relations at the University of Kansas. In 2005 NCLR received some $15.2 million in federal grants, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools; undisclosed amounts were earmarked for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions. NCLR also receives funding from the American Express Foundation; the Allstate Foundation; the AT&T Foundation; the Bank of America Foundation; the Carnegie Corporation of New York; the Annie E. Casey Foundation; the Fannie Mae Foundation; the Ford Foundation; the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation; the Joyce Foundation; the W. K. Kellogg Foundation; the John D. & Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation; the Open Society Institute; the David and Lucile Packard Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation; and the Verizon Foundation. NCLR's total revenues in 2005 were $25.3 million. Its net assets that year were nearly $52.4 million. "”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"” José Villarreal is the former chairman of the National Council of La Raza, the largest Hispanic organization in the United States. He was an aide to President Bill Clinton, a fundraiser and campaign co-chair for John Kerry in 2004, and the treasurer of Al Gore's 2000 presidential bid. He has also served as vice-chair of the board of the U.S. Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute, and was a presidential appointee to the Fannie Mae board of directors. In March 2007, he joined the presidential campaign of New York Senator Hillary Clinton. Just a wee bit of Hispandering huh Hillary? And guess what? Right now - I mean RIGHT NOW - there is a House Resolution in our Congress that is aiming to give La Raza $5 MILLION of our tax dollars and starting in 2008 we will be giving them $10 MILLION a year indefinitely. Here is the info on Congress.org on HR 1999: To authorize appropriations for assistance for the National Council of La Raza and the Raza Development Fund. Bill # H.R.1999 Original Sponsor: Ruben Hinojosa (D-TX 15th) Cosponsor Total: 5 (last sponsor added 05/16/2007) 4 Democrats 1 Republicans About This Legislation: 4/23/2007–Introduced. Hope Fund Act of 2007 - Directs the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development to make a grant to the National Council of La Raza to provide technical and financial assistance to local non-profit organizations to undertake community development and affordable housing projects and programs serving low- and moderate-income households, particularly through organizations located in neighborhoods with substantial populations of income-disadvantaged households of Hispanic origin. Authorizes the National Council of La Raza, or the Raza Development Fund, to use such funds to: (1) provide technical and financial assistance for site acquisition and development, construction financing, and short- and long-term financing for housing, community facilities, and economic development; (2) leverage capital from private entities, including private financial institutions, insurance companies, and private philanthropic organizations; and (3) provide technical assistance, training, support, and advice to develop the management, financial, and administrative capabilities of housing development organizations serving low-income households, including Hispanic households. [didn't you mean to say ONLY Hispanic households?] In the details of this bill: (b) Authorization of Appropriations- There is authorized to be appropriated for grants under this section– (1) $5,000,000 for fiscal year 2008; and (2) $10,000,000 for each fiscal year thereafter. (as in forever) Oh and here are some details left out of the "short" description - the critical #4 as listed here that conveniently DOES NOT appear in the summary: (1) provide technical and financial assistance for site acquisition and development, construction financing, and short- and long-term financing for housing, community facilities, and economic development; (2) leverage capital from private entities, including private financial institutions, insurance companies, and private philanthropic organizations; (3) provide technical assistance, training, support, and advice to develop the management, financial, and administrative capabilities of housing development organizations serving low-income households, including Hispanic households; and (4) conduct such other activities as may be determined by the Secretary and the National Council of La Raza. This bill has the following status: 4/23/2007: Referred to the House Committee on Financial Services. Here are members of the House Committe on Financial Services - PLEASE call them AND your House Representatives and object to HR 1999 aka the Hope Fund Act of 2007. Tell them you want them to sponsor a Hope Fund Act that benefits AMERICAN CITIZENS not ILLEGAL ALIENS or ONE RACE OF PEOPLE. Members of the House Committee on Financial Services: Who We Are The Committee oversees all components of the nation's housing and financial services sectors including banking, insurance, real estate, public and assisted housing, and securities. The Committee continually reviews the laws and programs relating to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Federal Reserve Bank, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and international development and finance agencies such as the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. The Committee also ensures enforcement of housing and consumer protection laws such as the U.S. Housing Act, the Truth In Lending Act, the Housing and Community Development Act, the Fair Credit Reporting Act, the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act, the Community Reinvestment Act, and financial privacy laws. Click here for a more detailed description of jurisdiction by subcommittee. Chairman Barney Frank represents Massachusetts' Fourth Congressional District. The other Democratic members of the Committee are: Rep. Paul E. Kanjorski, PA Rep. Maxine Waters, CA Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney, NY Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez, IL Rep. Nydia M. Velázquez, NY Rep. Melvin L. Watt, NC Rep. Gary L. Ackerman, NY Rep. Julia Carson, IN Rep. Brad Sherman, CA Rep. Gregory W. Meeks, NY Rep. Dennis Moore, KS Rep. Michael E. Capuano, MA Rep. Rubén Hinojosa, TX Rep. William Lacy Clay, MO Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, NY Rep. Joe Baca, CA Rep. Stephen F. Lynch, MA Rep. Brad Miller, NC Rep. David Scott, GA Rep. Al Green, TX Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, MO Rep. Melissa L. Bean, IL Rep. Gwen Moore, WI Rep. Lincoln Davis, TN Rep. Albio Sires, NJ Rep. Paul W. Hodes, NH Rep. Keith Ellison, MN Rep. Ron Klein, FL Rep. Tim Mahoney, FL Rep. Charles Wilson, OH Rep. Ed Perlmutter, CO Rep. Christopher S. Murphy, CT Rep. Joe Donnelly, IN Rep. Robert Wexler, (FL) Rep. Jim Marshall, GA Rep. Dan Boren, OK Republican Members Rep. Spencer Bachus, AL Rep. Richard H. Baker, LA Rep. Deborah Pryce, OH Rep. Michael N. Castle, DE Rep. Peter King, NY Rep. Edward R. Royce, CA Rep. Frank D. Lucas, OK Rep. Ron Paul, TX Rep. Paul E. Gillmor, OH Rep. Steven C. LaTourette, OH Rep. Donald A. Manzullo, IL Rep. Walter B. Jones , NC Rep. Judy Biggert, IL Rep. Christopher Shays, CT Rep. Gary G. Miller, CA Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, WV Rep. Tom Feeney, FL Rep. Jeb Hensarling, TX Rep. Scott Garrett, NJ Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, FL Rep. J. Gresham Barrett, SC Rep. Jim Gerlach, PA Rep. Stevan Pearce, NM Rep. Randy Neugebauer, TX Rep. Tom Price, GA Rep. Geoff Davis, KY Rep. Patrick T. McHenry, NC Rep. John Campbell, CA Rep. Adam Putnam, FL Rep. Michele Bachmann, MN Rep. Peter J. Roskam, IL Rep. Kenny Marchant, TX Rep. Thaddeus McCotter, MI NCLR Headquarters Office Raul Yzaguirre Building 1126 16th Street, NW Washington, DC 20036 Tel. (202) 785-1670 Fax (202) 776-1792 comments@nclr.org Press Contacts Atlanta Program Office Tel. (404) 658-1711 Fax (404) 420-3233 Chicago Program Office Tel. (312) 269-9250 Fax (312) 269-9260 Long Beach-Center for Latino and Community Health Tel. (562) 985-5242 Fax (562) 985-5048 Los Angeles Program Office Tel. (213) 489-3428 Fax (213) 489-1167 New York Office Tel. (212) 260-7070 Fax (212) 260-7039 Phoenix Program Office Tel. (602) 417-1400 Fax (602) 252-0315 Puerto Rico Program Office Tel. (787) 641-0546 Fax (787) 641-0545 nclr-pr@nclr.org Sacramento Policy Office Tel. (916) 448-9852 Fax (916) 448-9823 San Antonio Program Office Tel. (210) 212-4454 Fax (210) 212-4459 Wiki page on La Raza can be found here Among some of the entries are: Beginning in about 1975, the NCLR began expanding its focus to include the issues of non-Mexican American Latinos. This policy was officialized in 1979. By 1980, the NCLR was funded almost entirely by the federal government. When the Reagan Administration slashed social funding, the NCLR was forced to cut back the scale of its operations. As a result, the organization began focusing on national policy and concentrating its efforts in Washington, D.C. After the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, state governments exerted more control over the disbursement of welfare funds, which led to the development of the NCLR's Field Advocacy Project to influence decisions at the state and local levels. Isn't La Raza a 501(c) organization and if so, are they not prevented from participating in political influence to keep that 501(c) designation? Shouldn't someone be looking into this? More from the Wiki page: On September 20, 2006, Representative Norwood issued a press release calling the NCLR a "radical [...] pro-illegal immigration lobbying organization that supports racist groups calling for the secession of the western United States as a Hispanic-only homeland" and accusing the organization of undermining "the ability of state and local police to fight criminal illegal aliens." The NCLR immediately issued a press release to refute Norwood's claims and to demand an apology. He offered to extend an apology on seven conditions: Denounce and sever all ties with MEChA and any other organizations with which they are now or have ever been associated or funded which held to the racist doctrines published by MEChA. Denounce the statement "For La Raza to do [sic]. Fuera de La Raza nada" as repugnant, racist, and totally incompatible with American society or citizenship. Repudiate all claims that any current American territory rightfully belongs to Mexico. Acknowledge the right of all Americans to live wherever they choose in the United States, and that no section or region of this country should be segregated by race or ethnic heritage. Commit to sponsorship of nationwide educational programs to combat racism and anti-Semitism in the Hispanic community. Seek neutral, third party supervision to ensure that all community and individual assistance programs offered by La Raza and groups supported by La Raza are accessible to all Americans, regardless of race or ethnicity, and that participation in those programs is fully compliant with Equal Opportunity laws. Acknowledge the internationally recognized borders of the United States, the right of the citizens of the United States to determine immigration policy through the democratic process, and the right of the United States to undertake any and all necessary steps including military action to effectively enforce immigration law and defend its borders against unauthorized entry. The NCLR responded to Norwood's conditions apology in a point-by-point press release defending its policies, which it claims have never been racially or ethnically exclusionary, never supported and does not endorse the notion of a "Reconquista" or "Aztlán," and has never used, and unequivocally rejects, the motto "Por La Raza todo, Fuera de La Raza nada."[10] It also disputes the charge that it supports illegal immigration, constantly reiterating its support for effective and reasonable border security and immigration-law enforcement. In a speech in San Diego, NCLR CEO Janet MurguÃa stated: "First, as a sovereign nation, the United States has the right to determine who comes and who stays. . . [It also] has a right to consider enforcement at a variety of levels, including border enforcement, interior enforcement, and workplace enforcement. . . We support enforcement... [because] as Americans, we recognize it's the right thing to do."[11] Oh really? Well then check out this page on nclr.org - where they support the many "immigration rallies" which are calling for giving amnesty to illegal aliens who have crossed that very border. La Raza seems to be VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF CROSSING OUR SOUTHERN BORDER ILLEGALLY for a BETTER LIFE. What they try to do is hide behind "immigrant rights" so that we and the idiot politicians and businesses who support them, might not notice that LEGAL IMMIGRANTS DO NOT NEED TO MARCH FOR RIGHTS. The only "immigrants" who might need more "rights" are THOSE WHO HAVE COME HERE ILLEGALLY and in my opinion, that does not make them "IMMIGRANTS" it makes them "INVADERS" or "THIEVES". A quote from here : The next step is to take the power in the streets and turn it into action, like thousands of calls to Congress for immigrant rights and a stronger America. A "stronger America" if we allow millions of "hard working" illegal aliens to continue to stream across our border SIEVE and then get the reward of American citizenship for those efforts? And NCLR supports a stronger southern border? COME ON! Stop talking out of both sides of your mouth La Ratza! We are on to you and you are not fooling US. Oh and here they are cheering for the passing of legislation for "Latino immigrant children". Translation - illegal alien children. 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Copyright © 1995-2007 ILW.COM, American Immigration LLC. Advanced search Home Page ILW.COM Homepage discuss.ilw.com discuss.ilw.com Immigration Discussion American Exploitation Page 1 2 3 4 Go New Find Notify Tools Reply Admin New PM! Personal Zone » Member Directory discuss.ilw.com » Chat Rooms » Profile Buddies Ignore List Groups Permissions Private Messaging Notifications Karma Preferences Favorites More... Discussion Private Message Photo Al*** Keyword Search Search current forum only Advanced Search New Since your Last Visit Active Topics in this Category Add to My Favorites Printer Friendly Format Email a Friend Help Manage Topic Manage Content in This Topic Manage Members Online Now Control Panel Rate It! Login/JoinWelcome, Beverly [Logout] Beverly Senior Member Posted December 14, 2007 10:38 AM Hundreds Use Fake IDs for Food Stamps Posted: Dec. 12, 2007 Raleigh, NC "” A state audit has found that hundreds of people have used bogus Social Security numbers to obtain food stamps. From July 2002 to last April, 1,906 people were receiving food stamps from the state Department of Social Services based on invalid Social Security numbers, the audit report stated. Another 1,237 food stamp recipients were using the Social Security numbers of dead people, according to the audit. DSS security measures had previously disqualified 5,840 people from the food stamp program after determining they were using phony Social Security numbers, according to the audit. DSS officials said they have developed new screens to help validate the Social Security numbers of all food stamp recipients. http://wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/2163200/ Posts: 401 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Beverly Senior Member Posted December 14, 2007 10:40 AM Hide Post Homegrown' Attack More Likely in U.S., Chertoff Says (Update1) By Jeff Bliss Dec. 12 (Bloomberg) -- A ``homegrown'' terrorist is more likely to attack the U.S. than a group from overseas, and the consequences wouldn't be as devastating, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said. ``It's much harder in a free country to prevent a single person from getting their hands on a weapon,'' Chertoff told reporters on a conference call. Such an attack, though, probably ``will be less cataclysmic'' than those on Sept. 11, 2001, he said today. Chertoff said the U.S. still faces ``a somewhat heightened threat'' because of al-Qaeda's success in reconstituting itself within safe havens in Pakistan, a warning the Bush administration first issued in July. Yet U.S. authorities have had success in deterring overseas militants from getting into the country, he said. Chertoff, previewing a speech he gave this afternoon to political and anti-terrorism analysts in Washington, stressed the need for Americans to remain vigilant. Homeland Security and law enforcement officials can never guarantee they'll be aware of all terrorists within the country because of the broad access to firearms, bomb-making materials and radical Internet Web sites, Chertoff said. ``The price of freedom is a certain amount'' of risk, he said. Driver's Licenses Chertoff said in 2008 he plans to more vigorously defend his department's program of getting states to issue driver's licenses that are difficult to forge. Civil libertarians who question the program must justify ``why I should rejoice in the fact a 16-year-old can get on a computer and make an ID and pretend to be me,'' he said. State officials have criticized the Bush administration for not providing more money to help them convert to the new licenses. Chertoff said he would lobby Congress for more money. Next year's priorities also include erecting 670 miles of vehicle barriers and fencing on the Southwestern border, he said. Chertoff, one of President George W. Bush's lead negotiators on failed legislation creating a temporary worker program, said during his speech, ``I am not prepared to give up on some comprehensive reform'' of U.S. immigration law. Last Updated: December 12, 2007 15:14 EST http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aKnNaElcuD8s&refer=home Posts: 401 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 14, 2007 10:40 AM Show Post Beverly Senior Member Posted December 14, 2007 10:42 AM Hide Post Sheriff's deportation power bid under fire Latino group seeks meeting December 14, 2007 By RYAN PAGELOW rpagelow@scn1.com WAUKEGAN -- A group of Latino leaders is urging the Lake County Sheriff's Office to withdraw its application for the federal authority to initiate deportation proceedings against immigrants convicted of serious crimes. The Waukegan Leadership Council, which formed in the aftermath of Waukegan's application to the same program this summer, said there is already a process in place to deport serious criminals who are foreign-born. The council's main concern is that deportation powers would erode immigrants' trust of police if local law enforcement is linked to federal immigration enforcement. The group sent a letter to Sheriff Mark Curran asking for a meeting because the decision to seek federal 287(g) authority was done without community input, said Porfirio Garcia, president of the Waukegan Leadership Council and owner of ReGar Realty, Inc. in Gurnee. "The sheriff didn't ask for public opinion," Garcia said during a news conference Thursday. Earlier this month, Curran announced that his office applied for six correctional officers to receive cross designation as Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents under 287(g) and at the time said it was not open to debate. As of Thursday, he had not been personally asked to meet with the Waukegan Leadership Council, Curran said. "If it's about debating the benefits of 287(g), they should hold their breath," he said. "I'm not going to take a poll or meet with groups to see if it's OK to uphold the law." If the sheriff's application is approved, the six corrections officers at Lake County Jail would be trained to begin deportation proceedings against immigrants convicted of violent crimes, *** offenses and Class X or Class 1 drug felonies. The sheriff's office has partnered with ICE on warrants initiatives in the past. "It's nothing that they're not doing already. It's simply assisting them," Curran said. "We are not opposed to removing the criminal element from the community," said Waukegan 4th Ward Ald. Tony Figueroa, who is also a board member of the Waukegan Leadership Council. But immigrants often fear local law enforcement when they are linked to immigration agents, Figueroa said. "We've already seen this in Waukegan. People are afraid to call police," he said. http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/newssun/news/696558,...CEPROTEST_S1.article Posts: 401 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 14, 2007 10:42 AM Show Post Beverly Senior Member Posted December 14, 2007 10:46 AM Hide Post Illinois bends to feds on weeding out illegal workers by Frank James We reported back in September about a lawsuit the Homeland Security Department filed against Illinois to stop the state from interfering with the use by employers in Illinois of the E-Verify system to check workers' legal status to work in the U.S. Homeland Security and the state have reached an agreement that will permit employers in Illinois to use the Internet-linked federal database to check to see if their workers are legally in the U.S. and allowed by law to work. Here's a press release from the federal agency. Statement by Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on the E-VERIFY LAWSUIT WITH ILLINOIS In September, we filed a lawsuit in federal court to declare invalid an Illinois statute that effectively forbids Illinois employers from enrolling in the department's E-Verify system. The statute was to become effective on January 1, 2008, but in papers filed with the court yesterday, the state agreed not to enforce it until the department's lawsuit against the state is resolved. It also disclosed that the Illinois legislature is considering a bill to address the legal issues raised in the suit. The department will communicate with each of the Illinois employers enrolled in E-Verify to let them know that they may continue using E-Verify without fear of a state enforcement action on January 1. The state's decision also allows employers planning to enroll in E-Verify to do so without the threat of state enforcement against them. Illinois employers will now have the ability to verify the legality of their workforce without interruption or fear of reprisal by the state. In a motion filed with DHS, the state requested a sixty day stay of the lawsuit so that the Illinois legislature would have an opportunity to consider proposed changes in the Illinois statute. I remain hopeful that Illinois will amend its law so that Illinois employers can continue to utilize this valuable tool without the need for further litigation. E-Verify is an online system that allows employers to check whether a worker's name and Social Security number are valid and the individual is authorized to work in our country. It gets consistently good reviews from the employers who use it, and we continue to work to improve the system's protections against fraud. We've upgraded E-Verify with a photo tool that allows employers to compare the photo on a person's driver's license or ID card against federal databases, thus making sure the documents are not fraudulent or stolen. This program is free of charge and has been used by more than 30,000 employers enrolled nationwide, and over 900 employers in Illinois alone. Last year, over 3 million new employees were checked nationwide using this system. Congress has repeatedly acknowledged that rampant document and identity fraud has significantly undermined the existing system for stopping illegal workers from getting jobs, and E-Verify is the best available way for employers to ensure their workforce is legally authorized to work. So the program can go forward in Illinois until the lawsuit is disposed of, which may take years. And as the Homeland Security release says, Illinois's legislature may pass a new law that would effectively remove the barrier the state had placed in the way of employers wanting to check their employees' legal status. Illinois legislators who supported the state's move to block employers' use of E-Verify had argued, as did immigration advocates, that the database wasn't completely accurate. They said there would be too many instances of false postives, workers with the legal right to work in the U.S., either through U.S. citizenship or because they had the proper visas, being falsely reported as illegal. But there is growing pressure, even in states with large immigrant populations, for tougher enforcement of existing immigration laws. Illinois's move can be interpreted as an acknowledgement of how the intense desire for enforcement is not only coloring national politics, but changing the dynamics of the debate in statehouses as well. It's a lesson New York's Gov. Eliot Spitzer recently learned the hard way after he was forced, following a fierce backlash, to renounce his plan to give illegal immigrants an official state drivers license. That sent a message to lawmakers all over the country, including Illinois. http://oneoldvet.com/?p=4098#more-4098 Posts: 401 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 14, 2007 10:46 AM Show Post Beverly Senior Member Posted December 14, 2007 10:51 AM Hide Post Even before their deaths prompted a series of heated debates about the use of deadly force, detectives at the Department of Public Safety had their eye on Diego Ortiz and Miguel Dejesus. The two were shot and killed by Joe Horn, a Pasadena man who thought they were burglarizing his neighbor's home last month. According to a DPS memo obtained by 11 News, the department was investigating the use of Puerto Rican birth certificates by Colombians seeking to obtain Texas driver's licenses. Both Ortiz and Dejesus had applied for licenses. Dejesus listed his country of origin as Puerto Rico, but both men were Colombian. Pasadena resident reportedly shoots suspected thieves Should the Pasadena man who shot two alleged thieves be prosecuted? Yes, he broke the law when he shot the men. No, he did the right thing. I don't know. View Results Apparently, the DPS is investigating hundreds of immigrants who may have used illegal papers to get Texas licenses. But that's not all. A much wider probe has been launched into an organized syndicate of Colombians who are engaged in illegal weapons sales and home break-ins – just like the one Ortiz and Dejesus were involved in last month in Pasadena. That day, Joe Horn and a shotgun stood in the way of the suspected thieves, but in many instances the suspects have gotten away. The ATF, ICE and DPS have reportedly formed a task force to bring the crime wave to an end. The burglars are said to be very effective at what they do, conducting extensive surveillance on their targets before striking. Some of the suspects are extremely violent. The investigations have already led to several arrests. Posts: 401 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 14, 2007 10:51 AM Show Post Beverly Senior Member Posted December 14, 2007 11:00 AM Hide Post Hola, boss. That's it, you're outta here! Thursday, December 13, 2007, 06:30 AM The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Rep. Tom Price, a Roswell Republican, introduced legislation Wednesday that could generate pink slips for employees across the country who don't speak English. Price's "Common Sense English Act" would amend the Civil Rights Act to allow employers to require workers to speak English while on the job. Price said that a bill that's likely to find an appreciative audience in Georgia, where immigration legislation ignited a firestorm earlier this year, is necessary to "productivity and success in America." "English is the language that unites our society and keeps our economy," Price said in a statement. "Denying employers the right to promote our national language in the workplace only encourages division and creates troublesome misunderstandings." Permalink | Comments (80) | Post your comment | Comments By Voter *80 COMMENTS!* http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/polit..._it_youre_outta.html Posts: 401 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 14, 2007 11:00 AM Show Post Beverly Senior Member Posted December 14, 2007 12:44 PM Hide Post Quick Links"24"FSM Research - Illegal Aliens and our National SecurityDonate - It's fast and easy!Latest FSM PollAre College Students at Risk in The "War on Terror"?FSM BlogSchool Bus Safety - FSM on FOXNewsMust ReadsAbout FSMEnfactlopediaGotta Know! 2006 Voters GuideProductsContact Congressional Rep. Published: January 16, 2007 To discourage illegal aliens from being in the United States we should adopt policies and procedures that discourage them from coming while simultaneously making it more difficult for them to stay. Read in this 17th installment of the FSM series on the horrors of illegal immigration what such policies could be...and call your Congressional representatives to let them know your feelings. What To Do About Illegal Aliens – Part II By The Editors To discourage illegal aliens from being in the United States we should adopt policies and procedures that discourage them from coming while simultaneously making it more difficult for them to stay. Some of these actions could include: We need to recognize that the battle against potential domestic terrorism and the illegal alien invasion can not be won without having immediate and trusted verification of whether someone is in the US legally. Trusted identification is also required to by employers. The most common method of identification, the driver's license, is too unreliable to be used nationally as many states do not require proof of citizenship. To see how secure your state's license is see Coalition for a Secure Driver's License. As previously noted in the Traffic Accidents section, illegal aliens flock to states with minimal documentation requirements to get driver's licenses. The US Border Patrol has stated that the Matricula Card is Worthless as an ID. As Lars Larson and others have proved, anybody can get a Maticular Consular ID Card: State Agencies and the Mexican Government want to make available to the illegal alien (Mexican citizen) these Matricula Consular cards which are non-verifiable as to the identity of the individual. Bin Laden could get one and then use it to get a U.S. driver's license and drive the streets of America casing the next hit. Like it or not, times have changed and 9/11 changed everything. In any case, currently our Social Security number is a de-facto national ID number but the card is too easy to counterfeit and the number is too hard to verify. Thus, we need an easily verifiable, non-counterfeitable SSN card, including picture and biometric data, and legislation that makes it mandatory for doing work and receiving benefits in the USA. We also need to be able to provide employers with a quick means for verifying the validity of a SSN card. At this point it is worth noting that the Use of fake documents by illegal workers is on the rise so "the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services office has started a program to help identify illegal workers. Under the Pilot Employment Verification Program, participating employers put a worker's reported name and Social Security number onto an Internet site to make sure the data match and the number is legitimate. It's free and voluntary and has been available to employers in all 50 states since December 2004. Still, only 12,000 of the United States' 12 million employers take part, according to industry officials, and the program has its weaknesses." We also need immediately to shut down the counterfeit document rings in the US such as the one operated by the Castorena-Leija Sanchez Organization which has revenue estimated to be in the $300 million range, annually, which is a LOT of false ID papers. If MasterCard can provide immediate and trusted verification, what is the problem? We need to increase the penalties for hiring illegal aliens and enforce the existing laws. While everyone knows that certain industries routinely hire illegal aliens, incredibly few employers are ever prosecuted. As noted by CNN anchor Lou Dobbs, since 2001, out of five and a half million employers in the U.S., only 318 have been fined for hiring illegal aliens. In 2004, only three employers were fined. Perhaps the success of the Swift Company raid will change this. As noted in Illegal immigrants steal identities to get jobs, "Of 231 million Wage and Tax Statements (W2s) filed by employers during tax year 2004, 8 million did not match. (This figure is not exclusive to identity fraud. It also includes numbers that did not match for different reasons, such as name changes). Californians owned 29 percent of those mismatches, the greatest number of any state. "It is identity fraud," said Beth Givens, director of Privacy Rights Clearinghouse, a San Diego-based nonprofit organization that helps consumers with privacy rights issues." Employers need to be held accountable for verifying Social Security numbers and immigration status before hiring and be put on notice that hiring illegal aliens is simply not acceptable. Even when the largest company in the United States, Wal-Mart, was found to be knowingly hiring illegal alien cleaning crews and paying them a lower wage, they did not get fined. Employers who are egregiously violating the law need to be vigorously prosecuted and fined to put the "fear of God" into other employers who are violating existing laws. We did it with Martha Stewart and Enron executives who violated the law and ripped off shareholders, why not employers who are violating the law, taking advantage of illegal aliens, denying employment at a fair wage to citizens, and passing the bill for subsidized illegal workers to taxpayers? Welfare programs are for citizens and certain designated legal immigrants. If one can not prove that one is legally entitled to welfare, it should not be given. While seemingly harsh, it is also unjust to put the burden on the taxpayers. Let the many illegal immigrant supporters pick up the tab through private and charitable giving until the illegal aliens return home. The liberal and often abused social programs designed to help American citizens, which are now being provided to illegal aliens, are both drawing them here and keeping them here. It is a requirement for citizenship to be able to read, speak and understand English. The only non-English speaking people in the country should be either tourists or legal immigrants. Both of those groups will have proper documentation and when a legal immigrant doesn't have his papers, he is the only "undocumented immigrant" in the US. Everybody else is a tourist, citizen or an illegal alien. To keep the US from being Balkanized by different languages, English should be declared the official language of the United States and all government communications should be exclusively in English. It is especially egregious to be printing voting instructions and ballots in anything but English as only citizens are allowed to vote and reading and understanding English is a requirement for citizenship and thus voting. The 1965 Voting Act should be immediately amended, deleting the foreign language provisions. As noted by Steven Malanga in How Unskilled Immigrants Hurt Our Economy: "If America is ever to make immigration work for our economy again, it must reject policies shaped by advocacy groups trying to turn immigration into the next civil rights cause or by a tiny minority of businesses seeking cheap labor subsidized by the taxpayers. Instead, we must look to other developed nations that have focused on luring workers who have skills that are in demand and who have the best chance of assimilating. Australia, for instance, gives preferences to workers grouped into four skilled categories: managers, professionals, associates of professionals, and skilled laborers. Using a straightforward "points calculator" to determine who gets in, Australia favors immigrants between the ages of 18 and 45 who speak English, have a post–high school degree or training in a trade, and have at least six months' work experience as everything from laboratory technicians to architects and surveyors to information-technology workers. Such an immigration policy goes far beyond America's employment-based immigration categories, like the H1-B visas, which account for about 10 percent of our legal immigration and essentially serve the needs of a few Silicon Valley industries." Since the airwaves are owned by the people and licensed and regulated by the federal government, all broadcasts requiring a FCC license should have a restriction that a minimum of 50% of all programming and broadcasting during the hours of 7AM to 7PM must be in English. The penalties for violation should be proportional to the non-compliance and serious and/or repeated violations should result in loss of license. Schools should be mandated to teach all classes in English. Non-English speakers would have 1 year of comprehensive English immersion classes before being mainstreamed and summer school for ESL students would be mandatory. It is far better to set kids back a year than simply to pass them through not being able to speak properly or to read English and ultimately end up being many years behind. State laws should be changed where any traffic stop that involves a driver who can not speak English, who is not a documented tourist or legal immigrant, will result in the driver being arrested and the car impounded. This can be implemented immediately on Federal Highways. A driver who can not speak English can not read and understand the rules of the road and is therefore a potential deadly menace to other citizens, as documented earlier in this series. On arrest and impounding, the driver's license and the car's registration and insurance should be investigated thoroughly. If the license is counterfeit, the driver will be charged with a felony and jailed. If the car's papers are fraudulent, the car is to be seized. If the car has a free and clear title it should be sold at auction. If the title is held by a loan company, a fine equivalent to 75% collateral, based on blue book fair market value, should be levied, and, when paid, the car should be returned to the lien holder. If the fine is not paid the car should be sold at auction. Similar penalties could be implemented for DUIs committed on Federal highways, regardless of citizenship. There is an epidemic of lawbreakers, legal citizens and illegal aliens, driving without valid licenses, registration, and insurance. Since fraudulent out-of-state documentation is often used, a national database should be established to provide law enforcement with immediate verification of all three. Any driver convicted of driving without insurance will be required to prepay a year's worth of insurance and any subsequent cancellation or non-payment of insurance will result in the car being impounded. Driving a car on public roads is a privilege that comes with responsibilities. The penalty for breaking immigration laws, Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, and being in the US illegally should be made a felony. While it is highly unlikely the US will actually deport hardly any of the existing 10+ million illegal aliens, making illegal presence in the country a felony makes it a whole lot easier to deport certain undesirable illegal aliens as well as newer illegal aliens. It also denies citizenship and all its inherent privileges to lawbreakers who enter the country illegally. The only thing worse than accommodating illegal aliens is giving illegal aliens voting rights which is the main privilege of citizenship. We need to change the 14th Amendment or at least officially define the current interpretation so that children of illegal aliens who are born in the United States are not US citizens and not anchor babies. The social cost of allowing this practice is an enormous burden on taxpayers. In any case, the Federalist Blog notes: Alien Birthright Citizenship: A Fable That Lives Through Ignorance. The US Visa Policy should also be changed to prohibit the entry of obviously pregnant women until the nationality birth provisions of the 14th Amendment are clarified. The current family-preference visa program must be immediately amended. As previously noted, a significant portion of legal immigration and the population explosion is a direct result of family preferences. The current visa allowances should be changed to allow only spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens and should exclude any adult siblings and parents. Family unification is always an option in the original country. As a nation, we also need to tell Mexican President Fox and incoming President elect Felipe Calderon to mind their own business, take care of their own poor, criminals, and gangs and quit assisting them to come here. To see how outrageous the situation currently is see Guide for the Mexican Migrant. It is worthwhile to note that most legal immigrants have restrictions placed on them so that they are not a burden on society and there are responsibilities placed on them before they can become citizens. It is worse than asinine to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens just because they happen to be here, and then pay them to stay here, when there are millions of potential aspirants to citizenship who are following the law on the waiting list. If we require legal immigrants to jump through all the hoops, should anything less be required of illegal aliens to "earn" citizenship? The question Americans need to be asking themselves and our politicians is exactly what kind of immigrants do we want in the United States? Do we want educated, hard working, law-abiding people who aspire to become Americans, or do we want uneducated illegal aliens who, for the most part, are a major economic burden on society, with many having strong anti-American attitudes, and many among them also criminals who are killing, murdering, molesting, and raping the citizens of this country? With all the talk over the lives of American service personnel lost in fighting the war on terror, illegal aliens kill far more Americans every year than the total lost to date in Iraq and Afghanistan. What price are YOU willing to pay in American lives so that illegal immigration can continue? C'mon America...this is YOUR problem and only YOU can clean it up. Your elected officials will not do this unless you tell them to. Go here to register your complaint. Your thoughts matter. Exclusive: FSM Research Archive Illegal Aliens and our National Security Brought to you by the research staff and editors of FamilySecurityMatters.org If you are a reporter or producer who is interested in receiving more information about this article, please email your request to Miramxl@aol.com. © 2003-2007 FamilySecurityMatters.org All Rights Reserved Click here to support Family Security Matters Posts: 401 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 14, 2007 12:44 PM Show Post Beverly Senior Member Posted December 14, 2007 12:55 PM Hide Post Anchor Babies By Allan Wall FrontPageMagazine.com | April 26, 2001 I am an American citizen who lives and works (legally) in Mexico. On July 8th, 1999, my son David was born here in Mexico (and is doing fine, thank you). Although he was born in Mexico, my son is a natural-born American citizen, and has an American birth certificate to prove it. That birth certificate is just as valid as if he had been born in the U.S.A. In order to obtain that birth certificate for David, I had to take the little baby 370 miles to the U.S. consulate in Monterrey, Mexico. I had to turn in a lot of paperwork to process the application. I had to provide documentation to prove that I myself was an American citizen who had lived in the U.S. for at least 5 years. I had to pay for copies of documents and for official photographs. And the burden of proof was on me to prove that I was an American. I share this not to complain. I understand that my situation is special , and that I have to play by the rules. (And the consulate service was excellent.) What bothers me is that while I have to play by the rules, another class of people does not have to play by the rules. These people do not have to prove they are American citizens - in fact, they are not. They do not have to prove they lived in the U.S. for at least 5 years. They do not have to pay for any paperwork to be processed. In short, this class of people is granted a number of privileges that I, an American citizen, am not entitled to. To what privileged class of people do I refer? I refer to the illegal aliens in the U.S.A.. An illegal alien can cross the border, have a baby five minutes later, and that baby is automatically declared a citizen of the U.S.A. Automatically! The illegal aliens don't have to go through any of the things that I did. They are exempt from all that. They are, in fact, rewarded for disobeying U.S. law by having their children granted automatic citizenship. In addition, the happy family is entitled to welfare benefits. And, illegal alien parents who have children born in the U.S. are seldom deported . That's why their children are called "anchor babies" - they anchor their families securely in the U.S.A. You might ask me, "Well, why didn't you arrange to have your baby be born in the U.S.A.?" I certainly would have preferred that , but it's not so easy. You see, in my present situation, living and working in Mexico, I couldn't afford it, and I don't have U.S. medical insurance. The illegal aliens, like myself, can't afford it either and don't have medical insurance either. But not to worry - my government pays for them, and their children are automatically declared citizens. A lowly American citizen such as myself, however, is not entitled to the taxpayer-supported privileges of the illegal aliens. How big is the anchor baby phenomenon? It has been estimated that about 165,000 anchor babies are born (and automatically granted citizenship) each year. It might actually be higher. The exact figure is uncertain because all hospitals and physicians receiving federal funds are forbidden from inquiring as their patients' legal status. In other words, the U.S. taxpayer is financing medical care for illegal aliens, and those providing such care can't even ask if patients are legal or not! The state of California has a particularly liberal program to reward illegal aliens which includes free pre-natal care and delivery, and it's no surprise that 60% of babies born in LA community hospitals are born to illegals. In 1994, a majority of California who went to the polls voted to end such nonsense. But the will of the people was placed under a judge's restraining order until a later state government, at the behest of the president of Mexico struck it down. So the gravy train rolls on! Of course the birth of an anchor baby is only the beginning. As the child grows he or she is entitled to a multitude of other taxpayer-funded programs. Since most anchor babies are classified as "minorities", they can expect to enjoy legal preference over "non-Hispanic white males" under today's "civil rights" regime. Upon reaching adulthood, the citizen anchor baby is eligible to import relatives from the home country through America's nepotistic chain migration system , in which the principal qualification for a prespective legal immigrant is having relatives already in the U.S. When you look at the vast cornucopia of benefits, you have to conclude that the U.S.A. offers powerful incentives for illegal immigration. For those who disobey U.S. law and their children, America is certainly the land of opportunity! Why does the U.S. have such an insane policy? Most countries of the world do not! The United Kingdom and Australia formerly had similar policies, but changed them when they were subject to the same abuses which the U.S.A. still endures. Present U.S. anchor baby "policy" is an abuse of the 14th Amendment. This amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the civil rights of native-born black Americans, who had recently been freed from slavery and whose rights were being denied. The amendment states that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...." The clear, original intent of the 14th Amendment was spelled out in 1866 by Senator Jacob Howard, co-author of its citizenship clause, who wrote "Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." Clearly the original intent of the 14th Amendment was not to encourage foreigners to defy U.S. law at taxpayer expense. Sadly the amendment is now being employed to do just that. And, as an American living in Mexico, I can assure the reader that the U.S. policy of automatic birth citizenship is well-known here, and is taken advantage of by many Mexicans. You can also rest assured that it provides another incentive to illegal immigration. After all, if you can just get across the border, the baby - and for all practical purposes the parents - are legal. Such an incentive can even prove deadly - cadavers of pregnant women are among those who die crossing the U.S. - Mexico border. The anchor baby fiasco must be stopped. It rewards illegal immigrants and encourages more illegal immigration. It costs law-abiding taxpayers a bundle. It makes it harder to control the border, reform immigration and rein in the runaway welfare state. And, as I found in my personal experience, it cheapens American citizenship and mocks those who play by the rules. Allan E. Wall is an American citizen who has lived and worked in Mexico since 1991. Presently employed as an English instructor and administrator, Allan has legal permission from the Mexican government to live and work in Mexico under the rubric of an FM-2 migration document (No. 312448) for which he had to pay $1,816.00 pesos for renewal this past year. Allan would be glad to receive questions or comments (pro or con), at allan39@prodigy.net.mx. Posts: 401 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 14, 2007 12:55 PM Show Post Beverly Senior Member Posted December 14, 2007 01:03 PM Hide Post Why would anybody in their right mind get knocked up a 3rd time knowing they are about to be deported? BREEDMARE ALERT: For illegal immigrants: Don't ask, don't tell If you're in this country illegally, and you want to do the right thing by applying for legal status, here's some advice from an immigration lawyer: Don't; don't ask the government for legal status; don't tell them you're here. That's from Jose Hernandez, an immigration lawyer, who says he often tells illegal immigrants, "There is nothing I can do for you. Do not even look for answers. There's nothing that can be done for you." The story we've been reporting for "360˚" is a sad one. It started 17 years ago, when a 14-year-old Mexican girl named Maria Christina Garcia ran away from home. She tells me she was running from an abusive father. Garcia crossed the border into California in the back seat of a friend's car at San Ysidro. She found work at a Taco Bell, and later a Target, and then at a large hospital. She gave birth to two sons -- both American citizens, now enrolled in good public schools in Orange County -- and kept a tidy apartment in a nice neighborhood. But she made one very big mistake: She believed a storefront immigration consultant could help her get legal status. She paid this consultant $8,000. Prosecutors now say the whole thing was a fraud, a nasty fraud, because in addition to taking her money, the immigration consultants told the U.S. government all about Maria Christina. She's about to be deported. The government told her she has just over a month left in this country. She was the victim of an immigration fraud scam so common that her current lawyer rolls his eyes when he describes it. "What they tell them is: 'In 90 days, I can get you a work authorization, and within about a year, year-and-a-half, you will be able to get your green card.'" As Hernandez tells it, the immigration consultant first applies for asylum in Maria's name. That application is quickly denied, because illegal immigrants from Mexico are generally not eligible for asylum. The case is then turned over to an immigration court, which begins deportation proceedings. Because that sometimes takes a long time, and because the U.S. government believes in due process, an immigrant in deportation proceedings can be eligible for a temporary work permit. This is what Maria got, and immigrants fight for these permits because they can use them, legally, to get a drivers license and a valid Social Security card. At that point, says Hernandez, "Most of these immigrants think, 'We're on the right path. We're actually getting what we were promised.' Little do they know that in about a year and a half, they're actually going to be removed." Maria's time is almost up. She's due to be deported in June, and it is very hard to get the government to change its mind about a deportation. She's an emotional wreck. She has two American-born sons who are citizens. She is expecting a third child in July. She has health insurance and a doctor in California, and has neither in Mexico, where she will likely give birth. She's thinking of leaving her children in California - their father lives here. They are well aware of what's going on -- her older son, 11-year-old Ivan, often refuses to go to school. He thinks the police might be coming for his mother, and he wants to be home to protect her. "It may not be fair, but unfortunately, that's the law," said Jorge Guzman, who fights immigration fraud at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. What happened to the people who allegedly defrauded Maria? Not much. The operators of La Guadalupana Immigration Services in Santa Ana, California, were charged with numerous counts of business fraud in state court in California, but the operators have disappeared. Authorities believe they left the country after ripping off 2,000 or more illegal immigrants. Posted By Peter Viles, CNN Correspondent: 11:16 AM ET 78 Comments | Add a Comment Posts: 401 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 14, 2007 01:03 PM Show Post davdah Power Member Posted December 14, 2007 07:38 PM Hide Post Why didn't this Maria go to an attorney to begin with? She probably did and was told a year and half ago that she can't stay. So why another baby? Ok Governor Arnold, how much more do you want from me for these 3? Lets make a deal. Just send the bill for the anchor babies to la raza and all their supporters. __________________________________________________________________ I may not like what you say but I've defended your right to say it. Posts: 1339 | Location: San diego, CA & San Antonio TX | Registered: June 08, 2007 Ignored post by davdah posted December 14, 2007 07:38 PM Show Post Beverly Senior Member Posted December 14, 2007 07:45 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by davdah: Why didn't this Maria go to an attorney to begin with? She probably did and was told a year and half ago that she can't stay. So why another baby? Ok Governor Arnold, how much more do you want from me for these 3? Lets make a deal. Just send the bill for the anchor babies to la raza and all their supporters. The original scheme of breeding till they drop was devised to guilt us into sympathy while using their unwanted tools to shield them from deportation. Now they realize frantic non-stop breeding, just like the race card no longer serves their original purpose. I think we should cut off all financial aid to Messyhole and any other cesspool who refuses to take their illegal alien breedmares and maggots back. As for LaRaza, let's hope the next POTUS and congress will ban any future blackmail payments to the RACE. Posts: 401 | Registered: November 30, 2007 Ignored post by Beverly posted December 14, 2007 07:45 PM Show Post Beverly Senior Member Posted December 15, 2007 01:08 PM Hide Post More than 100 law enforcement officers fanned out across Oklahoma City and Altus Thursday, arresting 25 Hispanic gang members and their affiliates on a variety of drug trafficking charges. In addition to drug trafficking, gang members may have been involved in passing counterfeit money a couple years ago at "nightclubs in Bricktown," documents reveal. Thursday's law enforcement sweep originally was scheduled for Tuesday, but was delayed for two days because of problems created by the ice storm, John C. Richter, U.S. Attorney in Oklahoma City, said at a news conference Friday. Several federal, state and local law enforcement agencies participated in the sweep, which began at 6:30 a.m. Thursday. "We will continue to coordinate our efforts and to use all available law enforcement tools to incapacitate and dismantle violent gangs and drug trafficking organizations," Richter said. Authorities Friday said they still were attempting to serve arrest warrants against two other individuals "” Adrian Ismael Soltero, 32, and Julie Trejo, 18, both of southwest Oklahoma City. Anyone with knowledge of their whereabouts should contact the FBI at 290-7770, said Gary Johnson, FBI spokesman. Callers can remain anonymous, he said. What is the target? The two-year investigation targeted members of the Southside Locos, East Side Vario Segundo, Grand Barrio Centrale and 98 Main Street Mafia Crip gangs who were allegedly involved in the distribution of large amounts of cocaine, methamphetamine and marijuana in Oklahoma City and southwestern Oklahoma. Nineteen of the individuals are charged with federal drug trafficking crimes that would carry penalties upon conviction of either 5 to 40 years or 10 to life in prison. The others are charged with state drug crimes. Thursday's arrests are part of a continuing federal, state and local crackdown on gang activity in Oklahoma that began two years ago and so far has resulted in about 30
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A Christmas caught between culturasBy Nadine Gilmer Sun contributor I felt a *****ling of guilt as I sawed into the trunk of the knee-high tree and attached it to my dog's harness. She barely noticed it on the walk home except when she looked back and saw its drag marks in the snow and scattered pine needles. "What a pitiful tree," I told the dog. She just wagged her big black tail, knocking off more needles. My parents refused to get me a bigger Christmas tree since they had decided we would go to Mexico this year. But I wasn't yet ready to exchange my Christmas for a Navidad. I had bragged to my friends that I would get to celebrate American Christmas early, but before we left on the trip my parents and I simply opened our presents while standing in the kitchen. It was no more exciting than opening the daily mail. The only present I received was a cheep MP3 player that I had picked out with my Dad, since the trip to Mexico was considered my "big present." Nevertheless, I made a sincere attempt to be optimistic about my predicament. I imagined a piñata strung up in my Grandma's downstairs patio. I remembered the cool feeling of the tile on bare feet and how nice the air would feel where it was warm. But then I realized there would be no pictures of Santa, no tree, no cookies, no cozy Christmas morning watching the snowfall outside. Instead, we would be subjected to an hour-long mass of Jesus' name echoing off every surface of the cathedral. It seemed that if the Christmas ritual wasn't celebrated in the exact form that I had come to know ever year, it wasn't Christmas. I concluded that my thirteenth Christmas would be substituted for a cheaper Mexican alternative. As we walked through O'Hare Airport, my love of travel collided with my disappointment. "I don't want to go to Mexico," I told myself. "I do not want to go to Mexico for Christmas. Any other time would be fine. Not Christmas." My parents looked at me with stern expressions. I looked up at the familiar hallway of flags above me and realized I happened to be under the Mexican flag "” its green and red banners buttressing an eagle with a serpent clutched in its mouth. I imagined a Santa hat in the eagle's beak rather than the snake. Being inclined to motion sickness, I also dreaded the drive to come through the mountains of rural Mexico, even though I enjoyed gazing at the scenery and what looked like pages and pages of National Geographic photos flowing by like highlight clips of my childhood. I loved the enormous green mountains and volcanoes, ramshackle farms, horses tied to fences next to the road, and endless rows of Agave plants in the winter. But my favorite part was always the small towns, so cultural and contradictory: a corvette parked next to an ancient statue; driving through streets made for horses, ancient dark women with braided hair sitting cross-legged and begging for money as a child walks by talking on a cell phone. Upon our arrival, a puddle of light spilled over the uneven sidewalk and cracked street. Its source was the open door of my great aunt's candy store and the doors to my Grandma's house. As usual, my abuelita was squinting into the street for us, accompanied by several other family members yakking away. Her entire face lit up and she came quickly to us, her arms held high above her. My Abuela hugged me tightly, with the strength of a person ten times her size. "I missed you," she whispered in my ear and clasped my elbows so that she could look up at me. Her eyes lit up with tears and enthusiasm, and she squeezed my hands, "Niña preciosa," she whistled through her teeth with the utmost conviction and reluctantly let me slide out of her grip so that she could greet my mother. I wondered to myself how such a tiny person could engulf people so well. My first view inside my Grandma's house was the traditional nativity scene: a paper mache cave (every Mexican child knows that Jesus was born in a cave not a barn) with a little porcelain Jesus sitting in the hay and the wise men gathered around him and Mary. Next to this stood a fake, midget Christmas tree. Old memories of past Christmases filled me and I stopped to breathe in the warm, inviting air, which still smelled slightly of dinner. The Mexican air implored me to dance, to laugh and to speak loudly in Spanish. Life flowed constantly in Mexico, not halting for a word too loud or an emotion over felt, but to my tired body, stiffly resisting culture, it seemed like breaking china, or more aptly put, a Mariachi band horribly out of tune. After everyone had gone I sat on the last rung of the iron staircase and watched my abuelita make me hot chocolate; the real kind made with cacao that comes in big, sugary chunks. I watched her use the wooden instrument to stir it on the stove. The process both fascinated and appalled me to see the primitive means of making a simple cup of chocolate. Once she finished she handed me the foaming mug and smiled at me, once again teary-eyed. Our eyes met, and the emotion in hers seemed too honest for me. I broke the moment with a word, "Gracias." She hugged me and I realized that I had grown quite a bit taller than her. "Dios Mio you're so big!" she said and I gritted my teeth. On our walks through the streets, the Christmas decorations left me culture-shocked and confused. Jesus was everywhere and there were no signs of Santa. Red, white and green flags appeared, hung from first floor balconies that formed a thick canopy of Mexican flags that nearly blocked out the sun. Stores and homes opened up life-size nativity scenes, and my little Mexican town slowly became Bethlehem. And since when was Christmas so HOT! The insides of Mexican houses are also a style of their own. Besides being generally more open and airy than American abodes, their floors are covered by flat tiles that sound like a tomb or a chapel when walked on with flip-flops. The furniture is typically fancier but spaced ****her apart in a way that seems to generate coolness. Every room has a crucifix, and the frames of the paintings on the walls are painted gold. The entire setup is made for optimum coolness and simplicity. My abuelita's room, where my father and I chose to rest, is very fresh and open and includes a balcony on which she keeps a healthy garden that overlooks the street. The whitish-purple tile is always cool on bare feet, and her bed is like a large and lonely ship, floating in memories and moored to this world by a modern television. On windy nights the white ˜70s fabric curtains twist and dance, stretching so far they almost touch the bed. And the stoic crucifix watches all activity. My Grandma's room always disconcerted me because it seemed like death was near. Perhaps it was because my Grandma had been the only one to inhabit it for some time. This was her lonely room, the place she went when she was alone. For someone in my family, being alone is a serious illness. Imagining her lying alone in her bed, flipping through channels made me want to cry. I spent Christmas Eve in that room, curled up in an old wicker rocking chair in the moonlight. It seemed eternal. I could not sleep, my head throbbed and my nose ran constantly from an awful cold I had picked up. Suddenly, interrupting my misery and snot, a shy voice of a younger cousin announced that my mother was calling my name. I realized that the shouts coming from downstairs had turned to one solitary voice, "Mija! Vente!" I followed my cousin down the stairs and joined my family at the door to the street. They all huddled together, silently for once, and looked outside. My mom took me by the shoulders and pushed me to the front of the crowd. A procession of white garbed people was marching through the street with candles and singing Mexican Christmas carols with joyful solemnity. Ahead of them was a girl dressed as the Virgin Mary, riding a donkey and holding a baby doll, and man dressed as Joseph beside her. A small breeze blew through the lime trees and into my face, clearing my sinuses for a moment, and I enjoyed the sweetness on the faces of the singers who stopped at our house to engage us. Not to mention the smiles on the faces of every one of my relatives. I forgot what made Santa better than baby Jesus as I listened to little white-robed angels sing, "Gaspar, Melchor y Baltazar son los reyes magos..."
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