Sam,

I am a little confused. Are people on this site actually thinking that the poster What Matters Most on the ALI-PAC site is not Beverly? Some seem to think it could be planted. How is that possible when What Matters Most joined that site on January 18, 2007 and is a Hero Elite and has 1912 posts. And the person from Illinois and that is where Beverly says she/he is from. For someone to be a member that long, the name and email address couldn't have been planted, could it?

Hi djim,

Of course it was not planted. Anyone who has a brain can read from her very first posts that she has history with some of them.
She mentions Matt.org and a Dee. Well you can find her posts she refers to at Matt.org and read more of her carp there too.
I can't see how anyone could impersonate her, someone from Alicrap would notice.
Also if you notice that the articles she posts here are found there too. Someone posts articles for the day for Alicrappers to post elsewhere for them, which she does. She/he doesn't do research herself, its there for Alicrappers to copy. Like WG said himself, they show them how to post articles in other forums so it can be tracked back to their archives, which gives them more traffic.
No one can do all this to impersonate someone, that is for sure.

And I guess Preaching2the choir isn't her either?

I see she/he has taken her quote off Alipac now. Maybe she/he is now editing her/his posts in case anyone sees the contradiction of what she has argued here with.

By the way, there is also Alipac.net.
They are not associated with ALipac.Us in anyway.

They do not have the hate like the .US has. In fact they are quite interesting.

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Originally posted by explora:
Comment to 4now:

Are you going to come running in defense of your compadre that you've been defending from day one and even mentioning once that the threads would be taken care of.....hello.....hello......helllo.....are you there 4now?

......I'd like to hear your take on this, 4now. Your compadre seems to be in a little bit of a bind right now.

Your buddy is a worthless piece of proverbial 4nothing.

4Now reporting 4duty Mate.. aye aye Capitan


What is the big urgency of me commenting on this What is it that you want to hear from me explora? That I was disgusted to read that vile and vulgar language used in the post you wrote. absent of profanity while being very profane. It is still hard 4me to believe that you can speak like that

It appears that Beverly may post on another forum. Is there something wrong with that? You are asking Sam to ban Beverly becuase this is what you want and others here? That is a reason? What has she done to be banned?

There are those and yourself that say she is preaching hate or racism. Always you need to be reminded that ILLEGAL is not a race.

She is posting articles that inform. she didnt write them. She is just a messenger. You wanted her to stop duplicate posting of articles, so then she just posted applicable material in the IME thread. Isnt that what you wanted? 4 her to stop duplicating? No it wasnt, it was a smokescreen , so then you cried because there was not anything more to complain about and it was all about her posting in the IME thread that your mind thinks is your own personal blog. REALITY 101... It is not

The IME thread is now a balanced thread with at least 2 point of views. And you both play off each other very well with the counter postings.

Then Wknapp starting dropping nonsense into her threads. Then she gave it right back to you by putting Wknapp threads in your threads simply becuaes it appears that the two of you are working together. Kindergarten 101.

So instead of asking WKnapp to stop dropping the articles, becuase Beverly thinks that it is you explora doing it... You start a thread trying to make Beverly out to be crazy. Thin, very Thin indeed.

We all post applicable articles in the various threads. I think it works very well. I have commended before... all. EXplora, Proudusc, Beverly, Mike2007 and Sprintgirl and even Hudson from time to time. the same goes out to the political threads that have been informative becuase of the 3 sided perspectives.

If explora doesnt want to post anymore in the thread.. No doubt those threads will go on. If some of the members want to boycott to try to pressure Sam, We will miss you, but the show will go on with or without you. And if for some reason Beverly leaves, just remember that there will always be another bus coming.


So now we have some very good detective work that finds that Beverly may also belong to another forum. Good job too. but I am not surprised because most of us belong to more than one forum.

Again I say So what. Is that post is supposed to be shocking? Did that post say. "I need your help in helping me to destroy ILW.com?
No it did not. If that was the case, I would be very livid, no matter who it was trying to destroy this site.

It is good that you all are in agreement and have joined together.. but 4what?

Ask yourselves why you want Beverly banned? Because you dont like the anti illegal information being posted? Thats very ridiculous! It is a free speech and it is not a lie anything that she has been posting. Let me remind you again, that Beverly is not the author of these articles. It is not anti immigrant, it is ANTI ILLEGAL.

Illegal does not = Immigrant

I have gone over and looked at the alipac.net site and the alipac.us site. The rules of the board seem to be the same. I did not look at a lot of posts there, but it did not appear to be a racist board or hate mongers against race. the rules specifically addressed this issue.

This is about "I hate Beverly and what she is posting here" the talk about OMG immigrants are going to read these things and be scared..

Not one word here about those few that deliberately taunt new members if their situation involved visa cheating or lies, or actually taunt illegals that come to ask questions or explain situations.

Did you ever see Beverly do that.. I didnt..

Are you complaining about the ones that consistantly scare off new members? look very deeply in those mirrors people, and ask yourself if you really feel justified in asking for Beverly to be banned simply because you dont like her because she supports LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

That just doesnt sound like a reason to me. the ignore button is just one click away

For as long as I have been posting, unlike Explora and her gang,even in self defense, I have never made a racial slur, nor do I go into any of the threads to harrass illegal aliens who have questions regarding their situations, even if it involves fraud and deception. YES, I AM TOTALLY AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, but even that does not make me a criminal.

The only mission I have here is a SELF APPOINTED and that is to expose the truth of the destruction that results from illegal immigration in America. Why? because as I have stated more than once I LOVE MY COUNTRY and it is deeply distressing to see the under reported destruction of it. As stated by 4NOW posting on other websites IS NOT A CRIME and none of the websites I post on are hateful nor racially motivated. They are however informative and productive in helping to deter the fleecing of America.

I have NEVER posted anything negative about LEGAL IMMIGRANTS why would I? They too share my love for the rule of law and respect of America.

Contrary to the cries of those claiming I am anti immigration or prejudiced against Mexicans, my anti-illegal alien threads occasionally reflect crimes commited by illegals aliens of other ethnicities. Why ocassionally? because those ethnicities commit fewer crimes, against Americans and America therefore there is less to report. While they may be here illegally, their governments are not interfering in America's business or encouraging its citizens to ignore our laws, they are not setting up foreign consulates in order to abet their citizens in ignoring our laws, they are not marching and waiving foreign flags, nor are they demanding that America changes its cultural identity to reflect theirs. My threads merely serve to highlight these issues.

Anyone who reads the words of my attackers on this board would think that it's my fault that 70% of the illegal aliens in this country happen to be of Mexican descent and therefore it is also my fault that they commit the most crime that generates the stories I post. Therefore I must be racist, you need look in the mirror and learn to deal with reality.

I defy any one of my accusers/attackers to find the post where I have hurled a racial slur or personally attacked anyone on this board FIRST NOT ONE SINGLE LINK THAT YOU HAVE POSTED ON ANYWHERE THAT I HAVE POSTED, HAS A WORD OF HATRED OR RACIAL SLURS POSTED. If there is and you can find it, I will voluntarily leave ILW. But of course we ALL know YOU CAN'T because I HAVE NEVER BEEN THE AGRESSOR HERE OR ANYWHERE ELSE, JUST A PARTICIPANT DISCUSSING THE ISSUES. Those who point fingers should look into the mirror and ask themselves what they have accomplished here by exposing where I live and if I have children and where I post during my free time. IMHO that's way past borderline obsession especially since I have stated before I don't give a rats behind about what any of you think about me. I saw through you on day one. All the racial slurs, the monkey and l-esbian pictures and the perpetual stalking and agitating clued me in.

History repeating itself:

http://discuss.ilw.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/902603441/m/76610841441


The fact that you stooped so far below the belt to do it is what's really pathetic.

ONCE AGAIN THE VOICE OF SANITY AND REASON RISE ABOVE THE FREY, Thank you 4NOW You have voiced every single one of my thoughts and I have absolutely nothing to add with regards to this absurb gang banging because you've said it all 4ME.



Take care

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Michaelthegreat, Mike_2007 and Davdah thanks to all of you as well for exposing things for what they really are on this board.

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quote:

Originally posted by ProudUSC:
Davdah, nothing has been planted. We've done our homework and what's been said in this thread is true about Beverly. Take it or leave it, but don't question the authenticity.

Thats a huge mistake. Everything should always be questioned. Never assume anything, ever. Unless of course you have access to the servers in question and know how to track Ip addresses and can confirm each person's IP used at any given time. Did you know they can change? Yes, its called dynamic Ip addressing. Meaning your address changes from time to time. Most Internet providers use that. Check your own. Ask them if you have static or dynamic. Chances are its dynamic. I doubt anyone here has that sort of access and even if they did it would still leave holes in the argument.

I see your point, Davdah. However, s/he has nearly 2000 posts on that forum and writes in exactly the same manner. I don't think it's a coincidence. (Plus, she admitted it).

Here is a reprint of her post inviting other Alicrappers to come to this forum to wreak havoc.

WhatMattersMost
ALIPAC Hero Elite

Joined: Jan 18, 2007
Posts: 1913
Location: Illegal Sanctuary, Illinois
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:57 pm Post subject: Hey ALIPACERS

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Anybody up for a little mischief? If so, come over and help me out at:

http://discuss.ilw.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/902603441

Its an ILLEGAL ALIEN site for perpetual criminal law breakers here illegally skirting every loop hole in the immigration system to avoid deporation. They are a nasty bunch of psycho IA's who personally attack me everytime I post articles to dispute their IA delusions of grandier.

I have been called every racist name under the sun and the mods are worthless. The Key attackers are:

EXPLORA, PROUD USC, Babybeh, Hudson.

If you have a minute sign up and help me drive them nuttier than they already are!

My screen name over there is Beverly.
THANKS ALL!
_________________
It's Time to Rescind the 14th Amendment

Ok, lets say for sake of argument it is her. She invited people into the debate. Was anything she said not true? Wasn't she called various racist names? Is she supposed to knuckly under and slink away into a corner?

And now its turned into a witch hunt. Everyone needs to extinguish their torches and get a reality check.

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She invited people into the debate.

That's putting it nicely, Davdah. She wants her Alicrapper pals to come here and spread more venom.

As for name-calling, that has occured on both sides. She called me names without any provocation. I think she conveniently deleted that post (but, Sam already has a copy). She lies and turns things around to make it look like she is the victim. She started the controversy, Davdah. Perhaps you are wearing blinders? Or, is it because you sympathize with her cause?

I hear they're recruiting members at Alipac. You should join up and make sure you have your wallet open.

quote:

Originally posted by davdah:
Ok, lets say for sake of argument it is her. She invited people into the debate. Was anything she said not true? Wasn't she called various racist names? Is she supposed to knuckly under and slink away into a corner?

And now its turned into a witch hunt. Everyone needs to extinguish their torches and get a reality check.

Amen, and Thank you Davdah

I have no doubt that in less than 24 hours I could uncover enough information about each of them that would make the baby Jesus weep. I guarantee what I uncover would be enough to merit incarceration for most if not all of them.

The fact that these are "alleged adults" (obviously in age only) hovering in groups like high school girls and going way above and beyond anything resembling sanity to accomplish something as juvenile as getting a poster kicked off of a message board by spying and stalking is the best self incrimination of insanity I've ever witnessed.

I agree they all needs lives of their own so that they can stop trying to dig up and live mine and others on this board. As far as a reality check . . .unfortunately reality is not a part of their vocabulary which is why they live on this board trying to dig up the details of everybody elses.

Kudos!

quote:

Originally posted by ProudUSC:
I see your point, Davdah. However, s/he has nearly 2000 posts on that forum and writes in exactly the same manner. I don't think it's a coincidence. (Plus, she admitted it).

Here is a reprint of her post inviting other Alicrappers to come to this forum to wreak havoc.


http://www.alipac.net/diary/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,62/topic,421.0/


Interesting choice of words: "Alicrappers."

Illegal aliens of non-hispanic ethnicies seem to agree with me:

http://dreamact.info/forum/showthread.php?t=7358

Unlike you, Beverly, I don't belong to any other forums. So dig away. I have nothing to hide.

Seems like you are the one needing a life. You have too much time on your hands considering how many thousands of forum posts you made during the past year alone. Good luck with that!

quote:

Originally posted by ProudUSC:
Unlike you, Beverly, I don't belong to any other forums. So dig away. I have nothing to hide.

Seems like you are the one needing a life. You have too much time on your hands considering how many thousands of forum posts you made during the past year alone. Good luck with that!

Unlike your obsession with me and what I do IN MY PERSONAL LIFE, I give less than a rats behind what ANY OF you do. I can't imagine wasting one second of my time on any of you desperate critters.

I'm at work right now and getting paid as we speak. Too bad you can't say the same.

Oh well I'm sure you enjoy memorizing those Matlock reruns.

quote:

Originally posted by Beverly:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ProudUSC:
Unlike you, Beverly, I don't belong to any other forums. So dig away. I have nothing to hide.

Seems like you are the one needing a life. You have too much time on your hands considering how many thousands of forum posts you made during the past year alone. Good luck with that!

Unlike your obsession with me and what I do IN MY PERSONAL LIFE, I give less than a rats behind what ANY OF you do. I can't imagine wasting one second of my time stalking, baiting and harrassing any of you desperate critters. Besides your sad bunch is the ones illegally tracking people's IP addresses, did you know that's a crime?

I'm at work right now and getting paid as we speak. Too bad you can't say the same.

quote:

As for name-calling, that has occured on both sides. She called me names without any provocation. I think she conveniently deleted that post (but, Sam already has a copy).

Can't wait to see that evidence. . . that doesn't exist.

Which is why you had to back pedal and make an excuse in advance for something that we both know never existed. That's the kind of juvenile mess that you and your tag engage in.

I don't delete posts because I don't stalk and harrass anyone, nor do I talk to any of you unless YOU address me first. So save it for someone who doesn't know any better. I'm sure Davdah and SAM already do.

Don't you wish you could say the same?

quote:

Can't wait to see that evidence. . . that doesn't exist.

The second day you were on this forum, you called me a troll and a beoytch!!!!! You started the name calling as well as dropping unrelated articles in everyone's threads. You were and are intent on disrupting this forum. Don't lie.

As far a juvenile behavior, you are the pot calling the kettle black. Or, do you think that post of yours inviting others from Alipac to come over and gang up was typical of adult behavior? Come on - you are tripping all over yourself.

It's not so much what you post, Beverly, it is your malicious intent. I wouldn't expect anything better of you. After all, you belong to the Alipac cult. They are nothing but a mindless bunch of right-winged, white supremist, militants.

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I'm at work right now and getting paid as we speak. Too bad you can't say the same.

Yes, and we can all see how productive you are. Getting paid for what? Trolling web forums? What a joke.

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The only time she can legally get away with robbery from her employer.