Originally posted by Beverly: ... All together now: WOLVES TRAVEL IN PACKS.
Hi, Mr. Beverly: Did you mean WOLVES TRAVEL IN ali-PACKS?
At the end of the day, your petty, small minded accomplishment that you consider a victory is the equivalent of ONE MOLECULE.
One-molecule effort is no mean feat if it ended in getting you banned? Right! Priceless.
There are MILLIONS OF AMERICANS AND MEDIA OUTLETS IN AMERICA POSTING THE SAME ARTICLES DAY IN AND DAY OUT, 24-7 and they are ALL OVER THE INTERNET.
Exactly right. But you know what? It's by 'who' and 'how' they're being posted that matters! Wait a minute... ilw.com isn't banning the posted articles, is it? Nah, it's the poster.
Guess what that means? My leaving this message board does not equal your ability to silence the truth and it doesn't legalize nor empower you. You are still the same tired bunch of whining, illegal alien, bottom of the aquarium scum ****ers.
Last bitter words of a dying man. But in fairness, instead of being barred as hearsay, they're admissible evidence in some cases if uttered by a dying person. Haha!
Nobody cares that you can't handle the truth, and as long as you are here illegally you will never be able to avoid the truth about yourselves nor will you be free in America. You will hear and read about yourselves from millions of American voices unless the only place you visit on the web is this SINGLE MESSAGE BOARD
No need, thanks. I'm hearing enough of your blown-up truth face to face in the world outside, not solely from cyberspace. Hence, a single message board is enough for me. Because, unlike you, I don't have to wage a campaign in order to impose upon others the "truth" in my "own" view. Oh, just to remind you, sensible people don't need someone like you and your campaign network to dish out your truth version, we "normally" search for, seek out, analyze, and act accordingly upon them.
The reality of your crimes will remain a constant reminder. Every time you spot LaMigra you will have to tuck tail and run; You will still have to come to this board sin a panic seeking advice on the next felony you should commit next to temporarily avoid deportation;
Not even a single citation ever. Just very, very sour statements of somebody who's bitterly vanquished.
What American you can victimize to receive citizenship through marriage;
Born here, sorry.
How many children will it take for you to plead your case as the next Elvira Arellano;
Clinging even onto a knife's blade just for desperate redemption of a lost cause on ilw.com.
How long before a law is passed before your welfare check is cut off;
Still right in the noon-time of prolific working age to go into that, sorry.
How long before one by one, town by town the local officials begin to enforce the laws that will return America back into a law abiding nation minus your illegal presence and crime wave against it?
Before your access is finally cut-off, can we discuss each of the state laws that you're referring to here? Their implications and the controversies surrounding them, and their long-term effects? You used the phrase "law abiding," can we discuss the relevant laws that you want to be abided by too? When you're ready, I'm just a click away.
Don't count on amnesty coming anytime to soon no matter who gets elected President. You all need to start planning your next move because America's citizens will not be silenced.
I'm one of them, so I'll speak out the 'genuine' truth independently with confidence anytime, anywhere - without being a member of any group, network, crusade, or campaign.
The difference between me and those of you who spend time PMing each other with the mentality of 3rd grade educated illegal aliens trying to stay one step ahead of reality?
You're a very beautiful imbecile, I'm telling you. I'm participating in more than a dozen PM threads here with varying number of participants - from one to nine. But I'm declaring with highest possible degree of honor that not one of these threads has any malicious intentions against anyone or anything. They're pure discussions that for varied reasons are better kept private. I'm pretty sure that the moderators of this board can also access them. I'm posing a challenge for them to dispute my claim if ever I'm lying.
I'm free to go anywhere in America I wish; I travel without fear, without worry, without shame, without lies, without stealing anyone's identity, nor evasion of reality.
Me too, and in many countries the world over as well. And because I look very much like both from here and there, and ravishingly cute, oh, I can feel the world oozing with love in front of me, around me, and what I leave behind.
What about the people WITH SKILLS, INTEGRITY AND PATIENCE waiting in line to come here LEGALLY?
Have I seen this concern before? I don't think so. It's too late and feigned to look genuine. Let me put it this way: it's too clever in its idiocy.
How do you justify your worthless illegal presence while they are obeying the law and waiting to come in legally? We both know why you sneak across the borders, overstay your visas and hide out like the criminals that you are.
Why question the effect rather than the cause? Because you can't!
You're so blinded by your misplaced wrath and fury to think even with a little semblance of logic.
No wonder, your disgusting presence is being spurned even by an anonymous forum like ilw.com.
You don't qualify for anything other than agri-Visas. Do you honestly think America wants miserable, co-dependent, criminal minded, whiney, sorry excuses for human beings like you as citizens?
George Washington may now be turning in his grave (may he rest in peace) as this immaculate land is being tainted by the mere presence of an abominable critter like you!
Explora . . you are a classic case of all that is wrong with illegal aliens from Mexico. Your days in America are numbered and the numbers are few.
Explora, be scared. There's a threat from somebody who can't even settle the real score within "itself" whether to act as a man or a woman.
___________________________________________________________________ "The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life."
If Beverly had used common sense in the beginning when Sam began considering this situation she might've been able to stay on this board with a little disciplinary action given to her. No, she couldn't use common sense and back off. She continued to still do the same thing we proved her guilty of.
There is no forgiveness policy for this person now. It's way too late.
Originally posted by davdah: In response to Sam's request.
>I’m not Sam but please allow me to react.
Going back to the original charge against Beverly. Did Beverly invite people from another forum to cause problems? If in fact it was Beverly, still never proven, it had no affect. An invasion from an anti-immigrant coalition never transpired. Therefor no crime or violation occurred.
>But I think Sam didn’t base his unfavorable decision toward Beverly on the ‘invite to invade’ aspect. This was his very open-minded statement in reference to it: “The only way I can interpret Beverly's posting at alipac is to invite members of another community to come here to disrupt this one. People with any view on immigration are welcome on this board to put forth their thoughts and opinions, and agree or disagree with others as they like. No one is welcome here whose purpose is to disrupt this community.†So whether it really took place or not, or either it’s proven or not is not worthy of any further discussion. But when Sam said this: “I originally steadfastedly ignored the repeated complaints from Beverly's opponents on this board that she was being disruptive by posting articles supporting Beverly's point of view on various threads. The point is the *pattern* of behavior over a period of time, and the *intent* thereof. Explora's point on this issue is correct. Beverly's intent, as evinced from her behavior on this board, does NOT appear to be to express disagreement, or to put forth her point of view, or even to communicate to the large number of board visitors (tens of thousands each month) positions opposed to the pro-undocumented posters. Unfortunately, the only conclusion I can see is that the pattern of Beverly's behavior is intended to cause "mischief" to "drive" her opponents "nutty".†Ah well, by this, it became a totally different kind of ballgame. And I don’t think I need to say anything anymore.
The real issue I see is bigotry towards a descending minority view. Most posters have shown a personal hostility towards Beverly and in fairness she gave it back in equal measure. Olive branches, if offered, were quickly broken when opinions differed. The hostilities grew due to neither side backing down. The parental presence of a moderator would have stifled some of this early on. As is evidenced by what happened once Sam made his presence known.
>Bigotry towards a descending minority view? Hmm, whatever this means, it’s highly debatable. But what I’m thinking is that, this board was absolutely un-moderated since I joined early last year, or I can safely say even before then, and Sam’s hands-on involvement this January was provoked by the resulting ‘out roar’ on the heels of Beverly’s joining this forum.
In the ensuing days several have tried to twist ILW's arm with threats of leaving if their wishes weren't carried out.
>Which Sam acknowledged that he just ignored.
Others have retaliated by spamming threads or posting viscous personal insults. Common mischievous behavior when views are not in sync.
>The keyword is of course “retaliated,†but the “mischievous behavior when views are not in sync†statement is not very accurate. People on here post something, that gets a reaction, and another, that may either turn into a discussion or amiable exchanges, may sometimes also become a full-blown argumentation or debate, emotions are oftentimes injected, but when it comes to hot-button issues such as immigration and politics, more often than not, disagreements don’t always stay beautiful and sweet.
The purpose of this board in its present configuration is not restricted to assisting immigrants. This was clearly demonstrated by the posting of topics from chickens to politics over the last several months. None of which caused threats of a ban or restriction. And had little if anything to do with immigration.
The fact is many here are not capable of keeping their emotions in check. Personal slander is more common than anything.
>As previously pointed out by another poster, ‘for every action there is equal and opposite reaction,’ let me add that when it comes to discussion boards, the opposite reaction tends to be not so equal, but oftentimes even more. You cast a piece of stone, you’ll receive a piece of steel in return. Moral lesson? We can discuss, or disagree, even argue, to the extent of being ‘mischievous’ from time to time, but be disruptive? Don’t dare!
I would recommend a complete overhaul of the rules and the board.
The rules should reflect the true nature of ILW. If the purpose of ILW is to assist immigrants then the board should be a restricted extension of that function. Or left as a free for all. Then all participants should be made aware that they enter at their own risk. An extreme solution but the present membership seems unable to accept point counterpoint without turning it into a personal vendetta.
>I beg to disagree. The rules are in place on this forum. It redounds to just two basic tenets: “Please use common courtesy, and refrain from using foul language.†But in the grander scheme of things, in the complex immigration mess that we have in the world outside - which is an end result of government’s neglect and indifference of many, many years - yeah, the complete overhaul solution that you recommend may be relevant, if not at all of a very urgent necessity.
This was why I suggested a while back creating two arenas. One for question answers and the other for the melee.
It may not be necessary to create two sections on the same board.
An easier solution (software wise) is to create a second forum. Copy the core software you already have and re-name it. This would cut down on your work load since the moderation would be on the 1st board looking for posts that belong on the other.
>This is exclusively for Sam.
___________________________________________________________________ "The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life."
Actually RN, the entire post was exclusively for Sam.
I would like to add the following. Again, this is intended for Sam. This board I assume is more dead weight to ILW than anything. Which was part of the reason I offered the idea of simplifying things. I would imagine your efforts are not financially rewarded to any great extent playing disciplinarian.
However, that could easily change. There are a large number of visitors who probably need real legal help. If it were me I would emphasize the advertising of legal service and of course charge accordingly. Maintaining a police presence would become worthwhile. Even that can be contracted out since your per hour rate is probably higher than what a moderator would charge. There are many attorneys who would pay a hefty fee for access to this potential customer base. Not just immigration lawyers. With the number of other posts concerning divorce and so forth a diverse clientèle is ripe for the picking. Just a Republican idea.
You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
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That's why I originally steadfastedly ignored the repeated complaints from Beverly's opponents on this board that she was being disruptive by posting articles supporting Beverly's point of view on various threads. The point is the *pattern* of behavior over a period of time, and the *intent* thereof. Explora's point on this issue is correct. Beverly's intent, as evinced from her behavior on this board, does NOT appear to "be to express disagreement, or to put forth her point of view, or even to communicate to the large number of board visitors (tens of thousands each month) positions opposed to the pro-undocumented posters. Unfortunately, the only conclusion I can see is that the pattern of Beverly's behavior is intended to cause "mischief" to "drive" her opponents "nutty". This is the problem, since such behavior is fundamentally disruptive to the very existence of this community. As 4now puts it: "I would be very livid, no matter who it was trying to destroy this site." If Beverly disagrees with folks here, and posts her counter-arguments, I have no problem with that. That would show a fundamental respect for her opponents, in that she believes their points as worth refuting, thru news articles and such like. Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the case (though I originally did think it was). It appears that Beverly's intentions are to disrupt a board where there are posters whom she disagrees with. This I cannot allow. I see no choice but to ban Beverly from this board. However, as I have said many times before, and doubtless will many times again, I am human, and all humans can err. Hence my public posting of my reasoning above, and my invitation to all those who would seek to defend Beverly to please do so in this thread.
In request to answering you Sam
Well, I think Hudson put it best in his post that said this: on 2-21-2008
"Or are you going to rationalize what, how, when, where, and to what extent she has said, did, and posted even though she has done the same bloody thing that she has accused posters of doing likewise. We are beyond of who fired the first shot. Rules have to be obeyed by all parties using equally and fairly. If Beverly uses disparaging remarks, then Beverly faces the consequences irregardless of the intentions or responses. No points allowed because Beverly is on the right side of the law or on the left side of the law."
Rules have to be obeyed by all parties using equally and fairly.
Davdah's post in defense of Beverly in the situation .... I am also in agreement with his post on page 17 of this thread.
I have not seen any evidence of Beverly baiting other members to spam threads or make mischief unless it was in reaction to spam or mischeif coming from other members. This period of time I am speaking of since the original "blow ups" For the time period of December in question, it has been established that several members were guilty of misconduct in reaction to Beverly posting her articles.
I am asking you Sam for the evidence that led you to the conclusion that Beverly's intent on this forum is to disrupt it and cause people to go nutty?
Despite what members say... this is all about posting in a thread that was not started by the person. This is about personal dislike. (just take a look at the comments in this thread from members, its all about posting in somebodys thread etc. ) This is not about fair and unbiased... as I have pointed out in the example when another poster has spammed the same thread that Beverly has spammed, not one mention of the other person doing the same.. or when a poster such as WKnapp started spamming Beverly's thread, the "reaction" started to be used as an "excuse" to cry foul. This is not a worry about this board and scaring away members as some express their concerns.
Beverly did not handle the situation correctly when Wknapp started spamming the threads she was posting in. (BTW nobody said one word about and were delighted) it didnt stop and Bev then reacted. Then when another poster mike2007 started posting reaction by dumping articles/recipes unrelated to the thread articles, hence another reaction. IMO, She should have reported this to Sam and not reverted to spamming back the people that were spamming her. Again, not one word from the members bout the spamming by other members in IME thread, and those threads authored by Beverly.
Just pointing out the equally and fairly.
I believe that in beverly's post she pointed out the threads that contain the Spam from the members that precipitated this whole incident.
Wknapp posting receipes and baiting can only be perceived as "mischief" and disruption to that thread, the same as the rest of the disruptions with recipes and unrelated articles being dumped in threads by other members.
Sorry, it looks like, smells like, Lynch Mob for a better word if you dont like the witch hunt phrase. These mentalities are indicative of one person doing something ..its ok, while another doing the same exact thing.. it is not ok and lets lynch them. again. fairly and equally.
In the end it doesnt matter, as there will always be another Beverly come along, just as there was before her. Rember E and the same articles that were posted? for different reasons, but same type articles. They were deliberately listed to envoke responses from members about mexicans and illegals. So there will probably be more to come along. What will you do then?
I still strongly believe that the discussion board should be divided into two parts, because the article posting people bring to the board their articles . The questions are foremost important in my opinion and need to have priority. discussions are soemthing different that usually only end in someone over reacting or getting mad or sour.
This is your board Sam and you can run it as you please. None of us can tell you what to do, and we have to respect whatever decision comes down and abide by it.
But in the same time , why does any member here have to be baited and stalked with childish jibberish such as tactics that member explora use ??? In this thread no less than 12 posts were used to try to bait me and accuse me of having a love affair with Beverly/ and or have the negative comments made about you when you did not return in 48 hours. thank god for the ignore feature and 4me knowing how to handle such juvenile behaviors. Then will come back and cry reaction. She gets no reaction from me and nonsense stops. This is what all should have done with Beverly, dont react and there will be no reaction back. SOM and SO12 may get a reaction, but it stops from the members, and it is not pursued.... therefore it eventually ends until the next episode by something that they will write or answer. This has not been the case with poster Beverly, The bait or trap is set by a member and she has fallen for it with her reaction.
But dont you think that you should implement some rules regarding this type of incessant stalking type behavior, and she is not the only one, as i saw at least 2 other members doing the same, however it was not at me. I dont understand why we all cannot just be adults here and act accordingly.
Equally and fairly... those that are equally guilty of disruptions and spam stand up and fairly take your share of responsibilty in this matter. But then again, that was the point, to drive Beverly nutty with mischief to react in the way that she did
Its not that hard people. it is called tolerance of one another and respect. This should solve some of the problems along with some new rules and ones that put an end to racist names being used on the board.
How come when Bev and her illegal threads are not spread across the board, is there a huge amount of new members and members posting a lot more questions? Maybe there were one or two hoaxes but have you not noticed when she was not here or not ***ping her threads up, there were and are a lot more members coming here or coming back posting?
This is what ILW is about and having an approachable look instead of a anti feel about the place. Yes there are still 2 morons on here that like to attack new members still, but have calmed down lately, and hopefully will do less since this site is being moderated now.
It is not just about who posted spam in her thread who her in others, it is about other issues too. She intended to bring over trouble, and she not only posted links to here from Alicrap she also posted it in another claiming this is a site for pro-illegals. She didn't invite them at that time but she did make it aware to them as she knew their feelings on the matter. How do you like being called a Pro-illegal 4now and Davdah?
Have you not seen a difference on here without her anti threads being always on top lately?e
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God Bless America - God Bless Immigrants - God Bless Poor Misguided Souls Too Mr S.U.
Rember E and the same articles that were posted? for different reasons, but same type articles. They were deliberately listed to envoke responses from members about mexicans and illegals.
Nope. 4now, you sure have a short memory. E was pro immigrant, illegal or legal. He was not anti-immigrant by any means, and he never dumped any articles of the kind Beverly did. I've always had meaningful exchanges with him, even though we disagreed on some issues.
As for the rest of your post 4now, it's a complete mumbo jumbo that doesn't make sense.
Admit it, you needy Beverly here for controversy and to support your weak side of the immigration issue. You need a bully because that makes you look stronger. Without her you, davdah and hudson are just tiny little weanies, without a backbone. You're all p...y-whipped and you like it. Lmao.
Posted 05-19-2006 09:49 AM Hide Post hmmm .. did you ever talk to yourself and then scare yourself by anwering yourself back i hate when that happens EPerson
It was your first post to me on this forum, a day after I registered. You even thought I was E. Hmm, so much for your judgement skills.
Comment to 4now's post 4:50 p.m. this date/thread.
4now I scanned your post. Too dull and boring and the same 'ol same 'ol so I scanned it.
So what I asked if you and that Beverly had a thing goin' on? So what? I asked you as close to your face as I could possibly get and not behind your back. You said I had a memory problem as close to my face as it could get. So what? I answered back to that.
The 48 hour thing to Sam was in fun. It was for Sam, not you, so don't worry about it okay? What you might worry about is your waste-of-space quotes that you've posted in one o his threads. Even you yourself can't show respect (just like your cohort!) It must be rubbing off on your from her.
It finally appears you've learned to use the word "reaction." I hope in time you obtain a better comprehension of it because as "of now" it's painfully obvious that you DON'T.
As I've said before most of the time the things you say don't make sense.
It's less eye-straining to see less of the color in your posts. It was like peering through a kaleidoscope before!
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Originally posted by davdah: Actually RN, the entire post was exclusively for Sam. ...
Ah yeah, that was why I started my post with this, ">I’m not Sam but please allow me to react."
If Sam would respond to you in the future (or had he responded sooner than I did, he might have just ignored whatever I said), "it had no affect..." I mean... effect on what he has or had to say.
Anyway, all in all, I just reacted - not responded to your post. Lest you forgot, privilage... I mean, privilege isn't always given, sometimes it has to be taken.
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Originally posted by iperson: ... As for the rest of your post 4now, it's a complete mumbo jumbo that doesn't make sense. ...
Uhu! Uhu! Uhu!
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Originally posted by explora: ... As I've said before most of the time the things you say don't make sense.
It's less eye-straining to see less of the color in your posts. It was like peering through a kaleidoscope before!
Ahem! Ahem! Ahemmmm! Change of weather... causes terrible soar throat...
___________________________________________________________________ "The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life."
I did mean affect. A common error but I know the difference. I still say privilege is granted, never taken. If it is taken then its truly not deserved.
What it all comes down to is a lack of tolerance from the left, as usual. Beverly was by no means an angel and she could have been more diplomatic in her responses. But the torch bearers were by no means innocent either. For those that claim enlightenment this bore out the truth of that self proclamation. SOM had it right. This is a mob that needs that sort of control. I think ILW should overhaul this site and make it more of a profit center than a chat room. It is of no value to them as it is.
You voted democrat. This country is not worth sneaking into any more.
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It's less eye-straining to see less of the color in your posts. It was like peering through a kaleidoscope before!
Lol explora. Btw, I was wondering where your article threads are gone? Have you abandoned doing the press marathon on Mexican Exploitation topic? Beverly's gone now, so you've got this forum all to yourself.
It's possible as soon as an article is posted that a disembodied thing 'hand' as on the Adams Family will rise up through the forum, through the article and at me through the computer screen. The 'hand' of Bev-r-ly! Aaaaahhhhh!!!!!
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and were delighted) it didnt stop and Bev then reacted. Then when another poster mike2007 started posting reaction by dumping articles/recipes unrelated to the thread articles, hence another reaction. IMO, She should have reported this to Sam and not reverted to spamming back the people that were spamming her. Again, not one word from the members bout the spamming by other members in IME thread, and those threads authored by Beverly. 
and or have the negative comments made about you when you did not return in 48 hours. thank god for the ignore feature and 4me knowing how to handle such juvenile behaviors. Then will come back and cry reaction. She gets no reaction from me and nonsense stops. This is what all should have done with Beverly, dont react and there will be no reaction back. SOM and SO12 may get a reaction, but it stops from the members, and it is not pursued.... therefore it eventually ends until the next episode by something that they will write or answer. This has not been the case with poster Beverly, The bait or trap is set by a member and she has fallen for it with her reaction.
