Originally posted by ProudUSC: I had to read this article twice to make sure I understood it. I can't believe they are trying to deport these folks on a mistake made almost 30 years ago! They're upstanding people, have a family - why are they concentrating their efforts here when they should be going after the ones who are committing crimes?????
This Is the problem! Good people That try are the ones That lose! Our System is bad! Some from Afar Bad Also, however They Get To stay When the Ones that tried Lose!
i Contributed to My filipino friends By Warning them That If you Lie, or try and cheat The system it Could be 20 or more years when it eventually catches Up. nothing is instant here.
Did The servanos lie in The beginning? 30 years ago. Conceal Anything?
I'm asking a question, because I Hate To see The good Ones Punished for Following The Rules. Did They???
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Originally posted by iperson: S12, the family paid more taxes to the US government than you ever will in your entire measly unemployed *** life.
PUSC, thanks for posting the article. Here's the clash between the letter of the law and its intentions. The judge who ruled no good moral character was found in the man, should be fired and not allowed to go back to his job. He is the one who committed fraud.
Iperson maam, I Only Speak from what i Have seen/heard and Experienced. Many Status seekers Pay Taxes Here for the Sole Purpose Of looking good to the System! In Hopes That It Will Make a Difference Later. Hidden Agenda and selfish Outcome from Paying Taxes.
Originally posted by davdah: There must be something we're not being told. There are people convicted of crimes who are not deported. An upstanding doctor and nurse are being sent back? A piece of the puzzle has been left out. Probably something very damming. I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the support bandwagon based on a news report.
Davdah,
Yes. What is missing here???? I Ask only because I Live In an Area, acquaintances etc. Where I Know Is A Fact about deceiving Our System Here For personal Gain.
If Anyone Finds Out more Information About This, PLEASE Post It. I Really want To Know. Servanos Good? Or Did They Cheat? It Matters!
Did you read the article??? It does explain the Servanos' situation. Their parents filed for them as unmarried and they married before their petitions were granted. So, it was a technicality problem. They weren't trying to lie, cheat or defraud. Her father did not want them to spend so much time together without the benefit of marriage. So, yes in the eyes of USCIS, they lied - but not intentionally.
My guess is they will be granted special permission to remain in our country at some point.
Dcw, I understand your sentiments when you wrote your 'signature statement,' but it doesn't sit very well vis–à–vis the American immigration setting. Yes, indeed, it's easy and convenient to generalize and stereotype varied and diversified human situations, but look, each time it's done, it ends up failing. Because when you deal with humans, rational as they are, locking them up between black and white 'boxes' just tends to magnify further the gray. The government knows that, hence, there are amnesties, waivers, reliefs, due process/equal protection principles, and the likes. People came, they still do, and will continue to do so, yeah, in whatever way. That's because America is America - a nation of immigrants. This phenomenon will never change - it's how we look at it that always does. Being so, accordingly, our thoughts and deeds should be geared 'not' to work against this truism, but around it or along with it.
________________________________________________________________ "The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life."
Originally posted by dcwtech: See RN, Your Thinking Is Comparable To my Own! Crazy, Loony, But True!
I Merely seek Information and Answers Because I Don't Know Everything!
As Crazy as My Words Are To You, so Are Yours To ME! I feel I Need That Super, Secret, Decoder Watch Thingy! To Understand!
Oops! I'll take the third sentence as a compliment, the second as a complaint, and the first as an insult.
________________________________________________________________ "The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life."
they lied. to understand. they say they not married but they take shortcut and got caught. justice is slow but justice prevails. i know everything ! as crazy is as crazy does only the craziest wins !! God bless America and its slow justice system ! Slow justice better than no justice !!!
Obey our rules or face the inevitable sword of American justice !!!
You would know all about that wouldn't you Micahelsicko
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God Bless America - God Bless Immigrants - God Bless Poor Misguided Souls Too Mr S.U.
Originally posted by dcwtech: See RN, Your Thinking Is Comparable To my Own! Crazy, Loony, But True!
I Merely seek Information and Answers Because I Don't Know Everything!
As Crazy as My Words Are To You, so Are Yours To ME! I feel I Need That Super, Secret, Decoder Watch Thingy! To Understand!
Oops! I'll take the third sentence as a compliment, the second as a complaint, and the first as an insult.
LOL! Hey RN, Im Sorry To Inform You Of This, But The First Part Just tells Me You Are Truly Human By Todays Standards! You Aint Human In 2008 If You Aint Some Kind Of Crazy!
Originally posted by davdah: There must be something we're not being told. There are people convicted of crimes who are not deported. An upstanding doctor and nurse are being sent back? A piece of the puzzle has been left out. Probably something very damming. I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the support bandwagon based on a news report.
DC QUOTE:
If Anyone Finds Out more Information About This, PLEASE Post It. I Really want To Know. Servanos Good? Or Did They Cheat? It Matters!
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Proud qUOTE:
Hi DC,
Did you read the article??? It does explain the Servanos' situation. Their parents filed for them as unmarried and they married before their petitions were granted. So, it was a technicality problem. They weren't trying to lie, cheat or defraud. Her father did not want them to spend so much time together without the benefit of marriage. So, yes in the eyes of USCIS, they lied - but not intentionally.
My guess is they will be granted special permission to remain in our country at some point.
Hi Tech
You will find the most useful reading on this situation of the Servanos on pages 3 and 4 of this thread.
This case has been going on for years and each time they have been found to be guilty in the eyes of the court for visa fraud. Immigration judges simply did not believe their story. and if you are familiar with immigration process in this scenario you would not either. They lied. It was not a mistake, visa fraud pure and simple.
they should be deported to uphold the system. Not reward for committing fraud. Their children are old enough now to petition for their parents to come. Let the legal system work and do its job.
If they didnt get greedy to go for the citizenship, they would have been ok, and the fraud would have not been discovered .
No sympathy here about what they did. Stop rewarding liars and cheaters.
No sympathy here about what they did. Stop rewarding liars and cheaters.
100% agree!
my question is... didn't you gave one of the OP here, who used an uncle passport intentionally to enter the US an advice to file a waiver? which you called misrepresentation and not Fraud?
If they didnt get greedy to go for the citizenship, they would have been ok, and the fraud would have not been discovered .
No sympathy here about what they did. Stop rewarding liars and cheaters.
Based on how confusing our immigration laws are, I'm not sure they intended to defraud the US government to begin with. I still contend they didn't really know what it meant when they married prior to their petitions being approved. Oh well, that's just me. Always pulling for the underdog - lol!
In any case, if their case is denied, hopefully their kids will be able to rectify their status.
No sympathy here about what they did. Stop rewarding liars and cheaters.
100% agree!
my question is... didn't you gave one of the OP here, who used an uncle passport intentionally to enter the US an advice to file a waiver? which you called misrepresentation and not Fraud?
Haha! Beats me.
________________________________________________________________ "The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life."
Originally posted by davdah: There must be something we're not being told. There are people convicted of crimes who are not deported. An upstanding doctor and nurse are being sent back? A piece of the puzzle has been left out. Probably something very damming. I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the support bandwagon based on a news report.
DC QUOTE:
If Anyone Finds Out more Information About This, PLEASE Post It. I Really want To Know. Servanos Good? Or Did They Cheat? It Matters!
quote:
Proud qUOTE:
Hi DC,
Did you read the article??? It does explain the Servanos' situation. Their parents filed for them as unmarried and they married before their petitions were granted. So, it was a technicality problem. They weren't trying to lie, cheat or defraud. Her father did not want them to spend so much time together without the benefit of marriage. So, yes in the eyes of USCIS, they lied - but not intentionally.
My guess is they will be granted special permission to remain in our country at some point.
Hi Tech
You will find the most useful reading on this situation of the Servanos on pages 3 and 4 of this thread.
This case has been going on for years and each time they have been found to be guilty in the eyes of the court for visa fraud. Immigration judges simply did not believe their story. and if you are familiar with immigration process in this scenario you would not either. They lied. It was not a mistake, visa fraud pure and simple.
they should be deported to uphold the system. Not reward for committing fraud. Their children are old enough now to petition for their parents to come. Let the legal system work and do its job.
If they didnt get greedy to go for the citizenship, they would have been ok, and the fraud would have not been discovered .
No sympathy here about what they did. Stop rewarding liars and cheaters.
4Now, I hope the children can Overcome the obstacles Left To them. I Beg My immigrant Friends To follow The Rules. Our system So very messed Up! But eventually It catches Up! I Thought The name sounded familiar. Read Something a Year ago.
I Get Sad That Some Get So Greedy That It Affects So Many Others Lives In The end! i Know Many That Try To deceive the system "not Just My Own Personal experience" Others Also. I Wish They Could Understand deceit isn't necessary For a good life here! Just seems to be built into some Thinking!
Originally posted by davdah: There must be something we're not being told. There are people convicted of crimes who are not deported. An upstanding doctor and nurse are being sent back? A piece of the puzzle has been left out. Probably something very damming. I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the support bandwagon based on a news report.
DC QUOTE:
If Anyone Finds Out more Information About This, PLEASE Post It. I Really want To Know. Servanos Good? Or Did They Cheat? It Matters!
quote:
Proud qUOTE:
Hi DC,
Did you read the article??? It does explain the Servanos' situation. Their parents filed for them as unmarried and they married before their petitions were granted. So, it was a technicality problem. They weren't trying to lie, cheat or defraud. Her father did not want them to spend so much time together without the benefit of marriage. So, yes in the eyes of USCIS, they lied - but not intentionally.
My guess is they will be granted special permission to remain in our country at some point.
Hi Tech
You will find the most useful reading on this situation of the Servanos on pages 3 and 4 of this thread.
This case has been going on for years and each time they have been found to be guilty in the eyes of the court for visa fraud. Immigration judges simply did not believe their story. and if you are familiar with immigration process in this scenario you would not either. They lied. It was not a mistake, visa fraud pure and simple.
they should be deported to uphold the system. Not reward for committing fraud. Their children are old enough now to petition for their parents to come. Let the legal system work and do its job.
If they didnt get greedy to go for the citizenship, they would have been ok, and the fraud would have not been discovered .
No sympathy here about what they did. Stop rewarding liars and cheaters.
I'm Not so immigration Rules savvy. I learn From those here! though because Of my connections and Past Disappointments Ive Learned Allot In The past 3 Years. keep feeding Me thanks ALL!
Here's yet another immigration crossword puzzle that defies fundamental logic. Once again, USCIS apologists, anyone? - RN
Immigration technicality snares refugee
STUDENT FEARS HE COULD BE KILLED AS CHRISTIAN IF SENT BACK TO SUDAN
By Andy Mead AMEAD@HERALD-LEADER.COM
"The government's reason for denying Nakwa's green card request seems, on its face, to defy logic: In 1992, when he was 12, Nakwa and an older brother were kidnapped by a rebel group called the Sudanese People's Liberation Army. His father, a chief, had taken the family into the mountains of Eastern Sudan to hide from warring factions. The soldiers descended on a Catholic prayer service one Sunday and rounded up all boys 12 and older. A boy who tried to escape was shot and killed. Nakwa never saw his parents again, but learned his father eventually was killed by rebels. He and his brother were held for a nightmarish month at an SPLA training camp. There, they were forced to gather firewood for cooking, while subsisting on a daily cup of boiled maize. On a firewood mission one day, they escaped, making it to a refugee camp in Kenya. The government says its records show he was "forced to attend" the camp. But, because the SPLA now is listed as a terrorist group, and because Nakwa was deemed to have received "military-type training there," his application was denied with no option for appeal. If he had anything resembling military training during his brief time in the camp, Nakwa said, it was carrying a stick, never a gun." Herald-Leader, Apr. 13, 2008."
________________________________________________________________ "The letter of the law is a sword that killeth; its intent is a spirit that giveth life."
these two visa cheats knew exactly what lies they told a long time ago...after all, the petition and other papers they had to sign asks about marital status....they had to check a box and sign and swear as to the true nature of ALL information on the documents....and they lied and now they think they are exempt from our rules....sorry...I say no way....these two scamsters leapfrogged ahead of hundreds if not thousands of honest, truthful immigrants, to begin their stolen careers with a huge head start compared to many others...and now...tears and pleadings of innocence, etc....too late for that....deport their sorry behinds and let 'em start over, just like they should have.
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